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    Game Thread I'm not really a fan of Amy's latest posts. They...

    I'm not really a fan of Amy's latest posts. They felt just a liiiiiiittle on the wrong side of "overly self-aware" to the point where I think it was played up.

    Have more of a problem with her first longer catch-up post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#118)
    ##Vote DkKoba

    vibing w/ nl/marshal's takes and dislike anyone who goes after ara of all people for looking "overexcited"

    undecided whether i completely hate frog's posts just because i kinda feel like w!frog would know that this push is meaningless? i guess that's a twtbaw read. but i do agree that it's some ??? $%#! and i wouldn't be surprised if it's a wolf trying to look towny early for nebulous ~doing things~ reasons, which is... probably what i woulda done if i had rolled wolf, tbh. maybe. laziness might have won out anyways LMAO

    dumb read but gh might be town for owning up to reading the thread and not posting anything, cause i kinda suspect the wolf tendency would be to lie about it because something something lurking. helps that i was halfway reading for like... most of january, i think? time is hard.

    marshal's p#86 is a stinker but if koba flips wolf i never wrote this sentence. the pocketing thing is an astute point either way tbh so maybe i'm the idiot not seeing why ara's wolfy or some $%#!

    igno can be v for "yeah sure whatever you sound like a villager" reasons. willing to reevaluate this a few years from now


    Second one is kinda meh:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#127)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#126)
    Amy if you've got any other takes before you dip, put em here

    I'll put them on the scales of truth with as much seriousness as Anubis weighing the departed souls and pass judgement while you're gone (+ give you something else to interact with upon returning)
    i think if one of koba/marshal flipped red i'd soft clear the other

    i think if frog flipped red i'd squint at wes; wes flipping red could go either way. point is if there's a w/w interaction in thread yet i think it's most likely to be this one

    i think the fact that cuth has checked in multiple times without posting actual game thoughts is lightly villagery for kinda the same reason i threw a townread at you

    that said i think lendun's check-in is kinda wolfy for reasons i can't really put my finger on. some subtle distinction in him doing it vs you/cuth doing it. maybe it's a personality thing

    i reread the ara opener and i still think there's absolutely nothing alignment-indicative whatsoever in there

    i think genshin impact is a better game than mafia


    sorry Amy
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    Game Thread Amy if you've got any other takes before you dip,...

    Amy if you've got any other takes before you dip, put em here

    I'll put them on the scales of truth with as much seriousness as Anubis weighing the departed souls and pass judgement while you're gone (+ give you something else to interact with upon returning)
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    Game Thread noted, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#124)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#123)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#121)
    Amy what were your thoughts on Jump's few posts they made before subbing out?

    Should I be soulreading their entry at all?
    first post is probably one they make as both alignments here

    second post i kinda like the line about wanting to vote wes and kinda dislike the last line, tonally

    third post is whatever

    tl;dr no
    bolded ebwop
    noted, thanks
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    Game Thread Amy what were your thoughts on Jump's few posts...

    Amy what were your thoughts on Jump's few posts they made before subbing out?

    Should I be soulreading their entry at all?
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    Game Thread This is gonna be really fun for you to look back...

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#112)
    wes frog w w to the bank


    back after aps
    This is gonna be really fun for you to look back on when you're still alive on D6 and out of college.
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    Game Thread this pocket attempt is shameless and blatant and...

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#113)
    gh i believe this is the start of a beautiful year of ww

    i am willing to lock you in as village 100%. lets do it.
    this pocket attempt is shameless and blatant and also accepted
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    Game Thread hell yeah, first SHROOP of the game baby

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#109)
    Other takes:

    I thought Wes's response to Frog's post that I quoted above was a little bit weak considering the sheer ridiculousness of Frog's push was a little bit weak, but I'm willing to let that slide for the time being:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#64)
    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...=1#post3788180

    Town game where my opening post is "Howdy doody". Though tbf most instances of howdy I did see in my posts were from scum games, soooooooooo... yeah.


    Think ignoramus has had pretty decent tone so far, none of WerewolfHunter's three posts fill me with any sort of positive sentiment (no gamestate takes at all? They're in the anti-Goldilocks zone of being somewhat on-topic but not actually saying anything), and in what's sure to be the single worst read delivered in the game, I soulread Jump's entry post as villa:

    Quote Originally Posted by jumpluff (#5)
    Also not posting for a while but all my love to whoever randed wolf, the inner peace I feel today is immense and I look forward to playing wtih you all!


    But considering Koba's apparently actively trying to torpedo that slot's town equity (I kind of dig the point Marshal made about them re: the ping and pocketing) let's just pretend that I never had that read in the first place.

    ---

    That's where I'm at for now, also @ Frog, much respect for the pledge of abstinence, here's hoping it goes well for ya buddy.
    hell yeah, first SHROOP of the game baby
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    Game Thread Other takes: I thought Wes's response to...

    Other takes:

    I thought Wes's response to Frog's post that I quoted above was a little bit weak considering the sheer ridiculousness of Frog's push was a little bit weak, but I'm willing to let that slide for the time being:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#64)
    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...=1#post3788180

    Town game where my opening post is "Howdy doody". Though tbf most instances of howdy I did see in my posts were from scum games, soooooooooo... yeah.


    Think ignoramus has had pretty decent tone so far, none of WerewolfHunter's three posts fill me with any sort of positive sentiment (no gamestate takes at all? They're in the anti-Goldilocks zone of being somewhat on-topic but not actually saying anything), and in what's sure to be the single worst read delivered in the game, I soulread Jump's entry post as villa:

    Quote Originally Posted by jumpluff (#5)
    Also not posting for a while but all my love to whoever randed wolf, the inner peace I feel today is immense and I look forward to playing wtih you all!


    But considering Koba's apparently actively trying to torpedo that slot's town equity (I kind of dig the point Marshal made about them re: the ping and pocketing) let's just pretend that I never had that read in the first place.

    ---

    That's where I'm at for now, also @ Frog, much respect for the pledge of abstinence, here's hoping it goes well for ya buddy.
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    Game Thread Ok so this post from Frog: I didn't hate...

    Ok so this post from Frog:

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#60)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#55)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#48)
    +^
    Also, talking in accents when you're putting on a show / lying is a thing, maybe, probably if you squint hard enough it makes sense.

    I say "howdy" as my first posts in a lot of games. Just as an FYI.
    Tell me Wes, when you look at me, what do you see? Some Solo Hero? Some James McClown? Well I am, I am those things. But do you take me for a total fool? Hmmm??

    You, sir, are a liar liar with pants on fire.

    Taking a winter dip into your opening posts over the last year or so for normal games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#4)
    Okay, one case of the 'Howdy', but you were Mafia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#167)
    Man I'm sort of upset last game got reranded. I was claiming odd vigi with the first letter of each of my posts and wanted to see if I could draw the nk. Now I'm the even vigi so it doesn't even make sense to try and draw the nk now
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#113)
    Hallo o/
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#41)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sett (#40)
    Tom Nook should be in Smash Brothers tbh.
    But we already have Isabelle, the perfect AC character.
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#4)
    First
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#12)
    My neighbor says you two talking about neighbor stuff is boring.
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#3021)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#2553)
    Welcome to the Non-Voter Union

    @JSmith27 (3), @Luco (19), @Wesmaster160 (0), @Transcend (0), @The Nothing (0), @tchaz (10), @Spartan057 (0), @SilverKeith (0), @Secondhand Revenant (19), @Riki (0), @Mill Crab (0), @Little Endian (0), @Angrypotato (89), @Limestone (0), @LKJ (0), @Frog (3), @dLGN (0), @confirmed troll (13), @carolinacoder (1), @Bunnelby (23), @beeboy (0), @Apoc (4), @yogsloth (4)

    We represent over a third of the game; that's not good.

    Just off pure statistics, there's likely to be at least 5 wolves in this group, but that's okay, because there's also likely to be at least 15 villagers in here too!

    While everyone else started early, most of us here started late or haven't even started at all.

    AGAIN, that's okay, we're going to do something important here

    I will exclusively solve for alignments of people in here today, and I request that each of you attempts to solve my alignment please

    Let's continue to pester each other in order to solve a third of the game today!


    Write me down as one of the villagers
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#166)
    Ayo. On break for a bit, anyone found a wolf yet?
    No howdy.

    In conclusion, lol 😆 😂 🤣

    I dunno, it's still a random-ish vote but now I don't hate it.

    Do you actually say howdy to open games now? I'm assuming you probably don't lie about something silly like that, unless?? I have no idea why you'd like about that tbh. I'm stumped.


    I didn't hate it quite as much on reread as I did when he first posted it (yes I've been following along "live"), but I still think it's a bad post from Frog. I get that "it's Frog" is the go-to defense here but there's certain $%#! that you can meta out and even be nittery about it (ladd is very good at this sort of thing). Somebody using "howdy" in an entry post and it being alignment-indicative is not one of those things, and dredging up a bunch of examples, regardless of the ultimate conclusion, isn't villagery - it's busywork designed to look villagery, and I think Frog knows this.

    ##Vote Frog
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    Game Thread yeah yeah gonna do a reread today before I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#105)
    @GeneralHankerchief

    its march bronana
    yeah yeah

    gonna do a reread today before I post but I think it's Frog
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    Thread: Ice Cream Team Mafia

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    Completed Gg everyone. ...

    Gg everyone.



    Don't bus D1.
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    Game Thread Right, but without the restriction, there's...

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#18)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#16)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#15)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#13)
    The rule patch for this is that mafia are allowed a maximum of three total ignites across the game, which I assume will be applied here.

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    ah, I thought that was a rule but ceme said nah. Does that help, much, @GeneralHankerchief ?
    The three ignite rule was part of the initial ruleset I came up with to avert the problem that katze brought up. Adding onto this, there was an arsonist role in one of the Anni mashes that could douse/ignite the same night where the game designer (uh, me) forgot to include the three ignite stipulation, and as a result the wolves used it as an unblockable vig every single night, which went completely against the point of the entire role and was entirely my fault in this being the case.

    tl;dr it's an important rule for this setup, yes
    well, seeing as it's functionally the night kill in an otherwise mountainous setup, I don't think the "unblockable" vig part would be a problem. There's nothing else for it to interact with
    Right, but without the restriction, there's nothing to stop the wolves from just douse/igniting every single night. At this point, there's nothing distinguishing it from it being regular mountainous. The goal of this setup was to provide limited information and uncertainty for the town until the wolves decided to ignite, and to give the wolves some more strategic decisions to think over in terms of night actions (when exactly to ignite, who to douse vs push and dealing with the fear that one of their douses might be eliminated during the dayphase, etc).
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    Game Thread The three ignite rule was part of the initial...

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#15)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#13)
    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#12)
    if mafia can douse/ignite on the same night they can just play this like regular mountainous like true goats
    The rule patch for this is that mafia are allowed a maximum of three total ignites across the game, which I assume will be applied here.

    (not in)
    ah, I thought that was a rule but ceme said nah. Does that help, much, @GeneralHankerchief ?
    The three ignite rule was part of the initial ruleset I came up with to avert the problem that katze brought up. Adding onto this, there was an arsonist role in one of the Anni mashes that could douse/ignite the same night where the game designer (uh, me) forgot to include the three ignite stipulation, and as a result the wolves used it as an unblockable vig every single night, which went completely against the point of the entire role and was entirely my fault in this being the case.

    tl;dr it's an important rule for this setup, yes
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    Game Thread The rule patch for this is that mafia are allowed...

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#12)
    if mafia can douse/ignite on the same night they can just play this like regular mountainous like true goats
    The rule patch for this is that mafia are allowed a maximum of three total ignites across the game, which I assume will be applied here.

    (not in)
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    Completed gg everyone, I actually enjoyed myself until,...

    gg everyone, I actually enjoyed myself until, well, you know

    Thanks for organizing Cuth and thanks for hosting Voxx!




    mountainous goat
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    Completed glgl friends kill TL

    glgl friends

    kill TL
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    Completed gh endorses this take

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#5056)
    Punchy has a desire for gh to be shot
    gh endorses this take
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    Completed wanna bet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#5050)
    gh gonna post a legacy anyways bet
    wanna bet?
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    Completed nah we decided pregame not to do it

    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#5043)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#5030)
    No legacy post from us.
    really betting on that doc or dodge lmao
    nah we decided pregame not to do it
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    Completed this is peak ww

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#5025)
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#5015)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#4988)
    Esooa is very likely mafia ftr.

    Posting legacy soon, but I think EoD kinda solidifies it
    Them being the Vig shot i think is a good idea based on how their wagons have gone today.
    If vig shot esooa and not you imagining GH reaction is just hilarious. Tho if it's a red flip then that's even funnier
    this is peak ww
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    Completed No legacy post from us.

    No legacy post from us.
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    Completed sack up and pick a wagon bro Wazza ain't...

    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#5004)
    I see no reason to move my vote.
    sack up and pick a wagon bro

    Wazza ain't happening today
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    Completed Chop one, vig the other, wolves can't block it....

    Chop one, vig the other, wolves can't block it. Don't overcomplicate this.
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    Completed Because they're a wolf.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#4930)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4922)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#4914)
    @GeneralHankerchief if you beez playing them naezono, how is you beez doing them thinking TL is snitching on you beez wolf this game?
    I have no idea what this post is asking
    Thank you
    How can you think TL is wolf here if you played Naezono with wolf TL?
    Because they're a wolf.
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    Completed Ace was there a minute ago

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#4923)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4918)
    Guillotina is a dumb wagon.
    Beeboy is a good wagon.
    Esooa is probably not a good wagon.
    TL is a GREAT wagon.
    SR is a ????????? wagon.
    SR isn't even a real wagon I don't know why you feel the need to comment on it.
    Ace was there a minute ago
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    Completed I have no idea what this post is asking

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#4914)
    @GeneralHankerchief if you beez playing them naezono, how is you beez doing them thinking TL is snitching on you beez wolf this game?
    I have no idea what this post is asking
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    Completed Guillotina is a dumb wagon. Beeboy is a good...

    Guillotina is a dumb wagon.
    Beeboy is a good wagon.
    Esooa is probably not a good wagon.
    TL is a GREAT wagon.
    SR is a ????????? wagon.
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    Completed what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#4880)
    I HATE THIS

    ##Vote Secondhand Revenant
    what?
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    Completed https://media.giphy.com/media/5xtDarmwsuR9sDRObyU/...

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#4861)
    Ok so.

    Shad dislikes TL for coming into the thread and randomly throwing executions, he thinks that is scummy, he also didn't like her calling my reads fake. He says that Hally feels different from her town game from sense8 when she was town. He scum reads these two slots but disagrees with me on scum reading Esooa. He thinks Esooa is just above null but right bellow the town lean line now.

    Ephemera hates the buildup on the beeboy's wagon now and he agrees with my scum read on TL.

    So I'm leaving my vote on TL.
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    Completed OB5 if you're that insistent on getting the...

    OB5 if you're that insistent on getting the answer to the question you asked from last night, can you just spell out specifically what you're asking? I feel like this wink-wink-nudge-nudge fixation on my wall without taking the time to actually clarify and implication that I should be able to read your team's mind is even more performative than usual for you guys.
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    Completed https://media1.tenor.com/images/1ab724b5f1bfd05aaf...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyx (#4826)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4806)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyx (#4801)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4794)
    Maybe on THIS issue, yes, but our team is pretty firm there and no amount of persuasion will convince us otherwise.
    yes and that feels unnatural to me
    yes I agree

    I totally should just ignore the unanimous conclusion of a mason chat with Zack, Lissa, Newcomb, and Visor.
    i never said totally ignore

    i said that you aren't taking other peoples' opinions into consideration
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    Completed With respect, we've fallen victim to that effect...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#4811)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4806)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyx (#4801)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4794)
    Maybe on THIS issue, yes, but our team is pretty firm there and no amount of persuasion will convince us otherwise.
    yes and that feels unnatural to me
    yes I agree

    I totally should just ignore the unanimous conclusion of a mason chat with Zack, Lissa, Newcomb, and Visor.
    team game effect bro

    y’all got an echo chamber in there if you’re villaging
    With respect, we've fallen victim to that effect before. We know what it's like, we know how to check ourselves, we have a strategy to make sure to pursue the most likely hits every day. It's been accounted for.
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    Completed yes I agree I totally should just ignore the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyx (#4801)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4794)
    Maybe on THIS issue, yes, but our team is pretty firm there and no amount of persuasion will convince us otherwise.
    yes and that feels unnatural to me
    yes I agree

    I totally should just ignore the unanimous conclusion of a mason chat with Zack, Lissa, Newcomb, and Visor.
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    Completed please stop tagging me, I'm obviously here ITT

    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#4800)
    @GeneralHankerchief our team is debating the fact that you and Newcomb both being wrong on us is a major major sticking point, how do you plead
    please stop tagging me, I'm obviously here ITT
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    Completed no, because we still don't know what exactly it...

    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#4793)
    @GeneralHankerchief did your team ever get back with me re: that question about your first really long post
    no, because we still don't know what exactly it is that you're asking
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    Completed This is blatantly false. Maybe on THIS issue,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyx (#4788)
    tbh like

    i think one of the main things that i wolfread gh for is that he hasn't been trying to work with people

    he has a wolfcase on TES/TL sure and he's pushing it around the thread but like

    he's not considering what other people are saying on it unless they're agreeing with him

    i try to counter his point and he brushes me off and says it's NAGL for me
    This is blatantly false.

    Maybe on THIS issue, yes, but our team is pretty firm there and no amount of persuasion will convince us otherwise.

    When we read the beeboy iso in Marblelympics that was pointed out, we instantly dropped our v read there.
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    Completed We're not moving. Counterwagons of...

    We're not moving.

    Counterwagons of beeboy/Wazza are fine.

    Do as you will. We've said our peace.
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    Completed I don't really know what else to say here. If...

    I don't really know what else to say here.

    If beeboy goes over, fine, cool, just vig TL tonight so we can be done with this nonsense tomorrow.
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    Completed He really wasn't. There wasn't any actual...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyx (#4737)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4730)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyx (#4725)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4722)
    literally the opposite of what I argued
    you said it was a joke from a wolf not knowing what to say

    but they put it in their reads post which said a lot
    reread this post again and see if it makes sense this time
    it does

    you said TL putting himself in his readslist was because he didn’t know what to say

    but he was saying things in that post
    He really wasn't.

    There wasn't any actual insight to those reads. It was just names on a list.
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    Completed Yep. Midday sub.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gemma (#4736)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4703)
    One slot's villageriness does not override the other slot's wolfiness. Those posts still exist. That slot is still the same. Just because TES subbed out doesn't mean her posts don't count.
    She... didn't know they were the same slot - what?
    Yep.

    Midday sub.
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    Completed reread this post again and see if it makes sense...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyx (#4725)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4722)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyx (#4718)
    ah yes a full readslist a classic indicator of a wolf not knowing what to say
    literally the opposite of what I argued
    you said it was a joke from a wolf not knowing what to say

    but they put it in their reads post which said a lot
    reread this post again and see if it makes sense this time
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    Completed literally the opposite of what I argued

    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyx (#4718)
    ah yes a full readslist a classic indicator of a wolf not knowing what to say
    literally the opposite of what I argued
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    Completed $%#! thanks for the reminder

    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyx (#4713)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4703)
    her
    bap
    $%#!

    thanks for the reminder
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    Completed We are 100% on board with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous (#4697)
    Tl;Dr: voices think beeb should be villa shot and TL is a fine wagon
    We are 100% on board with this.
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    Completed It's the exact sort of joke wolves make when they...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#4702)
    i think calling tl putting ren in his reads list wolfy is stretchier than elastic and i have no idea how that’s a legitimate point against the slot
    It's the exact sort of joke wolves make when they don't know else to say.
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    Completed One slot's villageriness does not override the...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#5)
    First
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#8)
    Oops late
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#24)
    I see the rvs game starting strong lmao

    Though early sleep is a little weird
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#59)
    Old meme but whatever lol

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#86)
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#77)
    Same though. Bay12 meta is way slower than here.
    Not gonna loe I feel on having a slower homesite.

    Then again mine was 10ppp land
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#174)
    Mfw I dip for 20 minutes and we get another page
    Love MU d1s
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#178)
    Quote Originally Posted by billymills (#157)
    The eternal skies my team informs me you have actual dragons. Is this true?
    Of course
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#188)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#176)
    It probably doesn't help having this particular list and game size
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#179)
    Have you ever played a mash here?
    I've only spectated one, considered playing but wasn't sure if I'd have the time at that point.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#196)
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#194)
    Like I'd like to just chill with people and not be harassed for longer than thirty minutes.
    I mean getting eyed by everyone isn't that big a surprise after your deepwolfing in BG
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#214)
    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#169)
    Mostly my take is at most early sleep makes sense as a meme - I'd generally expect the rvs to be on sctual players. Mostly just something I'm noting down, since it doesn't really affect my opinion much rn.

    (Also sorry for not noticing that notification until you pointed it out to me 🤦)
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#218)
    Quote Originally Posted by billymills (#202)
    the eternal skies my team wants to know your flight rising username

    for

    reasons
    Reshiramu
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#228)
    @Ace Marvel[/mrntion] also nice opal imps;
    @

    [QUOTE=TheEternalSkies;4661973]Ah damn why do I always typo in the BBCode when I have to write it by hand lol
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4688)
    Why TES IS A WOLF:

    For starters, TES capped out at 39 posts. These are all the posts of theirs that contain no reads whatsoever:
    [QUOTE=TheEternalSkies;4661980]
    [QUOTE=orangeandblack5;4661976]yeah sure, except his reaction at the time (calling it weird) implies he did not think it was a memeTbh I had to read a couple more posts to fully put together the mene, and I'm used to rvs memes being votes on another player.[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE=TheEternalSkies;4662026]...welp did I just take a meme for serious[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE=TheEternalSkies;4662040]
    [QUOTE=Secondhand Revenant;4662031]There's literally reads on people who have not posted[/QUOTE]

    Oh

    Damn, I'm an idiot. I thought they might have posted while I was eating dinner, and everyone was starting to blur together.[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE=TheEternalSkies;4662112]
    [QUOTE=Esooa;4662101][MENTION=2747]TheEternalSkies[/QUOTE][/QUOTE];
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#351)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#342)
    are you new to mafia?
    I played on FR before but that was literally 3 years ago.

    Also like I'm kinda semi confused because I was dragged off for 20 minutes by IRL and as perU a lot of posts happened
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#360)
    Also yeah, this is the first full sizer I played on MU, did play a few turbos
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#365)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mistyx (#357)
    agree on lack of awareness of thread

    still dont think its scummy
    I can't touch type ap I'm a really slow typer, honestly. I didn't realise it was a meme.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#405)
    My team's kinda not here at present. Maybe they'll show up later if they're not busy.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#1675)
    Uhh I just got back from working with clay first thing in the morning and I'm gonna be in a another meeting, so not gonna be able to post much for now
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#2501)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#2463)
    And who's gonna be ypur wolfread when I flip green then?
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#2549)
    @GeneralHankerchief also I apologise if I was being too aggressive, I got frustrated there
    frustrated ther


    These are the posts that DO contain reads, no matter how thin:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#267)
    Tbh I like the list - I don't really agree w/ it (Esooa is still null fmpov, not sure turbo meta tracks to a full size gane, etc) but I do appreciate an attempt to reads.

    As for me I don't really have much atm. Mostly thinking Esooa null, Ace seems confident enough, sorta like how 4mask has been interacting, and kknda like how Misty has been posting right now as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#301)
    Mask isn't bussing with the recent vote lol
    Regardless of thir alignment
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#329)
    Quote Originally Posted by billymills (#312)
    perspective-wise why would you defend mask without concerning yourself with his alignment
    Mask can't be bussing if voting a town player
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#451)
    Hmm okay I guess I want to see if Marshall actually does the backread he says he'll do before I start to solidify reads on him.

    Also orange feels towny with the way he's asking questions, imo.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#837)
    Wew my teammates finally showed up

    Talking rn before I x-post TL's readslist but I want to say really quickly before that: partway through a Mist iso and nothing really pings me hard, my gut wants to say towny tone to posting overall. It's kind of... like she's there and ready to voice/talk thoughts when not memeing?
    Also of note: Mist interactions with Marshal feel like she's rebuffing Marshal to me, I'm not sure yet what to make of it
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#871)
    Alright so some reads
    - TL is feeling pretty null on Hally which I agree on, strong presence but unsure what alignment rn
    - TL thinks Orange atm is NAI
    - We are thinking Guillo leans w, TL doesn't think he seems geniune and to me he seemed like he was kind of posting forcedly and not sussing with much reasoning (no reason in iso for Orange, allhe had to say on Esooa is WIFOM)
    - Ren doesn't have much reads oop
    - I feel like Gemma slight towny, like the reasoning/question asked so far
    - Null read from me on SR, he's contributing but something about his questions feel a little weak/hollow? Could just be they feel kinda bland, want to see more from him
    - Esooa feelsvto me like she's taking it on and trying to solve, v read from me here and team liked her reaction to Guillo slot
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#875)
    Mm I'm not sure I'd call missing SoD1 hugely AI here? Full disclaimer I don't really know GH but I feel like there's all kinds of reasons to miss SoD, not just AI ones
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#881)
    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#876)
    yeah I know

    hence me asking if it's dumb
    I wouldn't read off that personally yeah, but like I said idrk GH

    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#879)
    oh uh

    for the record my second tier is townier than not
    Alright, got it. When you wake up: Why am I in "townier tgan not" then, just outbof curiosity considering earlier w read?
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#887)
    Yea, it's town > lean town > lean scum > null reads > no posts I think
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#892)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#885)
    @Essoa, has Ace been so towny that he deserves to be in ob5's top town?

    Also, have you? :P
    Am not Esooa or Orange, but since I v read him too (forgot to put on my list ooops) - I feel like what I recall of his posts just kinda exuded villagery confidence
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#2455)
    I have some quick thoughts

    - so I feel erh on Billy, but it's a null rn because it involved a post about GH that read to me like "hint hint I'll kill him" and aside from that nothing has really pinged me. I could change my mind after rereading him, will update after doing that.
    - Hally can lean *slightly* nulltown because I appreciate the thought process, but not enough to make her v nor do I feel like GH is much w
    - GH I'm null on. I see Hally's points, but feel like he's explaining his take on Gemma decently. Fair warning I don't know him so this is just my itt impression.
    - gonna rescind my Esooa v read because I'm not really liking the overnight posts, they start feeling forced.
    - standing by Ace v, the way he's acting... I doubt a scumteam would let him act like that.
    - Orange is lean v to me, feels like he's trying to poke and solve
    - ngl I'm not sure I understand Viggo w? I feel like the posts people are finding more ??? is a playstyle thing. (@Viggorous; to explain that post - thought I'd end up being out of thread for 12h and felt like if I'm gonna be mia for a long time should atleast explain? It turned into 15 thanks to several technical issues)
    - I'll probably re-ISO Gemma to see what I think of her
    - I still don't like Guillo's posting. Went from a forced push yesterday to feeling like he's hopping onto some better pushes today.

    TL;DR right now I'd rather put my slot's vote on Guillo

    @Mistyx to answer Bun:
    Ren reads from v to slight w:
    Gemma; tome read

    Mistyx; likes posts

    Hally; liked the GH case

    GH: Ren p much said Hally case lines up with their thoughts
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#2460)
    Also I need to take another look at that weird wording from Wisdom regarding her teammate's read, it's kind of eyebrow raising to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#2519)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#2505)
    Hrm? Is that a hint of suggesting he's a wolf or something?
    It's "when I flip green, because I will, who do you think are scummy?"
    Because aside from Gemma GH isn't really offering anyone he thinks would be wolf, and even Gemma he's not saying saying "w/w with Skies"
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#2524)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#2520)
    And is this a problem with GH? Has he seemed engaged enough with the thread we ought to expect him to have a lot of wolf reads etc?
    It's more "if he's certain I'm a wolf, why doesn't he have any ideas pf his own who's wolfing with me"

    Like he's going I'm lock scumming but doesn't seem to think from my ISO I'm anyone's buddy? Or ay least not naming that.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#2533)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#2527)
    He literally hinted he thought there was someone, asked the thread for guesses, shot down esooa guess, and then said he was gonna get dinner, so probably he does, yes
    To be honest that didn't seem like hiw it sounded? Like okay I'm not the best at tone IRL or online but it just reads as "who do you think is w/w with TES, and I don't think Esooa w"
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#2543)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#2530)
    Might I ask, do you have a scum team in mind? Personally I'm side eyeing this suggestion he should know buddies mid day one if he thinks you're a wolf
    I'm thinking Guillo sus for sure, probs not w/w with OB5/Esooa but the pushes are weak enough I wouldn't die on that hill
    Guillo/Wisdom maybe could see, feels like Guillo kind of just obligatory poking


    Note the paucity. Note the difference. Note the absolute NOTHINGNESS of a good amount of these reads. There is zero villagery thought in here. There is no fire to speak of. There is nothing redeeming about these posts. What there is is a $%#!ton of hedge, backtracking, conditionals, useless tangents, wolfy filler, inordinate amount of time spent on NAI reads, and pure nonsense.

    I talked about a few of these here:

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#2555)
    TES ON THEIR OWN:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#875)
    Mm I'm not sure I'd call missing SoD1 hugely AI here? Full disclaimer I don't really know GH but I feel like there's all kinds of reasons to miss SoD, not just AI ones
    This is a light sort of thing, but it's 100% the kind of post a wolf makes if they know somebody (me!) is town and is just fishing for some easy "reasonable" cred. The entire second sentence is not needed; the full gamut of info you need to know about TES's views here can be derived from the first sentence. "I don't think GH's SOD1 absence is AI." Done. All of the tack-on is unnecessary, and wolfily so.

    Secondly, I mentioned this before, but TES's reads TO posts ratio is way off. This was their own first post of actual substance in their iso, and it all came out to a big fat null on Mist. Easy easy easy to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#837)
    Wew my teammates finally showed up

    Talking rn before I x-post TL's readslist but I want to say really quickly before that: partway through a Mist iso and nothing really pings me hard, my gut wants to say towny tone to posting overall. It's kind of... like she's there and ready to voice/talk thoughts when not memeing?
    Also of note: Mist interactions with Marshal feel like she's rebuffing Marshal to me, I'm not sure yet what to make of it
    Next, the channeling teammates' reads, but again, the teammates also do not exactly have any fiery hot takes:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#871)
    Alright so some reads
    - TL is feeling pretty null on Hally which I agree on, strong presence but unsure what alignment rn
    - TL thinks Orange atm is NAI
    - We are thinking Guillo leans w, TL doesn't think he seems geniune and to me he seemed like he was kind of posting forcedly and not sussing with much reasoning (no reason in iso for Orange, allhe had to say on Esooa is WIFOM)
    - Ren doesn't have much reads oop
    - I feel like Gemma slight towny, like the reasoning/question asked so far
    - Null read from me on SR, he's contributing but something about his questions feel a little weak/hollow? Could just be they feel kinda bland, want to see more from him
    - Esooa feelsvto me like she's taking it on and trying to solve, v read from me here and team liked her reaction to Guillo slot
    There's just a paucity of overall solving in this iso, combined with a looooooot of fluff, plus a topping of just plain wolfiness in general, and yeah.

    TES AND OB5:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#881)
    I wouldn't read off that personally yeah, but like I said idrk GH

    oh uh

    for the record my second tier is townier than not

    Alright, got it. When you wake up: Why am I in "townier tgan not" then, just outbof curiosity considering earlier w read?
    This interaction right here isn't a softball, it's T-ball. It's as limp as they come with a buddy.

    From OB5's end:

    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#33)
    what makes it weird
    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#169)


    This early $%#!, combined with some TES votes in between that I didn't bother to quote, is all based around a question that doesn't actually mean anything. It's a softball question, designed to get a partner into the game, and in the meantime gets some good solid distancing in. The vote is way, way too early to actually matter, and we don't buy it. Just feels fake.
    In addition, let's collate their reads collection posts:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#871)
    Alright so some reads
    - TL is feeling pretty null on Hally which I agree on, strong presence but unsure what alignment rn
    - TL thinks Orange atm is NAI
    - We are thinking Guillo leans w, TL doesn't think he seems geniune and to me he seemed like he was kind of posting forcedly and not sussing with much reasoning (no reason in iso for Orange, allhe had to say on Esooa is WIFOM)
    - Ren doesn't have much reads oop
    - I feel like Gemma slight towny, like the reasoning/question asked so far
    - Null read from me on SR, he's contributing but something about his questions feel a little weak/hollow? Could just be they feel kinda bland, want to see more from him
    - Esooa feelsvto me like she's taking it on and trying to solve, v read from me here and team liked her reaction to Guillo slot
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#2455)
    I have some quick thoughts

    - so I feel erh on Billy, but it's a null rn because it involved a post about GH that read to me like "hint hint I'll kill him" and aside from that nothing has really pinged me. I could change my mind after rereading him, will update after doing that.
    - Hally can lean *slightly* nulltown because I appreciate the thought process, but not enough to make her v nor do I feel like GH is much w
    - GH I'm null on. I see Hally's points, but feel like he's explaining his take on Gemma decently. Fair warning I don't know him so this is just my itt impression.
    - gonna rescind my Esooa v read because I'm not really liking the overnight posts, they start feeling forced.
    - standing by Ace v, the way he's acting... I doubt a scumteam would let him act like that.
    - Orange is lean v to me, feels like he's trying to poke and solve
    - ngl I'm not sure I understand Viggo w? I feel like the posts people are finding more ??? is a playstyle thing. (@Viggorous; to explain that post - thought I'd end up being out of thread for 12h and felt like if I'm gonna be mia for a long time should atleast explain? It turned into 15 thanks to several technical issues)
    - I'll probably re-ISO Gemma to see what I think of her
    - I still don't like Guillo's posting. Went from a forced push yesterday to feeling like he's hopping onto some better pushes today.

    TL;DR right now I'd rather put my slot's vote on Guillo

    @Mistyx to answer Bun:
    Ren reads from v to slight w:
    Gemma; tome read

    Mistyx; likes posts

    Hally; liked the GH case

    GH: Ren p much said Hally case lines up with their thoughts


    Between the two of these posts, between teammates and TES herself, we have six null/NAI reads, one unclear ("I'll probably reISO Gemma"), four slight or lean v reads, two stronger v reads, one of which was rescinded in the second post, and one lean w read (Guillotina). That's it. Nothing stronger than what I mentioned, in either direction. No actual "I stand by this read no matter what" takes. This is NOT indicative of a villager, this is indicative of an inexperienced wolf who doesn't know where to push.

    What does TES do with her lean w read on Guillotina? Extremely little. This is the only post where it's followed up on:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEternalSkies (#2543)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#2530)
    Might I ask, do you have a scum team in mind? Personally I'm side eyeing this suggestion he should know buddies mid day one if he thinks you're a wolf
    I'm thinking Guillo sus for sure, probs not w/w with OB5/Esooa but the pushes are weak enough I wouldn't die on that hill
    Guillo/Wisdom maybe could see, feels like Guillo kind of just obligatory poking


    TES was a wolf.


    WHY TL IS A WOLF:

    TL has more a good bit more posts than TES, so I'm going to do everyone a favor here and not quote them all to make a point.

    What there is is just a notable sense of deflation and resignation to their posts overall. I've seen villagery deflation from TL before, in the game I referenced for meta earlier today where they were v, at one point TL made a post along the lines of "chop me and x if you believe this" that I immediately locked them as town for just because the gamestate at the time made it apparent that they genuinely believed that this chop order would be good for the town. It's kind of hard to explain without context, but I've seen what TL's villagery resignation is like and this ain't it.

    Beyond that:

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#3333)
    So let's talk about TL.

    They've fronted more than once since they subbed in that they're pretty well caught up with the thread and have generally been able to keep up with/follow proceedings, for the most part. And yet their entry reads list is a big ????

    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#3051)
    My rought reads list explain as i go is something like

    Town - Mist/Ace
    Town Lean - Gemma/Ren/Marshal
    Slight Town Lean - Logic/Dota/Second/Orange/Dawoodle
    Null - billy/Wisdom/beeboy/4maskwolf
    Who? - Azmine
    Wolf Lean - GH
    Wolf Read - Guillo

    ##Vote Guillotina
    Why is the Azmine read even there? It's a single specific null/"who?" read, not part of a larger grouping or anything. What's to distinguish Azmine from somebody like beeboy? Why did Azmine get singled out like that? Where is everybody else who wasn't on the list? If they're in null, again, why single Azmine out?

    If TL's actually been reading a lot, I don't think they've actually been taking in very many posts:

    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#3070)
    I didn't know azmine was in the game till i was asked my thoughts on them let me read their ISO quickly
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#3068)
    Most likely missed you in the paraphrasing should be in... no i compleltly missed you whoo are you again?

    Naw i think i would drop null for now cause no posts hit my brain when i look at your icon right now


    tl;dr I don't think TL was actually reading the game, or at least not taking in information from it the way a villager would, and threw up a reads list early upon subbing in without really taking the time to check their bases.

    Plus, everything TES did.

    choo choo
    Beyond that:

    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#3051)
    My rought reads list explain as i go is something like

    Town - Mist/Ace
    Town Lean - Gemma/Ren/Marshal
    Slight Town Lean - Logic/Dota/Second/Orange/Dawoodle
    Null - billy/Wisdom/beeboy/4maskwolf
    Who? - Azmine
    Wolf Lean - GH
    Wolf Read - Guillo

    ##Vote Guillotina
    Why is Ren here? In addition to everything else I said, why is Ren in this specific list in this specific spot? Ren is a teammate of TL's. Ren is part of TL's teamchat. I'm not going to nitpick about exactly where the placement is or what it signifies or anything. It's just a dumb joke, legitimately wolfy, and indicative of somebody who doesn't believe they have enough actual takes to fill out a reads list to pass the collective village's muster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#4113)
    Does anyone know stuff about Azmine?

    Just realized that almost all their posts are from SoD really.
    Azmine has 17 posts. They are literally the easiest iso in the game. This is again, somebody searching for an opinion to latch onto rather than forming one themselves.

    This should NOT be an issue for a team of villagers, especially one that's supposedly fine with the consensus wagons.

    TL, overall, is just kind of doing their thing. Their tone is NOT clearing, the resignation is markedly different from their villagery resignation and my team believes that this rectifies the "subbed into a wagoned slot" problem that was mentioned earlier today. There are too many instances where they display fake, lazy thought, and we strongly believe that this is because they are struggling to generate actual content as a wolf.




    TES was individually wolfy.
    TL is individually wolfy.

    This slot is a wolf.[/QUOTE]



    Tammy says she does agree with the TES wolf read but she's not sure on TL and thinks they seem kinda town.[/QUOTE]

    One slot's villageriness does not override the other slot's wolfiness. Those posts still exist. That slot is still the same. Just because TES subbed out doesn't mean her posts don't count.
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    Completed Here. This was the post I made that I...

    Here.

    Quote Originally Posted by hypnotoad (#1597)
    I'm not particularly going to scrutinize Capage's posts with a fine-toothed comb when a) there are so few of them and b) I've come around to agreeing with Zack and Tim's takes on them.

    TGT's posts were... I'm not gonna say they were superb, but I still think they came from town!him. TL's posts have been less heartening. I've gone back and forth with how I feel about the claim + rescind, including when writing this very post (at first I thought it was wolfy, then when I went back to iso for specifics, waffled again).

    This post though:

    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#1452)
    So yeah am voting capage today is where i think.

    Would make sense if him and a newer player/one that doesn't back read where the wolf team and might explain why Daizy was the kill over either of my soft or a more town read player. (That or they were scared of TP)

    ##Vote Capage

    If me and capage are both town i think the game is already lost based off peoples mindsets so think we just resolve the both of us asap.
    The last line gives me pause. If this is w/w, then... what's the goal? In that world, I don't think this type of post is written like this. There's more hard distancing, and probably not just a resigned "yeah if we're both town game's over so let's just see what happens".

    This is the kind of thing that Newcomb's really good at, but I just don't really see how a wolf makes this exact post, especially when Capage is also a wolf. Maybe if Capage is town and TL is a wolf, maybe, but I just don't think so.

    So I'm kind of swinging back around to TL town.

    Capage +2, hopefully.

    More to come, also hopefully.
    This was the post I made that I referenced above, where I correctly read TL's resignation as villagery and made a key read based off it that helped me lock in the solve (hypnotoad is my alt).

    This post, in this context, was made when TL and Capage were leading wagons during a critical point in the game. We widely believed that Capage was a wolf, and considering the exact tone in which TL made this post, it pretty much ruled TL out as a partner. Capage flipped wolf later that phase, taking TL out of the POE (which I did) helped continue to box the wolves in. There was resignation, and it was villagery.

    There is nothing of the sort here. TL has the ability to do this, even as a villager in a rough slot. Its absence speaks volumes.
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    Completed thread totally died after I posted that lol at...

    thread totally died after I posted that lol

    at least people are (probably) reading it!
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    Completed well who am I to disagree with Tammy's cuteness...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gemma (#4685)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#3997)
    @Dawoodle

    Visor says he's only ever played with v!Guillotina, but has checked out his old wolf games and there's definitely a level of craftiness as a wolf, even in the more emotional posting, that isn't present otherwise. Furthermore, he says that while Guillotina can indeed go emotional as both alignments, it's on another level as a villager.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#4121)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#4044)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#4036)
    what caused the change?
    thinking you/tl town changed it a lot

    ran wrote overnight that (not a direct quote but I'm putting it in quotes)

    "I've seen enough, gh is wolf. GH is not being towny and has no backline, he's couching things either in terms of 'my team' or very rarely 'newcomb.' He dropped the wazza push, there's no visor, zack, lissa reads, the TL push is actually pretty thin, they have no legacy reads which they should, expecting to get n1'd, his push mostly evaporated, and they're not obvtowning"


    pretty much going to be the extent of my response here
    Tammy agreed with and liked these posts. @GeneralHankerchief

    Tammy also thinks wazza is cute which means the slot is town.

    She thinks beeboy could go either way (she thinks his posting is meh but thinks his posting has been eh has either alignment lately, but that he is playing more like his scum game disappointed face).

    Tammy also has a wolf read on Esooa and I believe in her about it.
    well who am I to disagree with Tammy's cuteness read
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    Completed thanks for asking it's done

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#4686)
    GH how’s your post to bury TL coming along?
    thanks for asking

    it's done
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