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Originally Posted by Happy 1634560061 (#21)

Originally Posted by shellyc 1634559824 (#17)

Originally Posted by Vandyfan402 1634558995 (#12)

Originally Posted by Vandyfan402 1634558791 (#9)

Oh my god, a town rand.

I would normally call this post so scummy, lol.

Slight ping? fixation on appearance is alarming

I actually think that post is towny. Vandys first post felt a bit off to me since I’ve seen him rand scum so many times in a row now, especially in some very tough games so I was expecting some more noticeable excitement when he finally randed town. But I feel like the self awareness he had in p#12 like I said earlier felt towny in the way he went about casually delivering that line. Overall I think Vandy is most likely leaning town based off his entrance posts

What do you mean "casually delivering"

P#9 and P#12 have 3 minutes between them, denoting that vandy probably spent a bit of time thinking over the effect P#9 had

Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk 1634559988 (#19)

Originally Posted by shellyc 1634559824 (#17)

Originally Posted by Vandyfan402 1634558995 (#12)

Originally Posted by Vandyfan402 1634558791 (#9)

Oh my god, a town rand.

I would normally call this post so scummy, lol.

Slight ping? fixation on appearance is alarming

do you really equate

slight ping with

alarming?

This is the 22nd post of the game, and we're in d1

The fixation is alarming but it doesn't define vandy's alignment and it is rather obvious the overall read is not strong

Originally Posted by Vandyfan402 1634558995 (#12)

Originally Posted by Vandyfan402 1634558791 (#9)

Oh my god, a town rand.

I would normally call this post so scummy, lol.

Slight ping? fixation on appearance is alarming

##Vote Cape90

Let’s duel.

FIRST

/in

/in with @Cape90 (mafia.gg), name is tbd

rip, gg town

Originally Posted by Cape90 1633907455 (#7368)

was Scyther converted?

we tailored him, as in made him false flip red

/out

/out

/in

Good news, schedule has (mostly) cleared up so I'll be able to play

/in

/sub

Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 1633105041 (#5987)

@shellyc

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...Multiball-19er

Recent Hydregion town game.

Hydregion is town.

I’m on the verge of falling asleep on my feet rn and it’s nearly 2am but single game meta is useless

@stormslyde kinda :/ on you gravestoning me because it's rather likely to be town/town/town but if the majority of people are consensus on that being the "second tier" of the PoE, sure

I feel so stupid rn because I actually thought Hydre's D1 contained content

I have never seen such a contentless 200 post ISO in my life

That being said

##Vote Hydreigon25

I'm sold and I trust you to direct town to launch here

I think tessepia knows that they can't endgame so giving up ground (voting Lag) when town has tabled GG is a bit ??

I won't be here at EoD unless I sacrifice my sleep so f

Let me read Hydre's D1 again

Rn we have

GG: Jackofhearts2005 (25), Lag (72), Wesmaster160 (48), Ominoire (62), Luxy (20)
Lag: TripleHaven (5), Hydreigon25 (32), Garden Gnome (25), tessepia (15), shellyc (80)

If Lag flips scum it makes me feel better on tessepia and GG which significantly narrows the PoE to a point which scum can't ever win

Originally Posted by Biohaz 1633101515 (#5968)

Originally Posted by Biohaz 1633101363 (#5967)

Originally Posted by shellyc 1633100754 (#5963)

Somehow I used a double negative, I mean I think its pointless

What do you think is townie af from Lag?

I think their defense of themself was very townie. Like idk how to put this into words best but their sheer obstinance that the Grant CFD lock-cleared them probably doesn't come from a wolf who has TMI that they were bussing. Lag was borderline self-righteous about how the CFD and then swapping back to igno made them always town. And I think it's really hard for a wolf to replicate this if they just bussed on 2 wagons

there's other little reasons such as:

claim is weak and easily verifiable
I copied them last night and got no feedback


but those aren't substantial. I think Lag is still in PoE, I just don't see why we'd ever eject them prior to Hydre. If we want to vig them at night it's probably a reasonable idea

I think the confirmation that Lag didn't rolecop is slightly redeeming tbh?

I'm kinda equally scumreading Lag/Hydre rn so I'm going with the higher information launch, it's not solely an infokill or whatever you said

Originally Posted by Biohaz 1633101363 (#5967)

Originally Posted by shellyc 1633100754 (#5963)

Somehow I used a double negative, I mean I think its pointless

What do you think is townie af from Lag?

I think their defense of themself was very townie. Like idk how to put this into words best but their sheer obstinance that the Grant CFD lock-cleared them probably doesn't come from a wolf who has TMI that they were bussing. Lag was borderline self-righteous about how the CFD and then swapping back to igno made them always town. And I think it's really hard for a wolf to replicate this if they just bussed on 2 wagons

hmmm?

Originally Posted by Lag 1632771002 (#4552)

Originally Posted by Lag 1632770907 (#4551)

Originally Posted by Lag 1632770803 (#4549)

Originally Posted by Biohaz 1632770105 (#4547)

Originally Posted by Lag 1632770059 (#4545)

How do you explain me + Schweppes + GQ all voting to accelerate the Grant CFD?

what do you mean? you voted them yes. I'm struggling to understand why you think that makes you lock-clear when their was already a major wolf wagon that you got off of to join this one

Here's the line of thought, let me know where the disconnect is:

- It is very likely that the Grant CFD at EoD was not motivated by wolves. Igno left a vote on Grant for spew reasons, which backfired.
- The vote order was: Cape, Schweppes, Me, Insaner, Omni, GQ, CRichard, Dolby
- Schweppes, Me, and GQ coordinated in our neighborhood to push the Grant CFD

Grant flipping was much worse for the wolves than Igno just flipping

If TH is town, then TH flipping would have been better than either of them flipping

What wolf coordinates a CFD onto Grant like that when the best scenario is TH flip (assuming TH is town)
second best scenario is igno flip, and worst scenario is Grant flip?

As of #3857, TH was in the lead with 7 votes and Igno had 6.

I then flipped to Igno putting Igno in the lead at 7 with TH at 6.

Tess voted TH to bring it back to 7 to 7

And then the Grant CFD started.

If I were a wolf, why would I help coordinate that CFD rather than going back to TH to make the TH wagon 8 to 6 on Igno?

Actually even more, after Cape voted, I could have switched to TH to make the vote 8 for TH and 5 for Igno

If GG is Town and I am wolf, why did I not take Wes's offer to join the GG CFD either?
It reached 5 votes before the Grant CFD started and was looking very viable.

I don't get how this is especially self-righteous?

It's just defending yourself 101, I'm not really seeing it

Originally Posted by shellyc 1633100754 (#5963)

What do you think is townie af from Lag?

requoting, I need an answer here to pivot to hydre once and for all

I think it's nigh impossible that Lag/GG/Hydre is town/town/town so nuking all of them through town kp + the launch gives us the win basically.

if that doesn't win us the game outright then we re-eval in TH/storm/luxy(mechanical $%#!y with scythkill?) but idt I'll be voting any of them today or tmr

Somehow I used a double negative, I mean I think its pointless

What do you think is townie af from Lag?

I don't think voting Hydre if we don't have at least 5 people committed there is pointless because flipping one of Lag/GG gives more information on the rest of the PoE

Originally Posted by Biohaz 1633099088 (#5956)

Anyone around? Would like to discuss things, particularly with storm/shelly/venti

##Vote Hydreigon25

Do we have enough votes for Hydregion?

I've said this before and I want that slot more because they have no townpingy things at all

I like your readslist quite a lot, it's generally where I'm at

Originally Posted by Venti 1633096819 (#5951)

Are you really mechanically confirming someone in a bastard game?

mechanically *likely to be townie* if you like it that way

The feeling that the game is solved also kinda cut my motivation. It's like the PoE's been presented in front of us, everyone else is probably town, and if we clear the PoE it will probably be game over due to occams

and whatever I say won't actually make much of a difference because it's not like I disagree with the PoE in general

Originally Posted by Venti 1633096515 (#5948)

Shelly’s push onto Lag seems like it is sprung from her not liking Lag’s reaction to DkKoba.

Yeah, it does
I would also like to point out that Shelly seems to heavily scum read Luxy and hasn’t really pushed Luxy today.

Did you forget that Luxy is mechanically confirmed town

In addition Shelly had such a powerful start to the game with a lot of medium effort posts, but I haven’t really seen that many from her as of late.

Work is a thing

Shelly also town read lag, and seemed to want to vote Garden yesterday.

Re-evaluation is a thing too

I am doing an analysis of Shelly’s interactions and her ISO so hopefully I will have it done within ~2 hours.

If you continue to assume guilty until innocent I will be extremely frustrated

> shellyc scumleans Lag on D3 due to PoE
> shellyc likes Lag's efforty reaction to my tentative SR on D2
> Dolby and Phraze flip town and shellyc thinks GG is likely town
> shellyc slowly starts re-evaluating and reads Lag's ISO
> shellyc realises that D1 of Lag was hella performative
> shellyc doesn't like Lag's wagonomics that much
> shellyc doesn't like Lag's reaction to Koba
> shellyc thinks about Lag's alignment overall
> shellyc thinks Lag is just scum and votes them, with Hydregion (also probscum) not going over today

Originally Posted by Venti 1633096005 (#5945)

Originally Posted by shellyc 1633095699 (#5944)

##Vote Lag

People who want to launch GG despite townreading them are also ???

Haha, Shelly made a big error. I’ll post my ISO of Shelly/Giklle soon but this vote runs directly counter to her logic.

@Venti

Originally Posted by shellyc 1633006613 (#5694)

Originally Posted by Mafia Host 1633001779 (#5674)

Retrospective Day 3 Votecount as of Post #5226

Post #5226 was originally posted at 7:00 PM EDT on Tuesday, September 28th, 2021.

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
6	Dolby	Lag (108), Luxy (33), stormslyde (67), Ominoire (117), Wesmaster160 (134), Cape90 (93)
5	Phraze	Garden Gnome (69), TripleHaven (44), tessepia (39), Biohaz (69), Dolby (35)
3	Garden Gnome	Jackofhearts2005 (67), shellyc (93), Dedenne (88)
1	stormslyde	Phraze (30)
2	Not voting	Hydreigon25 (21), Venti (93)

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Requested by Venti.

But like, no way in hell Dolby wagon is a clean one right

ominoire/wes/cape are all locktowned, luxy is cleared off mech, and storm's rxn was towny

that leaves lag

Originally Posted by shellyc 1633063996 (#5886)

Idm being gravestoned to be confirmed

storm/venti is kinda obvious town/town.

Still wanna nuke hydre because there's really nothing that lends a lot of towncred there compared to Lag/GG but aorn I prefer Lag > GG

Originally Posted by shellyc 1633064047 (#5887)

I don't like Lag's reaction to Koba's push at all

hmmmMMMMMMmmmmmMMMMMM

Yes my lag vote *totally runs against my logic* doesn't it?

##Vote Lag

People who want to launch GG despite townreading them are also ???

Originally Posted by Mafia Host 1633094215 (#5942)

Vote by Proxy

Originally Posted by Venti

##Vote shellyc

It is now 9:16:55 AM EDT on Friday, October 1st, 2021. There are 1633129260000 remaining.

Uhhh what the $%#! are you doing

Originally Posted by Lag 1633068600 (#5915)

Originally Posted by shellyc 1633068542 (#5911)

Originally Posted by Lag 1633068385 (#5910)

Originally Posted by shellyc 1633068130 (#5906)

Classic "I AM NOT PAIRED" defense :eyes:

I'll need to check the plausibility of Lag/GG being doublescum wagons but this game feels really boring if we had s/s wagons for three days lmao

Classic attempt to discredit a valid defen]se.

Wolves have somewhere between 2-4 people left. With the entire PoE voting me, they're obviously getting no towncred from bussing here. Meaning either my teammates are like exactly storm + cape?

Or you think there are some deepwolves that managed to get themselves mech towncleared like Omi + Wes or Luxy or bio

It's super awkward to push on GG instead because their role is somewhat confirmable.

Wrt GG: Grant also had a hyperactivity thing, Mafia Poisoner is busted with that, factional kill+2poisons is mega overkill

Mafia have no choice but to bus you here, if you are scum

My role is literally hard confirmable rather than somewhat confirmable, what even is this post?

confirmable = confirms align in my book, I think you thought of it as "confirms power"

stopping someone for voting for one day does not lend a town!you case, it just means that your claim is truthful as either align.

Originally Posted by Lag 1633068573 (#5912)

Originally Posted by shellyc 1633068319 (#5909)

Originally Posted by Lag 1633068236 (#5908)

Originally Posted by tessepia 1633067716 (#5904)

shelly isn't PoE lmao unless u got a wacko PoE

#5665

PoE

And literally all the bottom slots in the PoE except storm are pushing me now

No $%#!ing way Venti is PoE

And who else belongs in that spot then? Hm?

Hydregion does

If you are town here please sell me on GG because I'm really not seeing it rn

Originally Posted by Lag 1633068385 (#5910)

Originally Posted by shellyc 1633068130 (#5906)

Originally Posted by Lag 1633066243 (#5900)

Also now with Shelly joining in on the push, does anyone else think it's weird that literally the entire PoE sans storm is pushing me now?

Like if I'm wolf, who tf are my teammates here?

Classic "I AM NOT PAIRED" defense :eyes:

I'll need to check the plausibility of Lag/GG being doublescum wagons but this game feels really boring if we had s/s wagons for three days lmao

Classic attempt to discredit a valid defen]se.

Wolves have somewhere between 2-4 people left. With the entire PoE voting me, they're obviously getting no towncred from bussing here. Meaning either my teammates are like exactly storm + cape?

Or you think there are some deepwolves that managed to get themselves mech towncleared like Omi + Wes or Luxy or bio

It's super awkward to push on GG instead because their role is somewhat confirmable.

Wrt GG: Grant also had a hyperactivity thing, Mafia Poisoner is busted with that, factional kill+2poisons is mega overkill

Mafia have no choice but to bus you here, if you are scum

Originally Posted by Lag 1633068236 (#5908)

Originally Posted by tessepia 1633067716 (#5904)

Originally Posted by Lag 1633066243 (#5900)

Also now with Shelly joining in on the push, does anyone else think it's weird that literally the entire PoE sans storm is pushing me now?

Like if I'm wolf, who tf are my teammates here?

shelly isn't PoE lmao unless u got a wacko PoE

#5665

PoE

And literally all the bottom slots in the PoE except storm are pushing me now

No $%#!ing way Venti is PoE

I'm also not really pushing Lag because their ISO has redeeming posts once in a while

Hydregion launch is overdue tho

Originally Posted by Lag 1633066243 (#5900)

Also now with Shelly joining in on the push, does anyone else think it's weird that literally the entire PoE sans storm is pushing me now?

Like if I'm wolf, who tf are my teammates here?

Classic "I AM NOT PAIRED" defense :eyes:

I'll need to check the plausibility of Lag/GG being doublescum wagons but this game feels really boring if we had s/s wagons for three days lmao

Originally Posted by Cape90 1633067513 (#5903)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1633067251 (#5902)

Originally Posted by shellyc 1633056826 (#5867)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1633052385 (#5832)

Obviously not Wesmaster160
Not Shelly
Not Lag
Not Venti
I thought TH got confirmed somewhere but I forget
Prolly not Biohaz
Prolly not you
Prolly not tessepia
Prolly not Ominoire

Leaving me with Luxy/storm/Garden Gnome

Why is Luxy town?

tessepia is just town, I’m inclined to trust in Schweppes + they were gunning after Ignorascum and TH town

This implies that I think Luxy is POE

If you meant the other way around.

IDK they have been pretty town to me tbh.

But I was possibly thinking they post more as town?

Plus their catch up posts from earlier look exactly like the type of thing I saw scum in the games that I have played twice before

Uh I think my phone autocorrected Lag to Luxy

Why is Lag town

Hydre voting Lag is making me hesitate a bit

Otherwise Lag's ISO was even more performative than I thought

It's like they're floating about instead of pushing

Originally Posted by Lag 1632609688 (#3826)

Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 1632609604 (#3820)

CFDDDDDDD ON GG LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

@Travis
@Dedenne
@tessepia
@ignoramus
@stormslyde
@Dolby
@Luxy
@shellyc

This list is terrible

Townposting tho?

@Lag why did you scumread Wes on D1?

Originally Posted by Lag 1632457838 (#2694)

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1632457785 (#2692)

Originally Posted by Lag 1632457749 (#2689)

I probably have the most OP ability in the game

dont care + ur prob scum

u need 2 lrn 2 chill

Originally Posted by Lag 1632458346 (#2725)

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1632458098 (#2711)

actually nvm i read lag's iso and its super ugly so to the perma-poe u go

rood

Originally Posted by Lag 1632459037 (#2743)

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1632458238 (#2719)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1632458175 (#2714)

Lag has a mega towny ISO

its literally like chock full of IIoA and their reads lists sucks $%#! when compared to the flips + my current reads independent of the list + their tone is performative as hell.

Mind educating me on what your reads list is then so I can see where we disagree

Originally Posted by Lag 1632459341 (#2752)

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1632459085 (#2746)

Originally Posted by Lag 1632459037 (#2743)

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1632458238 (#2719)

Originally Posted by Cape90 1632458175 (#2714)

Lag has a mega towny ISO

its literally like chock full of IIoA and their reads lists sucks $%#! when compared to the flips + my current reads independent of the list + their tone is performative as hell.

Mind educating me on what your reads list is then so I can see where we disagree

nah. i dont do reads list + i dont even plan on outting one until i get my way with killing 3p.

I don't like your playstyle

Can anyone tell me how these are townposts from Lag because these reactions are really wack

Originally Posted by tessepia 1633064602 (#5892)

I spent the later half of it pushing wagons off v/v schweppes TH, and I pushed Scyther, probably the best wolf on the team (regardless of rand) heavily, and etc

"People who have really out there reads, stick out too much, don't agree with the generally established townblock, and want to do their own thing which people largely disagree with get lynched incredibly consistently. They also incredibly consistently flip town." -certain reputed mafia player
It's why tessepia is almost always town here based on EoD2 alone

Idk if @Cape90 can confirm that my scumstyle includes heavy discrediting of LHFs but if I am scum here defending all the plausible MLs that I can get and waffling so hard on the PoE of GG/Lag and voting Hydre doesn't make sense

Originally Posted by tessepia 1632586381 (#3538)

Tbh the only thing I care about is that my posts are probably good enough at this point I'm going to die tonight. I don't care to direct people rn so I'm waiting for death

@Everyone who wanted tessepia this is literally townspew when considering that TH was topwagon at the time

"Volumeclearing" Hydregion also doesn't make a shred of sense when their content after I repped into this game is basically zero.
People seem to have hard ignored them because ??

Looks like nobody will actually launch that slot tho so I'll continue my ISO on Lag

I don't like Lag's reaction to Koba's push at all

Idm being gravestoned to be confirmed

storm/venti is kinda obvious town/town.

Still wanna nuke hydre because there's really nothing that lends a lot of towncred there compared to Lag/GG but aorn I prefer Lag > GG