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Originally Posted by Ominoire 1685781318 (#650)

You say you're town, but what are you doing staying up past 1 AM?

What am I supposed to lock you in as scum now? 4:30am? Truly ridiculous

I honestly cannot believe SPF doesn't have more votes for being kinda obvious here and not playing to her town meta very much.

Anyways, should probably save my juice for later, i got up and gone away from my laptop for one second after i type that achro thing and then all of the sudden I am in "try less" mode when I wanted to go that hard on everyone.

Originally Posted by staypositivenemy 1685767071 (#400)

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685767007 (#399)

Originally Posted by staypositivenemy 1685766897 (#398)

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685766851 (#396)

did you like

stop reading past the point you bolded?

because they quite clearly immediately retract that read

and point out that it was a snap feeling

i no longer scumread you though

because you are being very loose with the reality

which makes me think that you are not mafia

because wolves worry about that

so good job have a townread

You were SRing me for siding with Litten when they felt the same.

I do lots of things, I am no longer plussed by engaging with you on the basis of what i thought 5 minutes ago

i am sure that you will continue to worry about my alignment for reasons or whatever

best that i ignore that and go and be strikingly handsome and townie elsewhere so that you can stop doing that

such as by

pointing out that my top scumreads are your scum ping and one of your nullreads

how cool is that?

...do you expect me to TR you now?

this doesn't seem like a fitting response to what Mac was saying tbh

Originally Posted by Ominoire 1685780748 (#646)

Cape, in this forum, you need reputation to survive. If you die here, we'll memorialize you as the guy who got yeeted for not clicking a link. It will be funny to talk about at the tavern.

Honestly, that is a really funny thought, a bit embarrassing though since im town

Esooa is probably town literally just for P#385/P#388 alone. Also just how they have treated the staypositivenemy slot and what they are townreading them for P#265/P#372/P#374/P#403

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685780400 (#642)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1685778988 (#630)

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685778171 (#627)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1685777736 (#623)

I feel like hearing that back helped me realize the post was not in 100% seriousness.

I took Achro's RVS push at face value.

But it does at least seem that Achro isn't entirely doing this to bull$%#! or whatever due to P#257/P#282/P#300 all of these things, though you could read the first post in jest, I would say it depends on what the intent is because it does look like Achro is simply dismissing any scumreads on Happy just by some partner association reads

But you didn't hear it back, cuz I didn't post a vocaroo link lol.

damn u caught me lying about clicking the vocaroo link and simply just reading the transcript

lying about clicking the vocaroo link is pretty much proof you're mafia lol

It really isn't

Originally Posted by Ominoire 1685773477 (#554)

Meanwhile, Kang doesn't want to give me the time of day even though I pestered him on P#525. I thought we were friends.

Originally Posted by Ominoire 1685774649 (#585)

I'll second the suspicion on Guillo from your second vocaroo, Mac. Personally, I think Kang would take the initiative in reading my slot after our last game together. Guillo correctly wolfread me despite my deepwolf status that game. By the end of that game, Guillo was jaded by the game setup and how the town allowed the mafia to trample over them. I would at least think Guillo would have some lingering resolve to read my slot after all that.

I think I can see where this is coming from if the said thing is true, especially given the dismissal of Guillo in P#593 in terms of them vocally not reading into you

Omin isn't w/w with SPF or Mac

Ominoire might be town just for him going from P#576 to P#633/P#636 but there is something there that just feels really just... questionable about them

I feel like the way Kang the Conqeror looked at the whole Achromatic/Litten thing looked like a really weird progression.

Originally Posted by Ominoire 1685779413 (#636)

Cape, I'm honestly tempted to vote you over that. It would be a fun story for the ages, if you're mafia.

NGL this feels scummy

So i invite it

Originally Posted by Ominoire 1685779129 (#633)

Man, that's some good bait.

I noticed it in P#625 and figured it was a mistake but didnt notice it in that initial post

Originally Posted by Happy 1685760480 (#262)

Originally Posted by Litten 1685760410 (#258)

Originally Posted by Happy 1685760037 (#229)

lol the 3 inno childs are clashing. can see this game being a wolf sweep

i wish I was as confident as this person to see three people clashing and thinking they are town
can you use your godlike powers to solve the game and do anything useful?

im pacing myself until everyone posts

this is a strange response to litten

nvm that makes me sound like a crazy person lol

if my head talks out loud to me when im reading words, that counts as hearing it back right?

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685778171 (#627)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1685777736 (#623)

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685777300 (#621)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1685777116 (#620)

Achromatic's beginning was definitely overall fluffy and didn't have much meat on the bone, i will be honest and say that's fine but I felt it was worth mentioning. I felt that Achro's initial comment on townreading Esooa on P#90.

Also looking back on Achro's message about Litten being scum "He will struggle, it will look painful, but really we're doing what is best." comes off really strange to me, though I will say the comment about how Achro is a Tsundere as wolf is honestly accurate to what I have seen of his Hector wolf game recently.

My realizing that Hector was wolf in that last day might not have been expressed well, but I will say with the role he had there being this "judge" power in witch hunt, I felt like he would more strongarm the fact that he was judge and he had power over the vote at the end of the day, it was a lot more of a town leader role then a town "working with" role, which is what Achro was doing, he was being agreeable, but this is besides a huge sidenote LMAO. But yeah Achro was definitely pushing for people to work for their scumreads/townreads on him

No idea what P#118 means when Achro referred to "Weird is town tbh".

I find posts like P#155 to just be gut wolfy though not in a way I have seen from w!Achro. But it is in a way of this sort of teabagging type of way.

P#182 is definitely a questionable haphazard townread on Happy.

I am just not sure how to feel about the way Achro seems to be powertunneling on Litten in a flipless game, I usually would play like that more often then not if I believe there to be information gained from it. Like Achro is doing a lot of things that I feel like I should find wolfy but I kinda don't but do at the same time, it doesn't feel good.

Something about the comment of "Also Twice/SPF clearly v/v zzz" in P#278 does make me lean town slightly

When Achro said in P#357
"Oh, is Litten gone?

Cool I can be chill for the night before returning to Diablo IV and hunting the wolf tomorrow."
It felt TWTBAW to me.

I did like when Achro brought up P#468 when it came to meta, though sometimes as mafia I do fall back on it as a crutch, but it did show a good amount of recalling on Achro's part that felt to me like they were thinking like they were in that game, and there they were town.

Overall, I might be cooler on Achro then I was initially, I think that Achro is somewhat towny however just for the fact that he is kinda trying to take the reigns this game by "thunderdoming" Litten versus when they kinda said some more pockety and work with town type of things that I noticed in their wolf game.

https://vocaroo.com/

Caaape. Cape. What is that crap. Cmon bruv. Why are you hyperdetail reading Achro's litten push when it was RVS nonsense. Why are you doing it?

"He will struggle, it will look painful, but really we're doing what is best." comes off really strange to me...

No it doesn't it just sounds like somebody who is joking man. He's just like he's pretending his reads all strong cuz it's funny to do that sometimes. I do it all the time. And you scumread me for it too. And I'm not doing it in this game and you're not scumreading me. So pretend Achro is me. And read him that way. Cool. Glad we had this chat.

I feel like hearing that back helped me realize the post was not in 100% seriousness.

I took Achro's RVS push at face value.

But it does at least seem that Achro isn't entirely doing this to bull$%#! or whatever due to P#257/P#282/P#300 all of these things, though you could read the first post in jest, I would say it depends on what the intent is because it does look like Achro is simply dismissing any scumreads on Happy just by some partner association reads

But you didn't hear it back, cuz I didn't post a vocaroo link lol.

damn u caught me lying about clicking the vocaroo link and simply just reading the transcript

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685777923 (#625)

https://vocaroo.com/

Actually I'm going to apologise and take back the tone of my previous post because Cape, you obviously read the game very binary. And I actually think it's a good thing to do as town because you read people who are just being silly and nonsensical and doing silly things as wolfy and you read people who are being towny as towny and if you are allowed to do that and you are allowed to pursue that line and you become a member of the towncore pushing the agenda that direction it does cause mafia to have to townside and it does cause mafia to have to be sensible. And you know you will chop scummy town doing that, and you will suspect scummy town or townies that are doing silly things like reaction tests or whatever, but it's actually for the greater good. It actually is plus ev. All I would suggest is that you come to recognise that there are certain players that do that, and for some players who do that, such as myself when I do it, it obviously has a net benefit for the town wincon, but for other players who you don't know that that is true for, go with God. Don't try to townread them for that. But I think it's good that you wouldn't. If I was the only person who was in any mafia game that I was in that was playing weird like that. As town I mean. It would be better for the town. It would be better for the town. I actually prefer the rest of town to play that way. So I do apologise. But I do think that in this game that Achro is just playing that role and I do have a little bit of meta to back that up. It's not that he plays this way typically it's that he plays a much more standard sort of deep wolfgame, typically.

I have already outlined that I do townlean Achro for meta reasons and do adhere to that.

I know that I simply just sometimes do not get jokes when written over online, it happens to me. Not anyone's fault but mine.

Like if this entire time Achro has been reaction testing Litten for this long, for this many posts for him to brush it off as a silly RVS read achro has on someone who he doesnt think is scum is a questionable use of time if that's the case.

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685777300 (#621)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1685777116 (#620)

Achromatic's beginning was definitely overall fluffy and didn't have much meat on the bone, i will be honest and say that's fine but I felt it was worth mentioning. I felt that Achro's initial comment on townreading Esooa on P#90.

Also looking back on Achro's message about Litten being scum "He will struggle, it will look painful, but really we're doing what is best." comes off really strange to me, though I will say the comment about how Achro is a Tsundere as wolf is honestly accurate to what I have seen of his Hector wolf game recently.

My realizing that Hector was wolf in that last day might not have been expressed well, but I will say with the role he had there being this "judge" power in witch hunt, I felt like he would more strongarm the fact that he was judge and he had power over the vote at the end of the day, it was a lot more of a town leader role then a town "working with" role, which is what Achro was doing, he was being agreeable, but this is besides a huge sidenote LMAO. But yeah Achro was definitely pushing for people to work for their scumreads/townreads on him

No idea what P#118 means when Achro referred to "Weird is town tbh".

I find posts like P#155 to just be gut wolfy though not in a way I have seen from w!Achro. But it is in a way of this sort of teabagging type of way.

P#182 is definitely a questionable haphazard townread on Happy.

I am just not sure how to feel about the way Achro seems to be powertunneling on Litten in a flipless game, I usually would play like that more often then not if I believe there to be information gained from it. Like Achro is doing a lot of things that I feel like I should find wolfy but I kinda don't but do at the same time, it doesn't feel good.

Something about the comment of "Also Twice/SPF clearly v/v zzz" in P#278 does make me lean town slightly

When Achro said in P#357
"Oh, is Litten gone?

Cool I can be chill for the night before returning to Diablo IV and hunting the wolf tomorrow."
It felt TWTBAW to me.

I did like when Achro brought up P#468 when it came to meta, though sometimes as mafia I do fall back on it as a crutch, but it did show a good amount of recalling on Achro's part that felt to me like they were thinking like they were in that game, and there they were town.

Overall, I might be cooler on Achro then I was initially, I think that Achro is somewhat towny however just for the fact that he is kinda trying to take the reigns this game by "thunderdoming" Litten versus when they kinda said some more pockety and work with town type of things that I noticed in their wolf game.

https://vocaroo.com/

Caaape. Cape. What is that crap. Cmon bruv. Why are you hyperdetail reading Achro's litten push when it was RVS nonsense. Why are you doing it?

"He will struggle, it will look painful, but really we're doing what is best." comes off really strange to me...

No it doesn't it just sounds like somebody who is joking man. He's just like he's pretending his reads all strong cuz it's funny to do that sometimes. I do it all the time. And you scumread me for it too. And I'm not doing it in this game and you're not scumreading me. So pretend Achro is me. And read him that way. Cool. Glad we had this chat.

I feel like hearing that back helped me realize the post was not in 100% seriousness.

I took Achro's RVS push at face value.

But it does at least seem that Achro isn't entirely doing this to bull$%#! or whatever due to P#257/P#282/P#300 all of these things, though you could read the first post in jest, I would say it depends on what the intent is because it does look like Achro is simply dismissing any scumreads on Happy just by some partner association reads

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685776842 (#615)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1685776260 (#609)

Originally Posted by Kang The Conqueror 1685775480 (#595)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1685770517 (#453)

I feel not comfy because I am instantly townreading Mac this game

something is wrong

What you mean?

I usually just do not at all, we always seem to butt heads day 1 scumreading each other when both of us are town, I haven't seen t!Mac seem transparently towny right off the bat to me. Their openers I usually read as strange in a wolfy way

https://voca.ro/1j11193K1CFH

Um so Cape um is struggling uhh with the idea that he's townreading me off the bat or that im coming across super towny and he usually doesnt see me as super towny. Well to that i say cape. That. In this game I definitely started making very transparent reads very quickly. I definitely started sharing my thoughts very quickly. I havent made any fakeish reads yet. I haven't done anything that's sort of scummy. And I do as town do that a lot. And as mafia. So its totally fine for you to be looking at this and being like im townreading mac and its weird. Because im playing different. Im playing normally towny. Why? Cuz i felt like it.

Honestly this exactly explained a good chunk of my thoughts about you like right here and I appreciate this explanation.

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685777005 (#618)

@Cape90

https://voca.ro/1koZpX9CPUuO

Question for cape. So, if you townreading me. And I am town. What is the town benefit of, belabouring your incredulity about the read? Like why are you posturing on that point? Explain.

I tend to get caught up in very minute things and I also feel like I fall into bad habits a lot as town just out of habit which I have been trying not to this game so when I noticed you being towny in a different way from when I normally find you, I kinda hyperfixated just on that point, which is a habit of mine as well.

There is no inherent benefit, it's just something that I do, probably to a fault

Achromatic's beginning was definitely overall fluffy and didn't have much meat on the bone, i will be honest and say that's fine but I felt it was worth mentioning. I felt that Achro's initial comment on townreading Esooa on P#90.

Also looking back on Achro's message about Litten being scum "He will struggle, it will look painful, but really we're doing what is best." comes off really strange to me, though I will say the comment about how Achro is a Tsundere as wolf is honestly accurate to what I have seen of his Hector wolf game recently.

My realizing that Hector was wolf in that last day might not have been expressed well, but I will say with the role he had there being this "judge" power in witch hunt, I felt like he would more strongarm the fact that he was judge and he had power over the vote at the end of the day, it was a lot more of a town leader role then a town "working with" role, which is what Achro was doing, he was being agreeable, but this is besides a huge sidenote LMAO. But yeah Achro was definitely pushing for people to work for their scumreads/townreads on him

No idea what P#118 means when Achro referred to "Weird is town tbh".

I find posts like P#155 to just be gut wolfy though not in a way I have seen from w!Achro. But it is in a way of this sort of teabagging type of way.

P#182 is definitely a questionable haphazard townread on Happy.

I am just not sure how to feel about the way Achro seems to be powertunneling on Litten in a flipless game, I usually would play like that more often then not if I believe there to be information gained from it. Like Achro is doing a lot of things that I feel like I should find wolfy but I kinda don't but do at the same time, it doesn't feel good.

Something about the comment of "Also Twice/SPF clearly v/v zzz" in P#278 does make me lean town slightly

When Achro said in P#357
"Oh, is Litten gone?

Cool I can be chill for the night before returning to Diablo IV and hunting the wolf tomorrow."
It felt TWTBAW to me.

I did like when Achro brought up P#468 when it came to meta, though sometimes as mafia I do fall back on it as a crutch, but it did show a good amount of recalling on Achro's part that felt to me like they were thinking like they were in that game, and there they were town.

Overall, I might be cooler on Achro then I was initially, I think that Achro is somewhat towny however just for the fact that he is kinda trying to take the reigns this game by "thunderdoming" Litten versus when they kinda said some more pockety and work with town type of things that I noticed in their wolf game.

Originally Posted by Kang The Conqueror 1685775480 (#595)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1685770517 (#453)

I feel not comfy because I am instantly townreading Mac this game

something is wrong

What you mean?

I usually just do not at all, we always seem to butt heads day 1 scumreading each other when both of us are town, I haven't seen t!Mac seem transparently towny right off the bat to me. Their openers I usually read as strange in a wolfy way

SPF/Achro I have lost against as town when they were wolf, SPF on more then 1 occasion

Wouldn't mind knowing about them tbh through PC

Originally Posted by Happy 1685773977 (#562)

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685773908 (#560)

Originally Posted by Happy 1685773233 (#547)

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685772967 (#533)

me

by doing something you recently did as a wolf?

you are burying yourself further asking questions for which the logical conclusion doesn't need to be articulated

it does. you are wolfreading me for trying to pocket, when the logical conclusion is that im not trying to pocket.

honestly, parity cop is a hard question for me to speculate about this game tbh just because of how stacked the playerlist is

Originally Posted by Happy 1685771472 (#479)

Originally Posted by Kang The Conqueror 1685771383 (#478)

Originally Posted by Litten 1685758105 (#136)

Originally Posted by Achromatic 1685758050 (#133)

Yes.

You should vote me tbh it'll be fun, let our rhetoric decide our fate.

##Vote Achromatic
This seems funny so let’s actually do it

If I was the parity cop I would check these two tbh.

spf and twice is a better check imo

why do you say "and twice" here exactly?

I dont recall you really having an SPF read either

Originally Posted by Happy 1685766738 (#395)

##Vote Cape90

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685766871 (#397)

@Happy

you are mafia

Mac is townspewing me already

wild

crying in townchat

Originally Posted by staypositivenemy 1685766682 (#392)

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1685757423 (#114)

cape and litten are both towny

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1685757432 (#116)

esooa and achromatic are both weirding me out

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1685758091 (#134)

Originally Posted by Litten 1685757517 (#120)

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1685757432 (#116)

esooa and achromatic are both weirding me out

I appreciate being town read but why exactly do you town read me and why exactly do you wolf read those two people? Achromatic going for my throat is awful from him and not giving me any space but I’m not actually sure if it’s wolfy awful, and spe reads to me as try Harding town. These takes seem weird.

as for achronmatic, my gut reaction to his posts was: "he is playing really oddly and his reasoning for scumreading litten on p#96 is really weak", but i don't actually think this is scum indicative after further reflection, because it is clearly an intentional choice regardless of his alignment and it is clear that he is inflating his confidence about you being mafia on purpose

as for esooa, it bothered me that she parsed p#44 as "trolling" and characterized it as such, when that post read pretty serious to me on a surface-level. just seemed like a fairly nonsensical thing to say when esooa usually makes very good/insightful observations

as for you, i just soulread the way that u reacted to pressure as town and you made a string of posts on page 1 that i found towny (the post where u decided to tr cape for misunderstanding the setup and then p#44 cause both of them felt a bit weird for a wolf to post right out of the gate)

This is siding with Litten. Why do you SR me?

im siding with litten

SPF is siding with litten

Mac is also wolf or something

you top townread litten

reading you in real time is honestly a hecking trip and a half NGL

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685765998 (#376)

Originally Posted by Achromatic 1685765764 (#370)

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685765622 (#368)

Originally Posted by Achromatic 1685765425 (#364)

Well, I tend to think I am good at knowing the nature of people who push me so I tend to read pushes on me with confidence and I am way, way above rand in this regard.

I think a read being garbage doesn't make it not town though. I think they believe it and that's what matters.

I don't think it is actually possible for someone to "believe" that you are mafia, this soon into the game

unless they are a wolf with TMI that you are

town players do not exhibit conviction to this degree

over things this asinine

unless tactically

this is not tactical it is being portrayed as genuine

which is also what I did not like about litten

because when i called him on it he tried to pretend like he wasn't being genuine

when his intent blatantly was

unlike yours which

definitely had the sense of being tactically exaggerated

as i called out at the time

it is very plausible that

enemy was trying to run a distraction line on you

because his wolf teammate litten was getting uncomfortable in their back and forth with you

that does not require much creative thought to perceive

Well, first step vote Litten!

I agree that it doesn't take much creative thought to see that line, but I didn't get that sense at all so gonna have to disagree.

I can tell you from the outside looking in that

the rational line right throughout was

that you were not wolfy

and litten was

you should know that

even though you were being a little bit intentionally obtuse

it was not in a wolfy way

and litten WAS wolfy

so people who sided with litten and shaded you

should be scrutinised

it is perhaps difficult for you to see because you maybe think that you were not being towny, because you were not trying to be, which is why you were actually being

but litten was creating needless energy to breathe further life into your engagement

which is what wolves do they

blow the engagement up like a bubble because

eventually the bubble gets so big, people can't see what's behind it

and then once they do that, they

just pop the bubble, and move on

and nobody tends to bat an eyelid about it

but even if litten IS town

and perhaps especially so

then those who chose litten's side

chose the side of the scummier of the two

and wolves are worse at sensing who is scummier in interactions like that

litten was more dramatic, and aggressive

and when you don't apply town mindset to your reading

that can often look like the townier of a t/t interaction

this is all to say that

you are welcome to disagree but

you shouldn't

1. What? I just do not get the implications of this comment.

2. Could you elaborate on what exactly this bubble thing means and what needless energy means?

Originally Posted by Staypositivesooa 1685765894 (#372)

I kinda think the "not playing the game" comment is enemy's towniest thing about them. lol

why exactly do you think this by the way?

Mac's P#351 comment on SPE's readslist rings as really towny to me so I really don't get the scumread on mac

Originally Posted by staypositivenemy 1685765610 (#367)

Nah Cape can still be scum.

okay LMAO

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685765359 (#362)

Originally Posted by Staypositivesooa 1685765248 (#360)

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685765168 (#359)

Originally Posted by Staypositivesooa 1685765112 (#358)

were they really misused though?

voracity was

the rest was fine

perhaps not misused but

you certainly pushed the boundaries of it's correct usage lol

but i am guilty of the same

it is, endearing lol

it's use was exemplary

oh dear, yes it was fine

let's not devolve these interactions into NAI bickering about vocabulary

let's focus on the reality of this game

which is that we are both town

let us cook

and carve

and consume wolves

why are you

typing like

this

to be fair i kinda have

been too but like

Originally Posted by staypositivenemy 1685764828 (#348)

Town:
-Litten

Townlean:
-Cape
-Mac
-snow
-SPF

Null:
-Twice
-esooa

Scumping:
-Happy

Not trying to play the game:
-Achro

HOW DO YOU TOWNLEAN ME

WHAT DID I MISS

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685764580 (#345)

voracity \vuh-RASS-uh-tee\ noun. : the quality or state of being ravenous or insatiable. Examples: Elena reads books with such voracity that she returns to the library two or three times a week

enemy has as much of that as achro

without pizzaz

pizzaz

an attractive combination of vitality and glamour.
"a summer collection with pizzazz"

oh no this just creates more questions

the state of being strong and active; energy.
"changes that will give renewed vitality to our democracy"

right so

achro and enemy are both ... ravenously pursuing this mafia game yet

achro is doing it in a more likeable fashion

if accurate, is there a conclusion here?

this is probably not a w!Mac post just for how WTF it is tbh

Originally Posted by Litten 1685762530 (#316)

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1685758091 (#134)

Originally Posted by Litten 1685757517 (#120)

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1685757432 (#116)

esooa and achromatic are both weirding me out

I appreciate being town read but why exactly do you town read me and why exactly do you wolf read those two people? Achromatic going for my throat is awful from him and not giving me any space but I’m not actually sure if it’s wolfy awful, and spe reads to me as try Harding town. These takes seem weird.

as for achronmatic, my gut reaction to his posts was: "he is playing really oddly and his reasoning for scumreading litten on p#96 is really weak", but i don't actually think this is scum indicative after further reflection, because it is clearly an intentional choice regardless of his alignment and it is clear that he is inflating his confidence about you being mafia on purpose

as for esooa, it bothered me that she parsed p#44 as "trolling" and characterized it as such, when that post read pretty serious to me on a surface-level. just seemed like a fairly nonsensical thing to say when esooa usually makes very good/insightful observations

as for you, i just soulread the way that u reacted to pressure as town and you made a string of posts on page 1 that i found towny (the post where u decided to tr cape for misunderstanding the setup and then p#44 cause both of them felt a bit weird for a wolf to post right out of the gate)

yeah just locking this as town
not because it has a lot of words but it feels like they actually gave thought as to why they were feeling they way they were in a way that reminds me of how I say something, and then I have to write out and actually think about why I’m feeling a certain way. Fairly backwards way of wolfing if they are a wolf

eh, i still find it rather shallow compared to what I seen from SPF, dunno if that has anything to do with thread momentum or whatnot but still

Originally Posted by Litten 1685762299 (#313)

Anyway, game has been fun so far. I think Achromatic is just a tunneling clown who has an inaccurate mental model of how he expects me to act as a villager. He’s never actually hard pushed me before so he doesn’t actually have an accurate model of how I would react as a villager. I don’t really hold this against him though, and I think him pushing me like this is actually fairly townie as I expect him if he’s a wolf to want to keep me around. He likes playing with me. He wants to 1-up me by trying to dunk on me when I rand wolf against him, but, I haven’t this game, so we shall see how this progresses as I’m not really sure how to handle him if he’s going to spend the entire game tunneling me. I don’t think he will but I can see a world where I don’t meet some preconceived level of what he expects from me as a villager, or a world where he actually already flipped me as a wolf and just wants me dead.

I think SPF going against Achro/SPE in their initial impression of the thread felt townie. I’m not actually sure how they would act as a wolf so I don’t have like any concrete basis for that but it seems like a weird duo fight to pick as a wolf to start off with. I’ll have to actually go reread their posts to figure out if I still believe this as I’m just typing this without actually rrreading their posts but I’ll do that sfyer this post

okay I am slightly skeptical of what litten is saying on the upper half of this post just on a gut level

Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk 1685761003 (#283)

Originally Posted by Achromatic 1685760975 (#282)

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1685760913 (#280)

i think the last two litten posts are very towny

He's just echoing thoughts to appear towny, he is usually more proactive about it.

Just like he echeod the 'so who are these alts' after mac did it in a towny way.

It's cool though we can try to find his team. It's not twice imo

bad post kid

kinda agree with this post thought tbh

Originally Posted by Ominoire 1685772072 (#506)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1685771552 (#481)

Originally Posted by Achromatic 1685771018 (#468)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1685770689 (#459)

I honestly like this read, that does seem like an odd time frame to develop a read that quickly from how SPF treated Achro initially. It seems inconsistent

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...-Gravity-Falls

Iso spf and ctrl f achro and behold that reading me like that is fairly normal for spf and not sure if she would remember this game enough to fake it.

INSIDE THE SPOILER ARE QUOTES FROM GRAVITY FALLS COMPLETED GAME, NOT THIS GAME

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1665458737 (#123)

Originally Posted by Prince J 1665458651 (#120)

SPF, what do you personally think of the Achro wagon currently being the front-runner?

@lilypetal same to you~

i think the wave of people voting for achro was organic in the sense that achro made a post that was kind of wolfy on a gut level and it felt "right" in the moment to reactively vote for him, but i don't actually know if achro is mafia or not. i just thought the drive-by reads came off a little stilted and premature, as did him sheeping my read on BK

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1665471118 (#223)

lucy = 😐
guil = 😅
boq = 🥵
phraze = 😐
julia = 😐
wisdom = 😐
spf = 🥵
lily = 😍
achromatic = 🥵
c4 = 😅
vulgard = 🥵
prince j = 😅
arogame = 😨
bluekang = 😅
arctic = 😭
volatile = 😍
cape90 = 😐

goodnight

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1665473952 (#258)

some snap thoughts before going to bed:

-i changed my mind and i now think that achro is town

-i like cape's posts on this page as well but i'm still letting that read fester

-i had a similar thought to vulgard that people might be TMI'ing volatile as towm, which is what in part led to me voting for boq

-i get more worried that wisdom is a wolf with every post she makes

-i think that i townread lilypetal too quickly and also think that c4 is townier in the exchange between the two

-don't really like arctic's posts on this page because it feels like he entered the game in an attack dog mindset where his first priority was to find someone to pick on. i don't think this attitude is inherently scum indicative but i think it more often than not comes from scum who feel the pressure to Do Something while entering the game, and the frequent lampshading of his own lack of content by saying he "hasn't read the thread yet" game off as perhaps a bit overly self-conscious and self-aware

i will explain none of these reads further until the morning and there's a good chance that i will have changed my mind about all of them by the time i wake up. gl gl!

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1665517867 (#517)

this is less of a reads list and more me spilling my thoughts out onto the page to see if i can form a coherent worldview

i think the best thing i can say about achro is that it doesn’t feel like he has anything to hide. even on d1 of the game where he recently wolfed against me, i felt like he was holding his cards close to his chest to a certain extent and playing an explicitly agenda’d way, whereas here he feels a bit more “free” and a bit more “open”, which makes me want to townread him by default. i also generally like that our progressions on boq are similar in that we both started off by going “boq is acting Weird” and then arrived at his attitude likely being town indicative for similar reasons

i think my only real point of concern/curiosity about achro right now is that his progression on guil confuses me. he has projected confidence about guil being a wolf but hasn’t followed up with any of the recent posts guil has made (both directed at him and not directed at him), and the fact that i think guil is getting kind of townier just makes me a bit more paranoid by achro’s push there in general

i think it’s important to be careful around players like achro but i have generally positive impressions of him so far

arctic is kind of trending up (in that he has made some posts that i would describe as “Vaguely Towny”, like his questioning of wisdom’s wolfreads or his progression on BK over the last few pages) but i’m not really there on him being town yet. i feel like i should have more to say about him right now but i honestly don’t

mixed pings from arogame. withholding judgement until he posts more

i thought that bluekang looked a bit towny last night with the way he townread me and then took it back once lily pointed out that he was clearing me too easily, but i think this was a bad reason to townread him and that i’m letting him off too easily

my main impression of bluekang is that he feels a bit ….lost in the thread. he opened the game by making a series of short filler posts that align with how he tends to post as mafia, then he townread me and took it back, and then he limply attacked achromatic and backed off

and then he immediately reverted back to making fillery/”blending in” posts, such as him dipping for 2 hours and then randomly telling c4 that lily has awkward d1s (which is a sentiment that had already been expressed multiple times), and then making some light conversation with me

i guess what i’m saying is that there is a lack of “flow” to bluekang’s game so far and i treads a bit to me like he is struggling to make posts or come up with things to say, which is an attitude that i do associate more closely with bluekang!mafia than bluekang!town. i’m not married to him being mafia but i do have Concerns and i’m eagerly awaiting more of his posts to see if he improves

the framing of boq’s read on me felt overly sensitive/reactive (like him accusing me of “piggybacking without voting for him” on p#327 as though i was not the first player in the game to vote for him). the framing of p#349 bothered me too because it was clear that boq was positioning himself to scumread me for being suspicious of him and pushing on him but also for choosing to back off and not push on him, and that his attitude is a reactive/OMGUSy one that was not making a real attempt to parse the intent behind my posts. i think that the “weirdness” and over-reactiveness of boq’s posting was explained by him fairly well on p#346.and i do not consider it to be alignment indicative. while i maintain that his first post was awkward, his posts have improved since then and i’m kind of skeptical that he would be playing in such an overly defensive/reactive mindset in a world where he was mafia. gth i think he’s more likely to be town than not and i intend to give him space

i see some glimpses of townyness in the stuff that c4 has posted but i’m withholding judgement until i see more

cape seems invested and interested in the game and putting in a lot of effort and making observations that sound “good” (like him calling out achro’s townread on me for being too shallow) even though i am struggling to verbalize a real reason for him to be town

as for guilo, i dunno. guilo making a post to achro that sounded like it was a monologue from an anime supervillain that was also weirdly overly spiteful (p#370) and then offering himself up to the rest of the thread (p#372) all ring as kind of towny to me, even though i don’t have a strong understanding of guilo’s typical wolfrange

he was much more invested and active in solving in the last towngame i saw from him but i also think that him throwing in the towel and throwing a fit so early in the game would be so unnecessary for him to do as a wolf that i’m tempted to call it town indicative. so idk maybe im gullible but i do kind of townread guilo for that

the best thing i can say about julia is that it looked like she was super excited to make friends in the thread and find people to townread instead of finding people to push on, whereas i think scum!julia would internally be a bit more focused on finding targets to park her vote on. if BK is a wolf then her town equity rises as well. i don’t think that julia “posting just to post” is scummy for her but i won’t really feel more confident in her alignment until i get to interact with her in realtime. i think she is broadly Fine so far

if BK is mafia then lily;’s town equity rises. i thought the way lily described her reads on p#178 was kind of awkward and that she is still very much within her wolfrange, but i think she simply hasn’t made enough game-related posts to have a confident read on her alignment and i don’t really trust anyone who claims to in either direction

lucy seems more curious/engaged than the wolfgames i’ve seen from her but i think that’s a pretty bad reason to townread her because of how easily manipulatable her playstyle is. i think her having a secret scumread on achromatic and being lowkey about it rings vaguely towny too. i would keep a close eye on lucy but think she’s fine enough to not go after on d1

phraze saying that she’s going to post lightly this game because of post restrictions even though i don’t think there is a single game she has played in the last year where she has made more than 70 posts is actually really strange to me! idk why phraze feels the need to come up with an excuse for her low activity when it was a near guarantee that she was going to have low activity regardless of whether or not the game had a postcap. i actually think it could be reflective of her being guilty/insecure but i don’t want to read into it too deeply

i have prince J in a similar tier as cape which is basically “i really dig the passion and excitement behind their solving and it makes me want to townread them even though i can’t concretely verbalize any good reason why they should be town”. i think that i townread prince J more strongly than cape with the knowledge that prince has never been mafia before and with generally just feeling like prince’s posts have felt more “pure” in general

i think volatile had a towny opening for reasons that have been beaten to death at this point, and am currently waiting on more content from him to solidify that read

mild concern abou the fact that vulgard appears to be pushing a wolfsided POE and pushing wolfsided narratives (Ie: “if boq/C4 are town then SPF is mafia”) but i think his weird stubbornness when i confronted him about his read and him generally feeling “unrestrained” is more likely to be t own indicative than not. kind of

i think wisdom got off to a kind of awkward start but shes been improving since then. withholding more thoughts because im waiting to see some specific stuff from her

looking a little bit over there

yeah actually this is very similar, but after looking at that game, I still am a bit skeptical of how SPF feels like a diet version of her from over there right now.

I think Ominoire should also look at this tbh as this was also progression on Achro early game from another game.

God, I don't want the burden of reading another game for this game.
This is suppose to be fun, not a community service.

i mean

i quoted 4 things, i didn't go that hard

like page 6 and all of the sudden i am like ??? at Twice's posts

that's my read

just

confused

Originally Posted by Happy 1685760792 (#273)

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1685760642 (#269)

Originally Posted by Happy 1685760543 (#264)

Originally Posted by Happy 1685760480 (#262)

im pacing myself until everyone posts

and even then ill probs be lurky

u feel kind of awkward to me so far

nice

this might be awkward for town happy though idek

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1685760642 (#269)

Originally Posted by Happy 1685760543 (#264)

Originally Posted by Happy 1685760480 (#262)

Originally Posted by Litten 1685760410 (#258)

i wish I was as confident as this person to see three people clashing and thinking they are town
can you use your godlike powers to solve the game and do anything useful?

im pacing myself until everyone posts

and even then ill probs be lurky

u feel kind of awkward to me so far

like, in turbos this is almost exactly why I keep misreading Happy LOL

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1685760642 (#269)

Originally Posted by Happy 1685760543 (#264)

Originally Posted by Happy 1685760480 (#262)

Originally Posted by Litten 1685760410 (#258)

i wish I was as confident as this person to see three people clashing and thinking they are town
can you use your godlike powers to solve the game and do anything useful?

im pacing myself until everyone posts

and even then ill probs be lurky

u feel kind of awkward to me so far

now you know how it feels like every time I misread Happy, I am tired of it tbh

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685760120 (#236)

Originally Posted by Happy 1685760037 (#229)

lol the 3 inno childs are clashing. can see this game being a wolf sweep

uh oh

Mac, isn't this referring to you ALSO in this post or am i dumb?

Originally Posted by Ominoire 1685770622 (#458)

What is Mac's wolf game to you anyway?

He can be a powerful wolf, but he does fall into the trap of being a dismissive wolf and kinda feeling like he is saying words but not actually trying to be genuine about solving.

Like with Mac!v, you get more of a human touch and I feel like he plays generally more uncertainly then as mafia, like he plays more matter of factly as mafia

you are also asking the person who is wrong on mac 80% of the time... but that's my knowledge tbh

Originally Posted by Achromatic 1685771018 (#468)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1685770689 (#459)

Originally Posted by Ominoire 1685770352 (#452)

Personally, I'm not convinced of SPF's progression on Achromatic. P#134 is SPF responding to Litten. SPF mentions that her metareasons prompt her to read Achromatic's odd aggression as not "scum indicative." By P#251, SPF states that she thinks Achromatic is town. If you compare the timestamps between P#134 and P#251, you will see that there's about a 37-minute difference in timestamps. SPF went from not "scum indicative" to "I currently think achromatic is town." Granted, it's a 37-minute difference, but I don't see this progression in her rhetoric. SPF does soft-defend Achromatic in P#237, but that's all. It isn't until after P#251 that SPF chose to reveal a more in-depth explanation of her Achromatic read.

I honestly like this read, that does seem like an odd time frame to develop a read that quickly from how SPF treated Achro initially. It seems inconsistent

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...-Gravity-Falls

Iso spf and ctrl f achro and behold that reading me like that is fairly normal for spf and not sure if she would remember this game enough to fake it.

INSIDE THE SPOILER ARE QUOTES FROM GRAVITY FALLS COMPLETED GAME, NOT THIS GAME

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1665458737 (#123)

Originally Posted by Prince J 1665458651 (#120)

SPF, what do you personally think of the Achro wagon currently being the front-runner?

@lilypetal same to you~

i think the wave of people voting for achro was organic in the sense that achro made a post that was kind of wolfy on a gut level and it felt "right" in the moment to reactively vote for him, but i don't actually know if achro is mafia or not. i just thought the drive-by reads came off a little stilted and premature, as did him sheeping my read on BK

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1665471118 (#223)

lucy = 😐
guil = 😅
boq = 🥵
phraze = 😐
julia = 😐
wisdom = 😐
spf = 🥵
lily = 😍
achromatic = 🥵
c4 = 😅
vulgard = 🥵
prince j = 😅
arogame = 😨
bluekang = 😅
arctic = 😭
volatile = 😍
cape90 = 😐

goodnight

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1665473952 (#258)

some snap thoughts before going to bed:

-i changed my mind and i now think that achro is town

-i like cape's posts on this page as well but i'm still letting that read fester

-i had a similar thought to vulgard that people might be TMI'ing volatile as towm, which is what in part led to me voting for boq

-i get more worried that wisdom is a wolf with every post she makes

-i think that i townread lilypetal too quickly and also think that c4 is townier in the exchange between the two

-don't really like arctic's posts on this page because it feels like he entered the game in an attack dog mindset where his first priority was to find someone to pick on. i don't think this attitude is inherently scum indicative but i think it more often than not comes from scum who feel the pressure to Do Something while entering the game, and the frequent lampshading of his own lack of content by saying he "hasn't read the thread yet" game off as perhaps a bit overly self-conscious and self-aware

i will explain none of these reads further until the morning and there's a good chance that i will have changed my mind about all of them by the time i wake up. gl gl!

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1665517867 (#517)

this is less of a reads list and more me spilling my thoughts out onto the page to see if i can form a coherent worldview

i think the best thing i can say about achro is that it doesn’t feel like he has anything to hide. even on d1 of the game where he recently wolfed against me, i felt like he was holding his cards close to his chest to a certain extent and playing an explicitly agenda’d way, whereas here he feels a bit more “free” and a bit more “open”, which makes me want to townread him by default. i also generally like that our progressions on boq are similar in that we both started off by going “boq is acting Weird” and then arrived at his attitude likely being town indicative for similar reasons

i think my only real point of concern/curiosity about achro right now is that his progression on guil confuses me. he has projected confidence about guil being a wolf but hasn’t followed up with any of the recent posts guil has made (both directed at him and not directed at him), and the fact that i think guil is getting kind of townier just makes me a bit more paranoid by achro’s push there in general

i think it’s important to be careful around players like achro but i have generally positive impressions of him so far

arctic is kind of trending up (in that he has made some posts that i would describe as “Vaguely Towny”, like his questioning of wisdom’s wolfreads or his progression on BK over the last few pages) but i’m not really there on him being town yet. i feel like i should have more to say about him right now but i honestly don’t

mixed pings from arogame. withholding judgement until he posts more

i thought that bluekang looked a bit towny last night with the way he townread me and then took it back once lily pointed out that he was clearing me too easily, but i think this was a bad reason to townread him and that i’m letting him off too easily

my main impression of bluekang is that he feels a bit ….lost in the thread. he opened the game by making a series of short filler posts that align with how he tends to post as mafia, then he townread me and took it back, and then he limply attacked achromatic and backed off

and then he immediately reverted back to making fillery/”blending in” posts, such as him dipping for 2 hours and then randomly telling c4 that lily has awkward d1s (which is a sentiment that had already been expressed multiple times), and then making some light conversation with me

i guess what i’m saying is that there is a lack of “flow” to bluekang’s game so far and i treads a bit to me like he is struggling to make posts or come up with things to say, which is an attitude that i do associate more closely with bluekang!mafia than bluekang!town. i’m not married to him being mafia but i do have Concerns and i’m eagerly awaiting more of his posts to see if he improves

the framing of boq’s read on me felt overly sensitive/reactive (like him accusing me of “piggybacking without voting for him” on p#327 as though i was not the first player in the game to vote for him). the framing of p#349 bothered me too because it was clear that boq was positioning himself to scumread me for being suspicious of him and pushing on him but also for choosing to back off and not push on him, and that his attitude is a reactive/OMGUSy one that was not making a real attempt to parse the intent behind my posts. i think that the “weirdness” and over-reactiveness of boq’s posting was explained by him fairly well on p#346.and i do not consider it to be alignment indicative. while i maintain that his first post was awkward, his posts have improved since then and i’m kind of skeptical that he would be playing in such an overly defensive/reactive mindset in a world where he was mafia. gth i think he’s more likely to be town than not and i intend to give him space

i see some glimpses of townyness in the stuff that c4 has posted but i’m withholding judgement until i see more

cape seems invested and interested in the game and putting in a lot of effort and making observations that sound “good” (like him calling out achro’s townread on me for being too shallow) even though i am struggling to verbalize a real reason for him to be town

as for guilo, i dunno. guilo making a post to achro that sounded like it was a monologue from an anime supervillain that was also weirdly overly spiteful (p#370) and then offering himself up to the rest of the thread (p#372) all ring as kind of towny to me, even though i don’t have a strong understanding of guilo’s typical wolfrange

he was much more invested and active in solving in the last towngame i saw from him but i also think that him throwing in the towel and throwing a fit so early in the game would be so unnecessary for him to do as a wolf that i’m tempted to call it town indicative. so idk maybe im gullible but i do kind of townread guilo for that

the best thing i can say about julia is that it looked like she was super excited to make friends in the thread and find people to townread instead of finding people to push on, whereas i think scum!julia would internally be a bit more focused on finding targets to park her vote on. if BK is a wolf then her town equity rises as well. i don’t think that julia “posting just to post” is scummy for her but i won’t really feel more confident in her alignment until i get to interact with her in realtime. i think she is broadly Fine so far

if BK is mafia then lily;’s town equity rises. i thought the way lily described her reads on p#178 was kind of awkward and that she is still very much within her wolfrange, but i think she simply hasn’t made enough game-related posts to have a confident read on her alignment and i don’t really trust anyone who claims to in either direction

lucy seems more curious/engaged than the wolfgames i’ve seen from her but i think that’s a pretty bad reason to townread her because of how easily manipulatable her playstyle is. i think her having a secret scumread on achromatic and being lowkey about it rings vaguely towny too. i would keep a close eye on lucy but think she’s fine enough to not go after on d1

phraze saying that she’s going to post lightly this game because of post restrictions even though i don’t think there is a single game she has played in the last year where she has made more than 70 posts is actually really strange to me! idk why phraze feels the need to come up with an excuse for her low activity when it was a near guarantee that she was going to have low activity regardless of whether or not the game had a postcap. i actually think it could be reflective of her being guilty/insecure but i don’t want to read into it too deeply

i have prince J in a similar tier as cape which is basically “i really dig the passion and excitement behind their solving and it makes me want to townread them even though i can’t concretely verbalize any good reason why they should be town”. i think that i townread prince J more strongly than cape with the knowledge that prince has never been mafia before and with generally just feeling like prince’s posts have felt more “pure” in general

i think volatile had a towny opening for reasons that have been beaten to death at this point, and am currently waiting on more content from him to solidify that read

mild concern abou the fact that vulgard appears to be pushing a wolfsided POE and pushing wolfsided narratives (Ie: “if boq/C4 are town then SPF is mafia”) but i think his weird stubbornness when i confronted him about his read and him generally feeling “unrestrained” is more likely to be t own indicative than not. kind of

i think wisdom got off to a kind of awkward start but shes been improving since then. withholding more thoughts because im waiting to see some specific stuff from her

looking a little bit over there

yeah actually this is very similar, but after looking at that game, I still am a bit skeptical of how SPF feels like a diet version of her from over there right now.

I think Ominoire should also look at this tbh as this was also progression on Achro early game from another game.

Originally Posted by Happy 1685770839 (#461)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1685770759 (#460)

Originally Posted by Happy 1685760037 (#229)

lol the 3 inno childs are clashing. can see this game being a wolf sweep

that emoji seems awfully Happy about that

yeah i posted it in the wrong chat

oh i see

Originally Posted by Achromatic 1685760401 (#257)

Happy doesn't worry me he wouldn't call his scumbuddy Litten an IC like that imo.

inchteresting preflipping

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685760358 (#253)

happy worries me

honestly, I could see this at the time as I didn't really get stand out vibes from Happy at this moment, though I think they are leaning into their town meta now just with how they have handled my slot so far

this is me pocketing happy

Originally Posted by staypositivenemy 1685760188 (#241)

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1685760138 (#237)

Originally Posted by staypositivenemy 1685760052 (#230)

Originally Posted by Macdougall 1685759864 (#226)

Yes I can see that but is it wolfy or just generating a readable gamestate?

It was opportunistic and I don't think this looks like a FPS.

opportunistic in what way? it's not like achromatic took advantage of suspicion on litten to push on him - he's the one who created the suspicion

I Was pushing Cape and Litten defended Cape.

damn we are w/w you really caught us

Originally Posted by Happy 1685760037 (#229)

lol the 3 inno childs are clashing. can see this game being a wolf sweep

that emoji seems awfully Happy about that