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    Game Thread sheep who *are* you compelled to resolve today? ...

    sheep who *are* you compelled to resolve today?

    gotta be someone
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    Game Thread Here's a mockup I did of Ara's usual avatar but...

    Here's a mockup I did of Ara's usual avatar but with the danklissa sunglasses on:



    Ara if you have a higher-res version you want this treatment applied to, just let me know
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    Game Thread it's definitely LEAST TOWNIE though

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#929)
    idk if that is especially wolfy
    it's definitely LEAST TOWNIE though
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    Game Thread From Ara's igno iso a little bit ago, the actual...

    From Ara's igno iso a little bit ago, the actual quoted bit is from July:

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#912)
    GH is GH I need a lot of help to solve him (and a lot of help to get over my paranoia too)
    I'm really not trying to pile on but like

    zzzz

    a) I don't think we've ever played together before, outside of MAYBE a big mash or two where I don't recall us ever concentrating on each other or interacting or anything. The last time I was physically in a teamgame, Igno didn't go out that day IIRC (if Igno was even on a team at all to begin with?).
    b) I've not had an especially successful wolf game in quite a long time, lol. Like, paranoia? From when? 2018?
    c) The sentiment expressed is beyond boilerplate and could easily be copypasted at this (relative) point in D1 in any single game and it would still get thoughtful head nods from anyone who's merely skimming along without further scrutiny

    idk if that is especially wolfy, especially considering igno sort of actually followed up on it (caveat: 3+ months later, and then apparently only because of RNG), that statement just annoys me in a vacuum and I feel like being a little petty today anyway
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    Game Thread sheep v not especially a controversial read,...

    sheep v

    not especially a controversial read, but still

    his latest spat of posting has locked it in for me for a good while, I think
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    Game Thread meh I suppose the whole "GH/visor wtf exactly is...

    meh I suppose the whole "GH/visor wtf exactly is going on there something POTENTIALLY WORRISOME HUH" take could count for a delivery of a wolfread, but I don't like how it's conditional and obviously the conclusion itself that I'm a wolf (unless it's talking about Visor?) is incorrect, BUT STILL.

    oh also, this is a real read, I didn't like the wording of the final conclusion: "least townie" as opposed to "wolfiest" or something similar is legitimately a wolfy way to present it
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    Game Thread @ Frog does this take still hold up now that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#918)
    i think igno is town now if i didnt before

    *legal clause stating i havent slept in 48 hours and have lost over 10 lbs in that time, very delirious
    @ Frog does this take still hold up now that you're (hopefully) recovering?

    because igno's post to the above filled me with precisely nothing
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    Game Thread give me some WOLVES

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#915)
    1. Sheep: town, reason being (from p#22-p#112) relaxed vibe while still making reads and stuff (albeit pretty minimal)
    P#271 I only read a teeny bit but majority weren't doing much (or doing anything At All) so his effort to make this raises his town equity
    Like
    He's one of the first ones to do it, if not The first to do it
    So I feel like it's more town-indicative, especially given his still fairly relaxed tone
    Gonna be assuming for this part but I think a mafia/non-town who was this relaxed wouldn't make much reads/progress until everyone else did so


    2. Lendunistus: so obvious in his "I don't give a damn. I do Not want to play" attitude I think he might just be town?? Not as townie as Sheep but still town


    3. Visor: is him and Hankerchief talking to each other so much non w/w indicative? Because to me it is and I doubt y'all will be able to change that for a while mnitwerk:
    Also saw a bit of GH and his conversations (p#311) and if anything, probably GH/Visor w/t?? Feels too much like "I Shall Take Advantage Of Him Not Doing Much And Pocket Him Through Reads :evil:" out of all three, least townie


    Just my luck the RNG picker I used went for majority lower posters

    Anyway : peace_out : for like. Another year
    Or until I die first
    Whichever goes first
    give me some WOLVES
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    Game Thread Marshal, your stance on Koba has been noted....

    Marshal,

    your stance on Koba has been noted. You'll note that in my last reads list I basically pushed Koba down a tier out of paranoia and part of that may have been internalized from what you've been pushing for most of the year.

    I'm still not interested in going there today for a number of reasons:

    - I don't think Koba pushing so hard to get people involved is especially AI, considering their background. Even if you contract the game time in a more normal 36/12 or 48/24 or something this has been a low-activity game so far and I don't especially think Koba, who typically plays in quick and high-volume environments(?), is used to it.

    - I think Koba's early interactions with certain people, typically Visor, back when they were taking a good amount of heat, was something that a wolf would do in that position. Instead of looking to disengage and sort of regain their footing in the thread, Koba instead kept on the attack and tried to "win" the argument in a way that went beyond trying to paint Visor as wolfy. Basically there were two typical roads a wolf takes in that sort of position, and Koba didn't really take either.

    - It's a marathon, not a sprint, and I'm not chopping the top poster in a game with this low activity, not on D1 anyway lol

    - This is a truly terrible take but I still gutread jumpluff's (who Koba replaced) opener as villagery

    - I don't get what differentiates Koba from Frog in your mind, seeing as how Frog has also taken a sort of similar approach and view of the gamestate while you've toptowned him and yet have been pushing Koba all year.
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    Game Thread @ Ara I think your final spoilered paragraph is...

    @ Ara I think your final spoilered paragraph is the heart of it for me re: TL and the whole "slip" reaction

    will get back more into things tomorrow
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    Game Thread Funnily enough, I've had several theories on the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#873)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#872)
    Frog since we've basically never been concurrently active ITT at all, is there anything you wanted to ask me?
    For the most part I've avoided interacting with you or about you. I figure you're close to self-resolving anyway.

    When you were pushing me earlier my tactical decision was to continue playing on and avoid your distractions to my solving. If I played enough, I was positive there would be something that most town players could identify my play with as, 'oh yeah that's town!Frog'.

    But as for direct questions... I guess I would just ask questions here to move along my own state of the game.

    Do you think wolf chat would influence wolves to check-in an post more consistently across the year? I'm trying to come up with a theory on activity based reads, and it's not necessarily 'sort by postcount'.
    Funnily enough, I've had several theories on the possible makeup and different forms that this game's wolfchat would take and how it would affect the unique environment. I've consciously held off from elaborating about it/dumping thoughts here ITT, because frankly, I didn't think it would be extremely sporting and was steering a little too close to angleshooting for my own personal comfort.

    Definitely a fascinating subject to think about, but I think one that's best left to speculate about privately and then see if I was right about in 2027.

    Short answer: It depends on a LOT, but overall, I think yes.
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    Game Thread Frog since we've basically never been...

    Frog since we've basically never been concurrently active ITT at all, is there anything you wanted to ask me?
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    Game Thread aight personally I'm not sure exactly where...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#867)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#866)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#854)
    ... I get the sense that today is probably going to result in a shrug death, regardless of alignment!!!!
    How invested are you in this prediction? Is this something you'd actively like to prevent if possible? Something you'd actively like to see through? Are you somewhere in the middle? Do you think it would benefit the gamestate if this happens?
    It's probably not something which I'd actively like to prevent? Particularly as it'll probably be beneficial for the overall game/possibly gamestate if it happens, main reasoning being that if we don't and are incorrect, the ramifications of that would be very not great for handling next year!!

    I wouldn't say I'd actively like to see it through though and it's not something I'm factoring into my reads, it's more... this feels like a natural result of my/general game reads where I find it quite likely to happen regardless!!

    Just a rather boring observation after putting down a readlist, not anything profound or surprising!!!
    aight

    personally I'm not sure exactly where I'm at w/r/t this question, probably somewhat close to you overall I'd guess but perhaps a smidgen more of "$%#! it, let the chips fall where they may"
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    Game Thread How invested are you in this prediction? Is this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#854)
    ... I get the sense that today is probably going to result in a shrug death, regardless of alignment!!!!
    How invested are you in this prediction? Is this something you'd actively like to prevent if possible? Something you'd actively like to see through? Are you somewhere in the middle? Do you think it would benefit the gamestate if this happens?
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    Game Thread Yeah I guess, I'm aware that there are definitely...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#863)
    So it turns out I actually share half a brain with myself from 6 months (it's already been half a year?!) ago, who would've guessed?

    Since you're here though, I'll attempt to elaborate: I suppose maybe it's something which I would expect moreso from a town!Sheep, which I feel like is more plausible from either a mafia!GH or town!GH in a vacuum, if that makes sense?

    Also I just... don't look at something and go yeah, everyone who takes this particular line of thinking is towny, evaluating everyone separately!!!!
    Yeah I guess, I'm aware that there are definitely outside factors to this sort of stuff, but it really seemed like this was as close to an "in a vacuum" scenario as there's possible to be, which is what made me take notice of it in the first place. I still don't think there's as much context to it as you're implying, especially since it was just gut reactions on your readback, but yeah.

    This isn't really the sort of thing where either of us can convince the other, I'm just more stating my concern about it and you're stating your own side, so really the only further point in this argument is how long we can drag it out until other people start calling us "not w/w" from it.
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    Game Thread Right, but it was just off one singular take. ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#859)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#856)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#850)
    Also good to see you back GH!! Didn't read most of your takes as not there yet, but why do you think us agreeing on takes should just... result in me calling you town? You acknowledged that your read touched on my read of you often, but the focus is sort of weird, in a not alignment-indicative way!!
    My issue that there seems to be a discrepancy in the way you treat people with very similar reactions/takes. Sheep and I were pretty closely aligned on Frog's early posting and the way we responded to it; yet you've toptowned him and pretty much never wavered on that point while holding me at arm's length for most of the game.

    Obviously sheep and I have diverged since then, but in the beginning, you were very off in the way you read our similar behavior for reasons that I don't see you put anywhere.
    -shrug-

    Reading you in different ways, not really sure how much there is to elaborate on that with!!!!
    Right, but it was just off one singular take.

    It wasn't like an expansive body of work thing.

    You toptowned sheep for making this post:

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#32)
    frog ignoramus wolves for feeling a need to be around doing things

    back in 6 months to explain why this is wolfy coherently

    back in 2 years to solve the rest of the game
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#253)
    Sheep top town for P#32; concisely a big part of what I was thinking about Frog, but also yes that minorly applies to ignoramus!!!!!!
    And yet, in my eyes, after I made what was a very similar post with a very similar scope, you had a vastly different reaction:

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#108)
    Ok so this post from Frog:

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#60)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#55)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#48)
    +^
    Also, talking in accents when you're putting on a show / lying is a thing, maybe, probably if you squint hard enough it makes sense.

    I say "howdy" as my first posts in a lot of games. Just as an FYI.
    Tell me Wes, when you look at me, what do you see? Some Solo Hero? Some James McClown? Well I am, I am those things. But do you take me for a total fool? Hmmm??

    You, sir, are a liar liar with pants on fire.

    Taking a winter dip into your opening posts over the last year or so for normal games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#4)
    Okay, one case of the 'Howdy', but you were Mafia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#167)
    Man I'm sort of upset last game got reranded. I was claiming odd vigi with the first letter of each of my posts and wanted to see if I could draw the nk. Now I'm the even vigi so it doesn't even make sense to try and draw the nk now
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#113)
    Hallo o/
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#41)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sett (#40)
    Tom Nook should be in Smash Brothers tbh.
    But we already have Isabelle, the perfect AC character.
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#4)
    First
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#12)
    My neighbor says you two talking about neighbor stuff is boring.
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#3021)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#2553)
    Welcome to the Non-Voter Union

    @JSmith27 (3), @Luco (19), @Wesmaster160 (0), @Transcend (0), @The Nothing (0), @tchaz (10), @Spartan057 (0), @SilverKeith (0), @Secondhand Revenant (19), @Riki (0), @Mill Crab (0), @Little Endian (0), @Angrypotato (89), @Limestone (0), @LKJ (0), @Frog (3), @dLGN (0), @confirmed troll (13), @carolinacoder (1), @Bunnelby (23), @beeboy (0), @Apoc (4), @yogsloth (4)

    We represent over a third of the game; that's not good.

    Just off pure statistics, there's likely to be at least 5 wolves in this group, but that's okay, because there's also likely to be at least 15 villagers in here too!

    While everyone else started early, most of us here started late or haven't even started at all.

    AGAIN, that's okay, we're going to do something important here

    I will exclusively solve for alignments of people in here today, and I request that each of you attempts to solve my alignment please

    Let's continue to pester each other in order to solve a third of the game today!


    Write me down as one of the villagers
    No howdy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#166)
    Ayo. On break for a bit, anyone found a wolf yet?
    No howdy.

    In conclusion, lol 😆 😂 🤣

    I dunno, it's still a random-ish vote but now I don't hate it.

    Do you actually say howdy to open games now? I'm assuming you probably don't lie about something silly like that, unless?? I have no idea why you'd like about that tbh. I'm stumped.


    I didn't hate it quite as much on reread as I did when he first posted it (yes I've been following along "live"), but I still think it's a bad post from Frog. I get that "it's Frog" is the go-to defense here but there's certain $%#! that you can meta out and even be nittery about it (ladd is very good at this sort of thing). Somebody using "howdy" in an entry post and it being alignment-indicative is not one of those things, and dredging up a bunch of examples, regardless of the ultimate conclusion, isn't villagery - it's busywork designed to look villagery, and I think Frog knows this.

    ##Vote Frog
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#254)
    I don't really like how much I'm mindmelding with GeneralHankerchief's P#108, but I suppose that's a thing!!!!

    [snip]

    Other GeneralHankerchief thoughts are a lot of words and seem solid I guess, don't have much else to say there; they seem initially mildly towny, I suppose! Somewhat liking GH trying to solicit thoughts from Amy, feeling like the way town!GH approaches/considers the thread as a whole in solving things and stuff!! I feel like GH is trying to pocket me with the Amy take in P#135 as I'm pretty sure he's referring to what I was thinking; it might be working though, even if I don't necessarily agree entirely!!!!!
    I just think that a more natural reaction would be to more closely group your read on myself and sheep given the above similarities is all, and I'm a bit skeptical about this.

    That said, you having the exact same discrepancy upon your October catch-up is... something... and is giving me pause on really slamming this home, so now my overall tone is one of "confusion" than "suspicion".
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    Game Thread My issue that there seems to be a discrepancy in...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#850)
    Also good to see you back GH!! Didn't read most of your takes as not there yet, but why do you think us agreeing on takes should just... result in me calling you town? You acknowledged that your read touched on my read of you often, but the focus is sort of weird, in a not alignment-indicative way!!
    My issue that there seems to be a discrepancy in the way you treat people with very similar reactions/takes. Sheep and I were pretty closely aligned on Frog's early posting and the way we responded to it; yet you've toptowned him and pretty much never wavered on that point while holding me at arm's length for most of the game.

    Obviously sheep and I have diverged since then, but in the beginning, you were very off in the way you read our similar behavior for reasons that I don't see you put anywhere.
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    Game Thread I always forget one. Let's drop Michelle in with...

    I always forget one. Let's drop Michelle in with Amy and Cuth.
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    Game Thread Reworking the framework of my readslist a bit,...

    Reworking the framework of my readslist a bit, now that I've fully read everyone.

    Not ordered within tiers.

    Not today, not tomorrow:
    Shad
    Wesmaster160
    Visorslash
    Frog

    Not today, tomorrow only in case of emergency (aka the paranoia tier):
    DkKoba

    Not today, maybe tomorrow (but probably not):
    Garden Gnome
    Marshal
    sheepsaysmeep

    ---

    Marking incomplete:
    Ampaharos
    Cuthalion

    Marking incomplete but side-eying:
    Arapocalypse

    What:
    WerewolfHunter

    ---

    Lightly wolfy:
    ignoramus
    lendunistus

    Moderately wolfy:
    Trustworthy Liberal



    Do not look to this list for any sort of guidance in 2024 or whatever.
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    Game Thread Arapocalypse: There's definitely been an...

    Arapocalypse:

    There's definitely been an undercurrent of "Ara's probably a wolf?" that I've detected so I want to be careful with this one. It's also been ages since I've played with her and I've never especially been a good Ara reader to begin with, so we'll see where this goes. I myself had vague ~bad feels~ about her posts before going into this iso; we'll see if those hold up.

    I want to highlight separate passages from Ara's catchup walls from April:

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#253)
    Nothing much overly notable about people popping in briefly to hype until Frog posts!!! To clarify, when I said 500 posts per day I meant per Day Phase, though you perhaps will have gathered that by now!!!!! My initial thoughts here are that Frog responding to literally every post in the game when basically not much has been posted is not a good look for him, feels like him posting words just to post which is a bit of a mafia!Frog thing!!! On second thought, I could see town!Frog hyped from New Year's celebrations and just wanting to play mafia? I just also think that he would be more considering of this being a year-long game and not necessarily want to do that, with length in mind... overall think it's very minorly not a great look!!

    That being said, I'm not entirely sure how to feel about the next two posts directly after being Frog votes, even if at least one seems to be not serious!!

    Sheep top town for P#32; concisely a big part of what I was thinking about Frog, but also yes that minorly applies to ignoramus!!!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#254)
    I don't really like how much I'm mindmelding with GeneralHankerchief's P#108, but I suppose that's a thing!!!!

    Sheep saying that Wes/Frog are w/w is spicy and I sort of like it actually; don't feel confident about that, but I do feel like practically every time I've read a Sheep post in this thread it's been straight up just yeah, this dude's town!!!
    This is a pretty stark difference in Ara's reaction to two people that have had very similar early takes on Frog. Sheep and I both hated Frog's early posts for going too hard; Ara did as well. Yet she immediately drops a "top town" read on Sheep and cruises towards coring him. Meanwhile, she holds me at arm's length and expresses discontent with the fact that she and I are mindmelding on this one point so much. Why the difference? Why not just say something along the lines of "cool, GH sees it too, this could be the start of something"?

    It's not like she's (theoretically) holding me to a higher standard; her top towning of Sheep came after one post of his; similarly, the comment I mentioned about me also seemed to be a single-post reaction. Ara's walls, to me, didn't come from viewing the whole body of work, rather they semeed to be more of an in-the-moment timewarp. So I don't really think any "well, GH is a different sort of wolf" etc take really applies here.

    So what does account for the difference then?

    ---

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#261)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#259)
    Ok, now that Ara's fully caught up, I'll just talk to her about Ignoramus for a bit since I was one of the people that was ok with that slot:

    It's mostly a tonal thing. Ignoramus was around a good bit early on but didn't seem awkward or forced or anything while present. Nothing more than that, really, and there were people around at that same time who were worse (Frog, for example).

    (think Ara's posts themselves have been alright. Bit disappointed about her shelving her paranoia on me in her actual readslist to put me near top town, I probably would have towncored her if she fought against the general tide of "GH v" and at least put me down one category below, but her takes seem reasonable enough and she's agreeing with me anyway! There's a chance I'm wrong about her, but considering how we have a good number of reads in common, this probably means I'm wrong about a good portion of the gamestate and I don't really feel like doing a hard reset essentially a third of the way through D1 lol)
    Okay cool, thanks for answering; I'll reread their posts in a few days or so probably!!

    Oh you have no idea of exactly how much paranoia I have on you right now; just because I'm shelving it right now doesn't mean it doesn't exist, quite the opposite!!!! Also, you overexaggerate how high you actually are on my readlist; you're one of the least fleshed-out reads I have in that tier, even if that doesn't mean that much at the moment!!!!! I just really don't feel like dealing with it right now, and am very much inclined to put it off for at least another few months or so... because I can!!!

    Unrelated, altering my intended plans because I have no idea why I thought getting into this game while getting champs stuff going at the same time was a good idea... I'll be revisiting reads/heavier thoughts and stuff later this week, but will probably check in once a day or so, if anyone wants to chat about stuff!!


    I really am not trying to make this iso so self-focused, but her GH takes really just keep jumping out at me. On a similar point to the above section, here's Ara once again commenting on her paranoia of me and hesitancy to put me higher... but why? What's the source? What had I done to a certain point to make her so paranoid? As evidenced in the above quotes, we agreed on quite a lot back in April.

    Like, I'm aware she said that I was one of her least fleshed-out reads at the time, but on the very surface level (agreement about Frog, early "Koba v" feels, other reads) we were very much in lockstep. Again, on a very surface level, even if I wasn't super fleshed out, I feel like said paranoia of me would not be an actual reaction.

    ---

    The Wes thing:

    The genesis is that Wes takes umbrage to an exact read of Ara's on him and feels like she's honing in on a single post of his and not taking into account his full body of work. A somewhat nittery and circular fight ensues:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#321)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#287)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#265)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#254)
    Page 2 thoughts (yes this is still 100ppp):

    Marshal's P#103 is a thought which I like and was similar to what I was thinking, except I went straight past it to TWTBAW!!!!! It's quite possible that I'm overthinking it though? I simply feel like it's fairly blatantly pockety-feeling in a way where mafia might feel self-conscious about it and try to do it in a more subtle manner!! If anyone else has thoughts on that actually, it would be appreciated!!!

    I don't really like how much I'm mindmelding with GeneralHankerchief's P#108, but I suppose that's a thing!!!!

    Sheep saying that Wes/Frog are w/w is spicy and I sort of like it actually; don't feel confident about that, but I do feel like practically every time I've read a Sheep post in this thread it's been straight up just yeah, this dude's town!!!

    The Ampharos pop-in at P#118 is one which I initially want to like? Elaboration on Frog was cool, GH stuff somewhat less so (particularly the last ending bit); guess other concerns are that it feels a bit consensus-y? To be fair though, there's not much to go off of at the moment, so hold that thought!!!

    On another note, I'm not really seeing why people are calling Ignoramus town, which hasn't been discussed much yet; anyone want to elaborate on that please?

    Genshin impact is fun, but definitely not a better game than mafia; there is no resin in mafia!!!!!

    Other GeneralHankerchief thoughts are a lot of words and seem solid I guess, don't have much else to say there; they seem initially mildly towny, I suppose! Somewhat liking GH trying to solicit thoughts from Amy, feeling like the way town!GH approaches/considers the thread as a whole in solving things and stuff!! I feel like GH is trying to pocket me with the Amy take in P#135 as I'm pretty sure he's referring to what I was thinking; it might be working though, even if I don't necessarily agree entirely!!!!!

    Wesmaster's P#137 has probably one of the most chilled takes in the thread, don't feel great about it!!!

    DkKoba's pop-in later feels overall fairly obvious overconfident town-type in general; nothing particularly specific about it, simply feels like a member of the town hyped to get back in and putting thoughts all over the place!! Marshal is towny and so is their cat; thinking Marshal/DkKoba are both just very v/v so please stop fighting thanks!! DkKoba more than Marshal though, but in general the interaction simply feels v/v!!!

    I see that my town!DkKoba take is actually pretty spicy, which I was not expecting; that'll be fun to engage with people on!! Anyways, want to link some mafia games then DkKoba, if you haven't already? After all it's not like I have anything better to do for the next few months like reading fourteen games or something!!


    -"one of the most chilled takes in the thread"
    -only person to bring up scummy pings from Marshall, and one of the only to be getting scummy pings from Igno

    No offense, but that doesn't seem like a real thought, especially when you yourself are asking why people are townreading Igno and that it hasn't been discussed.
    So I've gotten the receipts and pulled out the post in question which I was referencing:
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#137)
    Looks like the game is sorta getting going now.

    It's been said multiple times at this point, but Frog and DkKoba so far look the worst. Not said though is that I think it's the lack of consistency of play that makes it as scummy as it is. If Frog had followed up after my response, I think that would look a lot better for them, instead of saying nothing, especially since as noted, my response was fairly weak. DkKoba talks about want to see the thread more active when they check in tomorrow, and now they're no where to be seen.

    GH on the other hand following up their entrance of actually making game reads made another post today following up on some of the interactions he had looks really good, especially doing it so quick in a game this long imo.

    In a normal game, I'd say there's a 100% chance that there's a wolf in the group of people agreeing with GH's read on Frog with how everyone jumped on to it. With this game, I'm not so sure it's necessarily that likely. But, if there was a wolf in there, I'd pick Marshall first. They've posted multiple times since Frog's howdy argument and only now takes a stance on it. That said I do like their post against DkKoba and their post about dying n1 if DkKoba flips wolf. So not a full wolf read there, but they'd be 3rd on my scummy reads after Frog and DkKoba.
    So you've actually somewhat outlined it in the post yourself: essentially, the re-iterating of the suspicion on DkKoba/Frog which had already been somewhat-extensively elaborated upon by multiple others previously, but in a way which feels like it more along the lines of posting to post the take!!!!

    The Marshal take was one which I did not think was an actual Suspicion which you had, from the wording you had in the bolded, where you had expressed that it was basically only if there was mafia agreeing with GH's Frog read, and you'd also expressed liking some of their stuff? So... how much of that is an actual suspicion, for you?

    Also, pretty sure you didn't mention ignoramus in this post at all, which... ?
    The comment there on Marshall is a light scumread, which should have been evident from some of my other posts. And you're right, the Igno read wasn't in that one post, it was in the very next one. Both of these are the problem I have with how you seem to be reading me. Right now, it looks like you picked that one post of mine, and decided to call it scum, and haven't taken in any of my other posts, not even the one right after it apparently.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#330)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#321)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#287)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#265)

    -"one of the most chilled takes in the thread"
    -only person to bring up scummy pings from Marshall, and one of the only to be getting scummy pings from Igno

    No offense, but that doesn't seem like a real thought, especially when you yourself are asking why people are townreading Igno and that it hasn't been discussed.
    So I've gotten the receipts and pulled out the post in question which I was referencing:
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#137)
    Looks like the game is sorta getting going now.

    It's been said multiple times at this point, but Frog and DkKoba so far look the worst. Not said though is that I think it's the lack of consistency of play that makes it as scummy as it is. If Frog had followed up after my response, I think that would look a lot better for them, instead of saying nothing, especially since as noted, my response was fairly weak. DkKoba talks about want to see the thread more active when they check in tomorrow, and now they're no where to be seen.

    GH on the other hand following up their entrance of actually making game reads made another post today following up on some of the interactions he had looks really good, especially doing it so quick in a game this long imo.

    In a normal game, I'd say there's a 100% chance that there's a wolf in the group of people agreeing with GH's read on Frog with how everyone jumped on to it. With this game, I'm not so sure it's necessarily that likely. But, if there was a wolf in there, I'd pick Marshall first. They've posted multiple times since Frog's howdy argument and only now takes a stance on it. That said I do like their post against DkKoba and their post about dying n1 if DkKoba flips wolf. So not a full wolf read there, but they'd be 3rd on my scummy reads after Frog and DkKoba.
    So you've actually somewhat outlined it in the post yourself: essentially, the re-iterating of the suspicion on DkKoba/Frog which had already been somewhat-extensively elaborated upon by multiple others previously, but in a way which feels like it more along the lines of posting to post the take!!!!

    The Marshal take was one which I did not think was an actual Suspicion which you had, from the wording you had in the bolded, where you had expressed that it was basically only if there was mafia agreeing with GH's Frog read, and you'd also expressed liking some of their stuff? So... how much of that is an actual suspicion, for you?

    Also, pretty sure you didn't mention ignoramus in this post at all, which... ?


    The comment there on Marshall is a light scumread, which should have been evident from some of my other posts. And you're right, the Igno read wasn't in that one post, it was in the very next one. Both of these are the problem I have with how you seem to be reading me. Right now, it looks like you picked that one post of mine, and decided to call it scum, and haven't taken in any of my other posts, not even the one right after it apparently.
    To which other posts are you referring?

    I feel like you're missing my point, which is that that was the initial post where you put down several actual thoughts versus what seemed like passing/light thoughts previously; that in and of itself is what I find concerning, when [see the above[!!!!!

    Yes, I've read the following posts you've made for which I don't feel strongly about either way in particular, hence not having mentioned them!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#335)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#330)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#321)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#287)
    So I've gotten the receipts and pulled out the post in question which I was referencing:
    Looks like the game is sorta getting going now.

    It's been said multiple times at this point, but Frog and DkKoba so far look the worst. Not said though is that I think it's the lack of consistency of play that makes it as scummy as it is. If Frog had followed up after my response, I think that would look a lot better for them, instead of saying nothing, especially since as noted, my response was fairly weak. DkKoba talks about want to see the thread more active when they check in tomorrow, and now they're no where to be seen.

    GH on the other hand following up their entrance of actually making game reads made another post today following up on some of the interactions he had looks really good, especially doing it so quick in a game this long imo.

    In a normal game, I'd say there's a 100% chance that there's a wolf in the group of people agreeing with GH's read on Frog with how everyone jumped on to it. With this game, I'm not so sure it's necessarily that likely. But, if there was a wolf in there, I'd pick Marshall first. They've posted multiple times since Frog's howdy argument and only now takes a stance on it. That said I do like their post against DkKoba and their post about dying n1 if DkKoba flips wolf. So not a full wolf read there, but they'd be 3rd on my scummy reads after Frog and DkKoba.
    So you've actually somewhat outlined it in the post yourself: essentially, the re-iterating of the suspicion on DkKoba/Frog which had already been somewhat-extensively elaborated upon by multiple others previously, but in a way which feels like it more along the lines of posting to post the take!!!!

    The Marshal take was one which I did not think was an actual Suspicion which you had, from the wording you had in the bolded, where you had expressed that it was basically only if there was mafia agreeing with GH's Frog read, and you'd also expressed liking some of their stuff? So... how much of that is an actual suspicion, for you?

    Also, pretty sure you didn't mention ignoramus in this post at all, which... ?


    The comment there on Marshall is a light scumread, which should have been evident from some of my other posts. And you're right, the Igno read wasn't in that one post, it was in the very next one. Both of these are the problem I have with how you seem to be reading me. Right now, it looks like you picked that one post of mine, and decided to call it scum, and haven't taken in any of my other posts, not even the one right after it apparently.
    To which other posts are you referring?

    I feel like you're missing my point, which is that that was the initial post where you put down several actual thoughts versus what seemed like passing/light thoughts previously; that in and of itself is what I find concerning, when [see the above[!!!!!

    Yes, I've read the following posts you've made for which I don't feel strongly about either way in particular, hence not having mentioned them!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#148)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#146)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#137)
    Looks like the game is sorta getting going now.

    It's been said multiple times at this point, but Frog and DkKoba so far look the worst. Not said though is that I think it's the lack of consistency of play that makes it as scummy as it is. If Frog had followed up after my response, I think that would look a lot better for them, instead of saying nothing, especially since as noted, my response was fairly weak. DkKoba talks about want to see the thread more active when they check in tomorrow, and now they're no where to be seen.

    GH on the other hand following up their entrance of actually making game reads made another post today following up on some of the interactions he had looks really good, especially doing it so quick in a game this long imo.

    In a normal game, I'd say there's a 100% chance that there's a wolf in the group of people agreeing with GH's read on Frog with how everyone jumped on to it. With this game, I'm not so sure it's necessarily that likely. But, if there was a wolf in there, I'd pick Marshall first. They've posted multiple times since Frog's howdy argument and only now takes a stance on it. That said I do like their post against DkKoba and their post about dying n1 if DkKoba flips wolf. So not a full wolf read there, but they'd be 3rd on my scummy reads after Frog and DkKoba.
    this is hedgy scum kind of reads while shading me for NAI stuff.

    ##Vote Wesmaster160<<<<<<< wagon
    >Makes multiple posts calling out Marshall's posts.
    >Votes the only other person saying they're suspicious of them.
    Here's the post.

    And I don't believe I'm missing the point. I do get that your post specifically called out that one post of mine. But your only other mention of me was on your final reads list saying "Takes have been very uninspiring, doesn't overly feel like he's thinking about the game in an actual solving manner!!". Which feels like your not taking into account the Marshall read or the Igno read, which I even later talked about with DkKoba and GG. The Igno one is my biggest ? on your evaluation of me. What do you think about what I've posted about Igno?
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#342)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#335)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#330)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#321)

    The comment there on Marshall is a light scumread, which should have been evident from some of my other posts. And you're right, the Igno read wasn't in that one post, it was in the very next one. Both of these are the problem I have with how you seem to be reading me. Right now, it looks like you picked that one post of mine, and decided to call it scum, and haven't taken in any of my other posts, not even the one right after it apparently.
    To which other posts are you referring?

    I feel like you're missing my point, which is that that was the initial post where you put down several actual thoughts versus what seemed like passing/light thoughts previously; that in and of itself is what I find concerning, when [see the above[!!!!!

    Yes, I've read the following posts you've made for which I don't feel strongly about either way in particular, hence not having mentioned them!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#148)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#146)
    this is hedgy scum kind of reads while shading me for NAI stuff.

    ##Vote Wesmaster160<<<<<<< wagon
    >Makes multiple posts calling out Marshall's posts.
    >Votes the only other person saying they're suspicious of them.

    Here's the post.

    And I don't believe I'm missing the point. I do get that your post specifically called out that one post of mine. But your only other mention of me was on your final reads list saying "Takes have been very uninspiring, doesn't overly feel like he's thinking about the game in an actual solving manner!!". Which feels like your not taking into account the Marshall read or the Igno read, which I even later talked about with DkKoba and GG. The Igno one is my biggest ? on your evaluation of me. What do you think about what I've posted about Igno?
    Okay, and...? Is that post not you calling out DkKoba for calling out Marshal's posts, and then voting you instead? Still not seeing where you had actually suspected Marshal!!!

    No I have not been taking in account any Marshal read, given that you've barely spoken about them besides a passing take, from what I've seen!! Similar to ignoramus, where you've mentioned having the pings and questioned townreads that others have had on them, which... is that supposed to be particularly towny? Because if so, I'm not seeing it!!

    I'd appreciate it if anyone else has takes here, however!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#344)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#342)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#335)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#330)
    To which other posts are you referring?

    I feel like you're missing my point, which is that that was the initial post where you put down several actual thoughts versus what seemed like passing/light thoughts previously; that in and of itself is what I find concerning, when [see the above[!!!!!

    Yes, I've read the following posts you've made for which I don't feel strongly about either way in particular, hence not having mentioned them!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#148)
    >Makes multiple posts calling out Marshall's posts.
    >Votes the only other person saying they're suspicious of them.

    Here's the post.

    And I don't believe I'm missing the point. I do get that your post specifically called out that one post of mine. But your only other mention of me was on your final reads list saying "Takes have been very uninspiring, doesn't overly feel like he's thinking about the game in an actual solving manner!!". Which feels like your not taking into account the Marshall read or the Igno read, which I even later talked about with DkKoba and GG. The Igno one is my biggest ? on your evaluation of me. What do you think about what I've posted about Igno?
    Okay, and...? Is that post not you calling out DkKoba for calling out Marshal's posts, and then voting you instead? Still not seeing where you had actually suspected Marshal!!!

    No I have not been taking in account any Marshal read, given that you've barely spoken about them besides a passing take, from what I've seen!! Similar to ignoramus, where you've mentioned having the pings and questioned townreads that others have had on them, which... is that supposed to be particularly towny? Because if so, I'm not seeing it!!

    I'd appreciate it if anyone else has takes here, however!!!!
    ">Votes the only other person saying they're suspicious of them."

    I'm clearly saying I'm suspicious of Marshall there.

    And what I'm saying with the Igno reads like I've said before is that is weird that I've mentioned Igno a good bit going against a town read on them, you mention yourself that you don't see what others are seeing, and then you says my reads are uninspiring and it doesn't look like I'm solving. At least in my mind these seem incongruable with each other, especially when you have no mention of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#349)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#344)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#342)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#335)


    >Makes multiple posts calling out Marshall's posts.
    >Votes the only other person saying they're suspicious of them.

    Here's the post.

    And I don't believe I'm missing the point. I do get that your post specifically called out that one post of mine. But your only other mention of me was on your final reads list saying "Takes have been very uninspiring, doesn't overly feel like he's thinking about the game in an actual solving manner!!". Which feels like your not taking into account the Marshall read or the Igno read, which I even later talked about with DkKoba and GG. The Igno one is my biggest ? on your evaluation of me. What do you think about what I've posted about Igno?
    Okay, and...? Is that post not you calling out DkKoba for calling out Marshal's posts, and then voting you instead? Still not seeing where you had actually suspected Marshal!!!

    No I have not been taking in account any Marshal read, given that you've barely spoken about them besides a passing take, from what I've seen!! Similar to ignoramus, where you've mentioned having the pings and questioned townreads that others have had on them, which... is that supposed to be particularly towny? Because if so, I'm not seeing it!!

    I'd appreciate it if anyone else has takes here, however!!!!
    ">Votes the only other person saying they're suspicious of them."

    I'm clearly saying I'm suspicious of Marshall there.

    And what I'm saying with the Igno reads like I've said before is that is weird that I've mentioned Igno a good bit going against a town read on them, you mention yourself that you don't see what others are seeing, and then you says my reads are uninspiring and it doesn't look like I'm solving. At least in my mind these seem incongruable with each other, especially when you have no mention of it.
    You've mentioned the suspicion, but what about Marshal/Ignoramus are you actually suspicious about, unless it's just the brief agreeing with GH (while also suspecting Frog) and nothing else for ignoramus? Are you actually interested in pushing those people or explaining/discussing those reads, or are you just putting the "spicy" takes out there to make it look like you're thinking, because it feels more like the latter!!!

    Not really feeling like I'm getting anywhere with this; if you want to talk about why you actually suspect Marshal/other stuff, go for it!!!

    Actually leaving now, back later this weekend!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#350)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#349)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#344)
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    Okay, and...? Is that post not you calling out DkKoba for calling out Marshal's posts, and then voting you instead? Still not seeing where you had actually suspected Marshal!!!

    No I have not been taking in account any Marshal read, given that you've barely spoken about them besides a passing take, from what I've seen!! Similar to ignoramus, where you've mentioned having the pings and questioned townreads that others have had on them, which... is that supposed to be particularly towny? Because if so, I'm not seeing it!!

    I'd appreciate it if anyone else has takes here, however!!!!
    ">Votes the only other person saying they're suspicious of them."

    I'm clearly saying I'm suspicious of Marshall there.

    And what I'm saying with the Igno reads like I've said before is that is weird that I've mentioned Igno a good bit going against a town read on them, you mention yourself that you don't see what others are seeing, and then you says my reads are uninspiring and it doesn't look like I'm solving. At least in my mind these seem incongruable with each other, especially when you have no mention of it.
    You've mentioned the suspicion, but what about Marshal/Ignoramus are you actually suspicious about, unless it's just the brief agreeing with GH (while also suspecting Frog) and nothing else for ignoramus? Are you actually interested in pushing those people or explaining/discussing those reads, or are you just putting the "spicy" takes out there to make it look like you're thinking, because it feels more like the latter!!!

    Not really feeling like I'm getting anywhere with this; if you want to talk about why you actually suspect Marshal/other stuff, go for it!!!

    Actually leaving now, back later this weekend!!!!
    I've said why I have suspicion on Marshall, you even bolded it. They had posted multiple times after Frog posted their Howdy case on me, but only made any kind of take on it once GH came out calling it scummy. I've also stated that I find it scummy from Igno that they have as many posts as they do with such little actual game content.

    Like idk what you're reading of my posts? The more this is going on the more disingenuous this seems, and seems like you just saw a post from me you could throw some shade on.

    Can anybody 3rd party this and give their opinion here?
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#351)

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#138)
    Light light scummy pings from Igno as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#172)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#168)
    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#167)
    igno koba not w/w
    let me raise you a better one: its t/t
    why do you think Igno is town?
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#185)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#176)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#172)
    why do you think Igno is town?
    different vibes from when I saw them as scum in guillo's tactics.
    Seems hella early for vibe reads especially with they've posted next to nothing about that actual game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#206)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#203)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#202)
    Cool? That's chat mafia, this is a super long game. You gotta realize that's gonna be different right? Hell even different from a 12/12 game.
    you dont need to lecture me? Ive been playing forum mafia for the past year with most games having 7-14 day deadlines per day.

    Id like to not have my skill misrepped.

    Again, waiting on literally anyone to actually ask me for proof instead of misrepping me.
    Okay, but it's crazy to call Igno town at this point. Like you can maybe say you like the tone, but calling them town is taking it way too far.

    Also the more you say people just need to ask you to show proof, the less likely they probably are going to be to actually ask you for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#226)
    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#224)
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    Yeye, I've said them in my earlier posts.
    Can you tell me what you think of igno's weird self vote?
    Self vote is whatever. Their ratio of statements made about the game to unique thread check ins being the lowest of anyone is sorta scummy tho.


    And you still haven't responded about my posts about Igno. I'm not trying to say me having some spicy read makes me town like you're insinuating. I'm saying that specifically to you who said that you don't see the Igno town read and want people to elaborate on that. I don't see how the same you who has that thought sees my above posts about Igno (making up like 20% of my posts at the time) and says I'm not trying to solve. It feels much more like your whole read on me is that singular post.


    This entire argument leaves me empty inside. I'm going to drop a very obvious "Wes/Ara not w/w" read, just because I feel like an argument like this, that's this circular and this trifling, this early in the game, is not something that happens between wolfbros in this environment. They both have their own interpretations of what happened, stake out their positions, and then talk each other out.

    I do think Wes comes off a bit better for it, but that's more on the back of Wes's good posting in it and is not a judgement of Ara's posts herself. Wes's postscript to it here is pretty damn villagery, and Ara just hasn't really risen to that standard, from what I've seen.

    ---

    No posts from May until a couple days ago.

    Incredibly, in Ara's (second) catchup walls of the game's early posts, she has the exact same reaction discrepancy from mine and Sheep's similar takes on Frog:

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#796)
    Immediately liking Sheep's #32, from town!Sheep stuff!!!!

    [...]

    Why is Frog literally tryharding so much with Wes's opening posts, even meta-diving them...? I vaguely recall seeing these a few months earlier and no, that actually has not gotten any easier to read!!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#797)
    GeneralHankerchief starting out with a confident suspicion on Frog in P#108 feels... somewhat towny? Not a read I feel overly great about, particularly as his #109 feels a touch meh; shelving the read for a bit!!!
    What does this mean? I haven't the slightest idea! It probably speaks well to consistency of thought though; if Ara's a wolf and I'm dinging her for her different reactions on sheep/me not being a natural thought, there'd probably be more of a chance of just having different reactions the second time around, months later.

    At least she comes to hate her Wes push.

    ---

    Verdict: Some concerns, many of them partially mitigated by her most recent catchup. Please get current.
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    Game Thread I apologize in advance to future readers of this...

    I apologize in advance to future readers of this exact page for making so many quotes/spoilers and thus making it a hard time in general to go through/load the page in the first place.

    Sadly, you're not out of the woods yet.
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    Game Thread Ampharos: Gonna keep this one short. I have...

    Ampharos:

    Gonna keep this one short. I have less of a problem with her "overly self-aware" early posts now than I did back in March. I'm most interested in her later take on Ara, below (plus a followup set of takes on others):

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#504)
    I've kinda gotten sidetracked clicking through ISOs because reading people arguing back and forth always makes my eyes glaze over; looking at Ara's specifically rn.

    Wanna say that none of her content is particularly alignment indicative for a D1, but the mindset with which she's approaching the thread leans a lot harder towards how I think she'd play this game as town. I think Ara'd find it a lot easier/more entertaining to have a more evenly-dispersed presence as a wolf; don't know if she'd necessarily powerwolf it but I think she'd be interjecting herself a lot more. The fact that she like... set aside a time to sit down and plow through the game is I think a lot more in line with a "alright lemme sit down and figure this $%#! out"-type Ara.

    I don't know if months of streaming has actually made me better at reading her but we're gonna find out!
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#505)
    Yeah OK I went ahead and ISOed myself to figure out why I disliked koba earlier and I think the way their posting has developed has really sort of mitigated that initial read, cause so many of the things they push are "I have no idea wtf you're talking about but I believe that you believe this" type things. The Ara push prolly falls under that, this recent Marshal push probably falls under that.

    that + I think they're super antsy for the game to actually be happening and I think that's >rand v in a vaccum

    so yeah whatever koba can be town and march!amy can be a dweeb


    I know what I said above re: not reading too much into how people are around or not, and this kinda fits. I'm filing it under "noted" right now but it's not really moving the needle much for me on Ara one way or another. Unique circumstances, this game's basically never been anyone's major focus of attention yet (and may not be until EOD? Later? Ever?).

    Verdict: @Ampharos time to buckle down
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    Game Thread forgot this post existed and now I want to punt...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#129)
    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#128)


    Pictured: Anubis and Osiris, the first masons. (25th Century BCE.)
    convenient how gh wound up being the furry
    forgot this post existed and now I want to punt Amy into the sun
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    Game Thread Yeah $%#! it, I'm putting her at rand. 10 minutes...

    Yeah $%#! it, I'm putting her at rand. 10 minutes after I make that post and I already hate that I've villa read it.
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    Game Thread Michelle: Pretty thin iso, good amount of...

    Michelle:

    Pretty thin iso, good amount of one-off check-ins with further promises of activity (which haven't really come).

    Bit snippy at Marshal for her vote on Michelle:

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#587)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#580)
    ##Vote Michelle

    methinks michelle is the random lowposter that is likeliest to flip mafia. lets find out
    ##Vote Marshal

    Overexplained vote iykwim
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#610)
    @Marshal talk to me about my meta
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#619)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#615)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#610)
    @Marshal talk to me about my meta
    Your time is probably much better used making reads than having this discussion.
    Also, this post is superrrr bad to be Michelle's "getting into the game" post, and hasn't posted since.

    ##Vote Michelle
    I am still waiting for Marshal's answer
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#788)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#134)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#131)
    agree on frogs howdy thing being sorta terrible
    i'd 100% do it as wolf cuz like "omg look at all that effort im going to for such a quirky read im an out of the box townie" and it's super useless

    wes's response isnt great either

    DKkoba/wes/frog/+1 lock it in ez
    and for vanity the +1 is michelle who's waiting out d1 until she figures out how to break meta

    ok bye
    I see Marshal tries since march to push me.

    She didn't ask me why I didn't post, she came with the 'explanation' I don't post to break meta. I will explain later what's about this meta thingy.

    Now here are few things to say, and one is about my long no posting time, see in spoiler.
    I didn't post at the day start because I was playing other games, at MU and offsite, and I knew the day is long enough here to not be such a problem if I don't post.
    I had a break during this year, for a noble cause (very personal and important for me) and I ignored the mafia world for a while.
    I had to read as much as I could from the champs games to make an educated guess for who I will vote as jury advances.
    You may say I still played, and that's correct, I am a huge fan of mashes and I played them, also I played the 3/21 game Jaleb hosted, and also I came here for Anni who was a super game.
    During this year I had to answer at a question who gave me a long discussion with my own self, 'why are you playing mafia?' and the answer came very late, while playing a recent game, I play to have the chance to talk with wonderful people who are also playing this game.
    Because I was afraid I am playing to evade from the RL and that would be a problem for me, because I am a responsive adult, and the answer, who I hope is not a trick of my mind to calm my fear, is good enough for me)
    If anyone wants me to give more details here, I will, but I don't think a personal saga is necessary)


    Another thing is, I wish to find who jumped on an inactive and judge their reasons for doing this, because pushing for an inactive is the easiest thing to do and what mafia is doing usually.

    while reading I noticed Dkkoba self voted and I wish to understand the reason of this @DkKoba


    And then finally getting into the game with takes on more than one person + a Gnome iso fairly recently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#621)
    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#620)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#619)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#617)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#615)
    Your time is probably much better used making reads than having this discussion.
    Also, this post is superrrr bad to be Michelle's "getting into the game" post, and hasn't posted since.

    ##Vote Michelle
    I am still waiting for Marshal's answer
    Where are you at on literally anyone else in this game right now?
    i don't have reads for everyone, i want to read the whole thread for this and ISO people separately and I was lazy until now.

    I am pretty good at reading GG and I read her Iso today. I like her tone, her questions and her conclusions. Looks like town. I will not make a case, but i can point on some posts if you want

    Also i read this page, and I still like Frog.
    Dkkoba can go either way, I played with him at Syndicate and he was wolf and everyone itg TR him so i know he can post very well as wolf
    Wes is pushing me and idk what to do with this
    I see you share your thoughts freely and this is a good look, and i would like your reads as well
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#783)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#622)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#621)
    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#620)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#619)
    I am still waiting for Marshal's answer
    Where are you at on literally anyone else in this game right now?
    i don't have reads for everyone, i want to read the whole thread for this and ISO people separately and I was lazy until now.

    I am pretty good at reading GG and I read her Iso today. I like her tone, her questions and her conclusions. Looks like town. I will not make a case, but i can point on some posts if you want

    Also i read this page, and I still like Frog.
    Dkkoba can go either way, I played with him at Syndicate and he was wolf and everyone itg TR him so i know he can post very well as wolf
    Wes is pushing me and idk what to do with this
    I see you share your thoughts freely and this is a good look, and i would like your reads as well
    If you could point out those posts of GG, that'd be awesome.
    Yes, and I had to re-Iso and remember what I saw back then
    - until P#225 the posts are NAI imo, but there she asked Igno "why is your vote still on yourself?" - i see this as a villagery observation, because GG is showing her that this behaviour is interpreted as scummy. You can say there is the possibility of GG being scum and saying this, but in this case i think she would draw an incriminating conclusion in the same post.
    - P#354 the questions she was asking you are constructive and logical, looks for me that she wants to solve
    - P#356 she is doing your Iso and her questions are going further, with curiosity regarding your slot and the way you see others
    - P#357 i like the sentence "
    I am trying to understand your reads"
    - P#359 shows again intention to solve
    - P#363 is an analysis of Marshal and she also made an associative read with Dkkoba
    "Marshal has really focused on DkKoba as scum. Her vote is on DkKoba, and it looks like this isn't RVS but a real scum read. If Marshal is scum, she is never teamed with DkKoba. If DkKoba flips scum, that would clear Marshal. Right now, I am inclined to believe that Marshal is town who had a few scummy posts."
    I don't know if she is right or wrong, but her analysis comes out for me as natural conclusions, made after a thought process, not invented to have posts in the game
    Overall I liker her tone too, she is not stressed, and as hydra partner and playing w/w w/t t/w t/t with her I think I have a good grasp of how GG plays.

    Now I wish your opinion about her, and please explain it @Wesmaster160 - if you already posted it, please link it

    I will be here daily until I catch up, AMA



    Pretty limp overall, but I also don't really think Michelle's... trying to do anything as a wolf, really? I'm not as familiar with her wolfing style as some are, but $%#! it, her Marshal thing seemed a bit pure?

    This is the exact sort of read that's burned me in the past. Someone with more Michelle experience tell me if I'm off base.
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    Game Thread alright, let's see if I can't get the rest of...

    alright, let's see if I can't get the rest of these knocked out today

    Unrelated to the above: One thing I want to make sure I don't do is level myself into making activity (and related) reads too much - i.e. this person would be more/less present as a wolf, etc. Way too many variables at play to make that kind of call here, need to just limit myself to what they've actually put down ITT in order to preserve sanity.

    onward
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    Game Thread Upon reexamination, there's some ambiguity on...

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#822)
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#690)
    I should read up thread but that seems like alot of 14ish pages lol time for some gut skim reads
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#691)
    Skimmed thread and eh only a few thoughts maybe cause i skimm weekly but run out of time heres current thoughts if i was to tier everyone no special colors cause phone

    Confident Town
    Visorslash
    Cuthalion
    Werewolf Hunter

    Town
    Ampharos
    Shad
    Wesmaster
    sheepsaysmeep

    Town Lean
    Frog
    Marshal
    Garden Gnome

    Null
    lenden
    General
    Ignoramus

    Scum Lean
    Ara
    Michelle
    DKkoba
    Also, 17 minutes between these two posts, including the time it took to construct said second post. That's some impressive skimming.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#824)
    Lost in the excess of that extended Frog/Koba/TL brouhaha is that I don't think TL's explanation for the Koba scumread, plus the whole jump on the slip, is very valid or convincing.

    - I don't like how, a mere 2 hours after Frog drops the "slip" post, TL comes in and posts content for the first time in the entire game and ends up very lazily pouncing on the immediately above accusation of a slip.
    - I don't like how TL says they're going to powerskim 14 pages (at 50ppp, that'd be 650+ posts) after making the above post and comes back in 17 minutes and drops a readslist.
    - I think said readslist retroactively paints Koba as TL's top scumread for reasons of "trying too hard".

    Now, I could level myself out of this read by saying that I'm not sure a wolf that's been kind of out of the picture to this point would decide to enter by taking on the most active player in the game, but I could also level myself back into the read by saying perhaps w!TL felt forced to do this because they realized that the "slip" thing was probably nothing and needed some additional backing to the scumread. So I'm just not going to go into that at all.

    ##Vote Trustworthy Liberal

    Talked enough about this sequence, I'm gonna try to zoom back out now.


    Upon reexamination, there's some ambiguity on whether TL actually said they were going to skim everything in the 17 minutes between posts, so I can't super ding them for that after all.

    That said, I'm still keeping my vote where it is, just because I really did not like their "SLIP????" reaction.
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    Game Thread Villa circle (hopefully only one in here at most)...

    Villa circle (hopefully only one in here at most)
    Shad
    Visor
    Frog (yes, really)
    Wes
    Koba* (some paranoia here but nothing I'd even consider acting on this year)
    Garden Gnome

    Thinly villa
    Marshal
    Sheep

    Rand
    Cuthalion

    ???
    WerewolfHunter

    Thinly wolfy
    ignoramus
    lendunistus

    Wolfy
    Trustworthy Liberal



    TBD
    Arapocalypse (I think she might go in thinly wolfy?)
    Ampharos (possibly in rand?)
    Michelle (no damn idea)


    idk if I'll get to the other three today, plus need to talk about Frog in more detail since I'm probably gonna get asked about my turnaround on him.

    If I don't get to the others today, then I should be around this rough timeframe tomorrow. Don't have a real preference for realtiming vs just solo-posting at this juncture.
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    Game Thread Ignoramus: I vaguely recall me dropping a thin...

    Ignoramus:

    I vaguely recall me dropping a thin villa read on Igno back in the early part of the game due to in the moment posting or something along those lines. That's being retracted; there's just more to judge now and certain reasons don't hold up.

    Kind of agree with Frog that I'm not the biggest fan of Igno's most recent efforts:

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#547)
    Reads-list #1 (July 7, 2021; UTC+8)
    Okay I will admit I haven’t been here in so long I think I may have forgotten how to play

    Amy: has Amy played any other longest mafia games before? Because if no, I feel like her coming back after about a month when most people would probably be screwing about is kinda townie

    (to anyone who's played with her a lot before: does she make spurts of effort then dip as town more often or as mafia more often?) p#118’s vibes are pretty good imo, didn’t think/expect Amy to type like this (I thought she’d be more calm? or less rambly) but I think her rambling shows she's actively Thinking About Stuff while typing so I’d say that makes her pretty townie

    P#127 feels different from p#118 so either there’s some w/w going on (I personally don’t think so at the time of writing this but I still need to read more, especially for GH) or Amy wasn’t really Thinking About Stuff while writing this
    Probably means she’s more confident on this set of reads or something

    Her spurt (is that what you call it? English is pain) of posts from p#118-p#129 feels pretty good, I think
    P#155 she didn’t follow up to that but I guess it could be ignored

    Probably projecting here but I think p#503 is townie, reason being forgetting her reason for voting Koba and her saying their posting since her last post was townie feels townie to me
    I tend to forget more often as town because as mafia I got people to rely on if I forget anything
    Her turnaround (is that the correct term?) in p#505 also feels townie like
    It feels natural to me

    There’s another spurt of activity that doesn’t feel as townie as before but still pretty okay

    I’d say she’s town


    GH: all of his posts feel okay (I’ve played with him once as w/w and tbh? I can’t tell the difference someone please help me)

    P#135 feels a teeny bit unaligned
    There’s quite a lot of hedge there that makes me think there’s a chance they’re w/w and the "sorry Amy” is kinda :sus: but given that Amy wasn’t in danger whatsoever there’s also a chance GH is just kinda unsure about this

    Okay I reread it again a few times and this makes me think that if GH flips red, Amy’s most likely next

    P#195 might be veiled TMI for pocketing purposes but no flips yet so idk

    I have no idea about this dude



    Cuth: m
    Town on the basis that he just Doesn’t Care

    I feel like drawing and sleeping again ciao
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#551)
    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#548)
    That Cuth take feels so weird to me contrasted to the effort you put into the other two. How much have you played with him?
    I don't really recall
    Maybe once or twice? I think I was subbed out or killed pretty early on tho so

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#549)
    As to Amy, I think she's posting fine and my gut says villager but I don't know how much of that is there are a lot of people doing nothing that makes everyone actually participating feel decent. Pending a proper reread closer to EoD, there hasn't been a specific moment leaping out to me as > rand v the way I've felt about DK Frog or to a lesser extent GH.To answer your question though, I played in a week long phases game with her once and remember it being fairly clean. At least, her team swept and she wasn't semi-frozen the way I've seen in mashes.
    Fairly clean as in it's not irregular or anything/no random quick posting then leaving?

    For Koba, I just read them town off of vibes
    Frog is a maybe town? I still remember his blatant pocketing attempt he did before (I think it was to me but idk) and I think he wouldn't do it that obviously if mafia/wolf
    Kinda similar to Koba where both of them feel like they believe what they're saying but Koba > Frog

    GH is GH I need a lot of help to solve him (and a lot of help to get over my paranoia too)

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#550)
    @ignoramustry again please sussy baka

    no


    With a broad amount of happenings to comment on since your last check-in of substance, this summary seems pretty narrow-focused. Like, going for associatives in this gamestate, and not even super telling ones, is an easy, easy way to look productive without actually doing anything of note.


    Lightly wolfy, would like to see a kind of overall picture from Ignoramus before EOD.
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    Game Thread sheepsaysmeep: A number of useless...

    sheepsaysmeep:

    A number of useless self-aware-check-in-but-not-doing-anything posts, but at least in the first few months Sheep was active and paying attention to things even if he wasn't super present. His posts made sense in the context of what was going on at the time. This has mostly abated since (northern hemisphere) summer rolled around. There's a thought that sheep could feel less pressured to contribute and help his team out due to a potentially favorable gamestate to wolves, but as there hasn't especially been a runaway wagon all year, I think the far more likely explanation is that sheep is just doing other stuff regardless of alignment.

    Anyway, let's get to his meatiest post:

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#271)
    i think the main sort of thing i was looking for was that i expected, at least in like the first couple pages/months, wolves to be constantly restless questioning whether they were doing enough while villagers would be more likely to feel ok totally sitting back and disappear for half of d1. wasnt meant to be like a serious tell taken into later d1 but then frog became such a blatant instance of the wolf end of this, also to a lesser degree jump, igno, wes, etc

    ara picking out that idea from me as a mindmeld has me very successfully pocketed; me being top town is :? but i like her reads on the whole anyways

    amy also made some village reads withthat line of thought and i want to give some townpoitns for that even though her posts overall were really meh, only other person to have referenced this mindset

    broadly find dkkoba's vibe so far wolfy but they had a couple posts that were v probably villager so v probably villager

    dkkoba had some meta v read on igno for a villagery vibe despite having no content that stood out, i read the wolf game they were referencing and i do think i'd actually agree with the take, ive only seen unrestrained highfluffposting villa ignoramus and reserved wolf ignoramus in my experience with them, but it's an easy meta to break

    wes bothers me as wolfy but idk why

    gh is a villager hot take of the day
    Think this is moderately villagery, mostly for the wording of the first two paragraphs. First one is showing an actual application of thought as to the unique mechanisms of this game, but it's not overly shoved forward like he's trying to impose it on anyone. He's just offering his take and how it relates to his pre-developed thoughts in the context of the game at the time, and that's villagery.

    Second paragraph (about Ara) is just kind of the exact way it's worded: if Sheep was a wolf looking to pocket Ara, he'd probably excise the "me being top town is :?" bit from his paragraph; if he was a wolf looking to shade Ara, he'd probably have the tone of the paragraph be "positive BUT negative" instead of its actual form, which was "negative BUT positive". It's little stuff but it matters to me.



    Overall, let's put sheep on the same tier as Marshal.
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    Game Thread Cuthalion lendunistus WerewolfHunter ...

    Cuthalion
    lendunistus
    WerewolfHunter


    Grouping our three least active players together.

    Kind of interesting in the differences between how each has been treated. Cuth has made the fewest posts, but he's also by far taken the least amount of heat. The difference? He's been outright not around, as compared to lend and WWH, who both occasionally pop in and do nothing. Can't really make any conclusions off it. Maybe look at it in retrospect on how they've been treated by others once we have flips down, MAYBE, but probably not even that tbh. I think if lend or something had made four posts and peaced liked Cuth did, he'd be feeling less heat.

    Anyway. I'd probably put lend as the wolfiest of the three, with Cuth at rand and me being outright unsure of what the $%#! to do with WWH.

    The reason for this is pretty simple: lend is at least pantomiming the fact that he should theoretically be doing stuff:

    Quote Originally Posted by lendunistus (#343)


    glgl
    Quote Originally Posted by lendunistus (#486)
    i thought i could do nothing until november but whatever

    might read soon or something idk
    Quote Originally Posted by lendunistus (#499)
    by soon I meant sometime in the next two weeks
    Quote Originally Posted by lendunistus (#510)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#506)
    honestly

    ##Vote Lendunistus

    think him not playing is wolf indicative
    insert omgus vote
    Quote Originally Posted by lendunistus (#583)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#582)
    @lendunistus so allergic to this game, i know you see the notifs in generating in your inbox
    $%#! you i don't want to play mafia


    Whereas WWH is just toally out in left field and I'm not 100% sure she's fully cognizant that she is playing a mafia game and that doing so entails certain responsibilities:

    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#236)
    well, just checking in again. Honestly, a little surprised with so few posts.

    I can def sense this getting somewhat more serious now
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#570)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#420)
    @WerewolfHunter

    Change up your play please

    @Cuthalion

    Is it time yet?

    @Trustworthy Liberal @Michelle

    I remember none of your stuff

    @lendunistus

    I only remember your bingo thing which was entertaining, but do stuff and things
    I feel like my play is already different each time as it is but no one ever takes notce
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#571)
    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#566)
    Unless one of you want to be blatantly wolfy between now and November or everyone else ramps up I am very likely voting a low poster.

    I don't really know TL and I don't think Cuth would slank for reasons other than forgetting as either alignment, but odds of wolves in Michelle/lend/WWH seems rrrrrreasonably high.
    I would be a lot more active as evil. I just now check in maybe once or twice a month
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#717)
    I literally haven't logged in forever. I had read most of the beginning last time I checked in
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#718)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#712)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#711)
    I'm nearing the point where I'm going to policy eliminate all of these slots, and I don't care if they get replaced or mod peeked town or whatever. I'm just not happy with the level of play. Not playing isn't a strategy. It's not playing.
    I want to weigh in on this. Yes, I haven't checked in too often but that's how I like to do these long games. I'm also back in college in person so I have less time. I feel like not being on as much as everyone else, doesn't mean that I'm not playing.


    Why is lend's approach wolfier? It just is, lol.

    Additionally, I'm more parking this down for the future/in case anyone else wants to indulge, but here is a game from July/August 2020 in which WWH was wolfing for those who think making a meta comparison might be worthwhile.

    @lendunistus, you hosted the above game I just linked - any thoughts there on WWH's behavior compared to here?



    ---

    Conclusion: Not sure what I want to do about any of these three, but if we decide to punt this year, I'd tentatively rather it be lend.
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    Game Thread Marshal: lock w, ez ---

    Marshal:

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#63)
    throwing on some future slank cover in that im not posting during the month of september to make a joke about that one green day song
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#725)
    this exists

    shame im not gonna do anything about it
    lock w, ez

    ---

    Marshal's vibe is openly, gleefully, and repeatedly not caring about this game, making many such posts to reinforce this vibe. Only time it's broken is when she gets grumpy upon being shaded by Koba. I do think there's genuine suspicion towards Michelle, but it's pretty understated. Relevant posts below:

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#80)
    ##Vote Michelle

    im clicking buttons
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#134)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#132)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#131)
    agree on frogs howdy thing being sorta terrible
    i'd 100% do it as wolf cuz like "omg look at all that effort im going to for such a quirky read im an out of the box townie" and it's super useless

    wes's response isnt great either

    DKkoba/wes/frog/+1 lock it in ez
    and for vanity the +1 is michelle who's waiting out d1 until she figures out how to break meta

    ok bye
    [QUOTE=Marshal;5144890]##Vote Michelle

    methinks michelle is the random lowposter that is likeliest to flip mafia. lets find out[/QUOTE


    Michelle, IIRC, has taken umbrage to this last one but Marshal hasn't really addressed it. In any case, this feels like she's low-key got a genuine scumread on her but isn't super comfortable about laying it out on the table yet. Idk, feels like it would have been explored (or, "explored") more if Marshal was wolfing. Maybe.

    Let's go with "thinly villa". Less so than Gnome + the people in my circle.
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    Game Thread Garden Gnome: Don't think I've actually played...

    Garden Gnome:

    Don't think I've actually played with Gnome that often. Maybe in the occasional turbo. I usually ending up randing wolf against her too in those, lol. So no real meta basis here, considering differences in typical game format etc.

    Good amount of prodding others to expound on their takes, but not much follow-up on her own part, at least not initially. Around May, she starts isoing - Frog/Wes (both in contention at the time), and later Marshal. I kinda like her Wes and Frog isos (can't be assed to link them, sorry), they're short but they're not, like, performative or anything, she's simply saying what she's seeing.

    Her Marshal iso is in the below spoiler:

    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#363)
    ISO of Marshal
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#30)
    ##Vote Marshal


    She starts off with this wacky self vote, which looks like over the top RVS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#66)
    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#65)
    Listening to Green Day is pretty wolfy tbh
    the day is as green as my rolecard

    Then Marshal claims town by claiming a color. It comes across as a bit wolfy, which is probably why some players have scumread her. Why insist on your alignment so early in the game? It's kind of an eye rolling moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#80)
    [V]Michelle[/V
    im clicking buttons

    acknowledges no reason for the naked vote.


    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#86)
    either way

    ##Vote Arapocalypse

    is mafia, primarily because she's infinitely less Hype!!!! for this game than you'd expect, and she set a 500 postcap for herself which indicates that she expects activity

    she's wolf who's letting the game stay dead
    let's eliminate her

    This read of Ara and the vote on her looks like Marshal is focused on solving. It has a lot of meta on Ara, which points to a lack of hype!! at the time of posting. I think that that has changed, and that the hype! level has increased.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#106)
    ##Vote DkKoba


    naked vote. Why move the vote off of Ara? Why DkKoba? This naked vote looks scummy, like Marshal was distancing from her teammate but doesn't want Ara voted off the island. It also looks entirely unforced so maybe it's just sheeping onto someone else's scum read? Scum probably wouldn't want to draw that much attention to themselves, but still this naked vote doesn't look towny at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#163)
    I took a cat picture recently... anyone wanna see?


    This is just fluff, but it's a cat. There is definitely something to that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#174)
    how the $%#! is "I don't like being pinged and being told I mindmelded with somebody by them, it feels aggressively pockety and gives me bad vibes" being not fluid or whatever

    i didnt conveniently push bad points, I said 1 point, made a meme about getting towncred, an havent said anything abt your slot

    It seems seriously overblown to say I've been refusing to evaluate or not being fluid or whatever, I gave 1 reason and ur acting like i'm trying to bury you deep in the ground

    Also u never even shaded me before i made that post but I might be misunderstanding that part
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#141)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#103)
    don't really vibe with being pinged and told by a person that I mindmelded with them, feels much less "mindmeld" (especially because I retracted the reason when I had context) and much more "hop in my pocket"
    I was being facetious and trying to push the game forward get outta here with this laziness of "i disagree so ur maf".

    Also dont vibe with this, like, at all.

    It's not the point I was making, It's not that I think that it was wolfy because I disagreed that it was a mindmeld, it was because the post seemed unaturally forced and not done to point out that you melded with my idea but specifically to get me to think I melded with you.

    Tl;Dr: ur wrong, im right, ur mafia, im town, ez

    So she's going after DkKoba with a lot of energy. It seems really reactive and there's a lot of feeling behind this post, which comes across as towny.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#216)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#133)
    if i get spewed v from dkkoba and get n1'd ill be so disappointed I want to live to like day 8 and have it be like "when i joined this I was some hs sophmore but now i'm the president of the united states" or something idfk
    Dkkoba's team now has full permission to factional me tonight because at least I can say 'when I joined this I was some hs sophmore but now im female' so i'm satisfied

    (I have not actually read much of the like 80 dkkoba posts)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#242)
    u better not ping me brah

    Marshal has really focused on DkKoba as scum. Her vote is on DkKoba, and it looks like this isn't RVS but a real scum read. If Marshal is scum, she is never teamed with DkKoba. If DkKoba flips scum, that would clear Marshal. Right now, I am inclined to believe that Marshal is town who had a few scummy posts.


    A bit IIOA-y, especially early on, but improves as time goes by. Every time there's something of Gnome's that I'm a bit skeevy on (not providing much of her own content at first despite asking others for stuff, going narration-heavy in isos instead of whether something's wolfy or not), she basically rectifies my issues with it in short order.

    Fairly consistently around, pops in for a bit to be her usual pleasant self/provide a neutral comment on whatever's happening, wouldn't mind more pushing the game forward a bit from her. Show me an actual scumread beyond pressuring the inactives!

    Aside from that, no major issues.
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    Game Thread Lost in the excess of that extended Frog/Koba/TL...

    Lost in the excess of that extended Frog/Koba/TL brouhaha is that I don't think TL's explanation for the Koba scumread, plus the whole jump on the slip, is very valid or convincing.

    - I don't like how, a mere 2 hours after Frog drops the "slip" post, TL comes in and posts content for the first time in the entire game and ends up very lazily pouncing on the immediately above accusation of a slip.
    - I don't like how TL says they're going to powerskim 14 pages (at 50ppp, that'd be 650+ posts) after making the above post and comes back in 17 minutes and drops a readslist.
    - I think said readslist retroactively paints Koba as TL's top scumread for reasons of "trying too hard".

    Now, I could level myself out of this read by saying that I'm not sure a wolf that's been kind of out of the picture to this point would decide to enter by taking on the most active player in the game, but I could also level myself back into the read by saying perhaps w!TL felt forced to do this because they realized that the "slip" thing was probably nothing and needed some additional backing to the scumread. So I'm just not going to go into that at all.

    ##Vote Trustworthy Liberal

    Talked enough about this sequence, I'm gonna try to zoom back out now.
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    Game Thread This is basically where I'm at with the whole...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#702)
    Eh

    I didn't read the vast majority of the back and forth but and if I'm town is one of those perspective gaffes that's only a slip if you're a wolf.

    As in it's something wolves try to avoid and will internally feel like they slipped if they do it but I've seen plenty of villagers make that kind of statement. It's not an actionable slip when it's a real slip unless the person doing it puts their foot in their mouth when called out on it.

    Which I don't have the time to attentively read this morning.

    You can chuck it in the generic potentially suspicious statement bin sure

    But at first glance I'm more sketched out by how lazily TL jumped on it, kind of regardless of Koba's alignment.
    This is basically where I'm at with the whole situation, except in a lot fewer words.
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    Game Thread Also, 17 minutes between these two posts,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#690)
    I should read up thread but that seems like alot of 14ish pages lol time for some gut skim reads
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#691)
    Skimmed thread and eh only a few thoughts maybe cause i skimm weekly but run out of time heres current thoughts if i was to tier everyone no special colors cause phone

    Confident Town
    Visorslash
    Cuthalion
    Werewolf Hunter

    Town
    Ampharos
    Shad
    Wesmaster
    sheepsaysmeep

    Town Lean
    Frog
    Marshal
    Garden Gnome

    Null
    lenden
    General
    Ignoramus

    Scum Lean
    Ara
    Michelle
    DKkoba
    Also, 17 minutes between these two posts, including the time it took to construct said second post. That's some impressive skimming.
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    Game Thread This is just a bizarre $%#!ing sequence:

    This is just a bizarre $%#!ing sequence:

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#685)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#683)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#681)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#679)
    You're appealing to town to convince them to have a near full town scumread list lol
    Wait I just woke up
    wasn't @ you and was just my conclusion of what was going on there with a scum!wes
    I fully understand you were talking to Wes, and I can even imagine that you may have been speaking from Wes' point of view.

    What I don't understand is how you arrive to the conclusion, from Wes point of view, that Wes sees the majority of players of this group as Town:
    [GH
    Ara
    Ampharos
    Cuthalion
    Trustworthy Liberal]

    I am having trouble following your logic. Can you please, in excruciating detail, step by step, explain what you meant here?
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#686)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#687)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#688)
    @DkKoba

    The longer you don't explain yourself, the more I'm inclined to believe you slipped up as Mafia.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#689)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#688)
    @DkKoba

    The longer you don't explain yourself, the more I'm inclined to believe you slipped up as Mafia.
    Wait theres a slip



    ##Vote DkKoba
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#690)
    I should read up thread but that seems like alot of 14ish pages lol time for some gut skim reads
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#691)
    Skimmed thread and eh only a few thoughts maybe cause i skimm weekly but run out of time heres current thoughts if i was to tier everyone no special colors cause phone

    Confident Town
    Visorslash
    Cuthalion
    Werewolf Hunter

    Town
    Ampharos
    Shad
    Wesmaster
    sheepsaysmeep

    Town Lean
    Frog
    Marshal
    Garden Gnome

    Null
    lenden
    General
    Ignoramus

    Scum Lean
    Ara
    Michelle
    DKkoba


    Frog's asking for Koba to clarify a point that I don't think is a slip, is more just of a misunderstanding. Koba is afk at the time, doesn't respond, Frog continues pressing anyway and starts accusing, and then TL comes in out of nowhere with the above and is like "sniff sniff... SLIP???!?!"

    I don't want to overuse "literally" but like, this is pretty damn "literally out of nowhere", considering it:
    a) was TL's first time posting in two weeks
    b) TL had made six posts in total before the "slip" post
    c) it was the first actual content TL made in the entire game

    ---

    Thought experiment: We've all wolfed in the past. We've probably even wolfed in games that have had slips outed, whether the slips were genuine or not. How have you reacted to slips, real or imagined, as a wolf vs how you've reacted to them as a villager? I'm only speaking personally here in terms of my own playstyle, but there's a pretty big gap in how I react to them, and I like to think it's at least somewhat universal:

    As town: Confusion, try to parse out whether it's real or fake or not, hesitancy until you make a decision
    As a wolf, knowing the slip is real: OH GOD PARTNER IS $%#!ED GET IN ON IT EARLY VOTE VOTE VOTE
    As a wolf, knowing the slip is imagined: Two courses of action here, either try to slam it home and secure the easy town chop, or play the "wise sage" role and act skeptical of it.

    (Note that wolfy "skepticism" has some similarities to villagery "confusion/solving" and the former can even be seen as an attempt to emulate the latter, but there are definitely differences)

    The point of all this is that regardless of whether or not the slip is real (I don't think it's anything tbh) I don't think TL's reaction to it is villagery.
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    Game Thread Off the cuff thoughts off my memories from the...

    Off the cuff thoughts off my memories from the first few months of the game + reading posts generated since May:

    Villa circle (hopefully only one in here at most)
    Shad
    Visor
    Frog (yes, really)
    Wes
    Koba* (some paranoia here but nothing I'd even consider acting on this year)

    This part of the list isn't really as firmed up as I'd like it to be and yeah, hopefully it doesn't have too many leaks. Visor is just more out of wanting than anything else but I'm never going after him on D1 and he knows it, lol. That said, I don't super have much suspicion of him either, so.

    Shad probably top town, his posts feel pure, I kind of like the way he's playing around with the philosophy of the game and having its unique setup factor into his approach to stuff. I've done the same but haven't really put it ITT because I don't want to super dive into it and instead concentrate on actual bread and butter stuff like reads etc, but I've still had the thoughts. I also know that taking this sort of approach is something that wolves can very easily do but I also don't super give a $%#!, Shad's still been villagery and I think his "game format" sort of posts are in the goldilocks zone where he's not really relying on them too much, instead more using them as supplements/just thinking out loud as he tries to parse through $%#!.

    Wes, saw I post I made a few months back where I pointed out my reasons for townreading him then and $%#! it, it still holds.

    Frog. Bit of a turnaround here on my part, probably need to devote a separate post to him down the line, and I'll get on that (today/this week), but tl;dr it's very possible that I just outright misremembered his gameplay style from before this game and my reasons for scumreading him early on just outright aren't valid for exactly him. Also have liked his approach since coming back/which have coincided with me paying less attention here. Like I said, I probably need to do a follow up here. Finally, I think he may be onto something with Ara. Will talk about Ara in a bit.

    Koba. Bit of EM paranoia going on in here just because that community $%#!ing knows how to wolf, but that's all I've got really. Otherwise villagery. Not considering this year, probably not 2022 either, but we'll see.



    I don't think any inclusions in this overall list should be very controversial? Not even exclusions ("X should be here too!"), just the names I have in there. Let me know if you have objections/why.

    More coming.
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    Game Thread Sup. Sorry about going dark there for a while,...

    Sup.

    Sorry about going dark there for a while, needed some time away from the site after how Anni ended.

    Got some free time at work today so I'm gonna read/reread and see where I stand with things.
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    Completed I've been thinking about how to word this post...

    I've been thinking about how to word this post since I was first notified of what was happening on Friday night. I'll spare you all from spending time on my personal feelings towards the matter.

    All I will say is that this game, of this writing, currently has 61,175 posts between the OPs, the game, and postgame. There may be a couple more that pop up between when I start writing this and when this posts. It is the most voluminous mafia game ever played.

    60,646 of those posts were made by people who put their hearts and souls into this game in some fashion: whether from playing, and giving it their all, and enjoying themselves and their interactions with others; whether from hosting, and culminating months of effort and preparation into a single frenzied week in order to deliver the best game we possibly could; whether from programming this site for years on end and allowing Modbot to flawlessly run these sorts of games, which gave everyone more freedom to focus on more creative matters.

    My sincerest hope is that, when looking back at this game, you do not let the 529 posts that do not fall into this category outweigh the 60,646 (and counting) posts that do.
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    Resolved optional setting is probably good here if this...

    optional setting is probably good here

    if this were the case, I would probably keep it on normally but turn it off if any FoLer was playing
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    Sticky: Anni isn't banned from individual nominations, so...

    Anni isn't banned from individual nominations, so I'm going to make two.

    Nominate alexa for Best Town Performance - Single Player (Mash)

    Nominate tonystarkprime for Best Town Performance - Single Player (Mash)

    I'm going to use the same nomination paragraph for each, which is appropriate since alexa's and TSP's fates were pretty heavily linked in this game anyway. I believe this was both of their first mashes ever, and boy, did they jump into the deep end, displaying incredible WIM and co-leading the village throughout Anni, which is double to triple the size of your normal mash. They underwent the full mash experience: watching as the people they trusted died around them, trying to corral the village and keep the shots lists accurate, placing in events, and weathering the emotional ups and downs that endgaming in a mash like this provides. Notably, both continued to co-lead the village in the later stages of the game when mech solving became paramount, despite neither of them being mechanically clear for most of the game (TSP did late on, alexa never did). They trusted each other, they relied on each other, the passed off tree stump status to each other, they never wavered, and they dealt with all the bull$%#! while driving the town relentlessly onward to to their goal. It's only fitting that I should nominate them together, and it's going to be a bastard to judge them separately when I have to vote for one (but not the other) in six months.
  43. It will not be within a half hour of then, sorry....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mentalist (#517)
    How long is "a while"?

    That time is exactly midnight for me, but I'd stay up if it was like... within half an hour or so.
    It will not be within a half hour of then, sorry. Get your sleep.
  44. We intend to start randing at that time, yes. ...

    We intend to start randing at that time, yes.

    Don't expect your role PMs for a while after that, though.
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    Completed Conclusion: Part 3 ...

    Conclusion: Part 3


    We are breaking with tradition a little bit for the final guest of the evening, for reasons that are about to be made readily apparent. While we have gazed across the party and analyzed the attendees and discussed whether or not they would go Mafia, we cannot do that for our final subject. That is for one simple reason: They are the Person Who Does Not Show Up. This one is, perhaps, our saddest and surest case of all.

    The Person Who Does Not Show Up has been heard from since quarantine, but only sporadically at best. They joined a couple of the Zoom friends meetups back in March and April 2020 before quickly losing interest, sometimes even mid-conversation. They remember to text best wishes on birthdays on the like, sometimes. They will respond to conversations initiated by others, again sometimes, but never start them themselves. Most people at the party are bemused by this lack of communication and are genuinely hoping to see their friend in person for the first time in over a year and actually have a real chat with them, just like the old days. These people are bound to be disappointed.

    It doesn't matter if the Person Who Does Not Show Up is on the periphery of the group, the guest of honor, or somewhere in between. They may respond yes to the invitation, they may not respond at all, but they're certainly not going to be there, and they're probably not going to send forewarning of their lack of attendance. They have more important things on their plate. You see, they signed up for a Mafia game that started earlier in the week and, well, they're still alive and it's getting down to crunch time. They decided to prioritize, and the result is, inevitably, what it has always been: Mafia takes precedence.

    It could be because the party coincides with an important EOD. It could be that they were fully intending to show up to the party, but then there was an out-of-nowhere claim and they got caught up in the fallout. It could be that they randed wolf and have to sit on night actions so their moronic partner doesn't slide in and blow up the entire plan. It could simply be because they're in the final stages of designing their *own* game that's set to run next week and have convinced themselves they don't have time for anything else. Whatever the issue, the end result is the same: A no-show in the service of the greater cause, and disappointed guests.

    The Person Who Does Not Show Up does not have the potential to go Mafia. They have already gone Mafia, perhaps years ago. They have made their decision. They have been consumed. They have accepted the social consequences. They had a choice once, but no longer. It is too late for them. We can do little but pity them, and perhaps hope that the next party takes place when they died early in a game. Assuming they're not in an intense argument with somebody about the utility of the jailkeeper role in DVC, of course.


    SilverKeith is victorious! They were The Person Who Does Not Show Up, Mafia!



    (this is the end of the flavor, hope you enjoyed!)
  46. Sunday afternoon/evening US time. Probably...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#379)
    When are you randing?

    I might do a pre-anni hype turbo or something before then, if there's interest!!!!!
    Sunday afternoon/evening US time.

    Probably evening?
  47. moth this an in?

    Quote Originally Posted by moth (#362)
    I arrive on a chariot drawn by margoyles
    then I leave
    @moth

    this an in?
  48. One shot per day unless otherwise stated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#354)
    Do we get one ITA shot per window or one shot per day?
    One shot per day unless otherwise stated.
  49. This is confirmed. Probably.

    Quote Originally Posted by vanity. (#353)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe (#351)
    when are the ITA windows? (or a rough estimate)
    since this is close to the same team that did anni 2019, i'd guess 10-11 am edt and 5-6 pm edt or close to those periods.
    This is confirmed.

    Probably.
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    Game Thread I promise I have not forgotten about this game. ...

    I promise I have not forgotten about this game.

    I will get back into the swing of things once Anni has ended (and probably a few recovery days after that).
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