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  1. Postgame#25192

    Thread: Sports Mash

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    Completed 100% this. I'm not sure why people started to...

    Quote Originally Posted by UncleDynamite (#25183)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#25145)
    Main problem with modblocking is it can do counterproductive i.e. beneficial things.

    Like spewing people as not the wolf vig. If that happens, those people have thus benefited from not meeting the posting minimum and being modblocked. That is a problem.
    I have never played here, so it is possible things are quite different at MU and I am talking out of my $%#!, but it seems to me that in closed set-ups, being spewed as not being the wolf vig only matters when the village will lose during the following night unless they lynch or kill the wolf vig during that particular day.

    In that situation, being spewed “not wolf vig”, is certainly annoying to wolves, but the alternatives to modblocking seem worse. For example, having a blanket “mk all 0-posters” rule could prove quite unfortunate if several people 0-post. Letting things go without punishment (other than possible subbing) impacts game balance the least, but it very much against the spirit of the game.

    Also, I seem to remember (unless things have changed drastically after MU was created) that 0-posters tend to be villagers more often than not. This -if true- should IMO assuage concerns about the fact that modblocking villagers could hurt wolves.
    100% this. I'm not sure why people started to think removing the modblock is a good idea in recent games
  2. Postgame#25180

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    Completed you can't do that on any night phase post night 1...

    you can't do that on any night phase post night 1 though
  3. Postgame#25178

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    Completed yeah that is an issue

    Quote Originally Posted by UncleDynamite (#25177)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione Granger (#25158)
    What if we have a some sort of game mechanic that transfers the power roles from 0 posters to vts and don't modblock the slankers?

    Like as a game mechanic. There are issues with this but I think something like this should solve the power removal from games
    Should the 0-poster remain in the game and start posting the next day, this will increase the number of claimable and verifiable roles, since the former vanilla will be able to claim their new role and the 0-poster will be able to potentially clear 2 people (themselves and the vanilla) by confirming the claim.

    In order to counteract this, additional anticlaiming mechanisms would have to be implemented, probably making the original idea more trouble that it is worth.
    yeah that is an issue
  4. Postgame#25174

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    Completed It can be a only at start of night 1 thing and a...

    It can be a only at start of night 1 thing and a public mechanic.
  5. Postgame#25170

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    Completed we also didn't modblock lurkers in anni for some...

    we also didn't modblock lurkers in anni for some reason that it was not discussed with me. I found it pretty lame myself
  6. Postgame#25169

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    Completed There were 30 other wolves who could decide the...

    Quote Originally Posted by bopolis (#25166)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione Granger (#25161)
    Quote Originally Posted by bopolis (#25160)
    Another reason 0/low posters weren’t modblocked was because if we had to sub a PR in the night they would still be able to use their actions, and we were thinking about the town when this was talked about and not the wolves.

    We felt modblocking them punished everyone else of that persons alignment in those cases for something they didn’t do more than the offender
    yeah but it would still benefit the wolves more.
    agree to disagree
    There were 30 other wolves who could decide the not modblocked player action and use it

    there was no player for a not modblocked town to use it unless if someone was replacing in

    in case there was a replacement they didn't know anything about the game when those 30 players who could use the wolf action were already playing the game and were informed about the game state

    so yeah no modblocking is pretty wolf sided in general - not saying in turned out to be in this game - because wolf team were pretty much active anyway.
  7. Postgame#25161

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    Completed yeah but it would still benefit the wolves more.

    Quote Originally Posted by bopolis (#25160)
    Another reason 0/low posters weren’t modblocked was because if we had to sub a PR in the night they would still be able to use their actions, and we were thinking about the town when this was talked about and not the wolves.

    We felt modblocking them punished everyone else of that persons alignment in those cases for something they didn’t do more than the offender
    yeah but it would still benefit the wolves more.
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    When will Christmas end in your snow leopards...

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonious (#30)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione Granger (#28)
    When will you change your avatar
    I dread the day it comes. Ideally, i never change, snow leopard is my special mu avatar.

    edit : To expand it fits REALLY well wit h the default theme. Whites, blacks, light blue ,and a bit of red. I dont intend to change the avatar.
    When will Christmas end in your snow leopards land?
  9. Postgame#25158

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    Completed What if we have a some sort of game mechanic that...

    What if we have a some sort of game mechanic that transfers the power roles from 0 posters to vts and don't modblock the slankers?

    Like as a game mechanic. There are issues with this but I think something like this should solve the power removal from games
  10. Postgame#25157

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    Completed yeah I acknoledged that the role coule get peeked...

    Quote Originally Posted by lulz (#25134)
    Quote Originally Posted by lulz (#25133)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione Granger (#25124)

    I don't know what are you trying to imply here?
    You said the role is overpowered when there is no evidence of that whatsoever and there were clues from the onset that the role was before the game even started.
    *clues the role was scum before the game started.
    yeah I acknoledged that the role coule get peeked or shot faster cause it was so "on sight"

    how does that change anything about how overpowered the role is?
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    When will you change your avatar

    When will you change your avatar
  12. yeah it litteraly nuked the game down/broke it. I...

    Quote Originally Posted by LanMisa (#482)
    I would like to nominate Smartbomb for Best use of a power Role for Sport Mash. Was his role imbalanced? Definitely. Should town have lynched him D1 or copped N1? Of course. And we all expected it to happen for certain. But Smartbomb never stopped. He sent messages to basically EVERY PLAYER D1 (including wolves), he pocketed swarms of PR's, he kept their night actions far away from us... and even when Wolfy basically outed him D6 people STILL trusted him.

    In my opinion, Mafia is a game of information, and us always knowing more PR's than we could kill, constantly, was HUGE on our way to victory. And it was all done by a single person. Utterly impressive.
    yeah it litteraly nuked the game down/broke it. I won't second this because of the role, I seconded him as best wolf player though and I think he deserve that category not this because the role was not ok to begin with But he played the game really great and he deserves to be recognised
  13. Postgame#25128

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    Completed I didn't blame him for not killing him. I blamed...

    Quote Originally Posted by EvanManManMan (#25127)
    He shot them in ITAs

    U can't blame lulz for not killing him
    I didn't blame him for not killing him. I blamed him for not getting him killed. he was blaming me for not getting him killed. Thing is that I got my scumreads killed and they all flipped scum. he didn't. If he wants to brag about his useless read that he couldn't take it to action and get the scum killed, he is free to do so.

    stop tilting me.

    :thumbs down:
  14. Postgame#25126

    Thread: Sports Mash

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    Completed Like give me a break. I called out more than...

    Like give me a break.

    I called out more than 10 scums and pushed them all with my limited time.

    I was not even remembering prince is alive with such role till last day which I was alive in and he contacted me with a claim list that was coordinated by mill crab. I read like less than 5% of thread overall and I was a vt.
  15. Postgame#25124

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    Completed I was concerned about prince taldram. I even...

    Quote Originally Posted by lulz (#25112)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione Granger (#25085)
    Quote Originally Posted by lulz (#25084)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione Granger (#25072)
    The role is a mass neighborizer. It is by every definition broken

    You're understimating the power of a neighbroize
    The role was not a mass neighborizor. I scumread it immediatly upon reading it and then it was reinforced because what he said to me in private was different in tone than what he said in the thread. Maybe you should have PM'd the slot game solving questions and judged the result in the game thread.
    I didn't have time to solve every slot in game. I had like 30 minutes per day to spend in game and I got 6-7 scumreads and so many townreads based on it. I didn't have any interactions with prince personaly till last day when he gave me a list of claims and I sorted those claims but didn't spend time to sort him out.

    Regardless, the role that can unlimitedly talk with everyone is a mass neighborizer. I don't udnerstand what do you mean when you say it's not.

    And yes before you say anything else I said this more than enough that I agree that town played horrible in regards of that role and sb played it great. that's not the point I was trying to make so maybe read my post first and then decide to mock me for something that was not my responsibility or my mistake.
    OK. I scumread Prince Taldaram's slot by reading the MODPOSTS. Total time estimated 3 min tops.

    ~~~HEY GUYS TOWN PR'S KEEP GETTING KILLED...IS THERE SOME SORT OF MASS COMMUNICATOR THAT'S COORDINATING THIS?~~~
    I was concerned about prince taldram. I even mentioned that at some point. I didn't persue it cause mill crab was coordinating actions with him and I thought he knows what he is doing and I had other (also wolves) targets to chase.

    I litteraly was pushing more than half of the flipped wolves and some of the unflipped ones and I read less than 5% of the game because of real life.

    I don't know what are you trying to imply here? Why didn't YOU kill prince taldram? There are 132 slots in this game not just me.
  16. Postgame#25089

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    Completed great game smart bomb you play spectacular...

    great game smart bomb

    you play spectacular with neighborhoods. I don't know why people keep trusting you when they are repeatedly proven that you're great in neighborhoods as scum and in pocketing people XD
  17. Postgame#25085

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    Completed I didn't have time to solve every slot in game. I...

    Quote Originally Posted by lulz (#25084)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione Granger (#25072)
    Quote Originally Posted by mhsmith0 (#24958)
    Mikan role nit broken at all
    Town PRs needed to not blindly trust it mainly
    8/10 times it doesn’t do much useful for wolves imo
    The role is a mass neighborizer. It is by every definition broken

    You're understimating the power of a neighbroize
    The role was not a mass neighborizor. I scumread it immediatly upon reading it and then it was reinforced because what he said to me in private was different in tone than what he said in the thread. Maybe you should have PM'd the slot game solving questions and judged the result in the game thread.
    I didn't have time to solve every slot in game. I had like 30 minutes per day to spend in game and I got 6-7 scumreads and so many townreads based on it. I didn't have any interactions with prince personaly till last day when he gave me a list of claims and I sorted those claims but didn't spend time to sort him out.

    Regardless, the role that can unlimitedly talk with everyone is a mass neighborizer. I don't udnerstand what do you mean when you say it's not.

    And yes before you say anything else I said this more than enough that I agree that town played horrible in regards of that role and sb played it great. that's not the point I was trying to make so maybe read my post first and then decide to mock me for something that was not my responsibility or my mistake.
  18. Postgame#25082

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    Completed I would argue that is wrong too. A role that is...

    Quote Originally Posted by Weatherguy (#25081)
    I understand that it has a lot of great utility;

    But you just peek him and wolves instantly lose one. Giving village essentially a free spotlight on a 50/50 wolf is very strong and I would argue counteracts a lot of the utility that it grants wolves. I guarantee that this scenario will never happen again if a mass neighbor is in a MU game.
    I would argue that is wrong too. A role that is too much out there for people to kill it/peek it is a litteral death sentence if sb was playing it bad and that is also wrong.

    The role had a huge variance in its effect. It could be a disaster for scums or to give them what it did in this game. Both sides are wrong. a role with this huge variance that can nuke the game flow should not be in setups in first place or need huge restrictions/ways to escape.
  19. Postgame#25080

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    Completed I also understand the fun of that role and how...

    I also understand the fun of that role and how much it's skill based. Neighbroizer is the most brilliant mafia role of all time. It's extremely dynamic, powerful and fun cause it's skill based.

    I don't remember not putting a neighborizer in any large game I designed. I love it XD

    I think SB role was extremely overdoing it and that you're underestimating how powerful the role and its impact is.
  20. Postgame#25079

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    Completed It's hard to see how it broke the game cause it...

    It's hard to see how it broke the game cause it didn't break it mechanically. If you don't like the word breaking, use the world too OP. I still stand by the word breaking based on following definition of game breaking mechanics from my article on good game designs:

    A mechanic is broken in two scenarios:

    A) If the mechanic causes a huge effect on balance on its own and/or concludes the game or a part of it on its own. A game of mafia must have a decent and reasonable timeline which is designed so the uninformed majority (Town) can have the enough resources to figure the game out. Letting a single mechanic potentially conclude your game as a whole or conclude a decent part of it without an introduction or a journey, is to break your game.

    B) If the mechanic makes the game discussions pointless. If a mechanic is changing the discussion-based game to an action fiesta that removes the point of day chat, your mechanic is broken and a fun killer.
    The role is probably in top three of most powerful roles I ever encountered and first in that list is a role that could order the game host to modkill all slots XD

    A mass neighbroizer is very different from a 1 person or 2 person per day neighborize. It's more powerful when it's 1v1 chats. And yeah its a double edge sword and if its played bad it's a death sentence. non of these means it didn't have so much utility or justifies it's ability to nuke the game flow.
  21. seconded

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkoRaj (#474)
    Nominate lanmisa for best rookie

    Write up to follow, just don't want to forget
    seconded
  22. Postgame#25078

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    Completed yeah all three sentences are true: Sb played...

    yeah all three sentences are true:

    Sb played it really well
    Town played it really bad
    The role nuked this game and broke it by getting so many claims/pocketing so many people

    You must always consider the worst case scanrio with roles when balancing them. The role had "so much utility" that could nuke the game if played well/if people in opposite were playing bad. mass neighborizer was not a good role to be added to game because it gave the potential for nuking the game to sb and he used it.
  23. Postgame#25074

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    Completed What I said on discord: neighbroizer is a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione Granger (#25072)
    Quote Originally Posted by mhsmith0 (#24958)
    Mikan role nit broken at all
    Town PRs needed to not blindly trust it mainly
    8/10 times it doesn’t do much useful for wolves imo
    The role is a mass neighborizer. It is by every definition broken

    You're understimating the power of a neighbroize
    What I said on discord:

    neighbroizer is a double edge blade role
    the role provides high utility for manipulation
    and is perfect for other people so they can read u better
    a mass neighborizer means the role is 1000 time more extreme in both cases
    there were 2 billion ways to catch sb this game
    and he had the utility to pocket everyone, get their claims and manage the game however he wanted
    as both are possible > the role is providing too much utility - it is based on skill but still it's too much utility > the role is broken
    the utility is that it can hunt So many claims
    and to manage a lynch/ita shots
    and effect everything indirectly
    No one denies sb played a great game here
    such role should not exist
  24. Seconded

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#469)
    I'm not sure if it's considered too early in the year to drop names for Best Scum/Neutral Player yet, but Smartbomb's back to back performances in Anniversary and Sports mashes should be on the table for something. Through convincing tone, effective pocketing, and a tremendous amount of effort, he managed to entice a ridiculous number of villagers in two consecutive games to privately reveal their roles to him, and he survived to end game in both without much scrutiny despite flaunting powers that non-town would never realistically allow to exist in the game for so long.
    Seconded
  25. Postgame#25073

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    Completed Thanks for the game! It was really fun and I was...

    Thanks for the game! It was really fun and I was really missing the action!
  26. Postgame#25072

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    Completed The role is a mass neighborizer. It is by every...

    Quote Originally Posted by mhsmith0 (#24958)
    Mikan role nit broken at all
    Town PRs needed to not blindly trust it mainly
    8/10 times it doesn’t do much useful for wolves imo
    The role is a mass neighborizer. It is by every definition broken

    You're understimating the power of a neighbroize
  27. Postgame#25071

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    Completed You should have listened to my Marko read and...

    You should have listened to my Marko read

    and I should have had a little time to show you scum in WG and wolfy as I was seeing them when I was alive.
  28. Postgame#25070

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    Completed This was one of those game were from my 20 reads,...

    This was one of those game were from my 20 reads, 19 were correct and accurate, and there was my roundabout read.

    Though I tried to hint it was weaker than I was thinking in my last post.
  29. Day 4#21174

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    Completed I'm too tired to recheck based on what posts I...

    I'm too tired to recheck based on what posts I started tring math. will do so tomorrow if I was alive

    reduce the 95% to 90%
  30. Day 4#21159

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    Completed Roundabout made a derp way earlier that his town...

    Roundabout made a derp way earlier that his town would know. he was playing to his town meta fully.
  31. Day 4#21151

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    Completed I think roundabout is town with a 95% certainty.

    I think roundabout is town with a 95% certainty.
  32. Day 4#21119

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    Completed I have to stop and go to sleep before my body...

    I have to stop and go to sleep before my body turns to ashes tbh.

    ##Vote Empoof
  33. Day 4#21118

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    Completed why is grant town

    why is grant town
  34. Day 4#21110

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    Completed fake claim then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant (#21106)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione Granger (#21098)
    I like that claim coming from you but I'm sure a town doctor already flipped didn't they?
    Probably. I guess I should pay more attention to the flips.
    fake claim then?
  35. Day 4#21104

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    Completed and no I don't wish death in mafia games. I got 4...

    and no I don't wish death in mafia games. I got 4 scum in this game with my limited time and effort and that was hard. It would be a great out if I would ie to that reflection from my last scum read instead of being in thread mostly useless and paranoid with red eyes and when all parts of my body hurts.
  36. Day 4#21098

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    Completed I like that claim coming from you but I'm sure a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant (#21096)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione Granger (#21088)
    I would be happier if I was dieing by that mooni reflection yesterday instead of shad.
    Do you wish you'd died last night?

    Sorry if I saved you and you preferred death.
    I like that claim coming from you but I'm sure a town doctor already flipped didn't they?
  37. Day 4#21088

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    Completed I would be happier if I was dieing by that mooni...

    I would be happier if I was dieing by that mooni reflection yesterday instead of shad.
  38. Day 4#21066

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    Completed where were you all before me expressing my...

    where were you all before me expressing my paranoia?

    This is fishy af

    I feel like most of the people in thread are wolves rn
  39. Day 4#21061

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    Completed now you're even scumreading him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#21054)
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkoRaj (#21045)
    $#@!ing idiots shoot $#@!ing villagers all day and then I'm a $#@!ing wolf for it

    Go $#@! yourselves the lot of you
    You shot with one minute left in itas despite being here all the time

    Come on Marco
    now you're even scumreading him?
  40. Day 4#21020

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    Completed I'm so tired to be of any use. this game is just...

    I'm so tired to be of any use. this game is just in the worst period for me and I've been really busy with other things. yet I got the half of the flipped scums in this.

    I'm going to bed before i die.
  41. Day 4#20999

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    Completed I think marko is scum. he doesn't have the spark...

    I think marko is scum. he doesn't have the spark of solving, he is not leading anything like he does when he is town. he is just in sideline telling his reads and those enever ended in a scum death.
  42. Day 4#20929

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    Completed ANd I started isoing them when itas started and...

    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#20921)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione Granger (#20917)
    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#20894)
    Quote Originally Posted by .113 (#20888)
    If they did its their fault for not using it
    no one corroborated it.
    It was like the third post in their iso - their soft

    I mentioned it and asked them to come cleamn and claim it and yet you guys kept him ita list
    i asked for reasons to remove people before ITAs started.
    ANd I started isoing them when itas started and found that they softed a confirmable role. how did you not see that in their short iso in first place if you were the one who put it on the shot list?
  43. Day 4#20917

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    Completed It was like the third post in their iso - their...

    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#20894)
    Quote Originally Posted by .113 (#20888)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione Granger (#20882)
    I hope they didn't have a confirmable role like they claimed whe I was reading their iso
    If they did its their fault for not using it
    no one corroborated it.
    It was like the third post in their iso - their soft

    I mentioned it and asked them to come cleamn and claim it and yet you guys kept him ita list
  44. Day 4#20902

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    Completed you don't look sad about loosing the game and you...

    Quote Originally Posted by effen (#20890)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hermione Granger (#20878)
    ##Vote effen
    oh wait you're serious
    LOLOLOL
    you don't look sad about loosing the game and you don't care for it it seems, yet you're trying to act like a leader so I concluded you're probably winning and you're scum

    am I wrong?
  45. Day 4#20889

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    Completed yeah thats what you get for putting a person who...

    yeah thats what you get for putting a person who claims that in shot list
  46. Day 4#20882

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    Completed I hope they didn't have a confirmable role like...

    I hope they didn't have a confirmable role like they claimed whe I was reading their iso
  47. Day 4#20878

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    Completed effen

    ##Vote effen
  48. Day 4#20869

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    Completed I felt the same way

    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#20865)
    i kind of feel like dp's WHAT was wolfy. discuss?
    I felt the same way
  49. Day 4#20866

    Thread: Sports Mash

    by Hermione Granger
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    Completed phitiger stop.

    phitiger stop.
  50. Day 4#20848

    Thread: Sports Mash

    by Hermione Granger
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    Completed that is true

    Quote Originally Posted by JMurder3 (#20844)
    I would think all wolves being ITA immune would be an even worse mechanic than no deaths...
    that is true
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