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    Completed Sorry, Hammy, you were right

    Sorry, Hammy, you were right
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    Completed I'm mad for multiple reasons and I have no regret...

    I'm mad for multiple reasons and I have no regret making this shot
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    Completed Yes but you're not that confident on her are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#766)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#751)
    WOW GEE IT'S ALMOST LIKE I'M NOT GONNA FLIP RED
    What's this in response to?
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#748)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#744)
    Sorry, I'm not distracted anymore; still leaning towards wanting to vote Amy here!!!

    Regarding SR... follow your heart, and if your heart ends wanting to kill me because I wanted you to claim, then... okay!!
    I mean, if Amy flips red I obv wouldn't be shooting you so hrmmm
    Yes but you're not that confident on her are you?
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    Completed I feel like Amy's eod is nervous in a wolfy way...

    I feel like Amy's eod is nervous in a wolfy way so I'm staying bleh
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    Completed Bargaining...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#757)
    i like how jav very specifically supports the version of the plan that leads with a miselim, rather than the inverse

    any issue with voting ara then vigging me, egg?
    Bargaining...
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    Completed What's this in response to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#751)
    WOW GEE IT'S ALMOST LIKE I'M NOT GONNA FLIP RED
    What's this in response to?
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    Completed Not terribly but like enough I'm scared to let it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#747)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#742)
    Quote Originally Posted by the-middle-of-the-line (#741)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#737)
    I'm sitting here deciding between you two, worried that if I don't vig the other if wrong then uh, people may not do it tbh. It's kind of nerve wracking
    this is my worry too, b/c I think if it's ara i will personally have trouble tomorrow
    I might just do the vig tbh, if you're okay with that
    how confident are you in ara/me having 1 wolf for sure
    Not terribly but like enough I'm scared to let it slip by?
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    Completed Oh yeah I'm not worried about red flip worlds LOL...

    Quote Originally Posted by the-middle-of-the-line (#749)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#742)
    Quote Originally Posted by the-middle-of-the-line (#741)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#737)
    I'm sitting here deciding between you two, worried that if I don't vig the other if wrong then uh, people may not do it tbh. It's kind of nerve wracking
    this is my worry too, b/c I think if it's ara i will personally have trouble tomorrow
    I might just do the vig tbh, if you're okay with that
    if amy flips scum i wouldn't vig ara, but I think I still tinfoil that world
    Oh yeah I'm not worried about red flip worlds LOL

    Just green flip ones
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    Completed Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Quote Originally Posted by Javelinlover (#746)
    i think vote amy vig ara is a fine plan here? that way unless it's exactly me/ssr or me/hammy or hammy/ssr from common scumreads here we get at least one if not both wolves
    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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    Completed I mean, if Amy flips red I obv wouldn't be...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#744)
    Sorry, I'm not distracted anymore; still leaning towards wanting to vote Amy here!!!

    Regarding SR... follow your heart, and if your heart ends wanting to kill me because I wanted you to claim, then... okay!!
    I mean, if Amy flips red I obv wouldn't be shooting you so hrmmm
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    Completed I might just do the vig tbh, if you're okay with...

    Quote Originally Posted by the-middle-of-the-line (#741)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#737)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#735)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#732)
    I slightly dislike that ara feels like she's hanging back at this eod but ugh
    sr i'm gonna scream
    I'm sitting here deciding between you two, worried that if I don't vig the other if wrong then uh, people may not do it tbh. It's kind of nerve wracking
    this is my worry too, b/c I think if it's ara i will personally have trouble tomorrow
    I might just do the vig tbh, if you're okay with that
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    Completed I'm sitting here deciding between you two,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#735)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#732)
    I slightly dislike that ara feels like she's hanging back at this eod but ugh
    sr i'm gonna scream
    I'm sitting here deciding between you two, worried that if I don't vig the other if wrong then uh, people may not do it tbh. It's kind of nerve wracking
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    Completed I slightly dislike that ara feels like she's...

    I slightly dislike that ara feels like she's hanging back at this eod but ugh
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    Completed I'm tired

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#729)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#725)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#722)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#717)
    Do you see a jav/ssr world?
    i think jav's brief foray into voting ssr here felt like a knock against it, i think fmpov it felt more like testing the waters at a point where it looked like momentum was maybe moving away from me a bit. could have been looking for another viable miselim to push

    once len came back and doubled down on me being a wolf you note that the ssr push subsided

    beyond that particular point, dunno
    It's a matter of if it's not jav/ssr then ara/ssr in your view yeah?
    what

    i've literally been saying i think it's ara/jav?

    why are you discounting that as a world? did i miss something?
    I'm tired
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    Completed Typo I assumed, she said not before

    Quote Originally Posted by Javelinlover (#727)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#714)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#709)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#704)
    hooooooooly $%#!ing $%#!
    If I'm feeling len and jav town, where do you think I go if not in you/ara?
    i've already said i'd bet the game on hammy being wolf so if you're that confident on jav town then it's ara/ssr

    which is to say that you should blast ara tonight

    i'm not there on jav town but it's largely for some combination of "she feels like the most likely ara partner" and "she is underthinking things i don't THINK she would underthink as town" but like. i don't know that for sure
    hammy being wolf?
    Typo I assumed, she said not before
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    Completed It's a matter of if it's not jav/ssr then ara/ssr...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#722)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#717)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#714)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#709)
    If I'm feeling len and jav town, where do you think I go if not in you/ara?
    i've already said i'd bet the game on hammy being wolf so if you're that confident on jav town then it's ara/ssr

    which is to say that you should blast ara tonight

    i'm not there on jav town but it's largely for some combination of "she feels like the most likely ara partner" and "she is underthinking things i don't THINK she would underthink as town" but like. i don't know that for sure
    Do you see a jav/ssr world?
    i think jav's brief foray into voting ssr here felt like a knock against it, i think fmpov it felt more like testing the waters at a point where it looked like momentum was maybe moving away from me a bit. could have been looking for another viable miselim to push

    once len came back and doubled down on me being a wolf you note that the ssr push subsided

    beyond that particular point, dunno
    It's a matter of if it's not jav/ssr then ara/ssr in your view yeah?
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    Completed Do you see a jav/ssr world?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#714)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#709)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#704)
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    I'm probably feeling set where I am

    I'm a bit offput wrt Amy's reactions on being wolf read or people saying things that they can see her as a wolf for. Reactions sort of lowkey feel like miming feelings a bit tho not sure just small thing in addition to other things
    hooooooooly $%#!ing $%#!
    If I'm feeling len and jav town, where do you think I go if not in you/ara?
    i've already said i'd bet the game on hammy being wolf so if you're that confident on jav town then it's ara/ssr

    which is to say that you should blast ara tonight

    i'm not there on jav town but it's largely for some combination of "she feels like the most likely ara partner" and "she is underthinking things i don't THINK she would underthink as town" but like. i don't know that for sure
    Do you see a jav/ssr world?
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    Completed And I am entertaining hammy town tbh

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#709)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#704)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#697)
    I'm probably feeling set where I am

    I'm a bit offput wrt Amy's reactions on being wolf read or people saying things that they can see her as a wolf for. Reactions sort of lowkey feel like miming feelings a bit tho not sure just small thing in addition to other things
    hooooooooly $%#!ing $%#!
    If I'm feeling len and jav town, where do you think I go if not in you/ara?
    And I am entertaining hammy town tbh
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    Completed If I'm feeling len and jav town, where do you...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#704)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#697)
    I'm probably feeling set where I am

    I'm a bit offput wrt Amy's reactions on being wolf read or people saying things that they can see her as a wolf for. Reactions sort of lowkey feel like miming feelings a bit tho not sure just small thing in addition to other things
    hooooooooly $%#!ing $%#!
    If I'm feeling len and jav town, where do you think I go if not in you/ara?
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    Completed Len You Hammy SSR One of Amy/Ara

    Quote Originally Posted by Javelinlover (#702)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#697)
    I'm probably feeling set where I am

    I'm a bit offput wrt Amy's reactions on being wolf read or people saying things that they can see her as a wolf for. Reactions sort of lowkey feel like miming feelings a bit tho not sure just small thing in addition to other things
    sorry i've been like not really paying attention to your replies, can you summarize your reads for me? i feel like i am agreeing with misc things you're saying but not quite sure how that factors into your reads as a whole
    Len

    You

    Hammy

    SSR

    One of Amy/Ara

    Is probably where I am at?
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    Completed Well in a wolf Amy world killing Claire is...

    Quote Originally Posted by the-middle-of-the-line (#699)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#692)
    Amy/Ara would be... very hard world to reach tbh
    I agree but I have no idea why ara is alive rn if most of us were town reading her
    Well in a wolf Amy world killing Claire is clearly to her benefit regardless of Ara alignment. It's just doubly so ig if Ara is a wolf too but it doesn't point any more to it
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    Completed I'm probably feeling set where I am I'm a bit...

    I'm probably feeling set where I am

    I'm a bit offput wrt Amy's reactions on being wolf read or people saying things that they can see her as a wolf for. Reactions sort of lowkey feel like miming feelings a bit tho not sure just small thing in addition to other things
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    Completed Amy/Ara would be... very hard world to reach tbh

    Amy/Ara would be... very hard world to reach tbh
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    Completed This is the not Amy world, where the alternative...

    Quote Originally Posted by superstarsrock (#685)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#674)
    If you aren't a wolf, why does Claire die if she's so vehemently wrong on you? To me the thing would likely be that Ara is not an option? It's not the strongest but it comes to mind and your treatment of each other is such that I can feel it?
    Well there's always the possibility of scum seeing that and realizing a Claire kill puts suspicion on arguably
    the most active villager in that scenario. Besides she was making strong points throughout d1 and was being townread by most everyone, not sure why only an amy wolfteam would want the shot.
    This is the not Amy world, where the alternative reason might be because Ara is a wolf and thus not eligible
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    Completed Why wasn't this your initial reaction to her...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hammy (#684)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#496)
    yeah i don't mind vig claiming here

    hashtag still not the vig
    So my thoughts on Ara's vig request have been that it's a scum play since the start. Ara had given her reason in initial post why it'd be town beneficial, but seemed way too risky, from a beginner perspective. She claims that she feared the inactivity which I get because she only got to talk to 2 people that night and couldn't gain more from others who were gone. But I might be grasping here, but say town does benefit from doing this vig poll, you're still going to need people to come back to the thread and answer. I feel it's not too crazy to wait for people to respond to the things you've pressed them on and leave the vig question at the door. The posts/ responses/ and following insight you get are all still going to be relative to who responds and the eventual when. If that makes sense in words. In more harsher terms, you spent 12 hours waiting and thinking and all you came up with was a risky gamble for town? There weren't better lines of thought for you in those 12 hours?


    I bring this quote up though, because it's interesting to me. I think me and Amy had the same impressions very early on: why this question? But at the same time, if this is a wolf trap we BOTH very willingly went and fell into it on sight. I'm curious to your mindset at the time immediately after Ara put the post.

    For my reasons, honestly I didn't have many aside from just thinking "Okay, maybe this could help." at the time. But given about 30 minutes later to think on it I really was hit more with "Is this as beneficial for town? I don't think so."
    Why wasn't this your initial reaction to her request?
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    Completed Also it would have to mean all the strong town...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#674)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#667)
    @Secondhand Revenant

    do you have any pairs of individuals that you think always contain at least 1 wolf

    thinkin bout vig stuff
    Well, I did say that wrt Claire kill, you/ara feels like it fits

    Obv you don't care about the you as a wolf world but

    If you aren't a wolf, why does Claire die if she's so vehemently wrong on you? To me the thing would likely be that Ara is not an option? It's not the strongest but it comes to mind and your treatment of each other is such that I can feel it?
    Also it would have to mean all the strong town just are randomly eating each other up in this game if one of you is not tbh
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    Completed Well, I did say that wrt Claire kill, you/ara...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#667)
    @Secondhand Revenant

    do you have any pairs of individuals that you think always contain at least 1 wolf

    thinkin bout vig stuff
    Well, I did say that wrt Claire kill, you/ara feels like it fits

    Obv you don't care about the you as a wolf world but

    If you aren't a wolf, why does Claire die if she's so vehemently wrong on you? To me the thing would likely be that Ara is not an option? It's not the strongest but it comes to mind and your treatment of each other is such that I can feel it?
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    Completed Arapocalypse who do you think is ssr's most...

    @Arapocalypse who do you think is ssr's most likely partner here?
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    Completed Sure, it came later, it's gonna be a bit less...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#636)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#634)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#633)
    Quote Originally Posted by superstarsrock (#632)
    making my way through the thread o7



    Not really seeing the logic behind this from v!ara, missing a concept like keeping the most important townie hidden to allow them to continue taking shots doesn't feel like something ara would just miss.

    The rationalization is ara explaining the thought process behind why outing the vig is actually beneficial but it also equates "we don't have to worry about SR being mafia anymore" as a worthwhile tradeoff for losing the vig tonight. Couldn't he have just claimed vig if a wagon formed on him if that was the case?

    Will be around for eod this time but I'm behind so I'll try to speedread the rest and help out.
    well this post is alarming
    Elaborate?
    it's a significantly less nuanced take than yours or mine on the situation, arrives at the same conclusion wayyyy later than we did, and feels like a weird way to enter the thread when you've been gone for like 24+ hours

    so it's a wolfy push on the person i'm currently voting for

    which is, as i said, alarming
    Sure, it came later, it's gonna be a bit less nuanced. What do you think town ssr does instead when introduced to the idea?
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    Completed Today would be due to suspicion and distancing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#631)
    jav, if i'm a wolf with ssr, why was i trying to get him killed at eod yesterday and for like half of today
    Today would be due to suspicion and distancing needed?

    Yday is more the sticking point
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    Completed Elaborate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#633)
    Quote Originally Posted by superstarsrock (#632)
    making my way through the thread o7

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#554)
    I'm sorry, but sleeping in LYLO for the vig shot just... somehow literally did not occur to me whatsoever when I was considering this, sorry!!!!!!!!

    I mean yeah it seems obvious now that you say it like that, but... yeah, I just didn't think of it!!!!

    That being said... I'm not entirely sure, but strong chance I would have pushed for the strategy regardless? Especially considering the increased benefit for if anyone else was the vig; even you turning out to be the vig gets me to breathe a massive sigh of relief, so that I don't have that tinfoil of "what if SR is just being really reasonable as mafia here" taking up space in my mind!!

    Anyways, I blame my being more accustomed to accounting for not-vig PRs; need to think things more next time!!!!

    Sorry if you didn't like it, but... I get real concerned when it feels like half the game is too busy to play the game much, particularly at this point in the game!!
    Not really seeing the logic behind this from v!ara, missing a concept like keeping the most important townie hidden to allow them to continue taking shots doesn't feel like something ara would just miss.

    The rationalization is ara explaining the thought process behind why outing the vig is actually beneficial but it also equates "we don't have to worry about SR being mafia anymore" as a worthwhile tradeoff for losing the vig tonight. Couldn't he have just claimed vig if a wagon formed on him if that was the case?

    Will be around for eod this time but I'm behind so I'll try to speedread the rest and help out.
    well this post is alarming
    Elaborate?
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    Completed Have some stuff I need to do rn during eod, but...

    Have some stuff I need to do rn during eod, but Amy wrt Ara, in your shoes I'd probably look for the easier person first then?

    Which is funny because rn I'm clear town and I'm not doing so but also that's partly due to claire death making me think $%#! is up wrt you and potentially ara
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    Completed If they cc me tomorrow we just sleep (vote no...

    Quote Originally Posted by Javelinlover (#617)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#568)
    ##Vote Arapocalypse

    Tossing this over in my mind tbh wrt the vig thing because like, Amy has a strong point. Wolves really want to out the vig and not have a clear in the game tomorrow. Not fully sure I buy Ara didn't think of that, and it feels partly like in her explanations she doesn't acknowledge that because admitting this move was really +EV for the wolves looks bad for her

    @Ampharos
    @Javelinlover
    @superstarsrock

    Amy cuz I want your second opinion here

    Other two cuz you need to post and this is a thing to think on
    i'm not quite sure how outing vig is bad for town here, it made sense in my head. if we vote wrong today it's 4v2 and then vig can't shoot for fear of solo losing and next day wolves just claim vig lol and there's no clears. claiming vig today ensures that mafia can't cc for fear of being shot? can you explain why vig outing is +ev for wolves here
    If they cc me tomorrow we just sleep (vote no kill) and I kill them at night so they cannot cc me

    So look at mafia point of view here, they aren't sure who the vig is. If I played well I made them think I was not vig due to repping thinking Claire might have vig vibes. Amy was clearly not vig. So who does wolf!Ara kill? Maybe len, but also if it's not len she has to kill into the pool of suspected players which can be massively -ev for wolves if they don't hit the vig, yeah? And then suddenly tomorrow they cleared the poe a bit with their kill and the vig is another clear. Given the game size that's pretty rough for wolves yah?
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    Completed Tbh tho the fact it's probably not just hammy/ssr...

    Tbh tho the fact it's probably not just hammy/ssr means a fair bit to me, means if it's in one of Ara/Amy we will get one and we will have potential connections to solve
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    Completed I think rn I'd not kill Len or Jav. Ara Amy...

    I think rn I'd not kill Len or Jav.

    Ara Amy Hammy SSR is an unfortunately long list of people I could kill tho

    I need to like decide more on who to clear in there
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    Completed Well very different styles but same principle yeah

    Quote Originally Posted by the-middle-of-the-line (#607)
    Do you mean it's similar to Dunn behavior d1? I can see that because Dunn stuff rlly pinged me and he ended up being town (although I did start to think he was possible town so swapped to hammy)
    Well very different styles but same principle yeah
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    Completed Fwiw main hesitation wrt Hammy is just that it...

    Fwiw main hesitation wrt Hammy is just that it may be a style thing wrt him and the being performative and I know that dort of thing kinda like always pings me no matter what
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    Completed Uhhh. Okay so like if we used the shoot as a...

    Quote Originally Posted by the-middle-of-the-line (#597)
    Also I'm mechanically rusty so is it better to shoot tonight or holster, and if shoot we should decide before eod
    Uhhh. Okay so like if we used the shoot as a second elimination then it's the same but based on time left you may want more time to talk about the second elim after seeing the flip and knowing alignment stuff?

    But also if amy flips green I kind of wanna shoot ara
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    Completed They're *reasonable* thoughts but that doesn't...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#588)
    SR, I've emptied my brain onto the page today. You agree with my reads. How do I help you get there on me? What are we missing here?

    It feels like every time I post you're like "hmmmm that's a good point but I think you're a wolf so..." and I tried rly hard not to get upset about it but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't annoyed.

    halfway tempted to say "just kill me and sheep my reads" ngl but I'm fundamentally opposed to self voting except to self hammer as scum so option 2 is that we gotta Get There

    need to eat or I'm gonna pass out, gimme a bit
    They're *reasonable* thoughts but that doesn't mean they're all there is to it? Like wrt Ara, she really tried hard to drive the thread forward when she didn't have to? I'm not sure you should be on her *except* for the vig thing and stuff surrounding that?

    It's not that I think your things are definitive, it's that I think you are able to make reasonable points worth consideration, but they don't make someone a wolf because there's other considerations to weigh against?
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    Completed This might be a bad thought, but wrt Claire death...

    This might be a bad thought, but wrt Claire death I think it means either Amy wolf just trying to save herself or Ara wolf and they needed another person aside from her to kill
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    Completed Also gonna say the ara vote was literally to see...

    Also gonna say the ara vote was literally to see if Amy would follow

    The logic is there in my head but idt I feel it sufficiently versus ara's posts

    ##Vote Ampharos
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    Completed Ftr, Len, I cooled a bit on the Amy/hammy not w/w...

    Ftr, Len, I cooled a bit on the Amy/hammy not w/w thing, mildly thought that it's possible to sometimes accidentally call up the retroactives to post, have done it before. Since I didn't see her do anything on her own wrt it which would have like confirmed it wasn't an accident to me, that's cooled some
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    Completed Arapocalypse Tossing this over in my mind tbh...

    ##Vote Arapocalypse

    Tossing this over in my mind tbh wrt the vig thing because like, Amy has a strong point. Wolves really want to out the vig and not have a clear in the game tomorrow. Not fully sure I buy Ara didn't think of that, and it feels partly like in her explanations she doesn't acknowledge that because admitting this move was really +EV for the wolves looks bad for her

    @Ampharos
    @Javelinlover
    @superstarsrock

    Amy cuz I want your second opinion here

    Other two cuz you need to post and this is a thing to think on
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    Completed I can feel us losing this game due to inactivity...

    I can feel us losing this game due to inactivity today tbh
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    Completed the-middle-of-the-line please come help cuz...

    @the-middle-of-the-line please come help cuz you're the only person I trust rn lmaow
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    Completed Does Amy pushing SSR there fit particularly with...

    Does Amy pushing SSR there fit particularly with them as w/w tho? Like she started yday near eod, no?
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    Completed I am not super feeling like handing out derp...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#546)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#543)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#540)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#532)
    Mmm. I guess it's mainly you pulling Ara back in to consideration when you really had no suspicion on her prior that I can recall?
    it's unironically your fault that i've got ara in my PoE LOL

    You getting salty at Ara over forcing the claim plan got me thinking about the plan in general - trying to figure out "would town or wolf ara be more likely to propose this", and I honestly think the answer is wolf Ara. Additionally, I'm fully cognizant of the fact that my reasons to townread Ara aren't the world's strongest - certainly they're weaker than my reasoning on Hammy and Len - so after you claimed she was kinda already in my bottom 3 by default, meaning if I don't think it's exactly jav/ssr she becomes the next one up.

    Thinking about it more I kinda come up with more reasons to dislike the claim post. Her coming out with it halfway through the day could go either way but I don't think it's great, mostly because I kinda don't see what motivates v!Ara to feel like she has to post it there; feel like it's something v!Ara would have considered overnight, if anything. I think what I'm REALLY starting to dislike is the fact that she forced the plan through. Think v!Ara at least tries to hear feedback or opens the floor for discussion - but her claiming vt off the bat forces the plan and she knows it. Do not like.

    I am somewhat curious to hear your take on teambuilding wrt those 3, especially if you think my approach is flawed here.
    Tbh I'm at a mess of a position where only Len is someone I'd never consider here

    Very worried that Hammy is being super performative here with his deductions etc. It all feels very dramatic and feel more in the presentation that the content and it feels like I'm being sold something.

    Ara's *posts* feel good, but that claim thing as much as I'm side eying you for it given I'm not fully comfortable with you atm is a strong point and I'm worried I tried to overlook irritation at the forced claim too much and gave it too much leeway. If it weren't for that I'd just thinks he was town right below Len, off way she's been handled and also her posts today

    Jav feels like she's drowning in not enough time and insufficient attention in thread. She doesn't ever feel good but also idk what to expect of town jav and I can just imagine potential wolf jav a lot better in my head so I think I can keep seeing potential wolf motives in her.

    And SSR just doesn't exist enough though yeah I'm feeling the possibility for him


    In other words, I lack any clarity on the game at all aside from Len town
    p sure hammy townslipped in p#508

    see the first section of p#523
    I am not super feeling like handing out derp clears tbh, not clear wrt if people would try to fake them or if a you/hammy team would involve you telling him to do that for instance. (Yes I know the retro vote count thing but also I was waiting to see if you'd comment on why it ever existed and half wondering if you just slipped and accidentally called it up)
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    Completed Tbh I'm at a mess of a position where only Len is...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#540)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#532)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#525)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#522)
    Ngl, some concern here Amy is trying to sort of throw $%#! everywhere and make it more chaotic
    there are literally 3 slots that i'm suspicious of? in a game with 2 wolves alive? and i'm currently looking into the overlap between possible wolfteams, because i don't really see partners for ara OR ssr outside of jav; certainly i don't think they're partnered with each other

    when i clear you/hammy/len, which i feel pretty comfortable doing, the game turns into a teambuilding exercise
    Mmm. I guess it's mainly you pulling Ara back in to consideration when you really had no suspicion on her prior that I can recall?
    it's unironically your fault that i've got ara in my PoE LOL

    You getting salty at Ara over forcing the claim plan got me thinking about the plan in general - trying to figure out "would town or wolf ara be more likely to propose this", and I honestly think the answer is wolf Ara. Additionally, I'm fully cognizant of the fact that my reasons to townread Ara aren't the world's strongest - certainly they're weaker than my reasoning on Hammy and Len - so after you claimed she was kinda already in my bottom 3 by default, meaning if I don't think it's exactly jav/ssr she becomes the next one up.

    Thinking about it more I kinda come up with more reasons to dislike the claim post. Her coming out with it halfway through the day could go either way but I don't think it's great, mostly because I kinda don't see what motivates v!Ara to feel like she has to post it there; feel like it's something v!Ara would have considered overnight, if anything. I think what I'm REALLY starting to dislike is the fact that she forced the plan through. Think v!Ara at least tries to hear feedback or opens the floor for discussion - but her claiming vt off the bat forces the plan and she knows it. Do not like.

    I am somewhat curious to hear your take on teambuilding wrt those 3, especially if you think my approach is flawed here.
    Tbh I'm at a mess of a position where only Len is someone I'd never consider here

    Very worried that Hammy is being super performative here with his deductions etc. It all feels very dramatic and feel more in the presentation that the content and it feels like I'm being sold something.

    Ara's *posts* feel good, but that claim thing as much as I'm side eying you for it given I'm not fully comfortable with you atm is a strong point and I'm worried I tried to overlook irritation at the forced claim too much and gave it too much leeway. If it weren't for that I'd just thinks he was town right below Len, off way she's been handled and also her posts today

    Jav feels like she's drowning in not enough time and insufficient attention in thread. She doesn't ever feel good but also idk what to expect of town jav and I can just imagine potential wolf jav a lot better in my head so I think I can keep seeing potential wolf motives in her.

    And SSR just doesn't exist enough though yeah I'm feeling the possibility for him


    In other words, I lack any clarity on the game at all aside from Len town
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    Completed I'm not convinced you're not trying to get me to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Javelinlover (#537)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#499)
    I hate this obnoxious forced outing, but it's probably obvious I ignored it and it makes me anxious that it makes me obvious anyways so I'll just out that I'm the vig, that was probably a massive waste since I wasn't dying today anyways and I doubt someone wins a cc there, tho I was trying to hide it with the way I was discussing Claire claim on Amy

    Almost shot Amy, chickened out, immediately regretted it on Claire flip
    ok i misread this as “i almost shot amy but chickened out and instead shot claire and regretted it on the flip” my b
    I'm not convinced you're not trying to get me to derp clear you for seeming to think I could have shot Claire
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    Completed How exactly did it realign the thread? I don't...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hammy (#535)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#532)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#525)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#522)
    Ngl, some concern here Amy is trying to sort of throw $%#! everywhere and make it more chaotic
    there are literally 3 slots that i'm suspicious of? in a game with 2 wolves alive? and i'm currently looking into the overlap between possible wolfteams, because i don't really see partners for ara OR ssr outside of jav; certainly i don't think they're partnered with each other

    when i clear you/hammy/len, which i feel pretty comfortable doing, the game turns into a teambuilding exercise
    Mmm. I guess it's mainly you pulling Ara back in to consideration when you really had no suspicion on her prior that I can recall?
    I believe the suspicion on Ara has skyrocketed after her asking for vig. Which is a shame because one way or another it was a good post to realign the thread, but we'll have to nail more and probably look at past posts to get a really, really solid wolfread. (The wolfread is looking solid already, but can be swayed)
    How exactly did it realign the thread? I don't think me outing as vig has caused any sort or shift in the thread at all outside of Amy's response to me and confidence on SSR.
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