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    Walrus Sick

  2. Completed Huge congrats to Clouds! A very deserving...

    Huge congrats to Clouds! A very deserving champion, you kicked $%#! in that finale. Was clear town from the get go and pushed the right people. Kept a healthy threadstate and acted as a captain without forcing your way there.

    And an absolutely deserved Top 7. These were exactly all the people I voted for a d my #1 got the right spot. Such a pleasure to play with y'all, and while I still wish my play had. Even stronger, I'm glad we were able to bring it together for a sweep either way. And commiserations and respect to the wolves. Don't let these results be a reflection of your true skill. We've seen all of you town and wolf with the best of them.

    This is probably my last champs tbh, so I'm happy to have ended it on this game. Congrats again to Clouds, the champion of all mafia in the universe!
  3. Completed I also want to extend thanks to Lissa and...

    I also want to extend thanks to @Lissa and @Arapocalypse and all who help out organizing Champs. You two do so much to keep this $%#! running and I feel like you don't get enough recognition for it. Thanks for all that you do and being the wonderful people you are.
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    Why can't I see bats

    Why can't I see bats
  5. Completed I sometimes forget that I started in Season 4

    I sometimes forget that I started in Season 4
  6. Completed April, I hope we get a chance to play again! I...

    April, I hope we get a chance to play again! I really liked your energy and felt like you would have been fun to solve with had I been able to be around more on D2.
  7. Walrus Are we doing cat 6 tomorrow?

    Are we doing cat 6 tomorrow?
  8. Completed Fr, who do I even vote. I have my #1 but this...

    Fr, who do I even vote. I have my #1 but this was such a team effort with wolves that played great considering the circumstances and I'm like no matter what, I'm gonna be excluding someone who deserves the love.
  9. Completed For what it's worth, I didn't see your play as...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3755)
    Some thoughts

    Wow what a game tbh!

    (I was tempted to end it here to meme about writing longer post-game posts but lmao no)

    Whatever people believe when they read this, whatever they believe after this, this was my last Championship game. It is over, finito. The End tbh. So allow me to review my game and gameplan, for one last time.

    This is by far one of my least flashiest games. That was sorta intentional. As some of you know, I have played in 2 other finales, both as town. Both games ended in humilating defeats and I was so sooooo close to touch greatness and save the games. Especially S8 Finale. Perhaps if I had actually voted Alexa there in that F5, I could've lead town to win and perhaps I'd even be crowned.

    I, I, I, I.
    When reviewing my two finales, that was the common denominator. For me, for the whole town, why we ultimately lost it all. Too many cooks in one soup. Too many egos. Everyone rushing to Find The Solve. I remember how I was stressed in S8 D1 and D2 because I felt other people were getting ahead with cases, and players in general did not listen to each other. That was the downfall of those towns, with the help of very skilled scum games. Scum smells weakness and abuses it.

    I was therefore determined to use all my experience and skill on what I am actually good at, especially in early game - thread health. I made sure to not shut down any discussion about people I town read, just add my own reads. When I got sure that i.e. Ricardo was town, and April in eod, I made sure to defend them. Made sure to work to preserve the thread health and have a good atmosphere. GH's last advice to me pre-rand was "enjoy it, and no matter what, just vibe out". And that is what I set out to do. I think I succeeded in that.

    So sure, I scum read Eva wrongly, I ultimately reversed my BK read but chose to vote her still. But I dont think I did it in an overbearing way and I did not try to like take control of the yeet. Just let it flow. I enjoyed that eod quite a lot, and D1 as a whole. It was very fun and easy to work with the other town in this game. Every single town member did a great job at projecting themselves as town. For some I was a bit bullheaded for a while, and with some I just wanted to push to get a clearer read, decrease the poe. Overall I town cleared the whole town, I sussed BK because one of his micro posts; I sussed Justin by seeing a great point made town teammate @Stick and didnt let his responses sway me. I misread Eva, Psycho, Ultra and some others, but eventually walked them back. That feels good tbh

    So as I entered the game, I realised that my chosen approach wouldn't really give me any personal numbers. It isn't flashy. It isnt decisive with the reads. But I think that sort of play helped town. This is also why I ended up town reading Mac, because he felt to be in the same wavelength.

    @Macdougall I completely understand the frustration you say in Spec. Like you, this silly little tournament has been a very large brainworm inside me for 6 years. I also agree with your sentiment in this thread, that whoever wins deserves it, and whoever gets 2-7, it is all cool!

    One of my biggest hiccups with champs is that I have never felt like I was town mvp or helped town in a meaningful way (aside from S8 quali and semi, but got squashed in the finale). I think I achieved the last one (which is why I got a little sad during mid D2). And honestly. I dont feel 100% satisfied, but I feel... in overal satisfaction. And most importantly, I feel at peace. This is probably one of my overall best D1s, as someone who is bad at generating reads and be skillful during early game. Certain people have been "worried" about my attitude in this season. Sometimes I have been chastised for coming off as too ego. I also feel like I demonstrated to those that I played for the town, and not for myself, and therefore proved them wrong.

    And I also had fun! I am going to make a last video where all my champ games somehow have a montage.

    This is a good game to end the note on.

    Thanks all for this game and for the seasons.
    /Boq, stepping out.
    For what it's worth, I didn't see your play as ego play, and while I know you got frustrated talking to me, I never felt you were playing bad or unhealthy, just was confused on how you came to the scumread on me. But in discussing with you I ultimately started thinking you were probably just town caught up in a wrong read. Regardless, there was never any ill feelings towards you if you ever felt that way. You were a gentleman as usual, and it was a pleasure to have played your final champs game and to reverse the fortunes of S6 Finale
  10. Completed Hey, though. I advanced all the way to finale...

    Hey, though. I advanced all the way to finale and didn't get mischopped for as hard as everyone was trying. I'm taking that as a massive sub.

    Also, Clouds, Stick, and Ultra GOATed. Sultan also under-the-radar King $%#!.

    A lot of great players who were a pleasure to play with all things considered.
  11. Completed Holy $%#!, we town swept finale! That's $%#!ing...

    Holy $%#!, we town swept finale! That's $%#!ing incredible. I feel I only contributed little to that, but great work town. Some of it was frustrating but we got there in the end and that's what matters.

    Sorry to scum. A great rand with unfortunate timing. BK, you played your heart out, don't feel too bad. I mean you fooled me
  12. Completed Please block me because it would be nice to solve...

    Please block me because it would be nice to solve without constantly having to fend people off if the phase doesn't end today.
  13. Completed It's just deflating because I'm having a game...

    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#3394)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3372)
    You don't have to defend me stett. I've probably already played a trash game so if I die I die.

    It's kind of annoying to have a genuine question shut down like this if I'm being honest.
    you haven't played a trash game man

    just cause you tr'd the first flipped wolf doesn't mean it's all doom-and-gloom

    i'm pretty sure we were right on wiggles, & you were one of the few who was with me on that
    It's just deflating because I'm having a game where I'm not "obvtowning"(something that isn't like a requirement of my town games) because I've been busy IRL and because of that I've been playing from the backfoot with most of the game either scumreading me or not feeling comfortable to make me a townread. And despite the fact that I should be doing other things, I'm trying to chime in on some live things when I can or have a thought, and it almost always results in people reaffirming their scumread on me or saying that I'm not playing up to my town snuff or making me feel like I'm an idiot for daring to try and play the game.

    I know no one's meaning to do that, but it's not a great position to be in and people jumping at me for asking a question that, from my perspective, is 100% valid regardless of whether I believe the claim, it's just like, "What the $%#! else do you guys expect from me?"

    Anyway, I'm gonna stop looking at the thread for now. I'm getting frustrated from this and need to actually focus on other stuff.
  14. Completed What am I supposed to say to this if I think...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#3371)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3367)
    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#3362)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3358)
    I wouldn't put it past Ultra from the little I know of him to make a snap JOAT claim to avoid the chop and use it/paint it as a reaction test/get out hammer range card. And again, from my POV, wiggles is not the poison I'd expect from him.

    I'm not straight up doubting that he's the JOAT. It would be pretty dangerous to make that claim if not the JOAT. But that poison choice made me raise my eyebrows for him.
    i get it but like

    real joat would just cc and he'd be cooked rabbit
    I get that too, but that's where the "I could see Ultra taking that risk" part comes in. Not that I know Ultra well so I don't want to pretend like I have a bead on his playstyle. But I could see him thinking he could get away with it considering the situation.
    If wiggles is town I will lock my vote on you tomorrow.
    What am I supposed to say to this if I think you're likely tunneled town? You're wrong on who you want to go for, I think wiggles flips scum, but I don't see any productive dialogue coming from this unless I suspect you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#3382)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3378)
    Like seriously, pretend this was a closed setup where that kind of claim would be safer. Would you not think choosing to poison wiggles there is unexpected from Ultra's POV? Feel free to correct me if he had some big "wiggles probably scum" position at EOD that I missed, but people have done crazy ballsy play before, so if the logic doesn't immediately make sense, I'm gonna want to figure out what's up with it.
    This isn't a closed setup, wiggles is almost outed and your doubt makes sense if and only if wiggles is town.

    Therefore if wiggles is town you definitly slipped that with this fake concern here. And I'll be there to vote you.
    This one I didn't respond to because I read this and the Ultra posts against me and was annoyed at the way the thread reacted to me for daring to ask a question. I also don't really get how this is only possible if wiggles is town because he's still cc'ing the JOAT? He's still just as likely dead since scum can't poison.

    There wasn't much to engage with that was gonna make anything productive and there's no point continuing to explain why I questioned Ultra because everyone thinks it was a dumb or scummy question anyway.
  15. Completed Because you've made big posts I haven't had a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#3388)
    Ngl Psycho ignoring specificly my votes as I'm being the most aggressive to him is telling.
    Because you've made big posts I haven't had a chance to properly read and overall don't have the time to dig into. And I think you're probably town so I'm not super concerned with it at the moment other than somewhat annoyed at your confidence.
  16. Completed Whatever, Ultra's the JOAT. Let's move on.

    Whatever, Ultra's the JOAT. Let's move on.
  17. Completed That wasn't so much directed at you specifically...

    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#3376)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3372)
    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#3364)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3358)
    I wouldn't put it past Ultra from the little I know of him to make a snap JOAT claim to avoid the chop and use it/paint it as a reaction test/get out hammer range card. And again, from my POV, wiggles is not the poison I'd expect from him.

    I'm not straight up doubting that he's the JOAT. It would be pretty dangerous to make that claim if not the JOAT. But that poison choice made me raise my eyebrows for him.
    bruv you're making it so hard to mentally defend u
    You don't have to defend me stett. I've probably already played a trash game so if I die I die.

    It's kind of annoying to have a genuine question shut down like this if I'm being honest.
    sorry: not trying to shut down thoughts. I think i just sruggle to understand why people would question a PR claim at this juncture when mafia are on the ropes. There is exactly 0 wincon for maf!ultra by fakeclaiming. he gets CC'd and the claims get 50/50d.
    That wasn't so much directed at you specifically as the fact that like 3-4 people basically told me it was a useless question, which is frustrating.
  18. Completed Like seriously, pretend this was a closed setup...

    Like seriously, pretend this was a closed setup where that kind of claim would be safer. Would you not think choosing to poison wiggles there is unexpected from Ultra's POV? Feel free to correct me if he had some big "wiggles probably scum" position at EOD that I missed, but people have done crazy ballsy play before, so if the logic doesn't immediately make sense, I'm gonna want to figure out what's up with it.
  19. Completed You don't have to defend me stett. I've probably...

    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#3364)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3358)
    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#3338)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3316)
    If this is real, what made you poison wiggles instead of me?
    what's your goal in asking this tho

    do you think he's not joat for some reason? just a general curiosity thing?
    I wouldn't put it past Ultra from the little I know of him to make a snap JOAT claim to avoid the chop and use it/paint it as a reaction test/get out hammer range card. And again, from my POV, wiggles is not the poison I'd expect from him.

    I'm not straight up doubting that he's the JOAT. It would be pretty dangerous to make that claim if not the JOAT. But that poison choice made me raise my eyebrows for him.
    bruv you're making it so hard to mentally defend u
    You don't have to defend me stett. I've probably already played a trash game so if I die I die.

    It's kind of annoying to have a genuine question shut down like this if I'm being honest.
  20. Completed I get that too, but that's where the "I could see...

    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#3362)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3358)
    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#3338)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3316)
    If this is real, what made you poison wiggles instead of me?
    what's your goal in asking this tho

    do you think he's not joat for some reason? just a general curiosity thing?
    I wouldn't put it past Ultra from the little I know of him to make a snap JOAT claim to avoid the chop and use it/paint it as a reaction test/get out hammer range card. And again, from my POV, wiggles is not the poison I'd expect from him.

    I'm not straight up doubting that he's the JOAT. It would be pretty dangerous to make that claim if not the JOAT. But that poison choice made me raise my eyebrows for him.
    i get it but like

    real joat would just cc and he'd be cooked rabbit
    I get that too, but that's where the "I could see Ultra taking that risk" part comes in. Not that I know Ultra well so I don't want to pretend like I have a bead on his playstyle. But I could see him thinking he could get away with it considering the situation.
  21. Completed I wouldn't put it past Ultra from the little I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#3338)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3316)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3304)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#3297)
    ##Vote Ultra I want you to win this contest
    I'm the JOAT

    Idiots.
    If this is real, what made you poison wiggles instead of me?
    what's your goal in asking this tho

    do you think he's not joat for some reason? just a general curiosity thing?
    I wouldn't put it past Ultra from the little I know of him to make a snap JOAT claim to avoid the chop and use it/paint it as a reaction test/get out hammer range card. And again, from my POV, wiggles is not the poison I'd expect from him.

    I'm not straight up doubting that he's the JOAT. It would be pretty dangerous to make that claim if not the JOAT. But that poison choice made me raise my eyebrows for him.
  22. Completed I mean I wouldn't have expected Ultra to poison...

    Quote Originally Posted by evakyoo (#3334)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3330)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3316)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3304)
    I'm the JOAT

    Idiots.
    If this is real, what made you poison wiggles instead of me?
    I could enlighten you with my 200 IQ reasoning

    But I'm not quite in the mood right now
    If it's real I don't think you need to answer lmfao how is a question like this even productive from psycho.
    I mean I wouldn't have expected Ultra to poison wiggles from what I read of EOD, and definitely would have expected him to poison me, considering he still came into d2 mostly seeing me as possible scum even though he backed off.

    It feels pretty relevant to me.
  23. Completed Come back to me on this when you feel better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3330)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3316)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3304)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#3297)
    ##Vote Ultra I want you to win this contest
    I'm the JOAT

    Idiots.
    If this is real, what made you poison wiggles instead of me?
    I could enlighten you with my 200 IQ reasoning

    But I'm not quite in the mood right now
    Come back to me on this when you feel better?
  24. Completed If this is real, what made you poison wiggles...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3304)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#3297)
    ##Vote Ultra I want you to win this contest
    I'm the JOAT

    Idiots.
    If this is real, what made you poison wiggles instead of me?
  25. Completed Kinda find this towny because I expect scum would...

    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#3281)
    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#3272)
    @April_LKD @Macdougall question that's been nagging at me: given y'alls reasons for TRing me: why is Clouds absent from your top town lists?
    Basically, he's aggressively null for me. I haven't seen anything scummy but haven't seen anything overtly towny.

    BK's ISO was NAI for Clouds like it was for many other players.
    Kinda find this towny because I expect scum would be hyper aware of Clouds' position against BK and would be likely to lean him town or try to angle him as scummy. I guess since it's hedge-y and focuses on only looking at BK's side that maybe it could be scum biding their time to see what they can get away with, but eh. Not my first reaction.
  26. Completed I vibe with this for the most part. I think with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3221)
    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#3216)
    @Ultra what's your current read on mac btw?
    I've got him in secondary PoE. I think it's really hard for me to hard town Mac not just because of the fact that he's a very competent player and probably the best wolf here but also that he is very not transparent with his thought process and basically conditions you to accept the fact that he can change his reads on a whim and you just have to put up with it LMAO.

    GTH id say I'm leaning town though. I would have to assume wolf Mac saw the anvil dropping on BK and then got in and took credit for it.

    The problem with this theory is that D1 busses are just plain bad. He would know this of course. And if it were to be a good thing it requires a very high degree of coordination. Like if BlueKang's reads were all trojan horses to lead his buddies to victory. That doesn't seem to be the case here preflipping wiggles.

    On top of this I just sort of got the impression his adjustments came from concessions made over the course of the game and absorbing some reads from me/his other town homies by osmosis. That's speculation but it feels a lot more flexible compared to Boq.
    I vibe with this for the most part. I think with Mac, his support of the BK wagon was a one of the tipping points that made him the de facto EOD vote. Honestly both that and Sultan's vote. If we assume Ric is town(which is where I'm leaning atm), Sultan helped make him a viable tie at the beginning of EOD and had been basically pushing at him the whole phase. He had a lot of room to pivot elsewhere and probably could have built up to a vote on Ric, but instead he actually used BK's case against Ric to both shade BK and consider Ric towny off of it, and just...I dunno, I guess maybe Sultan could have like...given up on BK early one and was overprepared to bus, or if wiggles is town they chose to bus BK and use their interactions to clear him and Ric as his partners. But I just feel there were so many ways out of consistent shade on BK that Sultan would have taken before EOD.

    Got a little tangented there, but Mac came into EOD with BK at the bottom of his reads(I interacted with him on it a bit), specifically alongside me and April. You could argue he tries to angle for April first, but he drops it so quick with no major pushback and never even votes him. And like...my wagon was right there to push for and he just kind of leaves me alone. Mac had a lot of time and chance to try angle seriously get a good counter to BK and he doesn't. And like...yeah, sure by the time he vote he could have figured it was a lost cause, but it doesn't feel like he really did much to actually try and sway people away from BlueKang in the time before that.
  27. Completed I also may just want wiggles to be scum because...

    I also may just want wiggles to be scum because that means d1 wasn't 100% garbage. I'd like to keep my "catches 1-2 wolves, defends the other" streak alive.

    But I also was planning to come into today ready to vote wiggles before he got poisoned due to my previous reads on him and his relation to BK and his EOD wagon.
  28. Completed That's not to say people can't solve as if...

    That's not to say people can't solve as if wiggles is town. But me personally, I'm pretty comfortable pre-flipping him scum ATM.
  29. Completed I do get this, and we still haven't quite hit 25...

    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#3210)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3208)
    Ngl even with that motion detect result, I'm...not as keen on yeeting Justin? Like it's probably the optimal thing since he claimed VT but it just still doesn't really line up for me with how wiggles treated Justin. That and I think I could see them choosing to frame him over me because from scum's perspective, they would probably think there's enough to bury me from my association with BK. And with Justin being such a hot topic d1 and a surprising(but understandable) low poster, seems like both a believable frame that could also be informed by being a believable Motion target.

    The one thing that makes me wonder is how Justin was one of Stick's main suspects, but I'd like to review Stick's full direction yesterday to reconcile that. Because there's also the WIFOM argument that they did that to further frame Justin.
    FWIW this is exactly what I'm saying about not solving today as though we have a full red check on Wiggles. We don't.

    If Wiggles turns up wolf at twilight, cool. Let's find the third teammate tomorrow. If he doesn't, I don't want to go for a candidate we are stringing up because of their wolf equity with Wiggles. That's a dangerous route for town to go down.
    I do get this, and we still haven't quite hit 25 hours so it could just be timing. But I strongly believe town!wiggles wouldn't just 0-post after being poisoned. He'd want the chance to give his final solve for glory even if he $%#!s off after that. The fact we have almost hit the 24 hour mark and he hasn't shown up implies to me that he's scum that figures he might as well just enjoy his holiday.

    wiggles is not afraid to take a game lightly, but town!wiggles is a man of pride.
  30. Completed See, I get what you're saying, but I hate...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3212)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3208)
    Ngl even with that motion detect result, I'm...not as keen on yeeting Justin? Like it's probably the optimal thing since he claimed VT but it just still doesn't really line up for me with how wiggles treated Justin. That and I think I could see them choosing to frame him over me because from scum's perspective, they would probably think there's enough to bury me from my association with BK. And with Justin being such a hot topic d1 and a surprising(but understandable) low poster, seems like both a believable frame that could also be informed by being a believable Motion target.

    The one thing that makes me wonder is how Justin was one of Stick's main suspects, but I'd like to review Stick's full direction yesterday to reconcile that. Because there's also the WIFOM argument that they did that to further frame Justin.
    I've seen enough of this sort of commentary that I have to weigh in - even if Justin is not your #1 sus he is a total liability. The only logical reason not to chop him here is to attempt for a high score. I get it, really, but it's just objectively wrong play. If we miss he's still here like a rotten tooth
    See, I get what you're saying, but I hate arguments for "optimal" play because that leans into policy for me. And I hate policy.

    That said, we're in the best spot to policy someone as we're likely looking at two wolves already dead with no excess town casualties, so I'm not gonna fight it hard without coming to a strong scumread that overrides it. But I also don't think we should jump to hammering Justin or not consider worlds where we're wrong. I'd love the extra 24+ hours to not have a growing thread impeding me, but they'd ultimately gonna be a waste of our time. Especially if town!Justin gets the chance to give us some insight/legacy.

    And if I'm wrong, to me again.
  31. Completed You can Ctrl+f me for BK and there should be a...

    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#3205)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3204)
    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#3192)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3169)
    I think I respect the take and the source of the take enough but also I would be very cautious about holding it up over players who have associative that look good with BK that aren't some rendition of "BK town read them too much"
    i can assure you i'm being very cautious wrt psycho :P it's.... a lil off to me that he jumped into thread, duked it out with boq over a lot of semantics, and like straight up ignored my wallpost on him and didn't refer to it at all or try to leverage it.
    Your wall post was too long for me to read in the moment and like I don't feel a strong need to engage with it because I think you're town? I was gonna read it eventually but I'm also not at all the type to player to be like, "Listen to these people" because that's pander&y and I'd rather confront people that I think are reading me in bad faith or have them come to a townread on their own. I hate when people try to use someone else's read to justify why I should be townreading them so I don't play that way either.

    I only really care when someone is reading me in a way that I think they shouldn't based on experience/my expectation of their meta.
    Okay, so what was your impression of BK's reads on you yesterday? And can you find comments of yours from yesterday that show what you were thinking of them at the time?
    You can Ctrl+f me for BK and there should be a lot, but I said multiple times that I was concerned that BK might be reading me from a place of TMI. I'd rather not fish out the posts because I'm not really here at the moment, but I'll at least point to p#153 where I initially liked the way hr described his read on me. It was later that I started getting TMI pings thinking back to it and as I was rereading those first few pages. Then he started expanding his reads and I wasn't as concerned about it. And then when he made his Ricardo post I fooled myself into thinking it was a legit case, probably partially because I was starting to scumread Ric at the time

    Like I said I don't have the time to fish things out, but a Ctrl+f verifies that I've spoke a out these things multiple times throughout d1.
  32. Completed Ngl even with that motion detect result,...

    Ngl even with that motion detect result, I'm...not as keen on yeeting Justin? Like it's probably the optimal thing since he claimed VT but it just still doesn't really line up for me with how wiggles treated Justin. That and I think I could see them choosing to frame him over me because from scum's perspective, they would probably think there's enough to bury me from my association with BK. And with Justin being such a hot topic d1 and a surprising(but understandable) low poster, seems like both a believable frame that could also be informed by being a believable Motion target.

    The one thing that makes me wonder is how Justin was one of Stick's main suspects, but I'd like to review Stick's full direction yesterday to reconcile that. Because there's also the WIFOM argument that they did that to further frame Justin.
  33. Completed Your wall post was too long for me to read in the...

    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#3192)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3169)
    I think I respect the take and the source of the take enough but also I would be very cautious about holding it up over players who have associative that look good with BK that aren't some rendition of "BK town read them too much"
    i can assure you i'm being very cautious wrt psycho :P it's.... a lil off to me that he jumped into thread, duked it out with boq over a lot of semantics, and like straight up ignored my wallpost on him and didn't refer to it at all or try to leverage it.
    Your wall post was too long for me to read in the moment and like I don't feel a strong need to engage with it because I think you're town? I was gonna read it eventually but I'm also not at all the type to player to be like, "Listen to these people" because that's pander&y and I'd rather confront people that I think are reading me in bad faith or have them come to a townread on their own. I hate when people try to use someone else's read to justify why I should be townreading them so I don't play that way either.

    I only really care when someone is reading me in a way that I think they shouldn't based on experience/my expectation of their meta.
  34. Completed I'm still kind of sorting things and have little...

    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#3097)
    General question to everyone so I can figure out exactly if I should out my check now, I think everyone has checked in so it’s fine, I just need to know how solid people reads are:

    What are people’s top three town reads (that aren’t me) and top three wolf reads? Right now my top town are Mac, April, Stett. I’m with holding my wolf reads for a strategic reason but I just need to know what are the general vibes from the people currently in the thread because either this goes really well or we are about to start massacring the entire town.
    I'm still kind of sorting things and have little knowledge of D2, but my too 3 townreads are probably Clouds, Mac, and stett. eva and Sultan are runners up that I want to look into a bit more.

    I don't know that I have straight up wolfreads but the three people I most want to look into are April, Boq, and Ultra. You would have been in this list over Ultra but by this post I'm guessing you're claiming PR?

    I do think there's a chance one of the people defending me today could be the final scum knowing that I'm gonna get a lot of heat and wanting to be on the right side of history. But I like both stett and Clouds from their play yesterday and how they handled BlueKang, and don't really feel Mac as bussing the way he did last phase, so I felt fine with it.
  35. Completed This is mostly for me to come back to, and I...

    This is mostly for me to come back to, and I wanted to get through the whole of D2, but instead, everyone that shaded me up to Pg. 52:

    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#2332)
    Got started on the overnight ISO (I enjoyed my Saturday, sue me) of BK, but wrapping it up in the next 15 min or so.

    Mostly here's my conclusions:
    Mac, Stett, Eva, Boq all look REALLY good.
    Psycho, Ric, Justin currently looking bad. And me, but one of y'all will have to build that case, I won't do it for you.

    Whoever poisoned Wiggles will face my wrath, I just wanted him to play more than two game days for once. You monster!
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#2338)
    I am at:
    Mac
    April
    Ricardo

    Always town

    Likely town (tho I don't wanna do any blunders)
    Clouds
    Sultan


    Looking forward to your Psycho explanation Stett because he is on my hit list at the moment

    I still think Eva's eod is wolfy but I also want to respect Mac's opinion that it is townie and will await for him to tell me why


    Litten is probably town too through his EOD?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#2383)
    I will stop tunneling Psycho purely because I am willing to hear out arguments in his favor - I still think he's viable. There was talk of Brad TMI'ing him earlier but actually he had a bit of a clause in his read that Psycho started of bad which felt off to me. Psycho also felt quite frozen at EoD in general.

    Wanna poke Boq for now because I felt like Boq was gassing up Bluekang a bit too much at junctions where he got suspected and when he came in with his whole ricardo case

    @Boquise Can you explain your snap vote on BK and why you thought his declaration of being obvious town was ridiculous when you put him at the top of your town reads earlier in the day?
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#2400)
    Okay so I'm thinking I'm coming in behind the 8 ball today. I really didn't expect the BK flip and was really dubious of how it formed. In related news, I should remember that it would never be bad to sheep Mac.

    First, I fell for the AtE in 2241 and 2266. I freakin' hate AtE for this reason. I try to avoid it at all costs and I fell victim here. That's on me. If I am on the chopping block today, it's my own fault for being blind to what several others were seeing at EOD. (And being allergic to big vote leads on day one.)

    Anyways, did a BK iso overnight:

    I can go into some detail with more post numbers (took handwritten notes), but here's how I'm leaning from it:

    • --Eva spewed town a few times, mostly in some very passionate defenses of Eva against Ric, and also Eva's final roasting of BK seems to be what put it over the edge.
    • --Mac spewed town, because a core part of BK's "case" against Ric was that Ric immediately entered and looked to get on Mac's good side.
    • --Stett town (because they gave EXACTLY what BK was doing in an early post), and BK pushed against it in 353.
    • --Ultra seems to be spewed town, because he naked voted Ultra and then couldn't even justify it in in 359.
    • --Boq town, because they were very on point in 1052 about the freezing.
    • --Ultra townspew because BK was saying they were "sinking themselves" which seems unlikely something w/w to say in 1094.
    • --Spends a lot of time defending Psycho, which was a town read for him starting in 140. No progression on this read beyond that point. (Similar thing happens with Eva, but by EOD she is riding BK like a horse.)


    Just for posterity, a count of ALL directly quoted replies (even fluff) to each player, votes, and meaningful mentions (subjective count) of each player:
    April
    4 replies, 4 mentions
    Eva
    13 replies, 9 mentions, 1 vote
    Stett
    12 replies, 6 mentions
    Ric
    8 replies, 8 mentions (not mentioned before the massive case against him), 1 vote
    Mac
    10 replies, 5 mentions
    Psycho
    2 replies, 13 mentions
    Litten
    7 replies, 6 mentions
    Boq
    5 replies, 5 mentions
    Ultra
    10 replies, 2 mentions, 1 vote
    Sultan
    1 reply, 1 mention, 1 vote
    Clouds
    1 reply, 3 mentions
    Wiggles
    6 replies, 5 mentions
    Justin
    6 replies, 2 mentions

    That huge different between replies and mentions of Psycho is staggering. Lots of defending Psycho, not much talking to Psycho. The rest of this is basically just busy work, you'd be right to criticize it, but it's meant to be a resource if you want to check it in the future.

    I'm going to go back and check Psycho's ISO, especially the beginning, because the below is post #140 and BK sticks with this read throughout. It's suspect.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#140)
    I thought Psycho was starting flat but then he got right into solving and discussing things and I feel like putting him into towns as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#2405)
    I'm really heavy on Psycho after BK's ISO so if someone could give me the town case for them let 'er rip.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#2411)
    I don't know whoever said that Bk's goal as scum when he cased me was to appear towny and not to bury me but that person is like top suspect now because that's just bs. Ofc it was to bury me, did you see how he published his case to everyone and acted like I was outed or something

    It was EoD madness so I ignored it at the time. I believe it was Psycho.
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#2413)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#28)
    Sup gamers

    Also this flavor is hype @Lumi
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#34)
    Quote Originally Posted by Macdougall (#8)
    I arrive on a chariot made of dead mafia
    For the dumbest reasons ever I want to buy this as a town entrance
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#38)
    Quote Originally Posted by Stick (#10)
    sup nerds

    this is going to be a strange game because modbot has gone off-script
    Hey Stick

    Are you scum again?
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#74)
    Got another dumb read for ya

    April's first 2 posts have a loose energy about them that more often than not flips town
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#82)
    Quote Originally Posted by Stick (#47)
    Quote Originally Posted by evakyoo (#37)
    Quote Originally Posted by Stick (#10)
    sup nerds

    this is going to be a strange game because modbot has gone off-script
    What
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#38)
    Quote Originally Posted by Stick (#10)
    sup nerds

    this is going to be a strange game because modbot has gone off-script
    Hey Stick

    Are you scum again?
    I was supposed to be, but it appears I have a green role PM

    cons:
    I have not broken the record for most wolf rands in one season

    pros:
    town
    ngl this reads pretty forced
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#86)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#81)
    Season 10, Finale: Over the Owl Falls and the Dragonbender of Power (The Mafia Championship) Day 1 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    3 Ultra Macdougall (3), evakyoo (18), Litten (6)
    2 Macdougall Ricardo (13), wiggles1993 (6)
    1 April_LKD Ultra (6)
    1 evakyoo Stick (5)
    8 Not voting April_LKD (5), BlueKang (4), Boquise (0), Clouds (0), didistetter (0), Justinrs2 (0), Psycho666Soldier (4), SultanOfSlam (3)

    View Vote History

    Day 1 ends at 6:00 PM EDT on Friday, October 6th, 2023. There are 1696629660000 remaining.
    To follow Abbi's Law or follow my heart

    The heart wins for now

    ##Vote Stick
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#88)
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#83)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#74)
    Got another dumb read for ya

    April's first 2 posts have a loose energy about them that more often than not flips town
    V dumb read but correct

    Hi I'm April, I hope the fact that my first interaction with you is me calling you dumb doesn't give you the wrong impression of me
    I'm so offended. I'm quitting mafia forever. Thanks for ruining my life.
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#98)
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#93)
    This is the first time I've been around at SOD1 in one if these and this is madness

    Why are you all voting so much already

    I am on record as long early votes but this is certified bonkers
    Voting is king. It is the greatest power most town will have.
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#104)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#98)
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#93)
    This is the first time I've been around at SOD1 in one if these and this is madness

    Why are you all voting so much already

    I am on record as long early votes but this is certified bonkers
    Voting is king. It is the greatest power most town will have.
    Any particular thoughts on the early Ultra wagon while we're at it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#106)
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#103)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#98)
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#93)
    This is the first time I've been around at SOD1 in one if these and this is madness

    Why are you all voting so much already

    I am on record as long early votes but this is certified bonkers
    Voting is king. It is the greatest power most town will have.
    I agree, so we shouldn't just abuse it Willy Nilly!
    But vote goes brrr and then $%#! happens

    Not always good $%#! but definitely juicy excitement
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#114)
    Looked at Sultan's ISO to see what wiggles was seeing, and tbh, I don't hate that vote at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#125)
    Quote Originally Posted by Stick (#113)
    - don’t love ultra’s ric TR because I think Ric is definitely in scumrange - that comment about the flavour puzzles I can 100% see w!ric making

    - Brad seems off but don’t ask me to explain this bc I can’t

    - yea psycho I agree that post of mine sounds a little scummy I think I’m scummier as town than as mafia unironically lmfao
    That's....actually a fair argument lol. In both of the last games you mostly came off as town to me. That said, I feel like I had initially thought your entrance in the last game came off kind of forced, too. So I'm gonna stick it out for a bit.

    How do you feel about wiggles and Sultan?
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#133)
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#115)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#102)
    Quote Originally Posted by evakyoo (#87)
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#62)
    Alright everyone I want a nice clean game. No cheap shots, personal attacks, or hits below the belt. Remember be nice to one another and don't be an asshole

    Lol I was wondering why I couldn't post I apparently forgot to verify my pm lol
    *Laughs*

    @SultanOfSlam What do you think I rolled?
    You obviously rolled a Fruit Vendor.

    In all seriousness if I had to guess early gut says wolf. But could be my paranoia of you steam rolling us town full last game
    Can you explain why your gut makes you think Ultra is wolf other than previous paranoia? Like were there any particular posts that pinged you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#137)
    Quote Originally Posted by evakyoo (#127)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#98)
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#93)
    This is the first time I've been around at SOD1 in one if these and this is madness

    Why are you all voting so much already

    I am on record as long early votes but this is certified bonkers
    Voting is king. It is the greatest power most town will have.
    Ew you feel kind of flat
    I always welcome votes if you wanna put that feeling to action


    These are the Psycho posts before BK townleans them and then never waivers. Pretty thin if you ask me. I dunno, Psycho is very deep in the my POE.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#2416)
    ##Vote Psycho666Soldier

    Eh I'll do this for the sake of conversation
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#2420)
    I am glad that my read on BK was solid. People still thinking I'm scum makes me giggle my scum game must have people super perinod or something

    Doing some digging during might phase I do not feel great about Psycho.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#2423)
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#2420)
    I am glad that my read on BK was solid. People still thinking I'm scum makes me giggle my scum game must have people super perinod or something

    Doing some digging during might phase I do not feel great about Psycho.
    I have only seen people townreading you since D2 started.

    And yes looks like Psycho is on everyone's watchlist today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Macdougall (#2431)
    Sultan
    Psycho
    Justin

    This is the most basic level 1 POE.

    Towncase these players if you care to. That's where we should be starting.

    If you want spice, Boquise had the most "pro Bluekang" EOD. He voted Brad briefly for that lamist "I'm obvious town just open your eyes" post and immediately unvoted.

    Personally still townreading him but in a gamestate where chopping the wolfiest player worked on day 1, why stop there?
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#2436)
    Quote Originally Posted by Macdougall (#2431)
    Sultan
    Psycho
    Justin

    This is the most basic level 1 POE.

    Towncase these players if you care to. That's where we should be starting.

    If you want spice, Boquise had the most "pro Bluekang" EOD. He voted Brad briefly for that lamist "I'm obvious town just open your eyes" post and immediately unvoted.

    Personally still townreading him but in a gamestate where chopping the wolfiest player worked on day 1, why stop there?
    I think a point in Sultan favor is the fact that they were right against Bluekang, from what achromatic told me they seem to have accurate reads but just can’t express them well, which is part of why I wanted him to elaborate on his reads more. If he’s right on his current reads which are Psycho/Wiggles, one of them at least, I think he’s probably town because in that case he’s entered this day to bus one of his partners instead of trying to look at good as possible by trying to push/solve as townie as he can

    I think psycho being wrong on Bluekang and pushing eva there deserves the death sentence, it’s level one reasoning but also I already thought other people in the game are townier than him and his end of day isn’t good with the knowledge that Bluekang is town. I already talked about Justin but yeah
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#2450)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1174)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#1140)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#1137)
    ##Vote Ricardo

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#12)
    wait wtf

    I thought EoD was at like 2 am and randomly checked here
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#15)
    No complaints I guess lol I can make it to EoD! :P


    Very awkward first two posts trying to joke about SOD/EOD time before posting his Sonic Frontiers song on the third post. Didn't understand why this was necessary besides "trying to act natural and fit in."

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#64)
    Quote Originally Posted by Macdougall (#59)
    Imagine unironically townreading the wolf who carried sf3

    Gadoosh

    ##Vote Ultra
    Now Mac, I know this will be hard to believe but

    I am actually town this time!!!


    Appealing to Mac after he talks about him slightly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#96)
    Quote Originally Posted by evakyoo (#87)
    wait was your game not like this or something??

    hmm could be a wolf wanting us to be nicer to eo? wolves want to look like theyre the nice person in the room
    like i didnt think many games were toxic soooo minus ultras sf3 apparently.

    i also forgot u were here for some reason. ur pfp is just jarring.

    i believe the pm thing (i do it in half my games)
    evakyoo

    I'm sorry

    I'm going to light scumread you now

    Nothing concrete but your last 3 (something) posts have not been great to me, I think you're making early reads up a bit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#141)
    Quote Originally Posted by evakyoo (#126)
    How are they not great?
    You obviously need to play a turbo. BlueKang can confirm this is how we play turbos @BlueKang isn't that right sweaty (and I'm town for it, back me up right now)

    And why would you apologise for a scum read help
    I said right after, I think you're making up reads

    At the same time I played 1 turbo and it was madness (not role madness) so idk could be that too.

    I'm willing of course to give you time to not produce made up reads.

    And I guess I'm sorry because we're friends and I'm going against you so early? I don't know lol you guys are right it was a bit silly to apologize


    The moment of apologizing to Eva for scumreading her, and then instantly backs up on the idea of apologizing after Eva and Wiggles are wondering why he's apologizing already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#156)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#148)
    I can’t believe you guys are letting Eva and psycho get away with classic theater as they plot to murder some rando’s in wolf chat
    I accept this assessment but Psycho seems towny to me right now
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#159)
    But then again Psycho why the hell are you ISOing people already jesus christ

    You really are a Psycho.


    Ricardo's read on Psycho switches almost lightning fast because the dude calls Psycho town answering someone else.

    Then changes because Psycho is iso'ing people...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#162)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#158)
    Better get your scumdar fixed
    We might need a LAMIST counter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#231)
    Quote Originally Posted by evakyoo (#225)
    pls use commas so i can read it help
    i do agree w lamist lmfao
    This is funny considering Psycho's following post is also LAMIST.

    I figure a scum would be more self aware about this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#258)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#254)
    Needs more Psycho votes

    People pussyfooting too much
    Do you usually LAMIST so much or what's the deal here


    3 times Ricardo calls something that Psycho posts "LAMIST." When in reality they're not really that LAMIST? One is just a form of "you're wrong" the others are just defenses and being aggressive in defense.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#270)
    The funniest part is that I did exactly that vote stunt in semis except I was going to be yeeted and it was EoD so perhaps the stakes were a bit higher.

    Psycho is striking me as extremely performative though. Unsure if that word is correct. Probably not. I did my best


    Finally changes to "performative" slightly after I ask him about it on #259.

    Also a slight Ladd Tell using something he did as scum in a past game in order to scumread someone. ������

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#232)
    Quote Originally Posted by evakyoo (#223)
    Yes. Your read was off from my expectations from an early day 1. I also think a town needs to consider who would be able to help contribute to your read - we want to read people correctly, and I'd like you to cooperate with people who have more experience on the matter.

    There are 5 people that played with Ricardo, which means not all of us can be scum. So if you direct your read to all of us, only up to 3 people can lie about their perspective on it.

    This feels like something I'd say as wolf dohoho
    It doesn't even "feel" like it, this is something I would 100% say as wolf.
    You're blowing the whole Ricardo situation say out of proportion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#239)
    Quote Originally Posted by evakyoo (#238)
    This isn't about you, it's about Psycho not giving a $%#!.
    Sorry.

    You're blowing the whole Psycho situation way out of proportion.


    So Eva and Ultra are talking about the stuff with Psycho and his responses to Ultra.

    Ricardo comes in talking about blowing the Ricardo situation out of proportion.

    And then is corrected by Eva and changes the joke to match.

    This feels like mafia being paranoid of getting talked about and trying to fan the flames but it's not actually a thing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#242)
    Quote Originally Posted by Stick (#237)
    h-h-hey sf3 players is it ok if I t-t-town read Ricardo


    I just wanted to say that LOL I’m not TRing Ricardo yet

    to answer your question ric - I meant that everything that ultra has posted thus far is within both his scum and town repertoire, and that I haven’t seen anything yet that pings me as actively wolfy which is why I’m not voting him despite calling him out on that tr on you. So yea he’s null
    I'm not satisfied with this response. It doesn't answer the link between the scum playstyle which can't be identified yet and reading someone null. Pretty generic reason to justify a null read as well.

    Welcome to my scum reads!


    Then Ricardo takes a joke post from Stick, which she derived from Ultra at #222 and made a joke of, and adds her to his scumreads.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#625)
    Hey everyone, those were some posts, I have the feeling a lot of people are going to postcap this game

    What I gathered was:

    - Mac is going to be hard to deal with + he's trying to solve so probably town for now (altough my only scum sample from him is when he was tomfoolering and my only town sample from him is when I wasn't seriously solving)

    - Why is Ultra so agitated people don't agree with his townread on me and scumread on eva, it's obviously weird but it's also weird from scum's viewpoint I think. Still, why, it's early game, nobody cares, those reads will change most likely anyways.

    - For people saying eva is energetic and therefore town, please do not fall for that. Very NAI for evakyoo.

    - I forgot half the stuff I read already.

    I'm on my phone and on travels today so won't be posting an essay on why Modbot is scum or anything like that but will post here and there. I will read everything again and post to stuff as I see it again like I usually do.


    Comes back, non-read on Mac, shuts down Evakyoo townreads, 4th line literally just nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#628)
    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#321)
    Ricardo ( I don’t really understand the TR here yet ngl. Everything feels p in line with his semis)
    1 person is TR'ing me. If anything consensus is that I'm Scum.

    How is my play here in line with semis?


    Overly conscious of how people are reading him...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#640)
    Quote Originally Posted by Macdougall (#412)
    Sure.

    I think your issues with Eva are reasonable and encourage you to pursue them as you feel the need. I find their reads agreeable with mine and at this stage that makes me comfortable giving them a page 4 townlean.

    I found you pingy initially but the pressure on you is there, and I can imagine that if I place you under more pressure it's going to be hard for you to solve in a way that enables me to see you if you are town. If you are town, I'd like to find it.

    I think Bluekang is fairly likely town. I'm narrowing my focus to his wagon because of that. I want my pressure to remain on a Bluekang voter for now and felt like Stett's vote wasn't great.

    I am mostly just gathering data at this stage.
    I'd say this lacks agenda and is therefore a town Mac post, particularly the last line.

    I think scum Mac wouldn't be afraid of pushing agenda already. Or maybe he's being subtle about it.


    Starts to townlean Mac but hedges it in the same post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#641)
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#414)
    If someone could make me a scumread I'd appreciate it, I cleared my weekend to focus on this game and I'd love to make it to day two
    LAMIST

    Some people are being particularly LAMIST this game, like Psycho and April.

    I think that there are some standout players that will be NK targets even if you're townread a lot. I don't think this post makes sense for you right now.


    Another one on the LAMIST counter this time on April but brings Psycho back up...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#645)
    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#450)
    though man, if ricardo's town, his read distribution as of #276 is polar opposite from how i like to play as town

    i'm better at id'ing town than i am at id'ing scum by far, and it's easier for me to build a list of confident town and solve out from there
    I do this all the time as both alignments.

    also my reads suck


    First line is whatever but second line is a subtle "trying to lower expectations" line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#651)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#485)
    Something I feel has been off for several posts is that you keep pressuring/s reading Ultra, but the indirect focus is topic "Ricardo is actually a wolf", so you are pushing Ultra on the basis that he is town reading Ricardo whom you scum read. You also put yourself in expert position of Ricardo's alignment.

    Uh idk how to word it. Like. Ricardo becomes like the gloves you use to punch Ultra? All of this is sorta off.

    ##Vote evakyoo
    You put into words what I couldn't


    Trying to use Boq's explanation to continue his scumread on Eva.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#672)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#667)
    Why is Eva scummy iyo?
    I think she pushed too much on the Ultra townreading me situation. Plus she feels agressive and performative (really do not know if I'm using the term correctly). I have also played with her as both town and scum and while I am not the biggest fan of meta I will admit that this is influencing my opinion. Evakyoo's town game was very focused on bringing town together, working together, finding town. Evakyoo's scum game was more focused on shutting down people, more individualistic, and I think she's playing much more like that right now.


    Finally explains thoroughly why he scumreads Eva. Adds generic reasoning early in it. Then the second half of it is an explanation of Eva's game thus far that I don't feel like is that truthful compared to what she was doing?

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    OVERALL RICARDO'S GAME JUST DOESN'T REALLY FEEL RIGHT? SEEMS TO BE REALLY GOING AFTER PLAYERS BUT THE REASONS AND EXPLANATIONS JUST DON'T WORK OR THEY'RE A SELECT FEW REASONS THAT ARE REPEATED BUZZWORDS OR AREN'T TRUE TO WHAT HAS HAPPENED DURING THE GAME.

    I HAVE A PRETTY DECENT FEELING THAT RICARDO IS MAF!
    @Psycho666Soldier @Stick @wiggles1993 @Boquise @April_LKD @Macdougall @evakyoo @didistetter
    I think this is ultimately a really good case, though a couple things:

    I don't think the "Psycho is Psycho" thing was meant as an alignment read, but that's sort of irrelevant as he jumps to shading me right after that.

    I don't think Ric voted Stick for the joke part of her post, I'm pretty sure he was responding the spoiler. Though I do feel the reason was a bit contrived because Stick's explanation seemed fine enough that it wasn't worth scumreading and don't her explanation contradicted her previous takes on Ultra's meta

    To be honest, p#672 where he explains his read on eva felt a little towny to me. Like the meta comparison makes sense and I think kinda matches. So unless he's like blatantly lying I don't really see that reasoning as scummy. I don't think it can't be scum, but for me that's a post in his favor.

    The bit about "blowing the Ricardo situation out of proportion" is a good catch, as Ricardo seems incredibly self-conscious of his thread position.

    And as I mentioned not long ago, it does feel a bit like Ricardo is trying to throw shade wherever he can get away with it and seems more focused on that then townreads.

    So ultimately I support the vote and might hop on.
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1176)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#1165)
    Jokes aside his response here seems rather poor. He may be a necessary flip just reading the room. His attitude towards this game does seem a bit survivalist. Just about nothing brought up in that case stirred me all that much. Feel like BK was pretty much a wall flower before charging his spirit bomb of a case and now he's entered the thread with newfound confidence, might be indicative that he genuinely thinks he has something but he seems almost a bit too cocky.

    Gonna re-ISO Ricardo anyway
    Personally I think that case and energy that you described puts BK as a strong town for me. It's about how he carries it going forward, but I'm not too sure I see BK making that case and bullrushing it full force and with this much gusto if he was scum. I know he has strong games in him, but this early I think scum!BK is more content to blend with the crowd.
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1179)
    ##Vote Ricardo
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1199)
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#1194)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1193)
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#1190)
    I also ask you to exsaplin any reads and you basically gave bull $%#! but I'm not going to argue with you again beacuse it's pointless
    Can you talk about how your read progressed on BK from thinking he's scum to voting with him against Ricardo?
    When did i think BK was scum? Begin of the game ish? Or you mean when I question his vote on Me since it seemed. Similar to how he miss judged me last game.

    But either way BK I think is showing the most attempt to solve. And reminds me more the town game then the one scum game is played with him. So sorta a meta read if you have to call it something
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#337)
    I actually think that didi might be on to something about BK
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#343)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#339)
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#337)
    I actually think that didi might be on to something about BK
    Honestly kinda stole the words out of my mouth in regards to trying to copy his own process. I used my town game as a direct template last game when I was scum and BK is giving me the impression of being superficially similar but lacking impact.

    Why, for example, has he not given any comment on his vote/read on me? I snowed him last game. I probably deserve more than a cliff note or OMGUS. It doesn't even register to me as paranoia, it's just ???

    Let's run him up Sultan. Trust me bro. I'm not leading you astray this time. Pinky promise!!!

    You know what yeah im game for this ##Vote BlueKang
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#347)
    My biggest issue with BK is that Read list just seems meh
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#351)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#72)
    Liking Eva's energy so far this game, putting her in towns.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#129)
    Quote Originally Posted by evakyoo (#119)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#92)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#88)
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#83)
    V dumb read but correct

    Hi I'm April, I hope the fact that my first interaction with you is me calling you dumb doesn't give you the wrong impression of me
    I'm so offended. I'm quitting mafia forever. Thanks for ruining my life.
    And you came out of retirement for this...
    Wait brad omg we play turbos we should be able to read each other this early
    Yeah I'm leaning you town already.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#314)
    Townread:
    Evakyoo
    Psycho666Soldier


    Townlean:
    April_LKD



    Evakyoo - Feel like she's had the most energy in this group so far, has looked excited upon game start which is all positive to me. Posts like #65 trying to pull a read off of a small comment, #87 an example of engaging with people with small questions, her read on me and attempting to get me going has felt good.

    PsychoSoldier - Handling of Stick feels pretty fair got posts like #125 where he's explaining what he feels regarding Stick but is still trying to give her a fair shot and gives her a question about others. #133 question to Sultan and I feel like the "besides previous paranoia" part of the question makes me feel like he's trying to understand more to Sultan's read on Ultra.

    -

    April_LKD - Feels to be solving at his own pace, seems to have stuck around throughout the majority of this SOD so far this game and has overall felt comfortable in the thread.


    Idk why but this just fells flat based on the progression
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#388)
    Quote Originally Posted by Stick (#373)
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#347)
    My biggest issue with BK is that Read list just seems meh
    @SultanOfSlam why do you find it meh? Am I correct to assume that means you found it underwhelming? Isn’t there something to be said about BK going against the grain with his psycho read? Shouldn’t that make it not-underwhelming?
    I mean going against the grain is fine but still. Idk what do you like about it to answer your question with a question


    The first 12+ hours of the game and over half of the game thread yes. What changed between that and this:

    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#1049)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#1047)
    Hi randy.. I think you're town again. I think I worked it out and see similar stuff to what I did last game from you. Who should we look into more? Also do you still not trust me this game like last game?
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1526)
    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#1508)
    Psycho can you give me GtH reads on justin, april, and bk please?
    I think they're all town. BK has steadily ramped up in content and I think has sustained an energy level I would expect from him as town. While I think some of the Ric case was confbias, I do get the feeling he believes it. Especially with the way he was begging for everyone to read it. That damn near locked him as town for me.

    I keep going back and forth on April because I do feel his d1 had been stilted for a long time, putting more energy into filler-y posts and just kind of commenting on people getting reads too soon and using that as an excuse to not fully engage. But I did find the explanation in p#338 to be towny and I think it and his general stance on the matter only really looks bad if Ultra and/or Sultan are his partners. In which case he'd be trying to avoid reading/voting them but not knowing where to push or feeling influential enough to make one. I liked the way he addressed Ultra about meta and the nuance in p#428 of recognizing issues with eva whole simultaneously not liking Ultra being overconfident about the meta. Another thing that only really looks bad to me if eva is scum. I felt p#791 was fairly towny in the way he wanted to try and substantiate the gutread/scumpings that he couldn't quite remember, and I like that he acknowledges posts that look good/that he agrees with. I think p#796, though, is his towniest. I like the way that he went to look at what eva was posting to see if Ric's thought made sense. There's a lot of room there to outright bury Ric and think it shows him trying to just get it because it want the impression he had from eva's posts. Again, if eva ends up flipping wolf, I'd heavily evaluate and wonder if he was maybe doing some distanced defense, but I'm not there yet nor do I think it locks April as scum.

    I'm probably townleaning Justin too soon and without the gth he's more on the positive side of null. I don't have a lot of individual posts that strike me as towny, it's just kind of vibes and tempering my volume expectations with the fact that he's legit busy IRL. I did think p#509 was towny on my first read, even if I kinda wish he looked up the progression himself. I also vibed with his explanation on wiggles last night. This is one I want to let develop more, but I don't have an urge to chop him today. And I'm not really keen on how wiggles came to voting Justin so I'm not sure if the wagon is pure.

    Where are your reads on them right now?
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1620)
    Quote Originally Posted by Stick (#1618)
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    boq what happened to your wiggles TR?
    someone didnt read my long $%#! read review post smh tbh ):

    he is still a town read, but April asked for my strongest reads.

    gotta use my last posts wisely now tbh
    ah yeah fair enough



    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#1614)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#1493)
    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#1490)
    my main thing with BK's case: it's not super detailed, it kinda makes mountains out of molehill moments, and it feels kinda like a hard case to curry favor after struggling to get traction. But also i understand the thoughtline and i can see HOW its a plausible case from a towney. I'm interested to see how BK responds to the lukewarm reception, and curious how he adresses the concerns. Its a bit concerning to me that my bottom two off SoD are still in my bottom tier. I think if BK is town he ought to be able to show it in how he adresses responses to his case and how he reacts to thread moving away from scum!ricardo
    I was just thinking something similar and it does feel a bit vindicating that we're almost at day close and both slots still feel like they're struggling for air.

    @Clouds One thing I want to chime in for wiggles defense is that I think he handled the thread consensus suspicion on me in a way that feels towny. He could have been TMI'ig me but he basically just said I was obvious town and spent half the day actually trying to test his assumptions. I don't think he's hard town but feels like such a coinflip compared to some other options we have.

    Join Stultra core gonna yeetus deletus Psycho Day 1. Let's do this.
    and you might be right

    keeping my vote here for the time being, kinda want to vote brad more, just wanted to test the waters
    science

    ##Vote BlueKang

    btw i tried looking for that scumcase sultan brought up, from the adpat 6 practice game, to compare it to the ric case but apparently the site got $%#!ed over mid game and a good chunk of posts got eaten?? lmfao. i didnt find any scumcases by brad in that game
    Why BK over anyone else?
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1947)
    I'm against the BK wagon
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1993)
    Quote Originally Posted by Macdougall (#1966)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1947)
    I'm against the BK wagon
    Why?
    Because I've found him as town throughout this whole phase. I worried he might have had TMI on me, but I think his energy level has sustained in a way that's towny. I think while the case on Ricardo wasn't airtight, it still felt like he believed it, especially with the way he was trying to get people to engage with it. I also think if he was a wolf there would have been someone signal boosting his posts, but no one really did and only like 3 of us(including Ric) interacted with it.

    Just not really seeing a scum BK here
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#2086)
    Wagon comp on BK doesn't feel great


    These are noteworthy Psycho posts post-BK's-Ric-casing that read like a wolf softly trying to support a teammate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#2452)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#140)
    I thought Psycho was starting flat but then he got right into solving and discussing things and I feel like putting him into towns as well.
    …I guess I can see what you mean? This doesn’t really sway me either way, I’ll read what psycho posts today and likely will read back but I don’t really think this is as clearing as people make it out to be, considering it makes perfect sense to just town read your partner so they are in a good postion early on in finals.
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#2457)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#2452)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#140)
    I thought Psycho was starting flat but then he got right into solving and discussing things and I feel like putting him into towns as well.
    …I guess I can see what you mean? This doesn’t really sway me either way, I’ll read what psycho posts today and likely will read back but I don’t really think this is as clearing as people make it out to be, considering it makes perfect sense to just town read your partner so they are in a good postion early on in finals.
    A few of my own posts back I quoted (and spoilered so it didn't dominate the text of the thread) all of Psycho's posts prior to that.

    BK isn't necessarily wrong about Psycho up to that point, but he makes that read and stands on it all day. It's weird.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#2466)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#2437)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#2421)
    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#2417)
    i gotta make dinner but y'all are gonna have to HARD convince me of scum!psycho. Rn i ONLY think that slot is EVER viable scum on a team of exactly BK/Clouds/Psycho or mayyyyyyyyyyybe BK/Boq/Psycho and yeah. no. I'll towncase him today, but wanna dig back through slots i didn't have time to get to and do some NKA.
    I am looking forward to hear why Psycho is town with more words than just "cos" tbh
    Can you explain to me, off the top of your head what your case/perspective is here. Be a bit more elaborate than your last response to me.
    I posted this just some minutes ago but can make an abridged version:
    Psycho's reaction to my Litten vote yesterday felt scummy.
    Psycho not reacting at all to me gunning for him at eod felt weird
    Psycho shading me today for an already debunked narrative is meh

    Also, regarding my responses about BK... Idk what else to say? He did scummy things, I flipped the read. I know that the risk of me being wrong is very high, and he did stuff that I dont associate with his wolf game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#2484)
    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#2462)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#2435)
    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#2415)
    gun to head right now is that if wiggles (0) is poisoned mafia, the last is justin or maybeee mac/ultra

    ...this would also mean i had the exact solve day 1, and i'm not sure what the odds of that are, so maybe it's off

    need some time to read through everything before i settle

    my immediate town are april, boq, psycho, stett, & eva

    i think the entire eva wagon is clean except for bk himself

    ricardo and litten break more townie, but i need to reread. mac is a softer townlean and my most inconsistent read, but i've still seen more i liked from him than i dislike as of right now

    ultra... not quite the same place he was day 1 for me after a brad flip, but he has interactions that look good with brad, i just know he's also competent with spew. as wolves we spent a lot of time interacting day 1 so it's not out of his wheelhouse. i think for the most part, though, the pressure points he was hitting brad with feel like he cares about them and they're not pulled out of thin air. this is a slot i'll be working through a lot today

    sultan looks worse after a brad flip for bussing reasons, but sultan on his own was townie to me, so again, will be revisiting
    You are free to suspect me. I refuse to be suspected over players who were largely soft on BK though. I don't think that players who weren't tough on BK are default suspect, but dawg I was on him pretty consistently. Like I said before - a Day 1 scum lynch is terrible. It's one thing if you assume BK got bussed EoD, but if you need to start assuming his mates were gassing him up at some point earlier, because I'm town and I'm fairly certain you/stett/sultan are.

    The only evidence to the contrary for me atm would be a stick kill, but there's currently no trend there
    @Ultra:

    i hear you. i'm not really suspecting you at the moment, just looking at all sides of the glass here

    i've believed you were a villager the majority of this game, your opener to day 2 so far has been believable, and i don't see myself ever voting you here or anytime soon

    you have interactions with bk that look extremely convincing. as far as i'm concerned, we stay masoning
    Trust me, I am kicking myself enough already that my adhd kicked in on him. But hey Psycho might still flip wolf. I do find him picking up in traction today very interesting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#2488)
    Quote Originally Posted by Macdougall (#2433)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#2430)
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    Someone is going to have to explain why April is town because honestly I feel like I am gonna go at him sometime during D2.
    The stuff April went against me for at the last two hours yesterday screams town to me personally tbh
    Which stuff?
    April started scum reading me because I thought I found a Litten scum slip, and because I didnt follow up with that despite doing it in the very next post I wrote (but it took too long according to April). It was an adventurous conversation. I think wolves care more about what they push at eod, especially against a player who is hard town read in the thread.

    Speaking of which,
    I do think players like Wiggles and Psycho have handled me in the way I believe scum would handle me.

    Scum usually dislikes pushing me outright during early game/before eods because my posts usually comes off as rational and logical to them, so it becomes hard to justify a push. Town on the other hand have a knack of either mistrusting me (see Ricardo and April), or just town read me and be done with it. Scum likes to negotiate with me through some weak town reads, and then indirectly shade me when townies shade me, or jump at me when my slot is perceived as vulnerable. This is probably a bunch of mumbo jumbo tbh

    but i will look around at that today I think tbh


    also I saw that you voted Ricardo, whats up with that? I think he is pretty much clear.
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#2490)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#1080)
    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#1078)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#903)
    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#322)
    weirdly. im leaning this atm. peepoSad pussying out of pushing psycho for now ##Vote BlueKang
    Stett, what did you mean when you said you're leaning this? Were you agreeing that people are pussyfooting, or were you leaning me as scum? Like in general I'm kinda confused how this translates to you voting BK.
    @Psycho666Soldier
    You and BK were my top scum after reading SoD but I still don’t think you are ever w/w atm. So more just saying that I was going with the BK angle for now. I’m still waiting on him to come back in with some banger stuff like he insinuated, but it felt like his wagon started, died, he got TRs without much explanation, and he kinda defended himself but froze. I’m def not arguing BK town flip makes you wolf if that’s what you’re wondering. Way too damn early for that sort of w/v nonsense. I just don’t think y’all are wolfing together and rn im still focused on BK till he gives me a reason to unvote him.
    First of all...both town.

    Second of all I still don't get how I haven't done enough? I got going after you made your case, I respected it and responded to it with what I could. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt since we haven't played together ever so I've pulled back.
    Yeah I’m willing to just burn psycho
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#2511)
    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#2489)
    @April_LKD, @Macdougall and anyone else who asked, here's why Psycho is a villager

    from brad's side first:

    - #212 brad doesn't include himself + 1 wolf partner in a post like this with his response to eva
    - #259 white knighting of psycho, strictly unpartnered
    - #321 & #333 def break more towards a wolf read on a villa
    - #1296 & #1362, there's an added layer of comfort here to brad's posting on psycho that has undertones of him knowing psycho is town, ignoring ricardo's alignment altogether
    - #1823 should speak for itself, but let me know if not

    now from psycho's side:

    - #1176 zero reason for psycho to do this if s/s when brad has so much thread heat, and this is further boosted by the fact that psycho takes a strong stance here, it's not even hedgy
    - #1236 don't think he touts the fact that he was the only one to engage in bk's case there if they're wolfbuddies
    - #1620 again, not a partnered behavior when bk is taking heat
    - #1808 would be weird to criticize me voting bk while postcapping given bk's situation at the time
    - #1947 read the $%#!ing votecount at the time of this post. lol. lmao. 6 votes bk and the second highest vote has 2. this is just not something you say if you're wolf and your partner has 6 votes
    There is a categorical breaking point to you pointing out all the interactions where they are openly and aggressively defending each other - wolves still have to win the game. But acknowledged.

    Who do you think from BK's town list earlier is most likely to be a placed partner and why? Obviously some of his town reads are TMI defense, but you can't logically extend this to everyone he has defended. The fact that it can't be universally applied is one of my reasons for doubting this read of Psycho. Because who's to say he's the slid in partner and the rest of what BK did was TMI, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#2519)
    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#2509)
    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#2489)
    @April_LKD, @Macdougall and anyone else who asked, here's why Psycho is a villager

    from brad's side first:

    - #212 brad doesn't include himself + 1 wolf partner in a post like this with his response to eva
    - #259 white knighting of psycho, strictly unpartnered
    - #321 & #333 def break more towards a wolf read on a villa
    - #1296 & #1362, there's an added layer of comfort here to brad's posting on psycho that has undertones of him knowing psycho is town, ignoring ricardo's alignment altogether
    - #1823 should speak for itself, but let me know if not

    now from psycho's side:

    - #1176 zero reason for psycho to do this if s/s when brad has so much thread heat, and this is further boosted by the fact that psycho takes a strong stance here, it's not even hedgy
    - #1236 don't think he touts the fact that he was the only one to engage in bk's case there if they're wolfbuddies
    - #1620 again, not a partnered behavior when bk is taking heat
    - #1808 would be weird to criticize me voting bk while postcapping given bk's situation at the time
    - #1947 read the $%#!ing votecount at the time of this post. lol. lmao. 6 votes bk and the second highest vote has 2. this is just not something you say if you're wolf and your partner has 6 votes
    @Litten:

    read this when you can
    I read this and I think it's very surface level.

    BK was SO trustworthy of Psycho that he... never really talked about the game with Psycho. There was no back-and-forth between the two.

    Go look for yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#2534)
    ##Vote Psycho666Soldier

    This is where I want to start today.

    Psychos end of day was pretty scummy. Anyone but BK seemed to be his mentality.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#2543)
    Quote Originally Posted by Macdougall (#2535)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#2527)
    Oh boy here we go.

    I knew you'd be very paranoid of me the whole game, Mac. Heck I've seen you as town and I'm paranoid of you :P

    You've found my town moments a few times already so I trust you'll do it again.

    I should really stop wasting posts on this as well.
    Yeah if you're town (or mafia) you are in dire need of finding some actual reads on other people. I don't even know who you sus.
    I'd say an immediate suspect is April. I didn't really enjoy Ultra but apparently it was based a bit on a misunderstanding and most of my reason to scumread them was based on that. Psycho had that scummy post I mentioned and it seems people are finding interactions with BK that look scummy so it's worth a read.

    That's basicly where I'm at now.

    Actually have quite a few towns / people I wouldn't bother with right now:

    - Boquise
    - evakyoo
    - Sultan
    - wiggles (will flip soon completely pointless to wonder about this slot)
    - you
    - Litten (as long as you're town I trust you and honestly I might just trust you on this even if you're scum)
    - didistetter might be a reach but probably someone I wouldn't bother with too much today unless something happens


    The thought I have with this ultimately is that scum is most likely to see the level 1 and push the agenda that I look paired with BK for defending him so hard and him defending me. I don't think town couldn't come to the same conclusion, but I expect most town to at least consider the world where I'm town because they'd see how way too obvious it could be for BK and I to treat each other like that. Whereas scum is more likely to be thinking of who they can push after a wolf flip.

    On that note, I particularly haven't liked April's approach to pushing me up to this point.
  36. Completed I didn't really want to use up all that time...

    I didn't really want to use up all that time arguing with Boq because I'm not completely sure how I feel about it coming out of it. I think we've butted heads very similarly as v/v in other games so I want to give that some credit. And I do respect that he hasn't just bullrushed into me all phase. I dunno, we'll see where I land but I gotta focus on sound design for a bit
  37. Completed No, I never said this came up on D2. You taking...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3083)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3080)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3076)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3071)
    Boq, it feels like you're overly concerned with my read on you and your reason for sussing me is such a micro thing when there's way more context to consider.
    thats a weird feeling imo
    it is also not your read on me per se, it is what you wrote at that point.

    You know that I look at things other people consider micro.

    The poe is pretty tight rn so I will need to look at it and say it.
    However I am voting Ultra now so your feeling is pretty weird?? Like, what is "overly concerned", really? Addressing it and having a conversation with you about it, where 90% of our convo has been about understanding each others' contexts? This is not necessarily scummy since I know people in general on mu quickly go "you're overly concerned" when you have written like 3 posts about something they consider small tbh

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3072)

    Make me write it.

    From my PoV my effort will probably be wasted on a day where the flip is almost guaranteed Psycho/Justin. I have you firmly in my PoE. I will before this day ends at least point out some cliff notes of why you never should be taken out, but basically going dummy on you would be performative at this point.

    Turn the difficulty spider up and I will be forced to respond. Otherwise think I'm gonna eat snacks until Litten dumps his info.
    all talk no muscle i see tbh
    i will go back to reading then tbh
    The reason why it feels weird is because I haven't had a lot of posts today. It feels like if you had these doubts, you'd in the least take a look at them to see if my D2 is ringing any bells for you. But instead, you saw the one post where I talked about you and shaded me for it instead of actually reading me and see what else I'm saying. And the micro thing you're pushing me for bothers me because up until I commented about your Litten vote, you had been reading me with a level of grace that showed you didn't trust me fully but also didn't outright scumread me. You also acknowledged the mindmeld which in my opinion holds a lot of value. I dunno, you said you thought I was pocketing you yesterday(which I don't know where you got that from) so maybe you thought I was copying your thought process? But I literally hadn't even got to that post yet and I think looking at my ISO and progress of catching up at the time proves that.

    That second point got a bit off track, but what I was getting at was that your read on me felt appropriately measured up until I cast some doubt on your slot, and since then I've been one of your primary suspects, with seemingly(I haven't seen all your d2 posts yet) no consideration for the couple things you liked or anything else that I've done.

    Like can you see how that weirds me out with how well we know each other and with your guilt about our last finale? I would hope town!Boq here wouldn't jump to weak shading and making me your primary suspect out of the gate.
    None of your D2 posts prior to this addressed my problem. I will therefore be unable to walk away from the problem until it is addressed.
    You are acting as if my "micro thing" was something I came up with today on D2. This problem occured after you posted the shade.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1835)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#1824)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1822)
    udnuebexpectations
    hinderdande
    for people to find toy

    hjälp
    I am god at making typos
    okay tbh
    i will try to express what i am having troubles with tbh

    when i read your solvey posts, it is like looking at a modernist prose poem. The words are everywhere and I have a very hard time following your line of thought tbh

    what do you think of April, Sultan and Psycho shading me for voting you? I think that they seem completely AGHAST that I'd vote a *gasp* vanity wagon tbh
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1842)
    also i wrote like 10000 words and on several players and had fancy vote patterns and the focus is the vote

    smfh
    and so on so forth

    It is the little things that catches my attention. Just like what made me reverse my read on BK wasnt any fancy post where I get lost in track and "hmm" at the words, but the little things.


    Considering that you have been in the middle of my reads through the whole game
    Considering that the poe is very tight in this D2
    Considering that I am only capable of doing one-two tasks at a time effectively
    I think it is fair to explore a little thing and have a conversation about it.

    I unvoted you today as a respect to Clouds' read. I am currently not voting you. I think based on POE you are a likely scum suspect. Everyone town reading you at sod2 gave me pause, but I still determined that I should vote you and see what happens, which I did.

    I do have guilt for our last finale. But I also have guilt for showing mercy to wolves in every single town game I play. Town!Boq saw Psycho weak shade him, and town!Boq like following up on leads. You are acting like I have already decided my verdict on you, and honestly this argument is super semantic so it has started to bore me tbh
    No, I never said this came up on D2. You taking issue with me taking issue with your Litten vote is totally valid and I think a good reason to look into someone that EOD. But it doesn't feel like you've done that with the way you came into D2. That's what's bothering me. You just admitted that you can see town doing what I did, so the reason why it bothers me that you aren't taking my other posts into consideration is because if town can talk about your Litten vote like I did, that you would look at the rest of my posts to see if they're towny or not on their own merit and how it measures up against your concerns about the Litten vote. There's nothing I can say directly addressing the Litten vote that's going to change your mind on that, so I would hope you'd take the time to actually look into me holistically and not just focus on the one time I might have incorrectly got pinged by you because of a vote.

    I agree this argument is probably getting us nowhere as you're not actively pushing me and I'm not ready to vote you off all this, and if we're town, I'd rather not waste time bickering. I can see why you're concerned about me, but I hope you can also understand why I have concerns about you.
  38. Completed I do feel like you're blowing it out of...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3082)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3075)
    You're implying that I spent EOD saying I was fine voting you or something. I made a comment based on things I was reading and gut pings. It wasn't meant to be some massive indictment or a setup to push you like you're painting it as. And the fact you can't seem to see that or give it any grace doesn't feel right for you.

    That's all fair as far as the value, and like I said I see it as valid reasons why you would do it as town. But that doesn't lock the vote as a towny vote considering the context of how you were reading eva at the time. You're acting like no one should have ever got a ping from that vote when that's just unrealistic.
    No I am saying that you wanted to fish for people to suss me at the very point you wrote that post, c'mon psycho. Your post was written pre-eod even iirc. Theres no me saying you "spent eod". Idk how you got to this conclusion.

    I am currently feeling like you are making it sound like I am blowing this out of proportion. You use words like "massive indictment", "spent EOD" and then finish with "you cant seem to see that [your thing was a small thing]" as a reason to sus me. When the premise of my ):< feelings is precisely "psycho made a very small point that looks weird to me". Language like this reads as manipulative or at least insincere to me tbh

    I'm going to try to make myself as clear as possible. And if you still oversize what I am saying, or just dont believe it, then fine. I will spend my resources elsewhere.

    Disclaimer, this is all based on how I perceive this game, games in general, and wolf play. Since the argument is about my perception, anyone else's perception is irrelevant.
    1. I get shaded by two players for a vote.
    2. You arrive and loosely agree with them.
    3. Wolves tend to like to make small, innocent-looking comments, to create incitements for town to look unfavourably at that thing
    4. If it works, the first two players shading will look the worst. Your comment will be lost since it was inside a larger text.
    5. Imo, town!Psycho shouldnt have an issue seeing why I would vote Litten there.

    Could you still do it as town? Yeah sure. But it is better for me to address a problem and push it to see what happens, then go and fence-sit in my lonesome.

    And to be super clear.
    I am not saying it is a big part of your play.
    I am not saying you spent your EOD actively saying you want me to be voted.
    I do not see this as a massive indictment or a setup to push me.
    I am not saying that no one should have ever got a ping from that vote

    I have clearly said that I town read April for getting a ping from that vote.
    I have also given Sultan a bit of town cred for it too.
    I am saying that wolves tend to like pulling out some subtle hooks and bait and see whichever gets bitten.


    Also, gameplay-wise, I find it ridic that I would have to lock myself into voting a singular player and ignore every other ping I get. Just because I do not vote Eva at that point doesnt mean that I have dropped Eva.

    I hope this clears all misunderstandings tbh
    I do feel like you're blowing it out of proportion though. I dunno, maybe this is just a semantics thing where you say one thing with certain words and it sounds heavier than it does, but the switch that flipped when I made that post felt way stronger than deserved. Your language in the first half of this phase implied I was your #1 scumread largely off that one thing when it takes no consideration for my inability to keep up with EOD which is pretty clear, since you're keeping tabs on how I treated you and reacted to you that EOD. Like it feels like you saw that one post as some strong scumtell with absolutely no regard with how I treated the rest of that EOD. I'm not gonna get into arguments about how I think I'd play that as scum, but can you at least admit that my one comment about your Litten vote is a very narrow and unfair scope to judge me on? And so yeah, I'm not gonna feel great about you from that. I see that you are voting Ultra, I saw that you respected the townreads on me and looked elsewhere. I acknowledge all that. It doesn't change the fact that your initial approach to me today doesn't sit right with me, regardless of whether I get over it or not.

    All of your numbered points there are fine and make sense to look into me, but not to make me your #1 suspect imo, but I get we're not gonna see eye to eye on that. Just like I don't agree with point #5 because no, the vote on Litten was weird at the time, regardless of your intentions behind it. It was an incentive for ME, not anyone else, to look into you when I had the chance, not to write you off as scum or to make other people vote you. I can see why you see it that way, yes, but that's not what happened and I still think your mood switch after that is hard to parse as towny.

    And to be clear, I don't think you had to be locked into voting a single player. I didn't say that.
  39. Completed The reason why it feels weird is because I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3076)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3071)
    Boq, it feels like you're overly concerned with my read on you and your reason for sussing me is such a micro thing when there's way more context to consider.
    thats a weird feeling imo
    it is also not your read on me per se, it is what you wrote at that point.

    You know that I look at things other people consider micro.

    The poe is pretty tight rn so I will need to look at it and say it.
    However I am voting Ultra now so your feeling is pretty weird?? Like, what is "overly concerned", really? Addressing it and having a conversation with you about it, where 90% of our convo has been about understanding each others' contexts? This is not necessarily scummy since I know people in general on mu quickly go "you're overly concerned" when you have written like 3 posts about something they consider small tbh

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3072)

    Make me write it.

    From my PoV my effort will probably be wasted on a day where the flip is almost guaranteed Psycho/Justin. I have you firmly in my PoE. I will before this day ends at least point out some cliff notes of why you never should be taken out, but basically going dummy on you would be performative at this point.

    Turn the difficulty spider up and I will be forced to respond. Otherwise think I'm gonna eat snacks until Litten dumps his info.
    all talk no muscle i see tbh
    i will go back to reading then tbh
    The reason why it feels weird is because I haven't had a lot of posts today. It feels like if you had these doubts, you'd in the least take a look at them to see if my D2 is ringing any bells for you. But instead, you saw the one post where I talked about you and shaded me for it instead of actually reading me and see what else I'm saying. And the micro thing you're pushing me for bothers me because up until I commented about your Litten vote, you had been reading me with a level of grace that showed you didn't trust me fully but also didn't outright scumread me. You also acknowledged the mindmeld which in my opinion holds a lot of value. I dunno, you said you thought I was pocketing you yesterday(which I don't know where you got that from) so maybe you thought I was copying your thought process? But I literally hadn't even got to that post yet and I think looking at my ISO and progress of catching up at the time proves that.

    That second point got a bit off track, but what I was getting at was that your read on me felt appropriately measured up until I cast some doubt on your slot, and since then I've been one of your primary suspects, with seemingly(I haven't seen all your d2 posts yet) no consideration for the couple things you liked or anything else that I've done.

    Like can you see how that weirds me out with how well we know each other and with your guilt about our last finale? I would hope town!Boq here wouldn't jump to weak shading and making me your primary suspect out of the gate.
  40. Completed Up to this point, April has had a very...

    Quote Originally Posted by April_LKD (#2450)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1174)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#1140)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#1137)
    ##Vote Ricardo



    No complaints I guess lol I can make it to EoD! :P


    Very awkward first two posts trying to joke about SOD/EOD time before posting his Sonic Frontiers song on the third post. Didn't understand why this was necessary besides "trying to act natural and fit in."


    Imagine unironically townreading the wolf who carried sf3

    Gadoosh

    ##Vote Ultra

    Now Mac, I know this will be hard to believe but

    I am actually town this time!!!


    Appealing to Mac after he talks about him slightly.


    wait was your game not like this or something??

    hmm could be a wolf wanting us to be nicer to eo? wolves want to look like theyre the nice person in the room
    like i didnt think many games were toxic soooo minus ultras sf3 apparently.

    i also forgot u were here for some reason. ur pfp is just jarring.

    i believe the pm thing (i do it in half my games)

    evakyoo

    I'm sorry

    I'm going to light scumread you now

    Nothing concrete but your last 3 (something) posts have not been great to me, I think you're making early reads up a bit.


    How are they not great?
    You obviously need to play a turbo. BlueKang can confirm this is how we play turbos @BlueKang isn't that right sweaty (and I'm town for it, back me up right now)

    And why would you apologise for a scum read help

    I said right after, I think you're making up reads

    At the same time I played 1 turbo and it was madness (not role madness) so idk could be that too.

    I'm willing of course to give you time to not produce made up reads.

    And I guess I'm sorry because we're friends and I'm going against you so early? I don't know lol you guys are right it was a bit silly to apologize


    The moment of apologizing to Eva for scumreading her, and then instantly backs up on the idea of apologizing after Eva and Wiggles are wondering why he's apologizing already.


    I can’t believe you guys are letting Eva and psycho get away with classic theater as they plot to murder some rando’s in wolf chat

    I accept this assessment but Psycho seems towny to me right now

    But then again Psycho why the hell are you ISOing people already jesus christ

    You really are a Psycho.


    Ricardo's read on Psycho switches almost lightning fast because the dude calls Psycho town answering someone else.

    Then changes because Psycho is iso'ing people...


    Better get your scumdar fixed

    We might need a LAMIST counter.


    pls use commas so i can read it help
    i do agree w lamist lmfao

    This is funny considering Psycho's following post is also LAMIST.

    I figure a scum would be more self aware about this.


    Needs more Psycho votes

    People pussyfooting too much

    Do you usually LAMIST so much or what's the deal here


    3 times Ricardo calls something that Psycho posts "LAMIST." When in reality they're not really that LAMIST? One is just a form of "you're wrong" the others are just defenses and being aggressive in defense.


    The funniest part is that I did exactly that vote stunt in semis except I was going to be yeeted and it was EoD so perhaps the stakes were a bit higher.

    Psycho is striking me as extremely performative though. Unsure if that word is correct. Probably not. I did my best


    Finally changes to "performative" slightly after I ask him about it on #259.

    Also a slight Ladd Tell using something he did as scum in a past game in order to scumread someone. ������


    Yes. Your read was off from my expectations from an early day 1. I also think a town needs to consider who would be able to help contribute to your read - we want to read people correctly, and I'd like you to cooperate with people who have more experience on the matter.

    There are 5 people that played with Ricardo, which means not all of us can be scum. So if you direct your read to all of us, only up to 3 people can lie about their perspective on it.

    This feels like something I'd say as wolf dohoho
    It doesn't even "feel" like it, this is something I would 100% say as wolf.

    You're blowing the whole Ricardo situation say out of proportion.


    This isn't about you, it's about Psycho not giving a $%#!.

    Sorry.

    You're blowing the whole Psycho situation way out of proportion.


    So Eva and Ultra are talking about the stuff with Psycho and his responses to Ultra.

    Ricardo comes in talking about blowing the Ricardo situation out of proportion.

    And then is corrected by Eva and changes the joke to match.

    This feels like mafia being paranoid of getting talked about and trying to fan the flames but it's not actually a thing.



    h-h-hey sf3 players is it ok if I t-t-town read Ricardo


    I just wanted to say that LOL I’m not TRing Ricardo yet

    to answer your question ric - I meant that everything that ultra has posted thus far is within both his scum and town repertoire, and that I haven’t seen anything yet that pings me as actively wolfy which is why I’m not voting him despite calling him out on that tr on you. So yea he’s null


    I'm not satisfied with this response. It doesn't answer the link between the scum playstyle which can't be identified yet and reading someone null. Pretty generic reason to justify a null read as well.

    Welcome to my scum reads!


    Then Ricardo takes a joke post from Stick, which she derived from Ultra at #222 and made a joke of, and adds her to his scumreads.


    Hey everyone, those were some posts, I have the feeling a lot of people are going to postcap this game

    What I gathered was:

    - Mac is going to be hard to deal with + he's trying to solve so probably town for now (altough my only scum sample from him is when he was tomfoolering and my only town sample from him is when I wasn't seriously solving)

    - Why is Ultra so agitated people don't agree with his townread on me and scumread on eva, it's obviously weird but it's also weird from scum's viewpoint I think. Still, why, it's early game, nobody cares, those reads will change most likely anyways.

    - For people saying eva is energetic and therefore town, please do not fall for that. Very NAI for evakyoo.

    - I forgot half the stuff I read already.

    I'm on my phone and on travels today so won't be posting an essay on why Modbot is scum or anything like that but will post here and there. I will read everything again and post to stuff as I see it again like I usually do.


    Comes back, non-read on Mac, shuts down Evakyoo townreads, 4th line literally just nothing.


    Ricardo ( I don’t really understand the TR here yet ngl. Everything feels p in line with his semis)

    1 person is TR'ing me. If anything consensus is that I'm Scum.

    How is my play here in line with semis?


    Overly conscious of how people are reading him...


    Sure.

    I think your issues with Eva are reasonable and encourage you to pursue them as you feel the need. I find their reads agreeable with mine and at this stage that makes me comfortable giving them a page 4 townlean.

    I found you pingy initially but the pressure on you is there, and I can imagine that if I place you under more pressure it's going to be hard for you to solve in a way that enables me to see you if you are town. If you are town, I'd like to find it.

    I think Bluekang is fairly likely town. I'm narrowing my focus to his wagon because of that. I want my pressure to remain on a Bluekang voter for now and felt like Stett's vote wasn't great.

    I am mostly just gathering data at this stage.

    I'd say this lacks agenda and is therefore a town Mac post, particularly the last line.

    I think scum Mac wouldn't be afraid of pushing agenda already. Or maybe he's being subtle about it.


    Starts to townlean Mac but hedges it in the same post.


    If someone could make me a scumread I'd appreciate it, I cleared my weekend to focus on this game and I'd love to make it to day two

    LAMIST

    Some people are being particularly LAMIST this game, like Psycho and April.

    I think that there are some standout players that will be NK targets even if you're townread a lot. I don't think this post makes sense for you right now.


    Another one on the LAMIST counter this time on April but brings Psycho back up...


    though man, if ricardo's town, his read distribution as of #276 is polar opposite from how i like to play as town

    i'm better at id'ing town than i am at id'ing scum by far, and it's easier for me to build a list of confident town and solve out from there

    I do this all the time as both alignments.

    also my reads suck


    First line is whatever but second line is a subtle "trying to lower expectations" line.


    Something I feel has been off for several posts is that you keep pressuring/s reading Ultra, but the indirect focus is topic "Ricardo is actually a wolf", so you are pushing Ultra on the basis that he is town reading Ricardo whom you scum read. You also put yourself in expert position of Ricardo's alignment.

    Uh idk how to word it. Like. Ricardo becomes like the gloves you use to punch Ultra? All of this is sorta off.

    ##Vote evakyoo

    You put into words what I couldn't


    Trying to use Boq's explanation to continue his scumread on Eva.


    Why is Eva scummy iyo?

    I think she pushed too much on the Ultra townreading me situation. Plus she feels agressive and performative (really do not know if I'm using the term correctly). I have also played with her as both town and scum and while I am not the biggest fan of meta I will admit that this is influencing my opinion. Evakyoo's town game was very focused on bringing town together, working together, finding town. Evakyoo's scum game was more focused on shutting down people, more individualistic, and I think she's playing much more like that right now.


    Finally explains thoroughly why he scumreads Eva. Adds generic reasoning early in it. Then the second half of it is an explanation of Eva's game thus far that I don't feel like is that truthful compared to what she was doing?

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    OVERALL RICARDO'S GAME JUST DOESN'T REALLY FEEL RIGHT? SEEMS TO BE REALLY GOING AFTER PLAYERS BUT THE REASONS AND EXPLANATIONS JUST DON'T WORK OR THEY'RE A SELECT FEW REASONS THAT ARE REPEATED BUZZWORDS OR AREN'T TRUE TO WHAT HAS HAPPENED DURING THE GAME.

    I HAVE A PRETTY DECENT FEELING THAT RICARDO IS MAF!
    @Psycho666Soldier @Stick @wiggles1993 @Boquise @April_LKD @Macdougall @evakyoo @didistetter
    I think this is ultimately a really good case, though a couple things:

    I don't think the "Psycho is Psycho" thing was meant as an alignment read, but that's sort of irrelevant as he jumps to shading me right after that.

    I don't think Ric voted Stick for the joke part of her post, I'm pretty sure he was responding the spoiler. Though I do feel the reason was a bit contrived because Stick's explanation seemed fine enough that it wasn't worth scumreading and don't her explanation contradicted her previous takes on Ultra's meta

    To be honest, p#672 where he explains his read on eva felt a little towny to me. Like the meta comparison makes sense and I think kinda matches. So unless he's like blatantly lying I don't really see that reasoning as scummy. I don't think it can't be scum, but for me that's a post in his favor.

    The bit about "blowing the Ricardo situation out of proportion" is a good catch, as Ricardo seems incredibly self-conscious of his thread position.

    And as I mentioned not long ago, it does feel a bit like Ricardo is trying to throw shade wherever he can get away with it and seems more focused on that then townreads.

    So ultimately I support the vote and might hop on.
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1176)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#1165)
    Jokes aside his response here seems rather poor. He may be a necessary flip just reading the room. His attitude towards this game does seem a bit survivalist. Just about nothing brought up in that case stirred me all that much. Feel like BK was pretty much a wall flower before charging his spirit bomb of a case and now he's entered the thread with newfound confidence, might be indicative that he genuinely thinks he has something but he seems almost a bit too cocky.

    Gonna re-ISO Ricardo anyway
    Personally I think that case and energy that you described puts BK as a strong town for me. It's about how he carries it going forward, but I'm not too sure I see BK making that case and bullrushing it full force and with this much gusto if he was scum. I know he has strong games in him, but this early I think scum!BK is more content to blend with the crowd.
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1179)
    ##Vote Ricardo
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1199)
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#1194)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1193)
    Can you talk about how your read progressed on BK from thinking he's scum to voting with him against Ricardo?
    When did i think BK was scum? Begin of the game ish? Or you mean when I question his vote on Me since it seemed. Similar to how he miss judged me last game.

    But either way BK I think is showing the most attempt to solve. And reminds me more the town game then the one scum game is played with him. So sorta a meta read if you have to call it something
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#337)
    I actually think that didi might be on to something about BK
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#343)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#339)
    Honestly kinda stole the words out of my mouth in regards to trying to copy his own process. I used my town game as a direct template last game when I was scum and BK is giving me the impression of being superficially similar but lacking impact.

    Why, for example, has he not given any comment on his vote/read on me? I snowed him last game. I probably deserve more than a cliff note or OMGUS. It doesn't even register to me as paranoia, it's just ???

    Let's run him up Sultan. Trust me bro. I'm not leading you astray this time. Pinky promise!!!

    You know what yeah im game for this ##Vote BlueKang
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#347)
    My biggest issue with BK is that Read list just seems meh
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#351)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#72)
    Liking Eva's energy so far this game, putting her in towns.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#129)
    Yeah I'm leaning you town already.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#314)
    Townread:
    Evakyoo
    Psycho666Soldier


    Townlean:
    April_LKD



    Evakyoo - Feel like she's had the most energy in this group so far, has looked excited upon game start which is all positive to me. Posts like #65 trying to pull a read off of a small comment, #87 an example of engaging with people with small questions, her read on me and attempting to get me going has felt good.

    PsychoSoldier - Handling of Stick feels pretty fair got posts like #125 where he's explaining what he feels regarding Stick but is still trying to give her a fair shot and gives her a question about others. #133 question to Sultan and I feel like the "besides previous paranoia" part of the question makes me feel like he's trying to understand more to Sultan's read on Ultra.

    -

    April_LKD - Feels to be solving at his own pace, seems to have stuck around throughout the majority of this SOD so far this game and has overall felt comfortable in the thread.


    Idk why but this just fells flat based on the progression
    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#388)
    Quote Originally Posted by Stick (#373)
    @SultanOfSlam why do you find it meh? Am I correct to assume that means you found it underwhelming? Isn’t there something to be said about BK going against the grain with his psycho read? Shouldn’t that make it not-underwhelming?
    I mean going against the grain is fine but still. Idk what do you like about it to answer your question with a question


    The first 12+ hours of the game and over half of the game thread yes. What changed between that and this:

    Quote Originally Posted by SultanOfSlam (#1049)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#1047)
    Hi randy.. I think you're town again. I think I worked it out and see similar stuff to what I did last game from you. Who should we look into more? Also do you still not trust me this game like last game?
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1526)
    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#1508)
    Psycho can you give me GtH reads on justin, april, and bk please?
    I think they're all town. BK has steadily ramped up in content and I think has sustained an energy level I would expect from him as town. While I think some of the Ric case was confbias, I do get the feeling he believes it. Especially with the way he was begging for everyone to read it. That damn near locked him as town for me.

    I keep going back and forth on April because I do feel his d1 had been stilted for a long time, putting more energy into filler-y posts and just kind of commenting on people getting reads too soon and using that as an excuse to not fully engage. But I did find the explanation in p#338 to be towny and I think it and his general stance on the matter only really looks bad if Ultra and/or Sultan are his partners. In which case he'd be trying to avoid reading/voting them but not knowing where to push or feeling influential enough to make one. I liked the way he addressed Ultra about meta and the nuance in p#428 of recognizing issues with eva whole simultaneously not liking Ultra being overconfident about the meta. Another thing that only really looks bad to me if eva is scum. I felt p#791 was fairly towny in the way he wanted to try and substantiate the gutread/scumpings that he couldn't quite remember, and I like that he acknowledges posts that look good/that he agrees with. I think p#796, though, is his towniest. I like the way that he went to look at what eva was posting to see if Ric's thought made sense. There's a lot of room there to outright bury Ric and think it shows him trying to just get it because it want the impression he had from eva's posts. Again, if eva ends up flipping wolf, I'd heavily evaluate and wonder if he was maybe doing some distanced defense, but I'm not there yet nor do I think it locks April as scum.

    I'm probably townleaning Justin too soon and without the gth he's more on the positive side of null. I don't have a lot of individual posts that strike me as towny, it's just kind of vibes and tempering my volume expectations with the fact that he's legit busy IRL. I did think p#509 was towny on my first read, even if I kinda wish he looked up the progression himself. I also vibed with his explanation on wiggles last night. This is one I want to let develop more, but I don't have an urge to chop him today. And I'm not really keen on how wiggles came to voting Justin so I'm not sure if the wagon is pure.

    Where are your reads on them right now?
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1620)
    Quote Originally Posted by Stick (#1618)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1613)
    someone didnt read my long $%#! read review post smh tbh ):

    he is still a town read, but April asked for my strongest reads.

    gotta use my last posts wisely now tbh
    ah yeah fair enough



    Quote Originally Posted by Clouds (#1614)
    and you might be right

    keeping my vote here for the time being, kinda want to vote brad more, just wanted to test the waters
    science

    ##Vote BlueKang

    btw i tried looking for that scumcase sultan brought up, from the adpat 6 practice game, to compare it to the ric case but apparently the site got $%#!ed over mid game and a good chunk of posts got eaten?? lmfao. i didnt find any scumcases by brad in that game
    Why BK over anyone else?
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1947)
    I'm against the BK wagon
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1993)
    Quote Originally Posted by Macdougall (#1966)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1947)
    I'm against the BK wagon
    Why?
    Because I've found him as town throughout this whole phase. I worried he might have had TMI on me, but I think his energy level has sustained in a way that's towny. I think while the case on Ricardo wasn't airtight, it still felt like he believed it, especially with the way he was trying to get people to engage with it. I also think if he was a wolf there would have been someone signal boosting his posts, but no one really did and only like 3 of us(including Ric) interacted with it.

    Just not really seeing a scum BK here
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#2086)
    Wagon comp on BK doesn't feel great


    These are noteworthy Psycho posts post-BK's-Ric-casing that read like a wolf softly trying to support a teammate.
    Up to this point, April has had a very one-tracked thought process on me with little nuance and no consideration for my posts independently.
  41. Completed You're implying that I spent EOD saying I was...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3070)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3056)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3049)
    Ultra: step into the ring boq
    Boq: ok *steps into ring*
    Ultra: i might use 2% of my power to diss you
    Boq: do it
    Ultra: no youre so weak so i cba
    Boq:


    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3047)
    I literally talked about it all day yesterday. For someone who's been accusing me of "should have a better read on your EOD" despite my obvious issues with being present last phase, this is a hell of an oversight.

    I liked the way he ramped up into solving and thought he believed in the Ric case. Him pinging people and asking for constant engagement enforced that for me.

    Boq, if you're town, you have to do better than this.
    I've just about to read up on the eod, so honestly I do not remember that. The problem is that your vote on Eva comes super late, so you are not really helping your town read BK there, which is why I question it.

    And no, you are misunderstanding my accusations of you. I am accusing you of being wolfy for agreeing with April and Sultan that my Litten vote is bad (and then doing nothing about it), when you should know the value of it. I am accusing you of ignoring me on eod when I started calling for you to get votes, because that is a wolf tactic I have observed.

    I have also given me the right to be a hypocrite all in the name of solving tbh!
    I guess you'll see it, but I didn't really want to vote eva. I felt like she was being kinda towny from what I saw of her EOD, so I was stuck between a rock and a hard place. I ultimately read BK as town stronger so I tried something at the last minute, but I wasn't really liking any of the wagons that EOD. Lol me because BK was scum and now I'm wishing I at least pushed wiggles harder.

    But see, that's my point. I wasn't shading you and didn't have time to actually read the post because EOD was flying by faster than I could keep up, and I knew reading that post would just make it worst. I avoided most big posts because of that. I didn't like the Litten vote, but it wasn't like "oh, Boq is def scum, let me push on that" because I respect you and don't want to push you on a snapread during the chaos of EOD without further context, but there was no way I was gonna get further context unless I sacrificed keeping up with EOD at all. Which at the time felt like a bad choice.

    What was the value of it? I can theorize reasons why you might have done it as town, but I don't think it was clearcut unless you maybe read the post. To be clear, I looked at vote count, saw you were voting Litten, was like "wtf where'd that come from," then clicked the vote to see the post and was like "$%#!, I don't have time to read all this." Again, I wasn't going to just push you because you made one vote I didn't like. I still remembered and valued the mindmeld. I still do, but that's dropping with some of this.
    yeah i remember you saying that tbh

    i feel like it is shade though. In the sense that, it isnt pushy shade, but it amplifies something two other people have just pointed out. I understand that you wouldnt have the time to read that post. It was like 45 minutes before eod so (took way too long to write). But the problem is then to passively agree with that take without reading the context. Thats odd to me.

    The value of voting Litten at that point is:
    1) I thought Litten could be scum and theres never a better time than now to vote a scum read
    2) it was at least 45 minutes before eod so... (here we get to 3)
    3) it creates reactions inside the thread, can change the dynamic, without it being chaotic eod yet
    4) it can potentially help me read Litten (which it did), it could also potentially help me read others.
    You're implying that I spent EOD saying I was fine voting you or something. I made a comment based on things I was reading and gut pings. It wasn't meant to be some massive indictment or a setup to push you like you're painting it as. And the fact you can't seem to see that or give it any grace doesn't feel right for you.

    That's all fair as far as the value, and like I said I see it as valid reasons why you would do it as town. But that doesn't lock the vote as a towny vote considering the context of how you were reading eva at the time. You're acting like no one should have ever got a ping from that vote when that's just unrealistic.
  42. Completed Boq, it feels like you're overly concerned with...

    Boq, it feels like you're overly concerned with my read on you and your reason for sussing me is such a micro thing when there's way more context to consider.
  43. Completed Have you bothered to look at my posts today at...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3064)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3058)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#2395)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#2377)
    EOD evakyoo Voters

    I didn't really get to read Boq's EOD posts in-depth as of writing this, but I already talked about now if eva is town, I don't exactly like Boq's approach towards her. I'd have to verify the truth of the matter, but eva being frustrated at Boq not engaging with her reads genuine and also if true is not a great look from Boq. I dunno, I need to verify this with a read of him because he's the person's EOD I have less general feel of.

    April...uhhh, I don't really have anything on April? Could be a partner, but I don't have much recollection of his EOD posts. Noted that not once did he vote BK.

    Either of these could be scum tbh, but I'm not ready to jump at either without looking a little deeper. Especially considering I was townreading them before.
    Psycho, this is partly why I am having issues with your slot.

    Yesterday when April and Sultan questioned my Litten vote, you harped on to that shade when you should be experienced enough to know what I was doing. You then didn't do anything about that, and ignored me putting you on as a vote possibility (which I think can be scummy, because it is easier to ignore a lone townie's voice than to react, and I believe town are likelier to react)

    And now you go "Hmmm yeh if it is true that Boq ignored Eva then that's a bad look", harping onto something that is already a confirmed untruth to make me viable. Since you actually read my posts yesterday, you should know that I engaged with Eva's posts, talked about them extensively.

    My EOD should also be pretty clear to follow.
    You read that I said I want to confirm for my own eyes if that's the truth about you and eva, yeah? Or that I said you guys could be scum but you weren't my first priority.

    Why did you single out this post and pay no mind to my other posts about EOD? This feels very near-sighted.
    Because I pressed a page button and that post was the top of that page and I got curious and you just posted so i thought wynaut tbh
    Have you bothered to look at my posts today at all? Or my ISO? How much of my d1 have you read/do you remember?
  44. Completed Yeah, I saw you say that it's probably scum who...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#3059)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3047)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3040)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3036)
    Interesting is a wolves favorite word.

    Seeing all these kiddos with their walls has been inspiring. Might get out my pen and pad and write my disscase on you. Make me use more than 2% of my power today
    i know tbh, thats why I highlighted it tbh

    i think that would be helpful tbh! But kinda lame to do it in response to me sussing you. Why so passive? Like, if you think I can be a wolf, you should dunk away

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3037)
    Because I thought BK was town
    why
    I literally talked about it all day yesterday. For someone who's been accusing me of "should have a better read on your EOD" despite my obvious issues with being present last phase, this is a hell of an oversight.

    I liked the way he ramped up into solving and thought he believed in the Ric case. Him pinging people and asking for constant engagement enforced that for me.

    Boq, if you're town, you have to do better than this.
    There's a post you made during EoD that stuck with me:

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#2017)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo (#2003)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#1993)
    Because I've found him as town throughout this whole phase. I worried he might have had TMI on me, but I think his energy level has sustained in a way that's towny. I think while the case on Ricardo wasn't airtight, it still felt like he believed it, especially with the way he was trying to get people to engage with it. I also think if he was a wolf there would have been someone signal boosting his posts, but no one really did and only like 3 of us(including Ric) interacted with it.

    Just not really seeing a scum BK here
    Or maybe he wanted people to engage with it so that he could bury me with no hope of coming back.

    Which was almost the case. And he certainly felt like he had done that.
    I'm not seeing that here personally. I think if he did it as wolf he did it to look towny, not bury you, and I feel like he'd be a bit more reserved about it.
    Yeah, I saw you say that it's probably scum who said that. Are you asking me a question, or...?
  45. Completed I guess this is an easy derpclear to make, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Macdougall (#2424)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#2371)
    EOD BlueKang Voters

    I don't think Ric's reactions to BK are partner reactions

    Sultan/BK maybe would feel a need to distance/bus early, but Sultan easily could have voted wiggles or one of Ricardo/Justin. I'd have to double check where his reads were at, and I could see fear if townread Ric before and was worried about pressure from town!wiggles. But I lean it as a good look. Especially because I'm pretty sure BK was on the Sultan wagon for a long time before voting Ric.

    I think Mac went too hard at BK when he really didn't need to. He starts in EOD with a POE that's in no urgent service to scum agenda considering BK was in the POE, Mac didn't show real interest in voting the other relevant wagons, and then proceeded to bury BK.

    stett could...maybe be a bus. It's arguable she was trying to walk BK through a conversation where he could end up looking more towny, because she unvotes pretty early and then doesn't vote BK until the last 10 minutes. But eh, I still think stett is just town.

    I'd need to take a deeper look at eva and BK's relationship and exactly how BK was acting around voting eva. Off memory I think he was begging people to join him, which on the surface makes Eva look clean. And I think BK's early townread there probably comes from a sense of TMI. I also think Eva was going kinda hard at BK? There's a possibility they realized there was no hope of stopping a mafia chop so they decided to cross vote and clear the other, but eh, not sure I'm seeing that here? Most likely busser so far, but not in a strong way.

    ADDENDUM: I gotta admit that eva's early interactions with BK could be theater? Something about p#119 kinda comes off like she knows BK is scum and knows he's had an underwhelming start so has to say this. Or even like they talked in scum chat before about how they can play on the fact that they should be able to read each other early. But ehhhh it also could be a good sign that Eva is town with sharp meta. Especially because without looking this second, BK's read on eva seemed informed by TMI, and arguably his enforced townread of her could be a case of him trying to curry favor/incur her wrath for reading her wrong. I kind of get the vibe that she's someone who would interact with her partners a lot, but she has quite a lot of interactions with BK where I'm just not sure... she'd really engage that much? Or so varied? It's a mix of fluffy reactions to fluffier posts, not trusting him and not fully feeling like he's up to town meta, reading his Ric case and responding to it without really committing in anyway beyond saying "Eh, $%#! it, I agree with the rest"(I embellished obvs). Just seems to come at BK from too many angles of interaction to really feel partnered? Haven't got to her last 2 pages of ISO though like I wanted before the phase started.

    Notable that Litten didn't vote BK until the last 4 minutes when it seemed like a counter wouldn't happen/would be too suspect. I do think the interaction ending at p#1791 is maybe not partnered though? Kinda light, but BK seemed to actually be trying to appeal to Litten. Partner equity, but that interaction takes it back a little bit.

    wiggles was sort of backed into a corner and didn't vote BK until very late. As a wolf, he can't really vote Eva without outing himself. Considering how I feel about Sultan after BK's flip, wiggles doesn't look too great for his focus. But I need to evaluate how Justin was acting around BK and EOD, because if he was right there, then that's probably a decent look for wiggles? But it's noted that he was kind of handling BK from a distance and in a hedgey way. The one thing that comes to mind is the way he read stett for her treatment of BK. He insinuates it's insane for scum to address town in that way, but doesn't seem to consider the world where they are w/w, which could show he didn't have TMI.

    ADDENDUM: Yeah, looking for BK mentions, he has a flow of: Say BK is iffy and needs to hit town notes - Slide him up the readslist as BK starts making his formatted reads - Basically defend him while not making a big stink about it or moving him higher in his list - Votes him because he prefers eva surviving. This comes off like textbook trying to encourage your partner to make stronger posts so you can improve your read of them in thread, while always having enough room to pivoting to voting him if need be.

    Eh, I can ultimately see a world where Ultra is a BK partner. The only times he really voted BK was when a counter seemed less likely, and he voted Eva at one of the most likely times she could go over. On the flip side, he spent a lot of his energy trying to rally votes on to me, a realistic but not as likely wagon, at points where getting me up as a counter to BK seemed unlikely. A case of not really doing a lot to try and save BK, nor seriously going for any cred. I think there's an argument for trying to look independent and unconcerned with BlueKang's wagon while secretly hoping I or one of the people he was theorizing on would take off, but I'm also not sure if scum!Ultra would make such an obvious late minute bus. Would definitely need to look deeper at how they interacted with each other and what exactly his EOD progression looked like.

    So, if there is a busser, it would be in wiggles, Litten, eva, Ultra, maaaaaaybe Sultan. Roughly in that order from most to least likely.
    I'd hardly even call Wiggles a busser. He literally said we shouldn't chop Bluekang and only ended up there because the dichotomy was Eva/BK and he didn't want to vote Eva.

    I don't think Wiggles really has any trouble just bussing Brad if they're partners though. His stress came across like town stress mostly. He's a good player though so you can't put much past him.

    I kinda just think the rest of your list here are probably town. Litten is still naked town. Ultra is just towny as all $%#!. Eva was a flashwagon c/w and Bluekang got really tilted at her pushing him so you just townread this.

    One of the benefits of pelting day 1 is you don't have to make hard reads for a while. People gotta chill out and make the obvious reads and solve again. Overthinking the game is just going to make it a pro mafia gamestate and frustrate town solving.

    Thanks for doing this dive. Good content.
    I guess this is an easy derpclear to make, but this early on I feel like Mac trying to imply that wiggles is likely town is probably a good look for him. I don't really see Mac as going for that play and would instead keep wiggles as maybe wolf.
  46. Completed You read that I said I want to confirm for my own...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#2395)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#2377)
    EOD evakyoo Voters

    I didn't really get to read Boq's EOD posts in-depth as of writing this, but I already talked about now if eva is town, I don't exactly like Boq's approach towards her. I'd have to verify the truth of the matter, but eva being frustrated at Boq not engaging with her reads genuine and also if true is not a great look from Boq. I dunno, I need to verify this with a read of him because he's the person's EOD I have less general feel of.

    April...uhhh, I don't really have anything on April? Could be a partner, but I don't have much recollection of his EOD posts. Noted that not once did he vote BK.

    Either of these could be scum tbh, but I'm not ready to jump at either without looking a little deeper. Especially considering I was townreading them before.
    Psycho, this is partly why I am having issues with your slot.

    Yesterday when April and Sultan questioned my Litten vote, you harped on to that shade when you should be experienced enough to know what I was doing. You then didn't do anything about that, and ignored me putting you on as a vote possibility (which I think can be scummy, because it is easier to ignore a lone townie's voice than to react, and I believe town are likelier to react)

    And now you go "Hmmm yeh if it is true that Boq ignored Eva then that's a bad look", harping onto something that is already a confirmed untruth to make me viable. Since you actually read my posts yesterday, you should know that I engaged with Eva's posts, talked about them extensively.

    My EOD should also be pretty clear to follow.
    You read that I said I want to confirm for my own eyes if that's the truth about you and eva, yeah? Or that I said you guys could be scum but you weren't my first priority.

    Why did you single out this post and pay no mind to my other posts about EOD? This feels very near-sighted.
  47. Completed I guess you'll see it, but I didn't really want...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3049)
    Ultra: step into the ring boq
    Boq: ok *steps into ring*
    Ultra: i might use 2% of my power to diss you
    Boq: do it
    Ultra: no youre so weak so i cba
    Boq:


    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3047)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3040)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3036)
    Interesting is a wolves favorite word.

    Seeing all these kiddos with their walls has been inspiring. Might get out my pen and pad and write my disscase on you. Make me use more than 2% of my power today
    i know tbh, thats why I highlighted it tbh

    i think that would be helpful tbh! But kinda lame to do it in response to me sussing you. Why so passive? Like, if you think I can be a wolf, you should dunk away

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3037)
    Because I thought BK was town
    why
    I literally talked about it all day yesterday. For someone who's been accusing me of "should have a better read on your EOD" despite my obvious issues with being present last phase, this is a hell of an oversight.

    I liked the way he ramped up into solving and thought he believed in the Ric case. Him pinging people and asking for constant engagement enforced that for me.

    Boq, if you're town, you have to do better than this.
    I've just about to read up on the eod, so honestly I do not remember that. The problem is that your vote on Eva comes super late, so you are not really helping your town read BK there, which is why I question it.

    And no, you are misunderstanding my accusations of you. I am accusing you of being wolfy for agreeing with April and Sultan that my Litten vote is bad (and then doing nothing about it), when you should know the value of it. I am accusing you of ignoring me on eod when I started calling for you to get votes, because that is a wolf tactic I have observed.

    I have also given me the right to be a hypocrite all in the name of solving tbh!
    I guess you'll see it, but I didn't really want to vote eva. I felt like she was being kinda towny from what I saw of her EOD, so I was stuck between a rock and a hard place. I ultimately read BK as town stronger so I tried something at the last minute, but I wasn't really liking any of the wagons that EOD. Lol me because BK was scum and now I'm wishing I at least pushed wiggles harder.

    But see, that's my point. I wasn't shading you and didn't have time to actually read the post because EOD was flying by faster than I could keep up, and I knew reading that post would just make it worst. I avoided most big posts because of that. I didn't like the Litten vote, but it wasn't like "oh, Boq is def scum, let me push on that" because I respect you and don't want to push you on a snapread during the chaos of EOD without further context, but there was no way I was gonna get further context unless I sacrificed keeping up with EOD at all. Which at the time felt like a bad choice.

    What was the value of it? I can theorize reasons why you might have done it as town, but I don't think it was clearcut unless you maybe read the post. To be clear, I looked at vote count, saw you were voting Litten, was like "wtf where'd that come from," then clicked the vote to see the post and was like "$%#!, I don't have time to read all this." Again, I wasn't going to just push you because you made one vote I didn't like. I still remembered and valued the mindmeld. I still do, but that's dropping with some of this.
  48. Completed To Boq's credit, I don't think he's ever read me...

    To Boq's credit, I don't think he's ever read me correctly before d3 and in most games where we're both town, I'm one of his earliest suspects that he keeps going back and forth on, so I'm trying to keep that in mind and figure out if he would opt instead to pocket me if he was scum.
  49. Completed I literally talked about it all day yesterday. ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3040)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra (#3036)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3034)
    Dunno if it is outing, but to me it is highly I N T E R E S T I N G that BK and Ultra vote for each other as top wagons, but soon jump onto Eva and Sultan respectively afterwards

    I need to check the deets behind the votes and the minutes and stuff but hey!
    Interesting is a wolves favorite word.

    Seeing all these kiddos with their walls has been inspiring. Might get out my pen and pad and write my disscase on you. Make me use more than 2% of my power today
    i know tbh, thats why I highlighted it tbh

    i think that would be helpful tbh! But kinda lame to do it in response to me sussing you. Why so passive? Like, if you think I can be a wolf, you should dunk away

    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3037)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#3026)
    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#2301)
    ##Vote evakyoo

    heyo psycho, why did you make this vote?
    Because I thought BK was town
    why
    I literally talked about it all day yesterday. For someone who's been accusing me of "should have a better read on your EOD" despite my obvious issues with being present last phase, this is a hell of an oversight.

    I liked the way he ramped up into solving and thought he believed in the Ric case. Him pinging people and asking for constant engagement enforced that for me.

    Boq, if you're town, you have to do better than this.
  50. Completed Maybe but I'm not really quick to call eva scum...

    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter (#2924)


    question for any eva doubters: do you think scum!Eva would fake pr cover to circumvent being checked by MD/justify a motion check? b/c that is quite literally the only explanation i can buy for scumming her atm
    Maybe but I'm not really quick to call eva scum anyway. I think the interaction with BK that I saw are too complex on her end and simplistic on BK's end to be partners.
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