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    Completed The #1 reason towns succeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Schweppes (#2100)
    Just sheep Sloonei
    The #1 reason towns succeed.
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    Completed The #1 reason towns fail is lack of gumption.

    The #1 reason towns fail is lack of gumption.
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    Completed Falcon is uber town.

    Quote Originally Posted by falcon45ca (#2093)
    You guys are gonna make me puke all over my shoes



    You get a TR, & you get a TR, & you get a TR!


    Falcon is uber town.
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    Completed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqC8mVHVZIA ...



    ##Vote TheFloyd73

    I'm about to be gone for the rest of the phase. Please do not let anyone abstain from casting meaningful votes.

    Good work today, I think, even if we haven't arrived at the correct conclusion. It has felt productive.
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    Completed A little. But I've got my eye on the long game.

    Quote Originally Posted by JaggedJimmyJay (#2073)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1887)
    I am in no hurry to resolve anything, if that wasn't clear. The game is moving along at a good pace without me going into overdrive. If I were to attempt overdrive in this game, it would come at the detriment of my quality of life in The Real World. So I do not intend to do that. But I want to participate in this game, so I am approaching it in a different way than usual. I am trying to help others solve things, rather than be the one who does the solving. In my own way.
    Do you get the impression that you are successful in helping others solve things? This question is not intended as snark.
    A little. But I've got my eye on the long game.
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    Completed I felt like superjack looked good in our exchange...

    Quote Originally Posted by Made (#2068)
    ##Vote SuperJack

    what about them?
    I felt like superjack looked good in our exchange earlier, but then I noticed they had had the exact same exchange with someone else (alexa?) earlier, so I have to question whether or not they're just repeating the same play from their mafia playbook.
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    Completed SPF is a player I have no reason to confidently...

    SPF is a player I have no reason to confidently call a town-read, but she is also not someone who I have an explicit reason to suspect.

    I do not care about resolving her today. She is going to become easier to read as the game unfolds.
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    Completed Arguments to vote for floyd: Australian.

    Arguments to vote for floyd:
    Australian.
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    Completed Floyd is also australian, so his time zone is out...

    Floyd is also australian, so his time zone is out of whack with the rest of ours. Idk when his periods of activity have been or how long he’s been absent for.
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    Completed The day is middle aged.

    [BOX][/BOX]
    Quote Originally Posted by Made (#2030)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#2028)
    Quote Originally Posted by Made (#2027)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#2012)
    In fact I’m going to voice my concern more pointedly here: it seems that the bulk of our suspicion during this phase has been directed at the RYM players who have not played mafia much or at all in the last few years. I think this point needs to be taken into consideration. RYM was a bit of a quirky community in its day, and now these players are being thrust into a more modern version of the game in an unfamiliar setting. That is going to cause some confusion.
    RT
    ##Vote staypositivefriend
    im sorry, what? how does that post from sloonei translate into a vote on me?
    I feel like I have more reason to town read sloonei than I do you now. The day is young tho. How viewing Flyod as an old school player effect your read on their slot?
    The day is middle aged.
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    Completed Oh right, saddy is rym too.

    Oh right, saddy is rym too.
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    Completed I am not uncomfortable with this statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#2020)
    This game has been a lot of forming a PoE and then realizing a lot of people in it are likely town and thinking what now
    It's been a nice grounding/centralizing/whatever thing to actually be able to say that Floyd's probably a wolf
    I am not uncomfortable with this statement.
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    Completed vaac more so than floyd and dwarf. Choutas and...

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#2016)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#2012)
    In fact I’m going to voice my concern more pointedly here: it seems that the bulk of our suspicion during this phase has been directed at the RYM players who have not played mafia much or at all in the last few years. I think this point needs to be taken into consideration. RYM was a bit of a quirky community in its day, and now these players are being thrust into a more modern version of the game in an unfamiliar setting. That is going to cause some confusion.
    i dont disagree with this observation, but i also feel it's an observation that calls for specific names. are there any players here that you feel have perhaps been unjustly targeted due to their unfamiliarity with this environment, or is it just a general ~threadstate~ read?
    vaac more so than floyd and dwarf.

    Choutas and soda don’t seem to be heavy suspects. Those five are the only remaining RYMers-returning-from-hiatus, unless I’m mistaken about anyone’s identity.
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    Completed Alright good. I am only reading what’s in...

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#2014)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#2012)
    In fact I’m going to voice my concern more pointedly here: it seems that the bulk of our suspicion during this phase has been directed at the RYM players who have not played mafia much or at all in the last few years. I think this point needs to be taken into consideration. RYM was a bit of a quirky community in its day, and now these players are being thrust into a more modern version of the game in an unfamiliar setting. That is going to cause some confusion.
    This has been a point of discussion
    Alright good.

    I am only reading what’s in front of me.
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    Completed Counterpoint to my own concern: poe says many...

    Counterpoint to my own concern: poe says many other folks are town.
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    Completed In fact I’m going to voice my concern more...

    In fact I’m going to voice my concern more pointedly here: it seems that the bulk of our suspicion during this phase has been directed at the RYM players who have not played mafia much or at all in the last few years. I think this point needs to be taken into consideration. RYM was a bit of a quirky community in its day, and now these players are being thrust into a more modern version of the game in an unfamiliar setting. That is going to cause some confusion.
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    Completed These are all old school RYMers.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#2008)
    Iron_Dwarf
    TheFloyd73
    vaac

    ...is where my townreads are weakest
    These are all old school RYMers.
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    Completed There should he a “bangers and mash” joke in here...

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#2006)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1921)
    *throws potatoes at staypositivefriend*
    cant believe that i missed this banger of a post
    There should he a “bangers and mash” joke in here somewhere
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    Completed Superjack would be the most tentative name on...

    Superjack would be the most tentative name on that list.
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    Completed I’ve been trying to express whatever reads I have...

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1995)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1992)
    ##Unvote Iron_Dwarf

    Will most likely end up on floyd obligatorily.

    I will be absent at the deadline.
    do you have any reads/gut feelings about players that you haven't already shared? they dont have to have reasoning behind them - im just curious how youre perceiving this game
    I’ve been trying to express whatever reads I have when they come to me. But to refresh:
    Alexa town
    C4 town
    Jay town
    Made town
    Neopest town
    Nutella town
    Superjack town
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    Completed Iron_Dwarf Will most likely end up on floyd...

    ##Unvote Iron_Dwarf

    Will most likely end up on floyd obligatorily.

    I will be absent at the deadline.
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    Completed I think I like this post, but I would need to see...

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron_Dwarf (#1986)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1969)
    Quote Originally Posted by Iron_Dwarf (#1965)
    Not feeling confident about my focus on Sloonei atm.

    ##Unvote
    what changed?
    Although I still think that you haven't done a lot of constructive things, the fact that I don't have a good argument why you're definitely scum makes me unvote.
    I think I like this post, but I would need to see more.
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    Completed Oh kay

    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#1974)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1971)
    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#1968)
    anyways, i guess ill shoot him if that's what you want. doesn't seem super helpful tho.
    I don’t want vaac to be shot for sentimental reasons
    the gun doesn't kill
    Oh kay
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    Completed I don’t want vaac to be shot for sentimental...

    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#1968)
    anyways, i guess ill shoot him if that's what you want. doesn't seem super helpful tho.
    I don’t want vaac to be shot for sentimental reasons
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    Completed what changed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron_Dwarf (#1965)
    Not feeling confident about my focus on Sloonei atm.

    ##Unvote
    what changed?
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    Completed Provide me with names and I will choose.

    Provide me with names and I will choose.
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    Completed I have missed out on the specifics of this gun. I...

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1938)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1935)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1933)
    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#1930)
    aight who am i shooting
    Shoot someone who is a strong player. But you don't feel satisfied giving a town reading.

    That way, if scum, scum lose a powerful player from the chat and won't have as much guidance.
    But what if that player is town?
    Then it won't effect them because it's a extra chat removal gun I think.
    I have missed out on the specifics of this gun. I assumed it was just a regular "shoot to kill" gun.
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    Completed But what if that player is town?

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1933)
    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#1930)
    aight who am i shooting
    Shoot someone who is a strong player. But you don't feel satisfied giving a town reading.

    That way, if scum, scum lose a powerful player from the chat and won't have as much guidance.
    But what if that player is town?
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    Completed nutella town

    nutella town
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    Completed superjack town

    superjack town
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    Completed Fair.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1911)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1908)
    @SuperJack why did you want to fight me? Did you have concerns before you "challenged" me, or is the entire basis of your concern about me that I "refused to engage" with your challenge or whatever you said?
    I'm lazy and couldn't be bothered reading your iso to get a read on you as requested by JJJ. So I forced an engagement in hoping I can find some tell on you.
    Fair.
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    Completed SuperJack why did you want to fight me? Did you...

    @SuperJack why did you want to fight me? Did you have concerns before you "challenged" me, or is the entire basis of your concern about me that I "refused to engage" with your challenge or whatever you said?
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    Completed You are still misreading me, but at least you've...

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1902)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1887)
    I am in no hurry to resolve anything, if that wasn't clear. The game is moving along at a good pace without me going into overdrive. If I were to attempt overdrive in this game, it would come at the detriment of my quality of life in The Real World. So I do not intend to do that. But I want to participate in this game, so I am approaching it in a different way than usual. I am trying to help others solve things, rather than be the one who does the solving. In my own way.
    Ok. I'm gonna read you as town for this. Because no scum would sink their ethics so low and make up this as an excuse not to engage normally and avoid conflict.
    You are still misreading me, but at least you've got my alignment right.
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    Completed He already said never mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa (#1896)
    Quote Originally Posted by JaggedJimmyJay (#1636)
    I *might* might might have just found a reason to call Sloonei town. Maybe. Will share soon.
    promising
    He already said never mind.
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    Completed See my most recent post.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1888)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1882)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1878)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1877)
    You implored me to fight you and I declined, and that was the end of the exchange.
    You don't care about my slot. That's is the message you gave me.
    I am in no hurry to resolve you. I am perfectly willing to address any concerns you have about me.
    What the issue with resolving my slot now? I'm here, you're here. Why wait? Why make no attempt? You've waste more time and effot by not even trying.
    See my most recent post.
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    Completed I am in no hurry to resolve anything, if that...

    I am in no hurry to resolve anything, if that wasn't clear. The game is moving along at a good pace without me going into overdrive. If I were to attempt overdrive in this game, it would come at the detriment of my quality of life in The Real World. So I do not intend to do that. But I want to participate in this game, so I am approaching it in a different way than usual. I am trying to help others solve things, rather than be the one who does the solving. In my own way.
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    Completed I am in no hurry to resolve you. I am perfectly...

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1878)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1877)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1871)
    Sloonei - Refuses to cooperate
    You implored me to fight you and I declined, and that was the end of the exchange.
    You don't care about my slot. That's is the message you gave me.
    I am in no hurry to resolve you. I am perfectly willing to address any concerns you have about me.
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    Completed You implored me to fight you and I declined, and...

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1871)
    Sloonei - Refuses to cooperate
    You implored me to fight you and I declined, and that was the end of the exchange.
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    Completed hypocrisy is a staple blah blah blah

    Quote Originally Posted by saddy (#1863)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1855)
    ##Vote alexa
    you are the doing the same thing you accused me of yesterday
    hypocrisy is a staple blah blah blah
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    Completed Here comes modbot again

    Here comes modbot again
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    Completed Hey that's what I just said, except I was...

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa (#1852)
    mine is game-state reasons as they're effectively null outside of that
    they've just been kinda sitting there at top-wagon while no one has actually cased them
    Hey that's what I just said, except I was pointing it out as a challenge to my voters rather than to question the game state.
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    Completed If u were wot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Schweppes (#1849)
    If I were IAWY I would be screaming about how threadstate implies Sloonei is not a hit.
    If u were wot?
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    Completed Any reason is a good reason if it’s the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa (#1844)
    honey town
    made's still town

    Sloonei may be town for a really bad reason.
    Any reason is a good reason if it’s the truth.
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    Completed Ah, I see. Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1834)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1825)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1823)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1822)
    Naw
    I see. What the reason you fear me?
    I do not fear you. I just have no incentive to “fight you.” It would be silly and a detriment to the thread.
    I see, you fear confrontation not just me. *Scribbles notes* also the fact you don't care to deeply engage me shows you have no interest in working out my alignment *scribbles more notes * and thats a scum trait.
    Ah, I see.

    Nope.
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    Completed That does not sound like Jay was arguing that I...

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#1837)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1831)
    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#1830)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1829)
    To this point I have seen no articulation of an argument for me to be *mafia-aligned.* I have seen arguments for why I belong in the POE pool and why it can’t be argued that I must be town. Those are all fine and agreeable arguments. But none of them come with a reason why I must be mafia either. I have been acknowledged as a blindspot in the game.

    So why have I been a leading wagon all day?
    There have been arguments that you are mafia-aligned

    spf made arguments
    Jay made an argument, even if he doesn't put weight in it right now
    Those do not count because I have not seen them. And also neither of them are voting for me.
    spf's were that one of your posts pinged her and your Wiz vote was bad
    (I agree with the second)

    Jay's was that you usually clear yourself as town and you haven't
    That does not sound like Jay was arguing that I must be mafia.

    I don’t care about either of these points anyway. Neither of them are voting for me today.
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    Completed Let me rephrase: I have not seen Made, Floyd,...

    Let me rephrase: I have not seen Made, Floyd, Iron Dwarf, or Superjack articulate any arguments why I must be mafia.

    I have seen nutella, spf, and Jay articulate arguments why I fit in the POE, but not why I am mafia.

    I have seen vaac make an argument why I am mafia, but it was based on a total misunderstanding of my first post which he… has for some reason not abandoned.
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    Completed Those do not count because I have not seen them....

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#1830)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1829)
    To this point I have seen no articulation of an argument for me to be *mafia-aligned.* I have seen arguments for why I belong in the POE pool and why it can’t be argued that I must be town. Those are all fine and agreeable arguments. But none of them come with a reason why I must be mafia either. I have been acknowledged as a blindspot in the game.

    So why have I been a leading wagon all day?
    There have been arguments that you are mafia-aligned

    spf made arguments
    Jay made an argument, even if he doesn't put weight in it right now
    Those do not count because I have not seen them. And also neither of them are voting for me.
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    Completed To this point I have seen no articulation of an...

    To this point I have seen no articulation of an argument for me to be *mafia-aligned.* I have seen arguments for why I belong in the POE pool and why it can’t be argued that I must be town. Those are all fine and agreeable arguments. But none of them come with a reason why I must be mafia either. I have been acknowledged as a blindspot in the game.

    So why have I been a leading wagon all day?
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    Completed I do not fear you. I just have no incentive to...

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1823)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloonei (#1822)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1819)
    @Sloonei

    Fight me
    Naw
    I see. What the reason you fear me?
    I do not fear you. I just have no incentive to “fight you.” It would be silly and a detriment to the thread.
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    Completed Naw

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack (#1819)
    @Sloonei

    Fight me
    Naw
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