Type: Posts; User: Magic Birdie
disney vacation club??We were in heaven. Theres only one
We all go there. Called DVC
You were lock clear in my eyes, sorry others didn’t see how towny you were.
Surprised that lamp didn’t get more pressure from me flipping. I defended him in a weird way and made sure to make it seem w/w
Aw it's okay
batmanBOOM BYE TOWN! GG grantThis is the correct answer.
If you're deep wolfing you deserve the win.
That birdie was considering me wolf at all after that nk means he's either terrible or a wolf. No villager with a brain ever sees my slot as wolf potential at all at this stage.
##Vote Magic Birdie
GG wolf scum get wrecked
I hope my spew helped. Lol
you said we would be in town heaven. But you are not.
Gonna overlook lamp being abrasive (wasn't really suspecting him so not sure where it came from) and say good work to the mafia team
I have to go to work now
I don't think it came off as normal to the rest of us. It seemed especially confusing. But that's okay
Lamp, can you finally tell us what you were doing on d1? Why you were messing around so much
I looked briefly at Grant's actions. They seem reasonable Ug
What rotte's death means for our interpretation of his ideasDo I know what?Grant thought lol should have been cleared based on effort. That's weird. What does it mean?
I expected rotte to be the nk.no one to cry with anymore. No one was ever going to suspect that guy, I guess. It is hard to decide whether that means anything about his ideas. Apparently it could go either way. Do you know, lamp?
Grant thought lol should have been cleared based on effort. That's weird. What does it mean?
I expected rotte to be the nk.
I have a bad feeling about grant. But it's just a feeling, and my intuition is undeveloped. I don't know if it's trustworthy. I don't really have a bad feeling about you, lamp. Why? I've felt not much more than confusion about you the whole game.
Oh. What do you want to hear from me? I have very little idea what sort of thing could defend me
I'm considering that lamp might be more trustworthy than grant. I want to look at what grant has done. I have a feeling it could be him. M2h was pushing him at the very beginning. I wonder if that's something mafia could do if they wanted to be tactical. I want to believe rotte about lamp, but he was wrong about me/lol. And what else do I know about lamp, really. I'm wondering if Grant's sudden fixation on me means anything. I can't fault someone for being wrong, but he paid no mind to my response. Is this typical behavior?
I mean other than cry again
If lol is town I don't know what to do
What would you do if you were me and you knew I were town
rotte.. let us cry togetherI think I want to cry
Do you know lol? I don’t remember you saying anything about his meta so I’m assuming you haven’t played with him a whole lot, so what exactly makes you confident that he isn’t the type who’s active regardless of alignment?
I doubt him being active and seemingly “wanting to find scum” clears him.
Hey you keep calling grant grack
I'd feel a lot worse for wrongfully killing lol than dyingrotte.. let us cry togetherI think I want to cry
Do you know lol? I don’t remember you saying anything about his meta so I’m assuming you haven’t played with him a whole lot, so what exactly makes you confident that he isn’t the type who’s active regardless of alignment?
I doubt him being active and seemingly “wanting to find scum” clears him.
rotte.. let us cry togetherI think I want to cry
Do you know lol? I don’t remember you saying anything about his meta so I’m assuming you haven’t played with him a whole lot, so what exactly makes you confident that he isn’t the type who’s active regardless of alignment?
I doubt him being active and seemingly “wanting to find scum” clears him.
I wonder if rotte will come back
I don't quite properly suspect lol, but I would rather have a 1/2 chance of dying
##Vote lol
I realized it's kinda awkward to talk about the game that way. It sounds like I'm trying to guilt you guys. Don't be guilted! Suspect me if you feel like it! I'm not trying to fault you.-Being fency/agreeing with people/doing little about stuff: very trueearly reads on batman are very fency and null, leaning towards them being suspcious but they never do anything about it.
then instantly agrees with lamp.but stays fency
in general their play so far has been to agree with pretty much everyone on everything, but at the same time staying distant away from them.
I don't really want to vote him right now because of what cuthalion said about how he prefers to respond to interesting stuff and I guess what batman said about going at his own pace. But also cuthalion isn't the most trustworthy to medefends both batman and m2h, but stays somewhat distant about it.
now batman is not a good kill.
asking a question, but trying to be extrememly careful about it. so far the entire play feels very insecure and afraid on anyhting, like a less experienced scum would.
weird post in general
shade on grant, shifting the blame to him.Ug I'm sorry mbd
I feel bad because I first said that I didn't like how little he did and then when grant suggested bad things I followed because I was really unsure about who to pick between lamp and grack. We shouldn't have been so easily swayedmore shade.
tries to put suspicion on d1 mdb voters (all of which, except birdie here, would be town), in a fency way.
remaining person is cuthalion, but
but here birdie says she doesnt suspect cuthalion. why was the proposal of looking into the d1 wagon made in the first place then?He stopped doing a bunch of stuff that made me suspect him (inactivity, roundabout statements) and, although that doesn't necessarily make him unsuspicious (after all he started that after I said that's why I didn't like him), it seemed like the drama at hand was more important. I didn't make the right choice, though. I think I'm too suggestible. I'm not sure why Cuthalion said he wanted a counterwagon, and I'm wondering if that should revitalize my suspicions.
not how one gets someone to talk.
gives reasons to suspect cuth
very fency with votes, keeps mentioning how she would vote someone, never really does. provides reads but tries to stay distant from any sort of argument.
m2h/batman defense
no one assumed doc was known to mafia, but wait - batman did. and so does birdie. slipI'd been saying the whole game that I didn't really like cuth. But yeah, I did have a habit of not voting anyone until the end.
Weird assumption that I knew he was the doctor before. In the context of "his being a doctor is obscure enough for people to not notice", it seems pretty reasonable to think that villagers could do this.
I dunno where the wolves were.
weird jump from "why do you suspect m2h/batman" to "you are too trusting"defense on m2hI guess he did say those things but he wasn't *that* intent on it, was he? I'm unsure about his wanting to vote grack in the end because he changed his mind and some people decided some of their points (that grack's jokes made him mafia) were invalid (I agree that they're invalid).
I kinda feel like voting grack more right now though because lately I've been feeling like the majority of his actions have been 1. Being suspicious of and persistent with batman and m2h for reasons that didn't seem convincing to me 2. Following others' votes (not to say people couldn't fairly do this but I suppose grack's being experienced makes it a little more suspicious. I think we'llhave ro think more about how he goes about doing it though.) And 3. Self-preservation.
These reasons are not super solid but I feel more strongly about them than about m2h
If I had to choose someone (and, well, I do) maybe I would choose grack.
did it up to d3 because i kinda started skimming after.
TL;DR:
- extremely fency reads & constant defense of both m2h and batman.
- instead of voting people, tells people who she would vote to push them in a direction.
- shades grant and entire d1 wagon for mdb lynch, then drops it when it gets no attention. (the entire wagon is town, if birdie is wolf)
- slips the fact that she knew what role cuth was. note that batman was the one who pointed it out.
i only went through birdie iso so if there are any inacurracies pls tell, i might not be looking at the entire picture here.
-defending m2h and batman: I waver a lot with what I thought of them and ultimately I think I felt pretty neutral about them. I thought grack's suspicions on the two were for pretty far-fetched but, regardless of the reasoning, he got them right. They were pretty much the only people he suspected until he agreed with grant about suspecting me, I think.
-shade on grant: true, and your implication (at least this seems to be what you're implying) that I was hoping someone could use this info productively is pretty true. I'm not confident in my own ability to assess whether something's suspicious, so I tried to bring it up and see what people would say. Same thing applies for the mdb voters thing
-I didn't mean to say I didn't suspect cuthalion in that post. I suspected him a fair amount the whole time until he claimed to be the doctor (and even then I wasn't sure if he'd lie about that until the next day).
-"not how one gets someone to talk" I've been trying all sorts of things to get eggboy more active. Yeah, none of them succeeded.
-"very fency with votes, keeps mentioning how she would vote someone, never really does. provides reads but tries to stay distant from any sort of argument." sounds like me irl. It is less virtuous in the context of this game. I know. I'm trying
(Past here I realized I started being off topic so skip if you'd like)
Again, I'm not entirely convinced that stating the way I felt about things will do much for my defense, being as they are as insubstantial as lies to you. The way this game operates is so divorced from both real-world ideals and my own behavior, typically, that I am not sure that I will play it again, except to teach myself that difference and begin to intuit it. Sorry to ramble. It seems that this ramble was a bit self-proving, haha, though to an irrelevant end.
Anyway
Lamp seems a little more townish now than before. I'm wondering if I'm wrong to have so much faith in rotte this whole time but I can't think of any reason to doubt it (other than just not having done it before).
-Being fency/agreeing with people/doing little about stuff: very trueearly reads on batman are very fency and null, leaning towards them being suspcious but they never do anything about it.
then instantly agrees with lamp.but stays fency
in general their play so far has been to agree with pretty much everyone on everything, but at the same time staying distant away from them.
I don't really want to vote him right now because of what cuthalion said about how he prefers to respond to interesting stuff and I guess what batman said about going at his own pace. But also cuthalion isn't the most trustworthy to medefends both batman and m2h, but stays somewhat distant about it.
now batman is not a good kill.
asking a question, but trying to be extrememly careful about it. so far the entire play feels very insecure and afraid on anyhting, like a less experienced scum would.
weird post in general
shade on grant, shifting the blame to him.Ug I'm sorry mbd
I feel bad because I first said that I didn't like how little he did and then when grant suggested bad things I followed because I was really unsure about who to pick between lamp and grack. We shouldn't have been so easily swayedmore shade.
tries to put suspicion on d1 mdb voters (all of which, except birdie here, would be town), in a fency way.
remaining person is cuthalion, butThat's me, eggboy, grack, grant, cuthalion, lamp.
Grack and lamp did it for self preservation, which is a potentially fair gamble for them.
Grant seemed to dislike mdb
I dont suspect myself
but here birdie says she doesnt suspect cuthalion. why was the proposal of looking into the d1 wagon made in the first place then?He stopped doing a bunch of stuff that made me suspect him (inactivity, roundabout statements) and, although that doesn't necessarily make him unsuspicious (after all he started that after I said that's why I didn't like him), it seemed like the drama at hand was more important. I didn't make the right choice, though. I think I'm too suggestible. I'm not sure why Cuthalion said he wanted a counterwagon, and I'm wondering if that should revitalize my suspicions.
not how one gets someone to talk.
gives reasons to suspect cuth
very fency with votes, keeps mentioning how she would vote someone, never really does. provides reads but tries to stay distant from any sort of argument.
m2h/batman defense
no one assumed doc was known to mafia, but wait - batman did. and so does birdie. slipI'd been saying the whole game that I didn't really like cuth. But yeah, I did have a habit of not voting anyone until the end.
Weird assumption that I knew he was the doctor before. In the context of "his being a doctor is obscure enough for people to not notice", it seems pretty reasonable to think that villagers could do this.
I dunno where the wolves were.
weird jump from "why do you suspect m2h/batman" to "you are too trusting"defense on m2hI guess he did say those things but he wasn't *that* intent on it, was he? I'm unsure about his wanting to vote grack in the end because he changed his mind and some people decided some of their points (that grack's jokes made him mafia) were invalid (I agree that they're invalid).
I kinda feel like voting grack more right now though because lately I've been feeling like the majority of his actions have been 1. Being suspicious of and persistent with batman and m2h for reasons that didn't seem convincing to me 2. Following others' votes (not to say people couldn't fairly do this but I suppose grack's being experienced makes it a little more suspicious. I think we'llhave ro think more about how he goes about doing it though.) And 3. Self-preservation.
These reasons are not super solid but I feel more strongly about them than about m2h
If I had to choose someone (and, well, I do) maybe I would choose grack.
did it up to d3 because i kinda started skimming after.
TL;DR:
- extremely fency reads & constant defense of both m2h and batman.
- instead of voting people, tells people who she would vote to push them in a direction.
- shades grant and entire d1 wagon for mdb lynch, then drops it when it gets no attention. (the entire wagon is town, if birdie is wolf)
- slips the fact that she knew what role cuth was. note that batman was the one who pointed it out.
i only went through birdie iso so if there are any inacurracies pls tell, i might not be looking at the entire picture here.
-defending m2h and batman: I waver a lot with what I thought of them and ultimately I think I felt pretty neutral about them. I thought grack's suspicions on the two were for pretty far-fetched but, regardless of the reasoning, he got them right. They were pretty much the only people he suspected until he agreed with grant about suspecting me, I think.
-shade on grant: true, and your implication (at least this seems to be what you're implying) that I was hoping someone could use this info productively is pretty true. I'm not confident in my own ability to assess whether something's suspicious, so I tried to bring it up and see what people would say. Same thing applies for the mdb voters thing
-I didn't mean to say I didn't suspect cuthalion in that post. I suspected him a fair amount the whole time until he claimed to be the doctor (and even then I wasn't sure if he'd lie about that until the next day).
-"not how one gets someone to talk" I've been trying all sorts of things to get eggboy more active. Yeah, none of them succeeded.
-"very fency with votes, keeps mentioning how she would vote someone, never really does. provides reads but tries to stay distant from any sort of argument." sounds like me irl. It is less virtuous in the context of this game. I know. I'm trying
(Past here I realized I started being off topic so skip if you'd like)
Again, I'm not entirely convinced that stating the way I felt about things will do much for my defense, being as they are as insubstantial as lies to you. The way this game operates is so divorced from both real-world ideals and my own behavior, typically, that I am not sure that I will play it again, except to teach myself that difference and begin to intuit it. Sorry to ramble. It seems that this ramble was a bit self-proving, haha, though to an irrelevant end.
Oh, if you're around now I'll get to my computerso you plan to do it when im not around, sighI could go through and respond point by point but it almost seems like it'd be a waste. I'll try to do it later when I'm not busy. Still seems like probably no one would be convinced (as this us hardly a good faith game the way we should structure real world conversations to be (this I am not yet used to)) but I have to try I suppose. (For empoof, at leastearly reads on batman are very fency and null, leaning towards them being suspcious but they never do anything about it.
then instantly agrees with lamp.but stays fency
in general their play so far has been to agree with pretty much everyone on everything, but at the same time staying distant away from them.
defends both batman and m2h, but stays somewhat distant about it.
now batman is not a good kill.
asking a question, but trying to be extrememly careful about it. so far the entire play feels very insecure and afraid on anyhting, like a less experienced scum would.
weird post in general
shade on grant, shifting the blame to him.Ug I'm sorry mbd
I feel bad because I first said that I didn't like how little he did and then when grant suggested bad things I followed because I was really unsure about who to pick between lamp and grack. We shouldn't have been so easily swayedmore shade.
tries to put suspicion on d1 mdb voters (all of which, except birdie here, would be town), in a fency way.
remaining person is cuthalion, but
but here birdie says she doesnt suspect cuthalion. why was the proposal of looking into the d1 wagon made in the first place then?
not how one gets someone to talk.
gives reasons to suspect cuth
very fency with votes, keeps mentioning how she would vote someone, never really does. provides reads but tries to stay distant from any sort of argument.
m2h/batman defense
no one assumed doc was known to mafia, but wait - batman did. and so does birdie. slip
weird jump from "why do you suspect m2h/batman" to "you are too trusting"defense on m2h
did it up to d3 because i kinda started skimming after.
TL;DR:
- extremely fency reads & constant defense of both m2h and batman.
- instead of voting people, tells people who she would vote to push them in a direction.
- shades grant and entire d1 wagon for mdb lynch, then drops it when it gets no attention. (the entire wagon is town, if birdie is wolf)
- slips the fact that she knew what role cuth was. note that batman was the one who pointed it out.
i only went through birdie iso so if there are any inacurracies pls tell, i might not be looking at the entire picture here.)
Right now I just don't understand this slip you're talking about. When did I assume the mafia knew about cuthalion, when I said "it seems pretty reasonable to think that villagers could do this"?
guess its my fault, i took a bit long to do it.
Wow, this was from right before eggboys death. 2/3 is really quite good.
This is true. I'm again getting resigned to letting my death be information for the rest of you. I do think that would be useful
I could go through and respond point by point but it almost seems like it'd be a waste. I'll try to do it later when I'm not busy. Still seems like probably no one would be convinced (as this us hardly a good faith game the way we should structure real world conversations to be (this I am not yet used to)) but I have to try I suppose. (For empoof, at leastearly reads on batman are very fency and null, leaning towards them being suspcious but they never do anything about it.
then instantly agrees with lamp.but stays fency
in general their play so far has been to agree with pretty much everyone on everything, but at the same time staying distant away from them.
I don't really want to vote him right now because of what cuthalion said about how he prefers to respond to interesting stuff and I guess what batman said about going at his own pace. But also cuthalion isn't the most trustworthy to medefends both batman and m2h, but stays somewhat distant about it.
now batman is not a good kill.
asking a question, but trying to be extrememly careful about it. so far the entire play feels very insecure and afraid on anyhting, like a less experienced scum would.
weird post in general
shade on grant, shifting the blame to him.Ug I'm sorry mbd
I feel bad because I first said that I didn't like how little he did and then when grant suggested bad things I followed because I was really unsure about who to pick between lamp and grack. We shouldn't have been so easily swayedmore shade.
tries to put suspicion on d1 mdb voters (all of which, except birdie here, would be town), in a fency way.
remaining person is cuthalion, butThat's me, eggboy, grack, grant, cuthalion, lamp.
Grack and lamp did it for self preservation, which is a potentially fair gamble for them.
Grant seemed to dislike mdb
I dont suspect myself
but here birdie says she doesnt suspect cuthalion. why was the proposal of looking into the d1 wagon made in the first place then?He stopped doing a bunch of stuff that made me suspect him (inactivity, roundabout statements) and, although that doesn't necessarily make him unsuspicious (after all he started that after I said that's why I didn't like him), it seemed like the drama at hand was more important. I didn't make the right choice, though. I think I'm too suggestible. I'm not sure why Cuthalion said he wanted a counterwagon, and I'm wondering if that should revitalize my suspicions.
not how one gets someone to talk.
gives reasons to suspect cuth
very fency with votes, keeps mentioning how she would vote someone, never really does. provides reads but tries to stay distant from any sort of argument.
m2h/batman defense
no one assumed doc was known to mafia, but wait - batman did. and so does birdie. slipI'd been saying the whole game that I didn't really like cuth. But yeah, I did have a habit of not voting anyone until the end.
Weird assumption that I knew he was the doctor before. In the context of "his being a doctor is obscure enough for people to not notice", it seems pretty reasonable to think that villagers could do this.
I dunno where the wolves were.
weird jump from "why do you suspect m2h/batman" to "you are too trusting"defense on m2hI guess he did say those things but he wasn't *that* intent on it, was he? I'm unsure about his wanting to vote grack in the end because he changed his mind and some people decided some of their points (that grack's jokes made him mafia) were invalid (I agree that they're invalid).
I kinda feel like voting grack more right now though because lately I've been feeling like the majority of his actions have been 1. Being suspicious of and persistent with batman and m2h for reasons that didn't seem convincing to me 2. Following others' votes (not to say people couldn't fairly do this but I suppose grack's being experienced makes it a little more suspicious. I think we'llhave ro think more about how he goes about doing it though.) And 3. Self-preservation.
These reasons are not super solid but I feel more strongly about them than about m2h
If I had to choose someone (and, well, I do) maybe I would choose grack.
did it up to d3 because i kinda started skimming after.
TL;DR:
- extremely fency reads & constant defense of both m2h and batman.
- instead of voting people, tells people who she would vote to push them in a direction.
- shades grant and entire d1 wagon for mdb lynch, then drops it when it gets no attention. (the entire wagon is town, if birdie is wolf)
- slips the fact that she knew what role cuth was. note that batman was the one who pointed it out.
i only went through birdie iso so if there are any inacurracies pls tell, i might not be looking at the entire picture here.
Right now I just don't understand this slip you're talking about. When did I assume the mafia knew about cuthalion, when I said "it seems pretty reasonable to think that villagers could do this"?
.. huh. M2h and batman both voted grack. I guess they left before eod when the votes shifted off grack/lamp
Lol has certainly put in a lot of effort. I wouldn't personally clear him for it, though.
Not very much. He is where he is in the list because of how trustworthy I find rotte. I have historically found him pretty town, but I'll have to think more about the arguments people are developing against him. It's also possible that I'll have to vote him without too much suspicion if I would be the alternative
What
This seems reasonable. I'll probably move my vote off lamp sometimeI think we can unanimously agree that lamp’s reaction to Batman’s push makes him town.
I doubt lamp’s reactions to batman’s push should come from SvS in general, but I’m really confident that this post doesn’t. The ridicule and confidence in batman being scum feels a bit too much as for simple distancing, especially since except grack and me no one was SRing batman strongly prior to that, so the scums shouldn’t have been so pressured to bus.
Pretty accurate. I can see why that'd look badas far as i remember, m2h and birdie had minimal interactions and batman was townreading birdie for the majority of the game.wanna elaborate on the interactions?
Do you have any thoughts on lol other than the voting for batman late thing
You're right that I'm good at appearing suspicious. I'm surprised it took so long for people to suspect me in this game. I was killed pretty quickly in my two other ones (though they were years ago) for reasons that seemed suspicious but were pretty unrelated to my alignment
Sorry rotteSlightly off topic
@birdie, you seem to have a great talent for making yourself look suspicious. WHY did you think writing sth like that at the beginning of the day was a good idea? -_-
From your pov, if you’re town, it should be obvious that batman was doing that to either pocket you or throw shade on you after he dies. There’s no reason for you to ask anyone about it
You writing it just informs the other players that “you’re worried that they’ll SR you because of it” and since that was the very first thing you wrote itt, that you’re prooobably more worried about it than about scum-hunting/looking for associations.
Sigh -_-
Anyway, I don’t think it necessarily makes birdie mafia, but I really didn’t like the reaction.
I'd like to talk about more important things if I can figure out how. I'm trying to talk about anything I can, and what you said should have been obvious wasn't. I don't really mind appearing worried about other people SRing me. It seems like that should be expected from any alignment. More evidence that I'm not used to how the game is played I suppose
Don't we have 1 mislynch and we'd lose if we mislynch again?
Best I can think of is that lamp uses unpredictable behaviors to cover his real intents. I do not know what those intents are. It seems like covering would be a suspicious thing, but it can also be something he uses regardless of role. For now, I think the rest of you are pretty good, so I'm voting him:
##Vote Lamphouse
I can't think of much to say to this right now. I probably thought it was still the fooling around that everyone was doing (which I still don't really know what to think of). It's one of those things that I can tell you what I thought of it but from your perspective it probably doesn't do much to change your read. I think your comments about me are making me feel a bit better about you, though. Let me know (anyone) if you think this is an incorrect response hahahThe actual interaction was whatever, it's fine, it's just that she's asking other players to explain their reads at the same time she's talking to Batman, but never asks him to explain his... even though Batman's vote on you was the least explained.
Maybe i'm over thinking it, it just felt like their convo would naturally have led to Birdie asking him game-related content.
What do you see in lol?
My list would probably be me, rotte, lol/grant, lamp
Your tinfoil?
Is this because of my inactivity, your feeling better about everyone else, or something different?
Wouldn't he want to (in general, as a basic strategy) either frame town people as mafia or NK them? He did not try to frame me, and I don't see myself getting NKed.
I feel worst about lamp but theres a number of things that could be misleading me here
Why did batman decide insistently that I was town if he was mafia? Could be inexperience talking but how does this help him
Hi everyone. Sorry for my absence. Scheduling got out of hand, but I'm back now. It shouldn't be a problem anymore
At that point, only Grant had been voting for me, so I'm not sure it counts as a big wagon. It did become big later, though.Lol is lower than birdie btw.
I'm not really all that confident about Birdie being w, but my Grant vote isn't going anywhere and Birdie is a nullish slot rn for me just based on their noncommital style and a lot of fillery posts.This doesn’t feel like distancing.
Or like, I’m not 100% confident here, but the way M2H switched votes felt more like she wanted her vote to be on a big wagon and appear useful, not necessarily like she was trying to get any town-points from voting there.
One doesn’t just simply agree with a SR and lazily vote a scumbuddy as a compromise lynch when there isn’t even that much danger in the said scumbuddy being lynched. There’s quite a chance that it was just a lazy vote on a townie.
I think M2H being mafia probably makes grack less likely mafia based on his persistence about M2H at the beginning, but this idea seems pretty surface level.
I didn't notice much confidence from him, where?
I do not want to see that
Originally Posted by BATMAN
