Type: Posts; User: NinjaPenguin
You've had super great reads both times I've played with you and if we ever play again, I hope we once again rand town together and I'll try my best to listen to you more (and if you're scum just quote this and pocket me :P).
Oh sweet game over hype! Good job everyone for being good at the game and finding scum and projecting town really well. Definitely nowhere remotely near my best game but at least I led Zone in the right-ish direction EoD1 and realized the thunderdome was a thing (thank goodness I was right on that or I would've been really embarrassed rip). I was pretty awful for the rest of it though. Should've just listened to my gut that Mich played late D1 in a really PR-y fashion instead of completely ignoring it and blindly tunneling (even if that somehow helped us project town lmao :P) I was never going to get there on either of the last two scum being scum if it wasn't for the fact that almost all the townies were so incredibly townie so good job to scum for that also.
It's a shame I was sick and busy the whole time because I made a ton of mistakes this game and was grumpy when I could play, so sorry for being so difficult. I'd still enjoy playing with any of you at some other time.
Special props to VM for being super obviously town and helping destroy Beast D1, to Djcat for nailing the scumteam after the D1 wagons, to EP for being right on Duck even when everyone was ignoring them, and to KK & Mich for playing nicely as PR and helping us lock up the game with good reads and mechanical plays near the end (I should've just listened to your plan D2 lmao)! Also just general props to all the townies tbh it's super incredible that 3/4 wagons at EoD1 were the scumteam! GG!
@It Aint Easy Being YeeSy What did you mean by P#1965? I'm still thinking it was saying that Duck and Mich's claims were a cc to you?
Confirming for Game 4!
Fair warning that for D1 I'm a bit busy so I'll probably be reading the thread and using Zone as a conduit for my thoughts rather than posting at full capacity. So uh have fun deciphering my reads through his posts I guess. :P
but also you're right I did forget to mention somethingweh
GG everyone! This is probably the best town I've ever played in; there were just so many good players from Manti's team CFD'ing Lissa D1 to Hangman being an actual god and nailing the scum
and unlike me not immediately reevaluating them awayto Ladd jumping in the game and absolutely destroying the Duskfall slot to Frog providing good cover and drawing the nightkill to two PRs who managed to last until Final 5 (especially FJP who nobody suspected and just sneaked by day after day to give town auto at the end) to all the people who were obvtown and forced their way out of the PoE and into a nightkill. Thanks to everyone for playing this alongside me and being so good (including the scum, who didn't play badly by any means)!
Special shoutout to my team who are all incredible players and I'm so happy I got to rand town in one of these games with. Eevee, your reads are stellar and I still have no idea how you're able to look at a pool of players and find the scum and PRs and troll us all at the same time. Smart, you're such a great teammate to work with, bounce reads off of, and help keep the mood upbeat and hyped. Ici, I never knew quite how in-depth your reads were and it was so cool to get to learn from you about your style of microreads even if I could never match it. Zone, you're always a blast to work with and your deathtunnels prove right more often than not so don't underestimate yourself.
Aquilla, thanks a ton for hosting this again. I can't imagine how crazy it is to run a setup like this and you've run it really well and professionally both times I've played Team Mafia so thanks for your hard work too!
It was a blast playing this mode again as a different alignment and I'd definitely be in for a third round whenever it ends up happening!
Okay I've gtg if Limestone somehow doesn't get lynched here our team is going to be vigilant af at how the hell it happened.
Glgl you've got this.
Team mostly agrees with me from what I can tell but Zone thinks Dusk is scum, eevee still has tinfoil on creature, smart is almost the same atp, Ici peaced out after the team meeting.
Legacy reads with note I haven't read anything between my last post and this EoD:
Obligatory notice that if Lime/Arch are in fact w/w, never ever ever let the Fecal slot survive to F3 but without preflip stuff Mikey is still town enough to bring this slot up.
Ahh Smart just screamed at me in Discord to say he really wants Lime lynched and is too busy to explain if it's recent posts or not but I don't have time to catch up and every reason why Lime was scum earlier today applies so if there's a cw I'm always voting Lime here and everyone else should too.
Made it for EoD what's going down?
Okay eevee is telling me Manti's tone wrt the questions he asked when preparing the bombing run and he saw it as giving Lissa a last chance to clear herself and test how people would react to the CFD, others with different tone as a cover up.
Oh Smart is saying that Lime is prob right about the hydra game and he could be misremembering but that shouldn't discount the fact Smart still reads him as scum and has a good read on him.
Lime can you push or give a scumread on someone that isn't a LHF supreme 20 poster?
So that ISO read of Beck was actually terrifying I'm glad I didn't townclear that slot because neither of the people in that slot have felt willing to lynch Limestone at all and partner (eww at Beck putting them at third in scumreads and not caring about it for the read of the day) and I'm actually terrified and would like a sanity check. A couple questions for the two of them
@Beck How did Chemist's village flip solve the game for you?
@FecalFeast Can you talk to me about your team's progression from P#4348 to P#4386 to P#4408?
Okay the final ISO left besides Creature who I'm just going to sheep Smart's meta and say he's town is Beck but I don't really want to there's so many posts ugh. I'll probably just look through Beck and Fecal cause I already know Mikey is really townie and it's a waste of time to reread 200+ posts to confirm that.
Okay Smart is saying he understood what Roro was saying about Marl re: open buddying but disagreed b/c he thought his read was better, while 112 had an accusation not a case.
Okay I'm not sure what Smart thought about your case on Alice but he felt like 112's was OMGUS and useless.
#1946, he read our slot as 90% town while he said you were pushing us (P#2569), he voted Chemist despite your disagreement, etc. It felt like you were pushing Alice/us while Roro has some agreement but still his own thoughts and spent time trying to figure out what was right.
A headstrong player not heeding their team isn't auto-maf but Alice as a villager just wouldn't ignore their opinions instead of trying to resolve them (there's also a huge difference between heeding an opinion and not trying to resolve them but I digress). Our team has a ton of meta on Alice's team and when they're all so good players as town I strongly doubt that someone like Alice would disagree with someone like Marl she respects and not try to look into it.
I think SB thought the case by 112 was vague and bad but not as much yours but I'm not sure? I'll look back and see what he said about it.
Okay Chingles/Alice can be scum together sounds good. :+1:
Oh shoot Relm missing from that shortlist despite their focus is weird af good catch Mendel I didn't see that
I don't really understand what you're talking about here. Your team has 100% posted from a mindset of people with differing reads trying to solve the game and that's why I got such a strong TR on Roro (he seemed like he was balancing you/Pizza's thoughts with his own a lot). Our dynamic thoughts aren't able to solve everyone because Alice is the only slot where I don't understand how their posts fit with the perspective of their team. It's just one piece of the puzzle that for Alice's team doesn't fit.
The posts you quoted also don't make much sense? One is Smart's reaction to the red check and the other is a Chingles post so I don't get where you're coming from here.
So I looked over the Archamedes slot again because Smart said he was finally coming around to them being a wolf and I was starting to think they might be town. Archamedes is so townie and it's really hard to reconcile with Chingles who never felt like they had any strong conviction and whose walls felt like they were for the sake of wall rather than solving (which was especially weird considering my ISO skim of Champs Chingles never had a single wall). The slot overall it's moved up to null leaning scum just because there has to be three scum this game, but I think I'm still confident on my read that the unlikely world where Beck is scum always means this slot is scum for that w/w Lissa/Beck comment that never got followed up (and also because I'm stupid and think Beck thinking Paranoia/Alice was one team raises the equity of those three being the exact scumteam).
Smart is telling me this is more in Limestone's scum meta and he's not genuinely solving so let's go deeper into the tunnel.
He's also reading Creature v and it seems like eevee is maybe no longer dissenting from that one but it's kinda unclear what he's saying?
I wouldn't use the word clear but we're townreading him because it feels like he's in his town meta of being naive and confused. Stuff like pinging Contrainer in thread for reads and confusing who is on his team fits that mold of him being uniformed and puts him in the town side of all our reads. Also that slot voted Lissa which helps.
Bunnelby/GCK is the slot where TWTBAW comes into play and I hate those reads but I still want them to be town regardless of how stupid it is and I know my team is kinda annoyed at me for it. Every time I've looked at the player I've seen something different and this time it's P#192 which feels like a weird variant of "caught in the wrong way" but then I look back at P#188 and it feels like it's from so pure of a perspective and I go back to being clueless and GCK's progression is such a mess but then I feel like wolves would have some idea of where their fake reads are and would trying to look not sus and not explicitly say stuff like that they did something so not look scummy so basically this is just a WIFOM pile that I want in my soul to be town despite my team's thoughts. This is probably the slot I want to monitor most today to see if I can get anything definitive feeling from it.
Duskfall slot is one that I want to be town but I don't have any actual reason to back it up so I'm lazy and slotted it into neutral. A couple of questions for @Duskfall:
If you had to dayvig one player right now, who would it be and why?
Where does Nuxl stand compared to your reads last you checked?
Do you understand Nuxl's comments about a possible Mikey/Bunnel w/w? I think he was saying it unlikely but I don't really understand his reasoning so it'd be nice if you could say it to me in simpler terms.
12 poster slot is probably town for that red check reaction and pushing against thread consensus and also because I love dumb reads and scum doesn't usually tag the player they just killed. Ici had them at above rand scum and I tried to find why but he didn't explain it so I'm gonna chalk that up to his meta of spammers being town and say lolIci until he gets online and tells me why.
Okay with that out of the way, it's time to start trying to deal with the slots we can't agree on. Those currently stand at the Beck, Chingles, knights, the 12 poster, Duskfall, and GCK. We've basically come to a consensus TR on the Maxwell slot that we're not quite as 100% sure on as the others not named at not Limstone but we're p confident about. I'm probably gonna ISO them in order from least to most posts bc I'm lazy.
The town agendas are a) to resolve and consider your multiple voices by questioning and looking into reads from five different perspectives all pushing their own agendas because they think they will get scum lynched and b) lynching the scum that's agreed on through part a. But Alice isn't posting at all like someone with five competing voices pushing their reads, especially not one with Beck as scum (her progression goes from "Beck is eww" to Beck is in towncore) or one with some voices saying Chemist and others saying 112 (it didn't feel like she cared which one died, which seemed more like the average of the worlds she claimed her team had rather than trying to resolve them). Her posts come from the singular Alice pushing the singular Alice agenda rather than a player on a team with competing thoughts they try to resolve.
Also, the question wasn't "do this for me" it was "do you see this too" I've already said I think this is the case.