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    Completed Lets just remember that knights can be an...

    Lets just remember that knights can be an excellent player (and wolf). Likely that if knights is scum, his buddies are actively trying to protect him so he can start playing tomorrow.
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    Completed banks and knights being on NK15 while I scumread...

    banks and knights being on NK15 while I scumread both of them and TR NK15 ... hm.
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    Completed How is this very specific, very unusual role the...

    Quote Originally Posted by TehBankertin (#2268)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#2161)
    @TehBankertin

    Btw do you think Im mafia for pushing you? You only consider the role, but couldnt I be town with this very role and still be on you? You dont argue my alignment really, you just argue a possible (weird/unusual) role to shade me without really committing to reading my alignment.
    It would be a Mafia aligned role I assumed that was implied. I am reading your reaction to me saying this. I don’t think you’re the role based on that so vote me at your leisure. I think your talking about the game has been to jump into ISO’s and claim to be reading them and determine alignments. I find that style wolfy in general because it’s devoid of interactions in real time. Your doubling down without moving and even after I outed the role thing feels more villagery. Plus others are saying you’re more townie than not. So I’d say despite how I felt when I left work you’re likely a villager.

    I think you read when I started talking to QB about March madness and determined I wasn’t doing anything and that’s wolfy instead of reading on you’re letting your bias lead you. I told monte I think QB is s villager for how he came back to. Respond to a dumb question after leaving, I don’t get reads conventionally.
    How is this very specific, very unusual role the first thing that comes into your mind with everything? Thats so random and I cant see a towny think "well he might just have this very obscure role that happens in 1 every 100 games so let me post about this".

    Idk, you arent dying today so I will reevaluate tomorrow if I feel like it. Just weird to me.
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    Completed I believe you

    Quote Originally Posted by Creature (#2222)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#2208)
    Quote Originally Posted by Creature (#2192)
    Watch me overtake your postcount before deadline hits
    spamy creature was town creature iirc

    did he adapt in the last couple of months?
    No, I still only do this as town
    I believe you
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    Completed spamy creature was town creature iirc did he...

    Quote Originally Posted by Creature (#2192)
    Watch me overtake your postcount before deadline hits
    spamy creature was town creature iirc

    did he adapt in the last couple of months?
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    Completed theknightsofneeee

    ##Vote theknightsofneeee
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    Completed Alright IM out of flow now... gonna just read...

    Alright IM out of flow now... gonna just read live and vote whereever.

    My notepad says



    annulus, Shattiel, Roxas, Nk15, sheep
    Yagami, Pinky
    TehBankertin, knights


    atm. I think I had more reads but cant recall
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    Completed TehBankertin Btw do you think Im mafia for...

    @TehBankertin

    Btw do you think Im mafia for pushing you? You only consider the role, but couldnt I be town with this very role and still be on you? You dont argue my alignment really, you just argue a possible (weird/unusual) role to shade me without really committing to reading my alignment.
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    Completed I did read your ISO, just didnt think investing...

    Quote Originally Posted by TehBankertin (#2088)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#2014)
    Quote Originally Posted by bopolis (#2004)
    ##Vote theknightsofneeee
    bop can you TL;DR me how banks plays? He seems very lackluster this game
    Just so everyone is aware Slaan made a vote on me that was absolutely non committal and he hadn’t read my iso at all, I challenged him do and the things he said I was doing that were scummy I did the opposite later in the iso he admitted himself later and continues to vote me.

    Normally this wouldn’t bug me as frankly people have been wrong before BUT I have good reason to believe a role where you vote someone and that’s how you vig them exists in this game. Slaan would cover that type of role. His approach has me thinking that it’s not really baked into s read but has a different motive.

    Maybe he’s just wrong but if I die in the night Slaan should be looked at with very VERY high suspicions
    I did read your ISO, just didnt think investing enough time to provide a huge case is warrented when I havent gotten an overall grasp on this game.

    And I wont stay on you unless I get you lynched (or closed to lynched), so dont worry. Thats an interesting thought about roles tho, curious if this will come up.

    Not to mention, you didnt do the opposite. Your questions werent inspired at all or trying to really figure people out. They were lackluster. Should I survive this night (and not feel terrible after my OP tomorrow) I will gladly pull the stuff up - or others can feel free to read up on it as well. Sory but I didnt get the impression you really care about other people alignments and asked questions that really helps you determine their alignment - which I would expect from you.

    Others Im reaidng as town didnt do either - to be fair - but considering I think you are a good player for you this is something that is lacking. I might be wrong solely because I only think of you as "a good player" without really knowing how you play, but that I cant help.
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    Completed Hm Nk15 seemed to have more bite than others Ive...

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuHumaid (#2069)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#1996)
    Quote Originally Posted by AbuHumaid (#1983)
    Quote Originally Posted by NK15 (#1761)
    Yep, and votes me - saying I am scum, but doesn't provide reasons. Every scum can do that with ease.
    ##Vote TehBankertin
    Scummy.
    I don't mind lynching this tbh.
    You think the rest of his posts are scummy as well? If so, why?
    His other posts are scummy alright, like voting without elaborating, scumreading people for NAI stuff, but that one post I pointed is the most scummy of them all, an overexplained OMGUS.
    Hm Nk15 seemed to have more bite than others Ive read, in a good way. But there isnt much and I agree him tacking onto bankns is a bit omgus-sy but thats not a wolfy thing per se.
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    Completed from memory (and its been a while) sheep was...

    Quote Originally Posted by annulus (#2044)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#2021)
    sheep town.
    wtf?
    from memory (and its been a while) sheep was always hostile towards me when scum. Sure she could play iti up but its been so long doubt he remembers much. This interaction was just so superficial nice / normal which I never got from him when he was scum I think?

    Duno, just felt towny.
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    Completed Wait capage is in this game? oh boi

    Wait capage is in this game? oh boi
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    Completed you have the greatest awards

    Quote Originally Posted by Transcend (#2029)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#2021)
    sheep town.
    Yeah
    you have the greatest awards
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    Completed Yea kre8: whats your logic here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Comet (#2028)
    Quote Originally Posted by kre8 (#2019)
    Quote Originally Posted by bopolis (#1966)
    knights might be wolfing,

    reading his 20 somethign post iso he did this ballwashing thing to abso that felt wolfy.
    If he's alive tomorrow he's probably a wolf
    ewww this is gross
    Yea

    @kre8: whats your logic here?
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    Completed sheep town.

    sheep town.
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    Completed :cheers:

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#2008)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#2001)
    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#1991)
    slaan feels really natural/comfortable from like the posts he's made since i came here
    Which is different from my scumrange how?
    idr your scumgame this is a non-meta vibe
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    Completed bop can you TL;DR me how banks plays? He seems...

    Quote Originally Posted by bopolis (#2004)
    ##Vote theknightsofneeee
    bop can you TL;DR me how banks plays? He seems very lackluster this game
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    Completed Which is different from my scumrange how?

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#1991)
    slaan feels really natural/comfortable from like the posts he's made since i came here
    Which is different from my scumrange how?
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    Completed You think the rest of his posts are scummy as...

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuHumaid (#1983)
    Quote Originally Posted by NK15 (#1761)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#1724)
    spice!

    ##Vote TehBankertin

    Reading his ISO rn and I dont see much attempt to solve or trying to create content or ask interesting questions. Just floating along, commenting. There were some spicey moments with Yagami I would assume he would try to analyse what Yagami was doing or something but its just... not much. And then just moves on. Just... lackluster overall. I actually dont have that much experience with him but I think he is considered one of the better players and that doesnt fit.
    Yep, and votes me - saying I am scum, but doesn't provide reasons. Every scum can do that with ease.
    ##Vote TehBankertin
    Scummy.
    I don't mind lynching this tbh.
    You think the rest of his posts are scummy as well? If so, why?
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    Completed you can change it

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#1976)
    this forum skin is $#@!ing killing me
    you can change it
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    Completed Skimmed - would agree. Knights from what I...

    Quote Originally Posted by bopolis (#1966)
    knights might be wolfing,

    reading his 20 somethign post iso he did this ballwashing thing to abso that felt wolfy.
    Skimmed - would agree. Knights from what I remember always starts with "dont care really" but if villa he starts caring and playing. here he doesnt.

    Samplesize of my read: 1
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    Completed Shattiel: why is roxas scum?

    @Shattiel: why is roxas scum?
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    Completed Is this something a mafia posts. Like, ever?...

    Quote Originally Posted by Roxas (#570)
    It’s also not confirmed there’s mafia

    For all we know it could be town vs 3p
    Is this something a mafia posts. Like, ever? Whats the thought behind this as mafia? "I can convince them there isnt mafia, so they wont look for me hihi"?

    Like... what.
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    Completed scum gottem

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#1935)
    uh hi
    scum

    gottem
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    Completed Ahzhhhhhh I dont know any of these people

    Ahzhhhhhh I dont know any of these people
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    Completed ISOing roxas now

    ISOing roxas now
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    Completed Fascinating and Im gonna get $#@! on for it if...

    Fascinating and Im gonna get $#@! on for it if wrong (I am open to another "sucks?" usertitle bet ), but I feel like NK15 did more honest scumhunting in his post than banks did in all of his post. Its not much, to be sure... and I dont agree with his first post assessment really (632), Finn can have those thoughts legit as town dont see why not, but the following post of NK15 are just looking for scum. He doesnt care about any balance (like Yagami does), I feel he is town thinking "who is scum" and thats that. Its not super thougth out, detailed or anything just... hm.

    Idk, wouldnt want to kill him atm.

    Why is there so much push aginst him anyway, what am I missing?
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    Completed Its not that you didnt at all do it, but you did...

    Quote Originally Posted by TehBankertin (#1803)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#1787)
    Yea no I stick with my Bankertin assement. Your investigation is incredible lackluster, you never ask a person directly about anything, dont push anyone. Instead of pushing on NK15 and arguing against him, you ask others to join you against him. while having made yourself any real points against him (or I missed it). Like, you hardly any investigation before your lunch time thingy, and after most are... I dont see a towny that wants it.
    The things you say I wasn’t doing I did do if you read my iso. So you either a) didn’t or b) skimmed it and came to a previous conclusion.
    Its not that you didnt at all do it, but you did so little of it. You still hardly have questions where I think "he really is trying to understand XY". Just overall superficial, floating along interactions.

    Im looking into others right now to get a better overall grip of the game but Im not a fan.
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    Completed Is this the only read you have on him?

    Quote Originally Posted by L Lawliet (#1794)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#1787)
    Yea no I stick with my Bankertin assement. Your investigation is incredible lackluster, you never ask a person directly about anything, dont push anyone. Instead of pushing on NK15 and arguing against him, you ask others to join you against him. while having made yourself any real points against him (or I missed it). Like, you hardly any investigation before your lunch time thingy, and after most are... I dont see a towny that wants it.
    He asked me about my list, then called me scum. Idk why he is thinking that way.
    Is this the only read you have on him?
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    Completed I have 0 read about you, but that is about to...

    Quote Originally Posted by NK15 (#1761)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#1724)
    spice!

    ##Vote TehBankertin

    Reading his ISO rn and I dont see much attempt to solve or trying to create content or ask interesting questions. Just floating along, commenting. There were some spicey moments with Yagami I would assume he would try to analyse what Yagami was doing or something but its just... not much. And then just moves on. Just... lackluster overall. I actually dont have that much experience with him but I think he is considered one of the better players and that doesnt fit.
    Yep, and votes me - saying I am scum, but doesn't provide reasons. Every scum can do that with ease.
    ##Vote TehBankertin
    I have 0 read about you, but that is about to change
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    Completed Yea no I stick with my Bankertin assement. Your...

    Yea no I stick with my Bankertin assement. Your investigation is incredible lackluster, you never ask a person directly about anything, dont push anyone. Instead of pushing on NK15 and arguing against him, you ask others to join you against him. while having made yourself any real points against him (or I missed it). Like, you hardly any investigation before your lunch time thingy, and after most are... I dont see a towny that wants it.
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    Completed Im at march Madness though, which is usually the...

    Im at march Madness though, which is usually the point I stop reading ISOs
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    Completed At this hour. oh well alright

    Quote Originally Posted by TehBankertin (#1733)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#1724)
    spice!

    ##Vote TehBankertin

    Reading his ISO rn and I dont see much attempt to solve or trying to create content or ask interesting questions. Just floating along, commenting. There were some spicey moments with Yagami I would assume he would try to analyse what Yagami was doing or something but its just... not much. And then just moves on. Just... lackluster overall. I actually dont have that much experience with him but I think he is considered one of the better players and that doesnt fit.
    Keep reading.
    At this hour. oh well alright
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    Completed I didnt really get a tunnel-y feeling yet? Just...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shattiel (#1702)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#1659)
    Quote Originally Posted by Shattiel (#1582)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#1573)
    Idk about Yagami. Very aggro on the one hand, very defensive on the other. Very self-concious which.. overall I think is a more wolfy trait but starting off pissing on duck and banks is not a thing many would do as scum. eh.
    I think a better way to read him is if his hard pushes makes sense to you
    Considering most of them were based on a misunderstanding (his weird early post about viggos aggressiveness) I cant tell.

    Like, he said in response to Star in the other post I linked (809) that

    That's a joke you think i am scum reading or town reading 'everyone' i have a pretty even distribution of them.
    At the time his shotgun reads were:

    - duck scum
    - banks scum
    - shattiel town (nc)
    - abu town (nc)
    - Finn scum (nc)
    - Roxas scum
    - starfire town
    - kre8 town (?)
    - starfire scum

    Which has many reads without real explanations and. eh. I actually didnt remember half of his townreads when I skimmed his ISO for the firs ttime, they were just so random/off hand while he fought with his accuses. He also kinda OMGUSSED I guess? I think those accusing him he accused right back? DIdnt read the entire interactions and only his post but Im getting this impression which...

    Idk, its not much. OMGUS never makes sense, but can come from town just as well.
    dt is capable of hard tunneling people as both alignments
    But as scum he looks he tunnels just for the sake of looking towny
    Its not a strong read but here I feel like dt is just forcing tunnels
    I didnt really get a tunnel-y feeling yet? Just hopping around, always with a strong (proclaimed) reason. Idk.

    You seem towny tho
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    Completed spice! TehBankertin Reading his ISO rn and...

    spice!

    ##Vote TehBankertin

    Reading his ISO rn and I dont see much attempt to solve or trying to create content or ask interesting questions. Just floating along, commenting. There were some spicey moments with Yagami I would assume he would try to analyse what Yagami was doing or something but its just... not much. And then just moves on. Just... lackluster overall. I actually dont have that much experience with him but I think he is considered one of the better players and that doesnt fit.
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    Completed Weird people playing this game.

    Weird people playing this game.
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    Completed Pinky ignoring my questions is, sadly, towny for...

    Pinky ignoring my questions is, sadly, towny for me. I extended olive branches which he didnt take which a scum wouldve I think.

    Still not a fan of this ISO tho
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    Completed That was fun! But yea, I havent randed scum...

    Quote Originally Posted by Perry the Platypus (#1624)
    Man I'm falling asleep, processed pretty much nothing on this page or the previous. Slaan seems fine, although I've only ever seen him as town. (you played with my site's rep, antialiasis, in the champs last year!)
    That was fun! But yea, I havent randed scum since... well over a year now (outside of turbos maybe, not even sure I randed scum there tho). Its rough.
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    Completed Considering most of them were based on a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shattiel (#1582)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#1573)
    Idk about Yagami. Very aggro on the one hand, very defensive on the other. Very self-concious which.. overall I think is a more wolfy trait but starting off pissing on duck and banks is not a thing many would do as scum. eh.
    I think a better way to read him is if his hard pushes makes sense to you
    Considering most of them were based on a misunderstanding (his weird early post about viggos aggressiveness) I cant tell.

    Like, he said in response to Star in the other post I linked (809) that

    That's a joke you think i am scum reading or town reading 'everyone' i have a pretty even distribution of them.
    At the time his shotgun reads were:

    - duck scum
    - banks scum
    - shattiel town (nc)
    - abu town (nc)
    - Finn scum (nc)
    - Roxas scum
    - starfire town
    - kre8 town (?)
    - starfire scum

    Which has many reads without real explanations and. eh. I actually didnt remember half of his townreads when I skimmed his ISO for the firs ttime, they were just so random/off hand while he fought with his accuses. He also kinda OMGUSSED I guess? I think those accusing him he accused right back? DIdnt read the entire interactions and only his post but Im getting this impression which...

    Idk, its not much. OMGUS never makes sense, but can come from town just as well.
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    Completed Idk about Yagami. Very aggro on the one hand,...

    Idk about Yagami. Very aggro on the one hand, very defensive on the other. Very self-concious which.. overall I think is a more wolfy trait but starting off pissing on duck and banks is not a thing many would do as scum. eh.
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    Completed quiet now! https://i.imgur.com/LcPmYfz.jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by L Lawliet (#1551)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#1548)
    Quote Originally Posted by L Lawliet (#1537)
    Slaan is town guys

    Kinda wanna read monte town earlier.
    Saying it as if you could read me scumgame, pah!
    How dare you claim that I think you're polarized
    quiet now!

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    Completed On the other hand, Yagami being very concerned...

    On the other hand, Yagami being very concerned with being super correctly read even though there have been clear misunderstandings... feels overdefensive. Instead of looking "what, why are they reading it like this?" he went instantly to "they are trying to misrepresent me".

    Duno if this is scummy per se tho, just self-concious.

    Like his post 809 - I also got the impression he mostly scumread folk previous to this post. Not to mention being even distributed isnt a thought a town has? A town gives out his reads no matter what and doesnt try to be even distributed (not to mention... there wont be 50% bad guys)

    hmmm
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    Completed Saying it as if you could read me scumgame, pah!

    Quote Originally Posted by L Lawliet (#1537)
    Slaan is town guys

    Kinda wanna read monte town earlier.
    Saying it as if you could read me scumgame, pah!
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    Completed For me its atm an issue of "pissing against you...

    Quote Originally Posted by TehBankertin (#1536)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#1526)
    Banks you had some strong interaction with Yagami early on, thoughts on this right now? ISOing Yagami atm
    Defended their bad logic in a flippant way. I’m inclined to read it villagery but having never played with them before doubling down could be a wolfie trait
    For me its atm an issue of "pissing against you and duck to start off this game? Without trying to make friends" - too much cojones required to be mafia
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    Completed Yagami: You had tons of aggresion early game...

    @Yagami: You had tons of aggresion early game against duck and bankz which was mostly based off a misunderstanding - what are your feelings on them now that everything calmed down a bit? You interacted a bunch with them, did their reactions/pushes feel legit considering your pust was easily misunderstood?
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    Completed Dont talk about this. Its not a thing we can fix...

    Quote Originally Posted by annulus (#1532)
    Quote Originally Posted by Viggorous (#1515)
    (Not so) fun fact: 24 people have less than 20 posts. This is really not good, people need to step up (and like 10 people are gonna get mod killed if they don't reach 15 I bet)
    that's the one part i think the mods got wrong, it's good to encourage people to post more than 15 times, but it's not realistic to enforce something like that when so many players won't take it seriously and just treat it like any other mash
    Dont talk about this. Its not a thing we can fix or do anything about and is probleatic for the flow of our game
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    Completed Oh wow that someone entirely different than I had...

    Oh wow that someone entirely different than I had on my mind. ty
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    Completed What was DTs original, long version name?

    What was DTs original, long version name?
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    Completed Banks you had some strong interaction with Yagami...

    Banks you had some strong interaction with Yagami early on, thoughts on this right now? ISOing Yagami atm
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    Completed That is: Make list ideally so its easier to find...

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#1513)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky (#1509)
    Quote Originally Posted by Slaan (#1505)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky (#1501)
    How convenient of you to ignore
    I often exaggerate my scumreads for effect, to see how the player will react.
    I started skimming once your ISO got boring. So what is your opinion now on DT? And why did you read Duck town?
    I'm boring, remember?

    $#@! outta here with that $#@!.
    Well once I read like 30 posts about DT/yagami and it continuing... yea.

    Are you having any other reads? You interacted with alot of people, can you give me a rundown where you stand currently?
    That is: Make list ideally so its easier to find once others might ISO you. Saw you also have a read on starlight and duck and I think bankerin at the start but would like a list for ppl you have reads on with reasons.
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