Search:

Type: Posts; User: GeneralHankerchief

Page 1 of 60 1 2 3 4

Search: Search took 0.09 seconds.

  1. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Ara if I'm n1'd you need to change your avatar to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#1159)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1157)
    just like awards nominations, eh ara
    You know, I was going to put you in my honourary lock town slot for that incredibly hype avatar you made of me, but now I don't think I will!!!!!

    It's been a busy mafia year, fight me!!!!

    That being said, I do agree that real-time is a bit more needed, lot of people here for whom that helps, though I'm not sure if I count myself in it anymore!!
    Ara if I'm n1'd you need to change your avatar to what I posted for at least a month in my memory

    If you're a wolf it needs to be at least two months

    (I will actually return to putting out content tomorrow)
  2. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread just like awards nominations, eh ara

    just like awards nominations, eh ara
  3. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread funnily enough I was ruminating on this game in...

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#1123)
    the case on igno feels a bit like a gh wolf case

    i dont want to believe ensive:
    funnily enough I was ruminating on this game in the shower a few minutes ago and was thinking that the past week or so was the first time I've really felt this locked in as a villager in, god, probably a year and a half or something (if not more)

    can't wait for the greenflip to bring me back down
  4. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread I was planning on just passively taking $%#! in...

    I was planning on just passively taking $%#! in for the rest of the weekend, but the whole "worldbuilding and theorycrafting around people's reappearances in the thread" is extremely distracting and needs to stop.

    Pings are increasing, posts are increasing, people could be subscribed to threads, people could be seeing this thread from the forum index page pop up more and more frequently (with new posts to boot), people could be simply remembering from their past sojourns into here that EOD is coming up and it's time to buckle down. Any of these are reasonable explanations for sudden reappearances, far more reasonable imo than assigning any nefarious intent to them at exact timings.

    Bottom line here is that there are only four people itg who know the exact form wolfchat's taken this game and the exact type of activity going on it, and I think it's fruitless to speculate really when there are more productive avenues to be taken.
  5. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Garden Gnome (@ anyone, really) Alright, this...

    @Garden Gnome (@ anyone, really)

    Alright, this is pretty simple from my POV.

    First, the confirmation bias disclaimer: I've suspected ignoramus for a decent while now and prior to the past couple of days, as I think is demonstrated by the back half of my posting this year. But this last bit pushed it over the line for me.

    ---

    Many of ignoramus's posts have fluff and/or surface level takes. Not the best look, but not damning in themselves. This sort of stuff pops up repeatedly:

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#915)
    1. Sheep: town, reason being (from p#22-p#112) relaxed vibe while still making reads and stuff (albeit pretty minimal)
    P#271 I only read a teeny bit but majority weren't doing much (or doing anything At All) so his effort to make this raises his town equity
    Like
    He's one of the first ones to do it, if not The first to do it
    So I feel like it's more town-indicative, especially given his still fairly relaxed tone
    Gonna be assuming for this part but I think a mafia/non-town who was this relaxed wouldn't make much reads/progress until everyone else did so


    2. Lendunistus: so obvious in his "I don't give a damn. I do Not want to play" attitude I think he might just be town?? Not as townie as Sheep but still town


    3. Visor: is him and Hankerchief talking to each other so much non w/w indicative? Because to me it is and I doubt y'all will be able to change that for a while mnitwerk:
    Also saw a bit of GH and his conversations (p#311) and if anything, probably GH/Visor w/t?? Feels too much like "I Shall Take Advantage Of Him Not Doing Much And Pocket Him Through Reads :evil:" out of all three, least townie


    Just my luck the RNG picker I used went for majority lower posters

    Anyway : peace_out : for like. Another year
    Or until I die first
    Whichever goes first
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1063)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1044)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1042)
    Cuth is true null lol
    Is lendunistus less of a true null?
    @ignoramus time to play bro, I think you have relevant thoughts here
    Hello, sir
    I am at the no thoughts, head empty stage
    I can too you about business concepts, though! this is the only thing that has been in my head for months and it has taken a hold of my brain by force
    I hate business school


    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthalion (#1053)
    i'm exhausted

    we love graded group projects in higher education

    what's not to like
    God if that ain't a mood

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1061)


    Igno reiterated a strong lend!v read recently

    Lend is in danger

    Igno lightly read cuth V, but Cuth had done nothing.

    Even GH said Cuth us basically null.

    So at that point, Igno would have no reason to hold back from voting Cuth.

    Until Cuth shows up just not to add extra posts.

    But I recall wolf-reading WWH more D:
    And we still got a few more months
    Let me panic about my business classes in peace


    So basically ignoramus is giving off the impression of just kind of trundling along, right? Not really super playing, very busy with school, dropping in every once in a while to give noncommittal thoughts, that sort of thing. And then, below the spoiler, he suddenly comes in with a PIPING HOT take:

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1070)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1065)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1064)
    Tell, not tooAlso I forgot to spoiler oh well
    Back to being a ghost
    @ignoramus

    There are 8 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes remaining.
    O h
    Okay cool
    this is actually not cool but I really want WWH to get got
    If she flips town, which I'm 99.99% sure isn't gonna happen, y'all can speed-yeet me
    This take is notable for two reasons. First of all, it is very much out of balance with the rest of his thread persona in terms of the read's strength. Second of all, there's pretty much zero buildup to it at all.

    Here are all the mentions of WWH in ignoramus's iso prior to the above post I quoted:

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#368)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#326)
    @Ampharos Wouldn't playing mafia be faster?
    @Cuthalion Happy birthday, come play!!!!
    @Frog Got an updated take on Wesmaster?
    @Garden Gnome Who do you most suspect/want to vote, at the moment?
    @ignoramus Come play!! What's your current read on DkKoba?
    @lendunistus What's your strongest read, outside of sort by postcount?
    @Michelle Any hot takes from reading back yet?
    @Shad It's been over a month, please give catchup takes!!
    @Trustworthy Liberal Are you planning to continue the particular manner of posting you introduced at SoD? Speaking of which, I've now completed all the DR games, has been a blast!!!!
    @WerewolfHunter It's definitely gotten quite a bit more serious by now, got any takes to match?

    Typing out these pings, it's occurred to me that it would be entertaining to make a bingo card!!!!! Or to delegate it to someone else: I'll give a free townpoint to anyone who makes one!!!
    Hello!!!
    Last time I read (which was about 3? months ago but my concept of time is as reliable as my WiFi [it isn't]) I had Koba as town
    Then again, I have a hard time reading their tone, just like I have a hard time reading yours
    IIRC all of WWH's posts involved some excuses, and I remember reading a few of her wolf-games back then and she does the excuses thing too
    But I'm better at reading spew so I'm not confident at all
    Might come back in June or July then disappear for the entirety of senior high glgl
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#369)
    ##Vote WerewolfHunter
    Bye!
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1063)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1044)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1042)
    Cuth is true null lol
    Is lendunistus less of a true null?
    @ignoramus time to play bro, I think you have relevant thoughts here
    Hello, sir
    I am at the no thoughts, head empty stage
    I can too you about business concepts, though! this is the only thing that has been in my head for months and it has taken a hold of my brain by force
    I hate business school


    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthalion (#1053)
    i'm exhausted

    we love graded group projects in higher education

    what's not to like
    God if that ain't a mood

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1061)


    Igno reiterated a strong lend!v read recently

    Lend is in danger

    Igno lightly read cuth V, but Cuth had done nothing.

    Even GH said Cuth us basically null.

    So at that point, Igno would have no reason to hold back from voting Cuth.

    Until Cuth shows up just not to add extra posts.

    But I recall wolf-reading WWH more D:
    And we still got a few more months
    Let me panic about my business classes in peace


    That's it. That's all there is. There is the barest hint of a progression in the early vote, but it's never elaborated on, and it's never backed up, nor is the strength of the read alluded to in ignoramus's isos/takes/etc between that vote and the final "99.99% sure" comment. Hell, at the time of the vote back in May, the only justification was "well she makes excuses for activity as a wolf".

    But it was never expanded on beyond that.

    So somehow that vote for decent-ish reasons if you squint hard enough has mutated into something with "99.99% sure" belief, despite the fact that ignoramus had multiple opportunities to talk about it even in his catchups, despite the fact that WWH's best posting (imo) came last week and igno didn't mention it at all in his calculations, despite the fact that for a read of such strength where, you know, decisiveness and intensity of feeling would probably earn you some villa points especially in a game like this where we're naturally gravitating towards the inactives on D1, igno didn't even want to take the read of such strength out of a damn spoiler tag.

    tl;dr I think he's intentionally misrepping the strength of his read/faking it entirely.

    ---

    Like if I squint hard enough I can see a scenario where a villa does this, I just think the world where he's a wolf trying to cut corners and hoping it's enough for D1 is more likely.

    I get that people are probably going to play around with wagons and hold the inactive people who are catching up's feet to the fire (Cuth, lend, etc) in the week we have remaining, and I may or may not partake in it myself, but at the end of the day my vote is staying on ignoramus barring something coming out of nowhere, and I think that should be the chop as well.

    lol @ me saying this post would be short
  6. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Happy Thanksgiving everyone Frog you're...

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone

    Frog you're reading into it way too much

    Gnome I'll answer you when I get back on a PC tomorrow (at relatives atm(

    It'll be short but I do want to pull quotes and I'm not doing that $%#! on mobile

    Don't want to end this on a confrontational note so happy Thanksgiving again folks
  7. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread ignoramus I'm landing here for the year. ...

    ##Vote ignoramus

    I'm landing here for the year.

    @Visorslash

    follow me into the void, my brother
  8. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread These are the kinds of reads (in both directions)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1067)
    I see a few signs of what looks like Igno is actually making these reads, not fabricating them.

    The various inclusions of 'like' demonstrate pausing to think about what they're saying. They're thinking about the actual reads, not thinking about how to fabricate it imo.

    The various inclusions of question marks in the read. It's very much an uncertainty that is towny, not TMI scummy.

    [snip]

    However, my paranoia on Cuth has not subsided.

    His entrance felt suspiciously convenient given that igno would be in a position to likely vote him.

    I have similar feelings about WWH and his suspicious thread entrances.
    These are the kinds of reads (in both directions) that you look back on down the line and wonder what the hell you were thinking when you made them.

    (I'm sure that I've made my own in this game and will deal with them if necessary, but this set is especially glaring)

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1070)
    ]this is actually not cool but I really want WWH to get got
    If she flips town, which I'm 99.99% sure isn't gonna happen, y'all can speed-yeet me
    This, OTOH, is just straight-up wolfy.
  9. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Frog lettuce alliance and put the pain train on...

    Frog lettuce alliance and put the pain train on igno
  10. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread I mean after you said it out loud that blatantly,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1046)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1045)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1044)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1042)
    Cuth is true null lol
    Is lendunistus less of a true null?

    @ignoramus time to play bro, I think you have relevant thoughts here
    yes imo
    Fair enough, I'd still like to hear igno's input on the situation, and if would be disposed to vote Cuth to save his town read Lend.
    I mean after you said it out loud that blatantly, what exactly do you expect to happen if igno does show up?

    I'm not really going anywhere with this post, just saying this sort of thing works better when analyzed after the event in question rather than calling out what you expect to happen beforehand.
  11. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread yes imo

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1044)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1042)
    Cuth is true null lol
    Is lendunistus less of a true null?

    @ignoramus time to play bro, I think you have relevant thoughts here
    yes imo
  12. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Cuth is true null lol

    Cuth is true null lol
  13. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread What were these two posts in reference to?

    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#1014)
    what?
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#1029)
    I don't follow understand this at all
    What were these two posts in reference to?
  14. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread looks like I picked the wrong 90 minutes to quit...

    looks like I picked the wrong 90 minutes to quit sniffing glue

    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#1016)
    pretty good

    westmaster- There was one post I saw indirectly from another players that I believe you wrong. I believe it was on noticing how I was getting more scrutiny than others.
    lend- Is likely also be unfairly run up and has a similar playstyle toe me
    garden gnom- Reasoning is definitely wrong since I don;'t check in very often but I feel like it comes from a good perspective. I also liked them trying to get more discussion going even.

    slightly good

    frog
    visor

    neutral

    dkoba
    igno
    amphorus
    sheep
    michelle
    aropaclpyse
    general
    cut

    leaning evil

    shad- let's just face it. I'm getting pinged pretty hard right now. I feel like there trying to make me the easy miskill at the end of the first year. When I put in a perspective post, they purposely neglect everything I say and flip its perspective to make me look evil. If your evil and not posting, I'd be drastically letting my team down. From my perspective, the only reason I can see is to get an easy miskill
    If you're still monitoring the thread, I'd like you to make three specific elaborations with your reads list:

    - Lend. Is "likely" also being unfairly run up - this implies that you haven't really followed his own posts? If so, would you mind doing that? He's got a short iso, and if you believe he is town, who are the likely wolves running him up? Are *all* of his pushers wolves?

    - Frog and Visor. They're in a category above everyone else, for the most part, but you don't really have much elaboration on them. What put them there? Was it them jumping on and then off you in the past few hours? Was it anything more than that?

    I know it sounds like I'm grilling you, but any expounding you do here could be really helpful.
  15. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread can always try to sell us on a third wagon the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#1005)
    Am loosly around i was gonna check the difference in lend and wwh but theres not alot of to go look at also...

    wait 11 days $%#! i can't keep pushing this off
    can always try to sell us on a third wagon

    the more the merrier!
  16. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread ehhhhh maybe I've noticed Gnome being kind of...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1004)
    If WWH is wolf, gnome is wolf for hopping on late there to salvage credit there? Hmmmm
    ehhhhh maybe

    I've noticed Gnome being kind of pile on-y on whoever happens to be the subject du jour for a lot of the dayphase, so it's not necessarily singling out WWH

    YMMV if the whole trait is wolfy though!
  17. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread should I say that I don't really give a $%#!...

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#1000)
    ##Vote lendunistus

    surprised amy never came back to the game

    surprised gh is voting with amy

    :curtain:
    should I say that I don't really give a $%#! about this sort of thing at this stage?

    or that I'm using it as a way to test Amy?

    let's go with "I'm using it as a way to test Amy", it'll sound better

    it's the first one but I'm going to retroactively apply it and add the second one to it
  18. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Because this is so much better and more...

    Because this is so much better and more enlightening of a choice lmao
  19. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread lendunistus

    ##Vote lendunistus
  20. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Lol I just feel like this is a miss bros ...

    Lol

    I just feel like this is a miss bros

    Got zero reason for it, purely a gut thing

    At the same time I'm not exactly gonna fight this one too hard lol

    Inb4 they flip wolf and half the game realizes that the way I treated WWH is dead center in my wolf meta
  21. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Yeah all in all I don't think they're especially...

    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#979)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#978)
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#977)
    That is a far reason to veto sheep for today atleast actually is just a general reason to vote ignor no?

    Like I feel sheep/Ignor from that above post arnt aligned like at all doesn't make sense for that sequence of events.

    Unless someone shows that sheeps a complusive busser maybe but honestly bussing early in this format feels weaker then most.

    Noting: Frog/GH most likely high up town reads ATM feels right more confident on Frog over GH though (part of this might be wanting them to be town for my own sanity but shhh)
    I haven't really thought about it at all from the "could they be w/w?" angle tbh, don't think it's especially productive right now.

    Snap take is that if ignoramus is a wolf, it's maybe a slight boost in villageriness for sheep but nothing beyond that. The way this game's been going (before today anyway) is that people can easily get away with not really commenting on cases they don't want to comment on, and that's the path of least resistance. Sheep didn't do that - that's what I'd be crediting him for, not for specifically dumping on ignoramus.
    Okay I guess think isn't whst you laid out a the same thing am town reading most cases ignored and willing commented there is more then a slight boost in my mind atleast not lock never resend but like a good look.

    While the opposite is true if ignor is town looks slight worse that sheep picked that and primary that case not red check levels but like not a good look.
    Yeah all in all I don't think they're especially connected, but I also don't think I'd really ding sheep if ignoramus flipped town. I just don't think that one sequence of posts sheep made that I pointed out comes from a wolf in most instances - regardless of what ignoramus flips.
  22. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread I haven't really thought about it at all from the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#977)
    That is a far reason to veto sheep for today atleast actually is just a general reason to vote ignor no?

    Like I feel sheep/Ignor from that above post arnt aligned like at all doesn't make sense for that sequence of events.

    Unless someone shows that sheeps a complusive busser maybe but honestly bussing early in this format feels weaker then most.

    Noting: Frog/GH most likely high up town reads ATM feels right more confident on Frog over GH though (part of this might be wanting them to be town for my own sanity but shhh)
    I haven't really thought about it at all from the "could they be w/w?" angle tbh, don't think it's especially productive right now.

    Snap take is that if ignoramus is a wolf, it's maybe a slight boost in villageriness for sheep but nothing beyond that. The way this game's been going (before today anyway) is that people can easily get away with not really commenting on cases they don't want to comment on, and that's the path of least resistance. Sheep didn't do that - that's what I'd be crediting him for, not for specifically dumping on ignoramus.
  23. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread I liked this sequence from sheep, for probably...

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#932)
    ignoramus:

    my initial impression was like "he's saying good things, seems thoughtful and has interesting line of thinking (though I guess in a way thats easier to fake given 11 months and a wolf chat), decent village-lean". my later more gut-based reaction that Im currently giving a bit less credence and is harder to explain is that his content feels performative. like the very first serious attempt to sort, P#547 chunk about Amy, reading through it live im like "yep, mhm, sure, nothing I have a problem with here" but thinking about it on the whole, it feels perhaps forcedly confbiased towards getting to Amy villager. every single thing ends up as a positive that contributes towards "so yeah Amy prob village", like this was an agenda-driven predetermined conclusion, and some of it is really peachy/inconsistent. examples of something slightly related: he's very fixated on "lol idk about gh" and w/w things surrounding gh even though theres not much there. "doesnt care so town" is a very go-to big thing which comes off as a wolfy habit. it's also very oddly applied, picking and choosing which inactives to apply it to, like I think saying clearly doesnt care is just not applicable to lendun, def not enough to make some top 3 list that happened in his iso. saying this about cuth I guess is fair but just so weird to think of
    (@ignoramus can you explain why not caring = town)? like he's just repeating this line of reasoning without at all thinking about it.
    also,
    1. Sheep: town, reason being (from p#22-p#112) relaxed vibe while still making reads and stuff (albeit pretty minimal)
    P#271 I only read a teeny bit but majority weren't doing much (or doing anything At All) so his effort to make this raises his town equity
    Like
    He's one of the first ones to do it, if not The first to do it
    So I feel like it's more town-indicative, especially given his still fairly relaxed tone
    Gonna be assuming for this part but I think a mafia/non-town who was this relaxed wouldn't make much reads/progress until everyone else did so
    this stood out - fair enough reasoning but just super repetitive for an idea that could fit into a line. tldr: feels like a wolf habit of ignoramus's to sort of repeat and repeat and mindlessly milk sensible ideas.

    (also ftr I just dont really care as much anymore about the initial over-excitedness that I made a big deal out of). overall verdict is like a bit uneasy but still not particularly compelled to resolve today?
    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#933)
    written like 2 days ago but forgot to send before gh wrote like 5 posts about him but now Im lookin like some weird frickin opportunist smh
    I liked this sequence from sheep, for probably unorthodox reasons:

    The context of this post was that he came in with it after I posted my sequence about disliking ignoramus (which, if you missed it, I reposted it in spoilers when talking to Gnome a few hours ago above). I'm obviously biased because neither sheep nor I are big fans of ignoramus, but his case resonates with me because I was on about a number of the same things. I disliked ignoramus's approach to me, sheep commented on that, and then came in with some other of ignoramus's points which looked pretty damn surface level and inconsistently applied - as if ignoramus was making those points to look villagery or fit an agenda, rather than legitimately solve.

    Moreover, there's the second post. I just think that post is very pure. This is the kind of thing that's gotten me in the past before, but the way sheep was extremely awkward about commenting on the fact that he meant to post this a couple days before he did, and thus get it in before I made my posts, and how now he looks like some "weird frickin opportunist" as a result, I just don't think a wolf ever intentionally stumbles that much and then calls attention to that stumble in that way. There are a lot easier, wolfier ways to pile onto somebody if you want them chopped than the way sheep went about it.

    (Specific timing concerns: My posting about ignoramus went in sort of a flurry, but it ended ~35 minutes before sheep came in with his ignoramus post. Since he specifically said he had written it two days' prior and not just thought of it, there was enough time to actually refresh the thread and rework the statement to appear like it was less of a pile-on than it was and leave everybody none the wiser. Like, how hard is it to go "yeah I agree with GH"? He didn't do that.)

    tl;dr I think w!sheep tries harder in that circumstance to not *blatantly* pile on and draw attention to the fact. Could be double bluffed and leveling myself out of a correct wolfread, but I doubt it.
  24. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread I have work off and on for the next couple of...

    I have work off and on for the next couple of hours, but should be around for a good portion tomorrow morning/afternoon US eastern.
  25. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Spoiler fail aside, I don't really super have an...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#961)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#957)
    Like, I've put in a reasonable amount of work over the past month-ish getting current with the thread and putting my thoughts down, and I've seen Actually Wolfy $%#! from TL and ignoramus that's hard for me to put aside in favor of a generic boilerplate line of reasoning based on activity patterns, especially when nobody's really explained to me why that Actually Wolfy $%#! isn't specifically wolfy for either of the two of them.

    Hi GH, good to know where you're at.

    I have a few hesitations with your line.

    1. It's not hard to twist someone's words / intentions and make them to be wolfy. They may try to explain further but just dig themselves a hole.

    2. Still, these players seem to actually be somewhat active, and have somewhat of an ability to eventually clear themselves, just by function of 'they're actually playing the game and interacting in non-aligned ways with other players'.

    3. This is in contrast with the 'non-players' who leave themselves as an ongoing risk as players less likely to play the game, and therefore less likely able to clear themselves.

    My strategy is more along the lines of minimizing risk, making a tighter game, raising the bar, narrowing the pool of places wolves coupd hide.

    Your strategy is going after people who are actually playing because you think they may be wolfy.

    We both might hit wolves, the difference in my opinion is our tolerance for risk. Im on the lower end, you're on the higher end.

    I will re-read your cases on ignoramus and trustworthy liberal, and revisit them to see if I'm on board or not.

    My hesitation is that
    [Spoiler]I think you're a wolf trying to lead the town in the wrong direction, but you should be more self-resolving than not, so I'm trying not to let that paranoia guide any of my actions[/spoilers]
    Spoiler fail aside, I don't really super have an issue with this, I think it's a valid enough philosophy given the unique circumstances we're in and everything.

    What I'm most concerned with, and what you should be as well considering you just stated above you're taking a long-term approach, is that my case isn't being disagreed with, it's being ignored.

    Like, sure, we can all shrugchop the generically wolfiest lowposter/nonplayer/etc we can find, but if nobody's actually taking stances on stuff in the meantime then it'll make our lives harder down the line, particularly if said shrugchop is a miss.

    Again, people are allowed to disagree with me! I'm not pretending I have all the answers here, and if my village games of the past year-plus/my historical D1 success rate is any guide, I'm probably wrong anyway. But I do want people on record.
  26. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread TL sequence:

    TL sequence:

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#821)
    This is just a bizarre $%#!ing sequence:

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#685)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#683)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#681)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#679)
    You're appealing to town to convince them to have a near full town scumread list lol
    Wait I just woke up
    wasn't @ you and was just my conclusion of what was going on there with a scum!wes
    I fully understand you were talking to Wes, and I can even imagine that you may have been speaking from Wes' point of view.

    What I don't understand is how you arrive to the conclusion, from Wes point of view, that Wes sees the majority of players of this group as Town:
    [GH
    Ara
    Ampharos
    Cuthalion
    Trustworthy Liberal]

    I am having trouble following your logic. Can you please, in excruciating detail, step by step, explain what you meant here?
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#686)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#687)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#688)
    @DkKoba

    The longer you don't explain yourself, the more I'm inclined to believe you slipped up as Mafia.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#689)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#688)
    @DkKoba

    The longer you don't explain yourself, the more I'm inclined to believe you slipped up as Mafia.
    Wait theres a slip



    ##Vote DkKoba
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#690)
    I should read up thread but that seems like alot of 14ish pages lol time for some gut skim reads
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#691)
    Skimmed thread and eh only a few thoughts maybe cause i skimm weekly but run out of time heres current thoughts if i was to tier everyone no special colors cause phone

    Confident Town
    Visorslash
    Cuthalion
    Werewolf Hunter

    Town
    Ampharos
    Shad
    Wesmaster
    sheepsaysmeep

    Town Lean
    Frog
    Marshal
    Garden Gnome

    Null
    lenden
    General
    Ignoramus

    Scum Lean
    Ara
    Michelle
    DKkoba


    Frog's asking for Koba to clarify a point that I don't think is a slip, is more just of a misunderstanding. Koba is afk at the time, doesn't respond, Frog continues pressing anyway and starts accusing, and then TL comes in out of nowhere with the above and is like "sniff sniff... SLIP???!?!"

    I don't want to overuse "literally" but like, this is pretty damn "literally out of nowhere", considering it:
    a) was TL's first time posting in two weeks
    b) TL had made six posts in total before the "slip" post
    c) it was the first actual content TL made in the entire game

    ---

    Thought experiment: We've all wolfed in the past. We've probably even wolfed in games that have had slips outed, whether the slips were genuine or not. How have you reacted to slips, real or imagined, as a wolf vs how you've reacted to them as a villager? I'm only speaking personally here in terms of my own playstyle, but there's a pretty big gap in how I react to them, and I like to think it's at least somewhat universal:

    As town: Confusion, try to parse out whether it's real or fake or not, hesitancy until you make a decision
    As a wolf, knowing the slip is real: OH GOD PARTNER IS $%#!ED GET IN ON IT EARLY VOTE VOTE VOTE
    As a wolf, knowing the slip is imagined: Two courses of action here, either try to slam it home and secure the easy town chop, or play the "wise sage" role and act skeptical of it.

    (Note that wolfy "skepticism" has some similarities to villagery "confusion/solving" and the former can even be seen as an attempt to emulate the latter, but there are definitely differences)

    The point of all this is that regardless of whether or not the slip is real (I don't think it's anything tbh) I don't think TL's reaction to it is villagery.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#822)
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#690)
    I should read up thread but that seems like alot of 14ish pages lol time for some gut skim reads
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#691)
    Skimmed thread and eh only a few thoughts maybe cause i skimm weekly but run out of time heres current thoughts if i was to tier everyone no special colors cause phone

    Confident Town
    Visorslash
    Cuthalion
    Werewolf Hunter

    Town
    Ampharos
    Shad
    Wesmaster
    sheepsaysmeep

    Town Lean
    Frog
    Marshal
    Garden Gnome

    Null
    lenden
    General
    Ignoramus

    Scum Lean
    Ara
    Michelle
    DKkoba
    Also, 17 minutes between these two posts, including the time it took to construct said second post. That's some impressive skimming.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#824)
    Lost in the excess of that extended Frog/Koba/TL brouhaha is that I don't think TL's explanation for the Koba scumread, plus the whole jump on the slip, is very valid or convincing.

    - I don't like how, a mere 2 hours after Frog drops the "slip" post, TL comes in and posts content for the first time in the entire game and ends up very lazily pouncing on the immediately above accusation of a slip.
    - I don't like how TL says they're going to powerskim 14 pages (at 50ppp, that'd be 650+ posts) after making the above post and comes back in 17 minutes and drops a readslist.
    - I think said readslist retroactively paints Koba as TL's top scumread for reasons of "trying too hard".

    Now, I could level myself out of this read by saying that I'm not sure a wolf that's been kind of out of the picture to this point would decide to enter by taking on the most active player in the game, but I could also level myself back into the read by saying perhaps w!TL felt forced to do this because they realized that the "slip" thing was probably nothing and needed some additional backing to the scumread. So I'm just not going to go into that at all.

    ##Vote Trustworthy Liberal

    Talked enough about this sequence, I'm gonna try to zoom back out now.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#831)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#822)
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#690)
    I should read up thread but that seems like alot of 14ish pages lol time for some gut skim reads
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#691)
    Skimmed thread and eh only a few thoughts maybe cause i skimm weekly but run out of time heres current thoughts if i was to tier everyone no special colors cause phone

    Confident Town
    Visorslash
    Cuthalion
    Werewolf Hunter

    Town
    Ampharos
    Shad
    Wesmaster
    sheepsaysmeep

    Town Lean
    Frog
    Marshal
    Garden Gnome

    Null
    lenden
    General
    Ignoramus

    Scum Lean
    Ara
    Michelle
    DKkoba
    Also, 17 minutes between these two posts, including the time it took to construct said second post. That's some impressive skimming.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#824)
    Lost in the excess of that extended Frog/Koba/TL brouhaha is that I don't think TL's explanation for the Koba scumread, plus the whole jump on the slip, is very valid or convincing.

    - I don't like how, a mere 2 hours after Frog drops the "slip" post, TL comes in and posts content for the first time in the entire game and ends up very lazily pouncing on the immediately above accusation of a slip.
    - I don't like how TL says they're going to powerskim 14 pages (at 50ppp, that'd be 650+ posts) after making the above post and comes back in 17 minutes and drops a readslist.
    - I think said readslist retroactively paints Koba as TL's top scumread for reasons of "trying too hard".

    Now, I could level myself out of this read by saying that I'm not sure a wolf that's been kind of out of the picture to this point would decide to enter by taking on the most active player in the game, but I could also level myself back into the read by saying perhaps w!TL felt forced to do this because they realized that the "slip" thing was probably nothing and needed some additional backing to the scumread. So I'm just not going to go into that at all.

    ##Vote Trustworthy Liberal

    Talked enough about this sequence, I'm gonna try to zoom back out now.


    Upon reexamination, there's some ambiguity on whether TL actually said they were going to skim everything in the 17 minutes between posts, so I can't super ding them for that after all.

    That said, I'm still keeping my vote where it is, just because I really did not like their "SLIP????" reaction.


    (Note for the skimmers: a couple of posts/points of interest in the post are a line of argument that I no longer consider valid (specifically the 17 minute thing) but rather than excise it from the spoiler and do an amount of editing I'm just putting the raw posts in here instead and letting you know about it instead.)

    ignoramus sequence:

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#829)
    Ignoramus:

    I vaguely recall me dropping a thin villa read on Igno back in the early part of the game due to in the moment posting or something along those lines. That's being retracted; there's just more to judge now and certain reasons don't hold up.

    Kind of agree with Frog that I'm not the biggest fan of Igno's most recent efforts:

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#547)
    Reads-list #1 (July 7, 2021; UTC+8)
    Okay I will admit I haven’t been here in so long I think I may have forgotten how to play

    Amy: has Amy played any other longest mafia games before? Because if no, I feel like her coming back after about a month when most people would probably be screwing about is kinda townie

    (to anyone who's played with her a lot before: does she make spurts of effort then dip as town more often or as mafia more often?) p#118’s vibes are pretty good imo, didn’t think/expect Amy to type like this (I thought she’d be more calm? or less rambly) but I think her rambling shows she's actively Thinking About Stuff while typing so I’d say that makes her pretty townie

    P#127 feels different from p#118 so either there’s some w/w going on (I personally don’t think so at the time of writing this but I still need to read more, especially for GH) or Amy wasn’t really Thinking About Stuff while writing this
    Probably means she’s more confident on this set of reads or something

    Her spurt (is that what you call it? English is pain) of posts from p#118-p#129 feels pretty good, I think
    P#155 she didn’t follow up to that but I guess it could be ignored

    Probably projecting here but I think p#503 is townie, reason being forgetting her reason for voting Koba and her saying their posting since her last post was townie feels townie to me
    I tend to forget more often as town because as mafia I got people to rely on if I forget anything
    Her turnaround (is that the correct term?) in p#505 also feels townie like
    It feels natural to me

    There’s another spurt of activity that doesn’t feel as townie as before but still pretty okay

    I’d say she’s town


    GH: all of his posts feel okay (I’ve played with him once as w/w and tbh? I can’t tell the difference someone please help me)

    P#135 feels a teeny bit unaligned
    There’s quite a lot of hedge there that makes me think there’s a chance they’re w/w and the "sorry Amy” is kinda :sus: but given that Amy wasn’t in danger whatsoever there’s also a chance GH is just kinda unsure about this

    Okay I reread it again a few times and this makes me think that if GH flips red, Amy’s most likely next

    P#195 might be veiled TMI for pocketing purposes but no flips yet so idk

    I have no idea about this dude



    Cuth: m
    Town on the basis that he just Doesn’t Care

    I feel like drawing and sleeping again ciao
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#551)
    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#548)
    That Cuth take feels so weird to me contrasted to the effort you put into the other two. How much have you played with him?
    I don't really recall
    Maybe once or twice? I think I was subbed out or killed pretty early on tho so

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#549)
    As to Amy, I think she's posting fine and my gut says villager but I don't know how much of that is there are a lot of people doing nothing that makes everyone actually participating feel decent. Pending a proper reread closer to EoD, there hasn't been a specific moment leaping out to me as > rand v the way I've felt about DK Frog or to a lesser extent GH.To answer your question though, I played in a week long phases game with her once and remember it being fairly clean. At least, her team swept and she wasn't semi-frozen the way I've seen in mashes.
    Fairly clean as in it's not irregular or anything/no random quick posting then leaving?

    For Koba, I just read them town off of vibes
    Frog is a maybe town? I still remember his blatant pocketing attempt he did before (I think it was to me but idk) and I think he wouldn't do it that obviously if mafia/wolf
    Kinda similar to Koba where both of them feel like they believe what they're saying but Koba > Frog

    GH is GH I need a lot of help to solve him (and a lot of help to get over my paranoia too)

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#550)
    @ignoramustry again please sussy baka

    no


    With a broad amount of happenings to comment on since your last check-in of substance, this summary seems pretty narrow-focused. Like, going for associatives in this gamestate, and not even super telling ones, is an easy, easy way to look productive without actually doing anything of note.


    Lightly wolfy, would like to see a kind of overall picture from Ignoramus before EOD.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#925)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#915)
    1. Sheep: town, reason being (from p#22-p#112) relaxed vibe while still making reads and stuff (albeit pretty minimal)
    P#271 I only read a teeny bit but majority weren't doing much (or doing anything At All) so his effort to make this raises his town equity
    Like
    He's one of the first ones to do it, if not The first to do it
    So I feel like it's more town-indicative, especially given his still fairly relaxed tone
    Gonna be assuming for this part but I think a mafia/non-town who was this relaxed wouldn't make much reads/progress until everyone else did so


    2. Lendunistus: so obvious in his "I don't give a damn. I do Not want to play" attitude I think he might just be town?? Not as townie as Sheep but still town


    3. Visor: is him and Hankerchief talking to each other so much non w/w indicative? Because to me it is and I doubt y'all will be able to change that for a while mnitwerk:
    Also saw a bit of GH and his conversations (p#311) and if anything, probably GH/Visor w/t?? Feels too much like "I Shall Take Advantage Of Him Not Doing Much And Pocket Him Through Reads :evil:" out of all three, least townie


    Just my luck the RNG picker I used went for majority lower posters

    Anyway : peace_out : for like. Another year
    Or until I die first
    Whichever goes first
    give me some WOLVES
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#926)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#918)
    i think igno is town now if i didnt before

    *legal clause stating i havent slept in 48 hours and have lost over 10 lbs in that time, very delirious
    @ Frog does this take still hold up now that you're (hopefully) recovering?

    because igno's post to the above filled me with precisely nothing
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#927)
    meh I suppose the whole "GH/visor wtf exactly is going on there something POTENTIALLY WORRISOME HUH" take could count for a delivery of a wolfread, but I don't like how it's conditional and obviously the conclusion itself that I'm a wolf (unless it's talking about Visor?) is incorrect, BUT STILL.

    oh also, this is a real read, I didn't like the wording of the final conclusion: "least townie" as opposed to "wolfiest" or something similar is legitimately a wolfy way to present it
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#929)
    From Ara's igno iso a little bit ago, the actual quoted bit is from July:

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#912)
    GH is GH I need a lot of help to solve him (and a lot of help to get over my paranoia too)
    I'm really not trying to pile on but like

    zzzz

    a) I don't think we've ever played together before, outside of MAYBE a big mash or two where I don't recall us ever concentrating on each other or interacting or anything. The last time I was physically in a teamgame, Igno didn't go out that day IIRC (if Igno was even on a team at all to begin with?).
    b) I've not had an especially successful wolf game in quite a long time, lol. Like, paranoia? From when? 2018?
    c) The sentiment expressed is beyond boilerplate and could easily be copypasted at this (relative) point in D1 in any single game and it would still get thoughtful head nods from anyone who's merely skimming along without further scrutiny

    idk if that is especially wolfy, especially considering igno sort of actually followed up on it (caveat: 3+ months later, and then apparently only because of RNG), that statement just annoys me in a vacuum and I feel like being a little petty today anyway


    Let me know what you think.
  27. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread I think more than putting the two of them at the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#958)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#957)
    Like, I've put in a reasonable amount of work over the past month-ish getting current with the thread and putting my thoughts down, and I've seen Actually Wolfy $%#! from TL and ignoramus that's hard for me to put aside in favor of a generic boilerplate line of reasoning based on activity patterns, especially when nobody's really explained to me why that Actually Wolfy $%#! isn't specifically wolfy for either of the two of them.

    Should those two be on the top of the yeet list? Also, could you point out some of the posts that look actually wolfy to you? And, if you've already done so and I was being my usual oblivious self, could you just link to the post that points out the wolfiness of those players?
    I think more than putting the two of them at the top of the chop list, I'd like them (and specifically what I find wolfy about them) to be discussed. Right now everyone's doing a lot of talking past each other; I'm looking for more talking *to* each other. If you/other people agree with me that I might be onto something, cool, let's turn it into a wagon. If not, that's cool too, at least we're getting somewhere.

    Anyway, my thoughts on them came in bursts of posting, let me grab them/try to sum up.
  28. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Like, I've put in a reasonable amount of work...

    Like, I've put in a reasonable amount of work over the past month-ish getting current with the thread and putting my thoughts down, and I've seen Actually Wolfy $%#! from TL and ignoramus that's hard for me to put aside in favor of a generic boilerplate line of reasoning based on activity patterns, especially when nobody's really explained to me why that Actually Wolfy $%#! isn't specifically wolfy for either of the two of them.

  29. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread My issue with this line of reasoning is that it's...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#954)
    Hi Hi!

    So a few things:

    1. You asked me about my suspect shortlist back around 794, and I'm not sure it was clear that this was my reply 808, so just to make it clear, I went back and actually hand counted how many posts each player made per month, made a chart, and tried to figure out what type of activity trends I could find. I noticed that the following FOUR players had a similar playstyle of REGULARLY checking into the game, but lacking meaningful contribution. To me, I interpreted this as coasting, but something kept bringing them back, which is where I theorize wolf chat comes into play, but that's a weaker separate thing that I don't really want to touch. Main thing is coasting playstyle.

    Cuthalion
    Michelle
    lendunistus
    sheepsaysmeep

    They should all be considered to be under the highest level of scrutinty (which is why it makes zero sense to me that Ara has sheep as top town... but that's a whole other thing).

    Again, I'm sorry to put you in this position because I really do like you personally, and I understand your reasons for coasting, I read it in a spoiler in one of your previous posts about other ongoing games, I get it, but it's also been a whole year so... that's a thing.
    My issue with this line of reasoning is that it's boiling down your solving to a single issue that can very well be handwaved by outside factors. It's discounting most of the actual work and posts made in the thread in favor of a single pattern of behavior, that - while it may be wolf-indicative! - it also might just not be.

    Even though so far we're pretty hamstrung that nobody's really been able to extend a conversation unless they happen to be online and checking the thread at the same time as somebody else, I think we can do better on D1 than this.

    (that said, if we do end up consolidating on those four names, I'll probably land on lend.)
  30. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread With a couple of notable exceptions, nobody's...

    With a couple of notable exceptions, nobody's really interacting with each other, certainly not in realtime. We're all just doing individual work and declaring our conclusions and waiting for other people to do the same before we re-declare them.

    Don't think this bodes well for town's chances long term. Not sure how to combat it given game format. Maybe schedule a realtiming session in advance?

    EO"D" is coming up anyway, hopefully it'll kind of naturally gravitate toward more of what I'm hoping for. If not, something to keep in mind for 2022.
  31. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Sheep what changed between these two posts? (I...

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#935)
    I p
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#934)
    sheep who *are* you compelled to resolve today?

    gotta be someone
    I plan on iso'ing everyone across like a couple weeks first lol and hopefully I experience some sudden magical revelation

    atm i'd prob vote TL straight up because you highlighting how he cried slip resonated quite well with me but I know he's had like 10 substantial posts since then that I gave no attention to

    I prob should've iso'ed TL first but like igno was first in the vote count and looked easy
    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#938)
    should not have gone to bulky tl iso next. they seem fine enough. prolonged brain aching.
    Sheep what changed between these two posts?

    (I get that you iso'd TL but it seems like the slip thing dropped significantly in your estimation - can you elaborate?)
  32. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread talk to me about him then? Why is he not...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#940)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#928)
    sheep v

    not especially a controversial read
    Is everyone going to accept this?

    I don't agree, and I don't understand how your perspective is one that accepts sheep as uncontroversial town read?

    It's like you're creating a false narrative that sheep is town, when I don't see it that way at all.
    talk to me about him then? Why is he not villagery to you?
  33. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread sheep who *are* you compelled to resolve today? ...

    sheep who *are* you compelled to resolve today?

    gotta be someone
  34. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Here's a mockup I did of Ara's usual avatar but...

    Here's a mockup I did of Ara's usual avatar but with the danklissa sunglasses on:



    Ara if you have a higher-res version you want this treatment applied to, just let me know
  35. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread it's definitely LEAST TOWNIE though

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#929)
    idk if that is especially wolfy
    it's definitely LEAST TOWNIE though
  36. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread From Ara's igno iso a little bit ago, the actual...

    From Ara's igno iso a little bit ago, the actual quoted bit is from July:

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#912)
    GH is GH I need a lot of help to solve him (and a lot of help to get over my paranoia too)
    I'm really not trying to pile on but like

    zzzz

    a) I don't think we've ever played together before, outside of MAYBE a big mash or two where I don't recall us ever concentrating on each other or interacting or anything. The last time I was physically in a teamgame, Igno didn't go out that day IIRC (if Igno was even on a team at all to begin with?).
    b) I've not had an especially successful wolf game in quite a long time, lol. Like, paranoia? From when? 2018?
    c) The sentiment expressed is beyond boilerplate and could easily be copypasted at this (relative) point in D1 in any single game and it would still get thoughtful head nods from anyone who's merely skimming along without further scrutiny

    idk if that is especially wolfy, especially considering igno sort of actually followed up on it (caveat: 3+ months later, and then apparently only because of RNG), that statement just annoys me in a vacuum and I feel like being a little petty today anyway
  37. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread sheep v not especially a controversial read,...

    sheep v

    not especially a controversial read, but still

    his latest spat of posting has locked it in for me for a good while, I think
  38. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread meh I suppose the whole "GH/visor wtf exactly is...

    meh I suppose the whole "GH/visor wtf exactly is going on there something POTENTIALLY WORRISOME HUH" take could count for a delivery of a wolfread, but I don't like how it's conditional and obviously the conclusion itself that I'm a wolf (unless it's talking about Visor?) is incorrect, BUT STILL.

    oh also, this is a real read, I didn't like the wording of the final conclusion: "least townie" as opposed to "wolfiest" or something similar is legitimately a wolfy way to present it
  39. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread @ Frog does this take still hold up now that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#918)
    i think igno is town now if i didnt before

    *legal clause stating i havent slept in 48 hours and have lost over 10 lbs in that time, very delirious
    @ Frog does this take still hold up now that you're (hopefully) recovering?

    because igno's post to the above filled me with precisely nothing
  40. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread give me some WOLVES

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#915)
    1. Sheep: town, reason being (from p#22-p#112) relaxed vibe while still making reads and stuff (albeit pretty minimal)
    P#271 I only read a teeny bit but majority weren't doing much (or doing anything At All) so his effort to make this raises his town equity
    Like
    He's one of the first ones to do it, if not The first to do it
    So I feel like it's more town-indicative, especially given his still fairly relaxed tone
    Gonna be assuming for this part but I think a mafia/non-town who was this relaxed wouldn't make much reads/progress until everyone else did so


    2. Lendunistus: so obvious in his "I don't give a damn. I do Not want to play" attitude I think he might just be town?? Not as townie as Sheep but still town


    3. Visor: is him and Hankerchief talking to each other so much non w/w indicative? Because to me it is and I doubt y'all will be able to change that for a while mnitwerk:
    Also saw a bit of GH and his conversations (p#311) and if anything, probably GH/Visor w/t?? Feels too much like "I Shall Take Advantage Of Him Not Doing Much And Pocket Him Through Reads :evil:" out of all three, least townie


    Just my luck the RNG picker I used went for majority lower posters

    Anyway : peace_out : for like. Another year
    Or until I die first
    Whichever goes first
    give me some WOLVES
  41. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Marshal, your stance on Koba has been noted....

    Marshal,

    your stance on Koba has been noted. You'll note that in my last reads list I basically pushed Koba down a tier out of paranoia and part of that may have been internalized from what you've been pushing for most of the year.

    I'm still not interested in going there today for a number of reasons:

    - I don't think Koba pushing so hard to get people involved is especially AI, considering their background. Even if you contract the game time in a more normal 36/12 or 48/24 or something this has been a low-activity game so far and I don't especially think Koba, who typically plays in quick and high-volume environments(?), is used to it.

    - I think Koba's early interactions with certain people, typically Visor, back when they were taking a good amount of heat, was something that a wolf would do in that position. Instead of looking to disengage and sort of regain their footing in the thread, Koba instead kept on the attack and tried to "win" the argument in a way that went beyond trying to paint Visor as wolfy. Basically there were two typical roads a wolf takes in that sort of position, and Koba didn't really take either.

    - It's a marathon, not a sprint, and I'm not chopping the top poster in a game with this low activity, not on D1 anyway lol

    - This is a truly terrible take but I still gutread jumpluff's (who Koba replaced) opener as villagery

    - I don't get what differentiates Koba from Frog in your mind, seeing as how Frog has also taken a sort of similar approach and view of the gamestate while you've toptowned him and yet have been pushing Koba all year.
  42. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread @ Ara I think your final spoilered paragraph is...

    @ Ara I think your final spoilered paragraph is the heart of it for me re: TL and the whole "slip" reaction

    will get back more into things tomorrow
  43. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Funnily enough, I've had several theories on the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#873)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#872)
    Frog since we've basically never been concurrently active ITT at all, is there anything you wanted to ask me?
    For the most part I've avoided interacting with you or about you. I figure you're close to self-resolving anyway.

    When you were pushing me earlier my tactical decision was to continue playing on and avoid your distractions to my solving. If I played enough, I was positive there would be something that most town players could identify my play with as, 'oh yeah that's town!Frog'.

    But as for direct questions... I guess I would just ask questions here to move along my own state of the game.

    Do you think wolf chat would influence wolves to check-in an post more consistently across the year? I'm trying to come up with a theory on activity based reads, and it's not necessarily 'sort by postcount'.
    Funnily enough, I've had several theories on the possible makeup and different forms that this game's wolfchat would take and how it would affect the unique environment. I've consciously held off from elaborating about it/dumping thoughts here ITT, because frankly, I didn't think it would be extremely sporting and was steering a little too close to angleshooting for my own personal comfort.

    Definitely a fascinating subject to think about, but I think one that's best left to speculate about privately and then see if I was right about in 2027.

    Short answer: It depends on a LOT, but overall, I think yes.
  44. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Frog since we've basically never been...

    Frog since we've basically never been concurrently active ITT at all, is there anything you wanted to ask me?
  45. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread aight personally I'm not sure exactly where...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#867)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#866)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#854)
    ... I get the sense that today is probably going to result in a shrug death, regardless of alignment!!!!
    How invested are you in this prediction? Is this something you'd actively like to prevent if possible? Something you'd actively like to see through? Are you somewhere in the middle? Do you think it would benefit the gamestate if this happens?
    It's probably not something which I'd actively like to prevent? Particularly as it'll probably be beneficial for the overall game/possibly gamestate if it happens, main reasoning being that if we don't and are incorrect, the ramifications of that would be very not great for handling next year!!

    I wouldn't say I'd actively like to see it through though and it's not something I'm factoring into my reads, it's more... this feels like a natural result of my/general game reads where I find it quite likely to happen regardless!!

    Just a rather boring observation after putting down a readlist, not anything profound or surprising!!!
    aight

    personally I'm not sure exactly where I'm at w/r/t this question, probably somewhat close to you overall I'd guess but perhaps a smidgen more of "$%#! it, let the chips fall where they may"
  46. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread How invested are you in this prediction? Is this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#854)
    ... I get the sense that today is probably going to result in a shrug death, regardless of alignment!!!!
    How invested are you in this prediction? Is this something you'd actively like to prevent if possible? Something you'd actively like to see through? Are you somewhere in the middle? Do you think it would benefit the gamestate if this happens?
  47. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Yeah I guess, I'm aware that there are definitely...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#863)
    So it turns out I actually share half a brain with myself from 6 months (it's already been half a year?!) ago, who would've guessed?

    Since you're here though, I'll attempt to elaborate: I suppose maybe it's something which I would expect moreso from a town!Sheep, which I feel like is more plausible from either a mafia!GH or town!GH in a vacuum, if that makes sense?

    Also I just... don't look at something and go yeah, everyone who takes this particular line of thinking is towny, evaluating everyone separately!!!!
    Yeah I guess, I'm aware that there are definitely outside factors to this sort of stuff, but it really seemed like this was as close to an "in a vacuum" scenario as there's possible to be, which is what made me take notice of it in the first place. I still don't think there's as much context to it as you're implying, especially since it was just gut reactions on your readback, but yeah.

    This isn't really the sort of thing where either of us can convince the other, I'm just more stating my concern about it and you're stating your own side, so really the only further point in this argument is how long we can drag it out until other people start calling us "not w/w" from it.
  48. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread Right, but it was just off one singular take. ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#859)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#856)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#850)
    Also good to see you back GH!! Didn't read most of your takes as not there yet, but why do you think us agreeing on takes should just... result in me calling you town? You acknowledged that your read touched on my read of you often, but the focus is sort of weird, in a not alignment-indicative way!!
    My issue that there seems to be a discrepancy in the way you treat people with very similar reactions/takes. Sheep and I were pretty closely aligned on Frog's early posting and the way we responded to it; yet you've toptowned him and pretty much never wavered on that point while holding me at arm's length for most of the game.

    Obviously sheep and I have diverged since then, but in the beginning, you were very off in the way you read our similar behavior for reasons that I don't see you put anywhere.
    -shrug-

    Reading you in different ways, not really sure how much there is to elaborate on that with!!!!
    Right, but it was just off one singular take.

    It wasn't like an expansive body of work thing.

    You toptowned sheep for making this post:

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#32)
    frog ignoramus wolves for feeling a need to be around doing things

    back in 6 months to explain why this is wolfy coherently

    back in 2 years to solve the rest of the game
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#253)
    Sheep top town for P#32; concisely a big part of what I was thinking about Frog, but also yes that minorly applies to ignoramus!!!!!!
    And yet, in my eyes, after I made what was a very similar post with a very similar scope, you had a vastly different reaction:

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#108)
    Ok so this post from Frog:

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#60)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#55)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#48)
    +^
    Also, talking in accents when you're putting on a show / lying is a thing, maybe, probably if you squint hard enough it makes sense.

    I say "howdy" as my first posts in a lot of games. Just as an FYI.
    Tell me Wes, when you look at me, what do you see? Some Solo Hero? Some James McClown? Well I am, I am those things. But do you take me for a total fool? Hmmm??

    You, sir, are a liar liar with pants on fire.

    Taking a winter dip into your opening posts over the last year or so for normal games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#4)
    Okay, one case of the 'Howdy', but you were Mafia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#167)
    Man I'm sort of upset last game got reranded. I was claiming odd vigi with the first letter of each of my posts and wanted to see if I could draw the nk. Now I'm the even vigi so it doesn't even make sense to try and draw the nk now
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#113)
    Hallo o/
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#41)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sett (#40)
    Tom Nook should be in Smash Brothers tbh.
    But we already have Isabelle, the perfect AC character.
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#4)
    First
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#12)
    My neighbor says you two talking about neighbor stuff is boring.
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#3021)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#2553)
    Welcome to the Non-Voter Union

    @JSmith27 (3), @Luco (19), @Wesmaster160 (0), @Transcend (0), @The Nothing (0), @tchaz (10), @Spartan057 (0), @SilverKeith (0), @Secondhand Revenant (19), @Riki (0), @Mill Crab (0), @Little Endian (0), @Angrypotato (89), @Limestone (0), @LKJ (0), @Frog (3), @dLGN (0), @confirmed troll (13), @carolinacoder (1), @Bunnelby (23), @beeboy (0), @Apoc (4), @yogsloth (4)

    We represent over a third of the game; that's not good.

    Just off pure statistics, there's likely to be at least 5 wolves in this group, but that's okay, because there's also likely to be at least 15 villagers in here too!

    While everyone else started early, most of us here started late or haven't even started at all.

    AGAIN, that's okay, we're going to do something important here

    I will exclusively solve for alignments of people in here today, and I request that each of you attempts to solve my alignment please

    Let's continue to pester each other in order to solve a third of the game today!


    Write me down as one of the villagers
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#166)
    Ayo. On break for a bit, anyone found a wolf yet?
    No howdy.

    In conclusion, lol 😆 😂 🤣

    I dunno, it's still a random-ish vote but now I don't hate it.

    Do you actually say howdy to open games now? I'm assuming you probably don't lie about something silly like that, unless?? I have no idea why you'd like about that tbh. I'm stumped.


    I didn't hate it quite as much on reread as I did when he first posted it (yes I've been following along "live"), but I still think it's a bad post from Frog. I get that "it's Frog" is the go-to defense here but there's certain $%#! that you can meta out and even be nittery about it (ladd is very good at this sort of thing). Somebody using "howdy" in an entry post and it being alignment-indicative is not one of those things, and dredging up a bunch of examples, regardless of the ultimate conclusion, isn't villagery - it's busywork designed to look villagery, and I think Frog knows this.

    ##Vote Frog
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#254)
    I don't really like how much I'm mindmelding with GeneralHankerchief's P#108, but I suppose that's a thing!!!!

    [snip]

    Other GeneralHankerchief thoughts are a lot of words and seem solid I guess, don't have much else to say there; they seem initially mildly towny, I suppose! Somewhat liking GH trying to solicit thoughts from Amy, feeling like the way town!GH approaches/considers the thread as a whole in solving things and stuff!! I feel like GH is trying to pocket me with the Amy take in P#135 as I'm pretty sure he's referring to what I was thinking; it might be working though, even if I don't necessarily agree entirely!!!!!
    I just think that a more natural reaction would be to more closely group your read on myself and sheep given the above similarities is all, and I'm a bit skeptical about this.

    That said, you having the exact same discrepancy upon your October catch-up is... something... and is giving me pause on really slamming this home, so now my overall tone is one of "confusion" than "suspicion".
  49. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread My issue that there seems to be a discrepancy in...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#850)
    Also good to see you back GH!! Didn't read most of your takes as not there yet, but why do you think us agreeing on takes should just... result in me calling you town? You acknowledged that your read touched on my read of you often, but the focus is sort of weird, in a not alignment-indicative way!!
    My issue that there seems to be a discrepancy in the way you treat people with very similar reactions/takes. Sheep and I were pretty closely aligned on Frog's early posting and the way we responded to it; yet you've toptowned him and pretty much never wavered on that point while holding me at arm's length for most of the game.

    Obviously sheep and I have diverged since then, but in the beginning, you were very off in the way you read our similar behavior for reasons that I don't see you put anywhere.
  50. Replies
    1,183
    Views
    29,188

    Game Thread I always forget one. Let's drop Michelle in with...

    I always forget one. Let's drop Michelle in with Amy and Cuth.
Results 1 to 50 of 3000
Page 1 of 60 1 2 3 4
about us
Mafia Universe is a community hub for people who enjoy playing the forum variant of Mafia (also known as Werewolf). We offer fully automated Mafia games and a wide variety of customized features crafted to optimize your game experience. We also proudly host the Internet's only database of Mafia/Werewolf communities.

We hope you stick around!
Role of the Day
Illusionist

The Illusionist starts the game with 1 gun (1-shot day vigilante shot). Once per game on any night, the Illusionist may choose a target. If the Illusionist fires their gun during any day phase after having chosen a target, the gun will be revealed as having been fired by the Illusionist's target.