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  1. #762

    Thread: Hydra Event 2021!

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    Sticky: don’t put us in officially yet, have to see...

    don’t put us in officially yet, have to see what’s going on closer to gamestart
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    Completed gg they were

    gg they were
  3. Postgame#9713

    Thread: Poisoner 21'er

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    Completed I’ve seen you run it but didn’t know you straight...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack (#9712)
    I'd appreciate a quick shout out or credit when my setup is used in the future, thanks
    I’ve seen you run it but didn’t know you straight up created it, my bad and you got it
  4. Postgame#9702

    Thread: Poisoner 21'er

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    Completed gg all, thanks for playing

    gg all, thanks for playing
  5. Day 5#8821

    Thread: Poisoner 21'er

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    Completed https://c.tenor.com/te4hePHUrV4AAAAC/anime-gun.gif...





    ##Vote ##Vote ##Vote ##Vote Arete
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    Thread: Poisoner 21'er

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    Completed Ryker - most obvious villager in the game. Has...

    Ryker - most obvious villager in the game. Has had moments of purity like gamestart, early in the game where he was Ryker'ing, and he's had this approach to the game where he like, latches onto certain people to try and solve with them. He's done this with SK, Gorf, myself, spf and Tess. SK/spf/Tess he did this with because Ryker gravitates to more strictly logical players; this is a big game with a bunch of people he doesn't know so has been trying to engage people that make sense to him.

    A strong point in his favor is look at how Ephemera/SK treated him. Early in the game Ryker kept asking people to engage with him, most people did not do much of this because most townies aren't really that cooperative, they just play at their own pace. Ephemera/SK both went out of their way to do this $%#! with Ryker because it's an easy work to pocket a villager and look like you're solving. If you doubt Ryker's alignment, multi-ISO Ephemera/SK and ask yourself if it's wolves trying to pocket a villager versus wolfbros trying to buddy up.

    Gorf - Town off purity. There are 3 moments that lock in Gorf for me:

    1) His engaging with me on pushing Mistyx D1. I think we were the only players who did this. This is a towntell; as a wolf Gorf would know not to do that $%#!. It was towny recklessness born out of 'wow. Did our odd night vig really just out moments into D1? No $%#!ing way.'

    Most wolves wouldn't push Mistyx there.

    2) His early interaction with Ephemera where he buried her. It had a snappiness to it that felt real. Also Ephemera had a tone to how she talked to villagers that was very like, exaggerated. Look at her reaction to Wisdom voting her, she said some $%#! like "lmao I'm def down to thunderdome you today," just overplayed shock. She had a similar tone to Gorf, saying "this feels like a slap to the face" when Gorf called her points on him bull$%#!. I don't think this was theater, I think this was a sick realtime read on Gorf's part.

    3) His clapback towards me early in the game D1. I remember pushing him and he came back quite strongly, I was kinda surprised. I unvoted him because in real time, he just felt like a villager there. Also the way he handled that whole push afterwards: stating surprise at my unvote, engaging me on my read to see if I was full of $%#! or not, etc. felt good. He didn't just POE me, he was really working through my alignment, yeah.

    Jpic - Town off purity. Dude's just obvious town IMO. If you want other salient points then consider that:

    1) SK came into the game with a really weak case on Jpic while also V reading Ephemera. I was teamed with SK in that team mafia game and SK just likes to hard wolfside early in the game shamelessly. I'm hard reading his push on Jpic as unaligned, more like he came in with the conclusion that he was going to wolf read Jpic and force reasoning to fit that read as opposed to it being any natural thing.

    2) JC hard V read him. They have enough playing history together that I want to put some stock in this.

    I'm also hard reading Jpic's first post in this game as coming from town, no meme.

    C4 - If C4's a wolf he would have to have been a goon busing his PRs. That's possible but eh, I don't think so. C4 didn't try to make much of a show of his pushes on the wolves like a wolf dedicated to busing their team usually does. If you look at his ISO while he's pushing wolves there's this kind of like...joy to it that feels pure. Like he's just having fun bodying wolves. This is more a read on his mindset/attitude towards the game aligning more with a villager than a wolf but I feel good about it.

    I think if C4 was a busing wolf he would have made more effort to keep chugging along yesterday. Think about it: Kaif, SK, Ephemera all flipped. C4 was content to just come into the thread, vote them, then bring up whatever talking points were on his mind. Yesterday after those flips he came into the thread like "for once I don't have a snap vote." He then didn't do much during the phase (C4 (17)) at all really.

    So the question is: why the $%#! would he bus 3 of his bros, get all the cred in the world, then just stops solving when his whole gameplan would be to bus? It's just a weird pause to his gameplay that flies in the face of what his approach to the game as a wolf would be. I think it's likelier that he was just confused town who took a step back to let the thread mold into something solvable.

    Happy - Iight so Happy's fixation on katze early in the game is very towny. I think from his point of view, he had a lot of reasons to wolfread katze that were cromulent enough: katze was just not doing much. The towniest part about it is like, kind of the desperation and mindset Happy took to the wolfread:

    1) The FPS on katze. He did this at a point in the game where katze was kind of consensus POE but the game was flowing in a way where it was obvious that katze was probably not going to die for a few phases. I see this as towny desperation, like, oh $%#!, this wolf is about to slip out of the POE, oh hell no, I am going to strongarm them back into it with my FPS.

    2) The tone he used towards katze and the sentiment of: "You can even use this FPS to push me later in the game when our inevitable thunderdome happens" when he was going back and forth with them that one night. That's town cockiness IMO and a villager who knows they're going to keep POE'ing/sussing a player for a longass time.

    Yet at the same time, Happy expressed some doubt on katze throughout the game. After the first 3 wolf flips they essentially admitted to not being as sure as katze and having read one of katze's EODs as towny. MOST wolves do not take this perspective towards a villager with the level of nuance that Happy took. It's usually more static.

    Beyond this some of Happy's emotions have been pure and villagery. His reaction to Ryker Rykering was quite towny, and also his joy at me townreading him a couple times, just his overall treatment of me in particular feels pure.

    A lot of perspective has been towny too, like he's had these moments of kinda lecturing people on how the game is going to go or how to approach certain slots and $%#!. I read this as a woke villager lmao.

    Lastly, spf V read him pretty hard and she has the most experience with him as both alignments.

    @Ryker
    @Gorf
    @Justplayingitcool
    @c4e5g3d5
    @Happy

    I'm locking you all in as town. If y'all have any qualms with this speak up. Otherwise I'm moving onto the katze/Arete dynamic.



    So then there's Arete/katze. This should usually hold the last wolf. I've had a triangle read on them that has involved mewtini and JC at various points. katze has been a universal wolfread/POE slot as have I for the vast majority of the game. Arete was wolfread early on pretty commonly, had some moments where they floated up peoples' read lists and now, after the mewtini flip, is getting townread.

    I'm of the opinion that katze is a villager, Arete is the final wolf, and those of you who are V reading Arete off the mewtini flip are making a game-losing misread. If you kill katze and myself and go to *ylo, I am asking you to kill Arete there. At that point there's no choice but to resolve them there and if it throws the game, that's on you for failing to find myself and katze in the world where katze is a villager when we were ahead.

    Arete/katze - The main things that makes Arete the last wolf in my eyes are 1) they've had more agenda-y moments than any other living slot behind possibly myself, 2) their reads have been more static and out-of-step with how a villager would react to certain game events in their shoes and 3) the JC VC where he was at 4 votes along with some other villagers and the only living slots voting him alive are katze and Arete. I'm reading the gamestate back then as having had a wolf voting JC as opposed to the wagon being pure.

    Arete and JC have this early-game mutual wolfread of each other that they stick to for the entirety of D1. This is going to touch a point I raised before, that being that Arete's confidence in JC being a wolf was out of step with how a villager would react. There were definitely problems with John's play but there was a lot more doubt as to his alignment that was being expressed by most of the playerlist because he did have some good moments.

    That's not that big of a point though. I'm thinking more about how D2 was wolfy for Arete's treatment of JC than D1. That D1 EOD was chaotic AF. D2 starts and John actually starts to cool on Arete being a wolf. Arete keeps up the wolf read on John and doesn't really ever buckle on it.

    The strongest point for why this is wolfy is because John was extremely villagery EOD2. He had been postcapped, got free of it, then came back in EOD2 very strong. As soon as he started posting you had people like myself, Gorf, Jpic strongly V reading him because he was going so ham in being towny that you just felt that $%#! off the page. The only people who kept strongly wolfreading JC at that point were tess and Arete. tess moves to vote me, but Arete starts casing John even MORE at this point. I thought this was wolfy as hell. Because John was super towny and Arete just didn't seem to even consider that. I think as a villager there, Arete would have at least had some pause there, I'm of the opinion that they kept pushing the wolf read along out of necessity.

    The next thing I'm going to point out is Arete's treatment of the flipped wolves. You have Kaif, SK, Ephemera and mewtini. The simplest points that come to mind are that they hard V read Kaif D1 off of his wanting to policy IAAFR and kept such a strong V read that they scolded the people wagoning him.

    D2 starts and they come in with a V peek on mewtini. I think the timing of how Arete treated Kaif and mewtini as V reads is suspect as hell. Imagine being in Arete's shoes. You have an entire team who is not really trying that hard (except Ephemera, they came to play so props to them) so how the hell are you going to win this game? Guarding Kaif and adding an element of confusion by greenpeeking your bro in mewtini aligns with this. You want to keep mewtini alive because they're the poisoner and Keith is a sinking ship.

    So this is one of the bigger points for Arete being a wolf: their treatment early on in the game is the most pro-wolf and no it's not just "lolwrong" reductive $%#!, it's the mindset behind it.

    Like seriously what are the odds that Arete's strong V read D1 is a wolf and then when D2 starts their green peek is a wolf? Makes more sense that they're just wolfing IMO. Also, I actually think it's wolfy that Arete started D2 with a peek and that they were even thinking of cover when the phase started. As sad as that last sentence is, this village - including myself - has been hot garbage when it comes to leaving cover. Actually terrible lmao. When D2 started no one was even thinking of leaving cover, it was just villagers rushing into the thread trying to make sense of that chaotic AF EOD. So because of this mindset of like omg we have to solve EOD, all of us forgot to leave cover. It wasn't until later in the phase and game that townies were like oh yeah, we're supposed to do that.

    What I'm saying is that all of this $%#! is more consistent with a wolf mindset and cognizance of the fact that villagers are supposed to leave cover. It feels bad to call Arete a wolf for playing the setup properly here, but I really do think town just shat the bed with cover early here.

    Then Arete and katze have been going back and forth all game. I've been gut reading them as holding a wolf. I believe in my solving of the villagers above, I know I'm town, so stay with me while I try to analyze who is wolfier between the two and, more importantly, who is treating this specific Arete/katze dynamic in a wolfier way.

    Like I was saying earlier, Arete has been way more static than katze has in terms of their treatment of katze than vice versa. If you pull up katze's ISO, they go back and forth on Arete a $%#!ton of times. Lots of "omg Arete please don't be wolfing I was V reading you" like sentiments. Pull the ISO and you will see, I would not be surprised if katze has made over 150 posts waffling on Arete.

    If you pull up katze's vote history, you will see that they voted Arete and has moved off a $%#!ton of times. Arete has voted katze twice this game.

    These are actually points in katze's favor as opposed to Arete. katze is a villager who has struggled with Arete's alignment over the course of the game. I think the reason katze hasn't pulled the trigger on Arete is because 1) they've played a really good wolf game and 2) town keeps killing other people so this hasn't been able to be resolved.

    Actually yeah, katze has voted Arete TEN $%#!ing times this game. A couple were meme votes but a lot were "I'm going to explore this potential scum read" votes. This screams of a villager stuck on a wolf read and subconsciously circling back to it because town refuses to resolve it.

    If you look at how katze and Arete have treated each other, there's a lot of evidence showing that katze has been genuinely struggling with Arete's alignment. I think this is also hastened by the fact that katze knows Arete from FoL and does not want to be wrong on their read.

    But Arete hasn't posted anywhere neeeeaaaar the amount of doubt that katze has presented for Arete. There are some quips here and there but it's limp, nowhere near as much as katze. Honestly Arete hasn't even treated katze as much of a wolf read, they've treated them more as a V read for most of the game. Pull the ISO and you will not see much pressuring or criticism of katze, there's some stuff but it's not that compelling.

    I actually think katze's treatment of Arete is quite villagery when put in the context of "this is a big game, no one has played with Arete, town is relying on you to get a strong read there."

    Also, I lost to katze in Dragonvale but I want to point out a few things: I actually gut wolfread katze as a wolf there early in the game, it was after some wolf flips and real-time interacting with them that I got pocketed. I haven't really found katze that wolfy this game, more just kind of limp and deserving of being pressured/poe'd due to being low impact. So the difference there is notable to me. Beyond that though.....

    I'm townreading katze's entrance this phase. I was in the thread a couple nights ago with them when they made those posts about town having to kill them, giving up, etc. And I felt that $%#!. It felt pure on a gut level. Like a villager knowing they're going to have to die and knows they can't really stop it, I was in the thread and katze was sad af. This is more a realtime-emotion read but I feel good about it, I think I looked into their soul and saw a villager.

    "but yolo Arete clapped mewtini yesterday!!!!!"

    So the $%#! what? Wolves bus in every game. Beyond that though, think of the gamestate and what a wolf would need to do to win there. First, mewtini had used up all of their poisons so there's no need for them to be alive anymore. Second, read the gamestate: katze/myself have been universal POE for the past few phases. In spite of all the wolf lunches, the truth is that this is a very lazyass town. I would say the only one who has been playing mafia these past few phases are like katze and Ryker, Happy a little bit and then all the flipped villas who have died.

    Beyond that you have most of the game spamming POE pools and V reads that don't $%#!ing matter and do nothing to actually solve the game in any meaningful capacity. So the wincon is to just let town keep doing this $%#! while they POE and sleepwalk into katze/YOLO mislunches. Once you do that, you go to F4 which is winnable with someone like C4 falling off or Gorf just being awful near endgame to frame them.

    Imagine winning the game because you bused like a 30-posting wolf at the time it makes the most sense and town is so bad that they clear you for it instead of the literal 8500+ posts of readable content instead. Amazing.

    If Arete is a wolf and y'all lose to them, I am asking all of the living villagers alive (besides katze, they voted Arete enough that they are absolved) to go and nominate Arete for best wolf after getting owned so hard. They will have deserved it.

    What I'm trying to say is that if Arete is a wolf, busing mewtini there makes sense because anyone with game sense can tell that katze and myself are always dying here. So no, I don't clear them off of that $%#!ing EOD in spite of all the other $%#! I have written about with strong towntells on every other living player in the game.

    I also want to remind you all that mistyx, JC, Wisp and Wisdom went out wolfreading Arete and to consider dead villagers' reads here.

    If you think the wolf is someone else then go and case them. I can tell you that it isn't me. So YOLO.

    If you think Arete/katze are V/V then we're $%#!ed and game was lost forever ago, probably on D1. My gut has screamed Arete a few times though and I'm YOLOing this $%#!. Good luck homies.
  7. Day 5#8818

    Thread: Poisoner 21'er

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    Completed Wow was that a nice mental break. Alright so...

    Wow was that a nice mental break.

    Alright so after reviewing some things and thinking through the game from different angles I think we can wrap this $%#! up. Give me a bit I'm typing up my solve.
  8. Day 5#8561

    Thread: Poisoner 21'er

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    Completed i mean you have your read then you have...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryker (#8534)
    More lying I'm bed failing to sleep later.

    I guess he pushes for Katze, Arete, and Happy I'm a YOLO scum world.


    I just find his faith in me bizarre if not earnest. If he's scum, why in the hell isn't he holding me at arm's reach by this point.

    I'm pretty $%#!ing horrified of the nightmare world where I'm stuck without Gorf or YOLO and in a thunderdome with w!Happy if Katze and YOLO flip v. No one else has a solid handle on how I play mafia. I feel like I'm mostly just getting mileage from not knowing mafiauniverse mechanics.

    That got me thinking about asking Gorf and YOLO to reread my slot and see if their opinion held up so I could have that going for me. That got me thinking about how w!YOLO ever wins with his current trajectory.

    And that has kept me from sleeping for two hours.

    So, I've got that going for me.
    i mean

    you have your read

    then you have reads of people who haven’t played much with me (jpic I’ve played with once, c4 never)

    to say this is a no brainer is an understatement

    out fr
  9. Day 5#8560

    Thread: Poisoner 21'er

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    Completed im not clearing Arete off the mewtini push when,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#8558)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#8557)
    im at arete/katze being last wolf. if it’s not them this game is probably rip town

    that said one of them should just be a wolf in most worlds

    im afk today due to oog reasons
    sell me on why it still could be arete and why they don't try and murder katze/c4 in their spot
    im not clearing Arete off the mewtini push when, in the world where they’re a wolf, it gives them a free pass to lylo with town poe’ing me/katze for the rest of the game

    they might be town, idk ima iso them and katze tomorrow. im just saying i v read others more strongly and the poe has been accurate enough that im not about to throw it out for a potential bus on an essential goon
  10. Day 5#8557

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    Completed im at arete/katze being last wolf. if it’s not...

    im at arete/katze being last wolf. if it’s not them this game is probably rip town

    that said one of them should just be a wolf in most worlds

    im afk today due to oog reasons
  11. Day 5#8555

    Thread: Poisoner 21'er

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    Completed bruh what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#8515)
    Gorf
    c4

    arete

    happy
    ryker


    Yolo

    katze
    bruh what?
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    Thread: Poisoner 21'er

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    Completed LMFAO hahahah katze plz

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#8430)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#8428)
    to do list

    [...], katze
    😳
    LMFAO

    hahahah

    katze plz
  13. Day 5#8428

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    Completed to do list iso other flipped wolves, katze ...

    to do list

    iso other flipped wolves, katze

    latez
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    Completed I know no one really gives a $%#! and town will...

    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#1573)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#1566)
    i'm at like

    mech v = mistyx
    strong v = ryker, iaafr, spf
    a hair below that but still feel pretty good about = c4, jpic
    thin v read = wisp, katze

    jc is then on the cusp

    idk about wolf reads at this point

    i thought ladd may have been reaching with his push on katze though the ephemera push seemed alright

    i haven't really read happy as that towny, more just middle of the road and could easily be a wolf

    wisdom has had some posts that worried me a bit (the hard defending of jc earlier, the vote on jpic earlier), everyone else varying shades of null
    ultimately gives me a poe of

    mewtini
    kaif
    gorf
    happy
    ladd
    luckbox
    sk
    wisdom
    ephemera

    which seems cromulent enough. there's also tess, idk why she's voting me but i'll just roll with the thin v read for now, then prolly v reading a wolf or two
    I know no one really gives a $%#! and town will just keep spamming yolo poe but

    my iso actually has town tells if anyone wants to actually solve me after 4 $%#!ing wolf flips
  15. Day 5#8426

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    Completed lol what’s your worldview outside of katze and...

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#8395)
    p#8138

    Lame. Contrived reason wrt mewt that doesn't apply in the slightest with a backup, and refuses to actually verbalize one reason wrt me to handwave everything away. Concise way of avoiding having to look like you believe the read, and a method that w!kat exercises liberally.

    I keep thinking that Yolo's play these last couple phases has been like this gif



    But that feeling seems to go away whenever he posts so it might just be recency bias. Still absolutely in the bottom two though lol.

    Happy's absolutely still just town.
    lol

    what’s your worldview outside of katze and myself?
  16. Day 5#8424

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    Completed wondering if this is just all villagers

    Quote Originally Posted by mewtini (#1128)
    honestly i feel like my reads are mostly in “idk people x, y, and z seem pretty towny”-land (c4, rabbit, spf, mist, ryker off the top of my head) without having gone too deep in

    ##Vote JohnCarter for now
    wondering if this is just all villagers
  17. Day 5#8417

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    Completed posting for own reference before eating dinner,...

    Quote Originally Posted by mewtini (#1562)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arete (#1560)
    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#1554)
    arete do you have an approximate readlist

    i feel like you're focusing too much on JC whats your broader view
    unCC'd vig

    Mistyx

    have done some things I think are townie (sorted ish)

    Ryker
    Kaif
    iaafr
    katze

    haven't done anything that pinged me strongly in either direction (not sorted)

    c4e5g3d5
    Gorf
    Happy
    Justplayingitcool
    ladd
    Luckbox Inc
    mewtini
    SilverKeith
    staypositivefriend
    Wisdom
    Wisp

    pinging me in both directions (not sorted)

    tessepia

    actively pinged me as wolfy (sorted ish)

    Ephemera
    YOLOSWAG
    JohnCarter

    ---

    looking at this I'm like 'wow I have way too many nullreads and way too few townreads,' hopefully some people have been villagery in the 500 or so posts that I missed

    if EoD were in 30 seconds I would vote Yolo > mewtini >>> Kaif of the top wagons
    what did you like from kaif?
    Quote Originally Posted by mewtini (#5536)
    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#5525)
    arete is a villager
    why do you think so?
    posting for own reference before eating dinner, also think ryker looks town off this iso
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    Completed Happy what are you thinking in the event katze...

    @Happy

    what are you thinking in the event katze flips town?
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    Completed happy is still my v read I think, I was there in...

    happy is still my v read I think, I was there in real time when he had the snap wolf read on mewt and it felt pure
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    Completed o rip perfect reads unless it’s gorf

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#8385)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#8383)
    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#8375)
    If it is in fact Yolo then ladd had a perfect PoE lol
    I believe he had katze as poe as well
    IIRC kat was a bare step above
    o

    rip perfect reads unless it’s gorf
  21. Day 5#8383

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    Completed I believe he had katze as poe as well

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#8375)
    If it is in fact Yolo then ladd had a perfect PoE lol
    I believe he had katze as poe as well
  22. Day 5#8379

    Thread: Poisoner 21'er

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    Completed these don’t feel w/w

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy (#1127)
    Quote Originally Posted by tessepia (#1112)
    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#1103)
    Quote Originally Posted by tessepia (#1094)
    Their posts about Mistyx look even worse with the rescind
    I absolutely assumed Mist was rescinding at the time too
    Also prob means not w/w with JC?
    Quote Originally Posted by mewtini (#556)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#359)
    I voted misty because if you’re a villager, why CC John there?

    All it does is undercut his credibility and it’s not like he’s going to control every lunch anyway. I don’t see the point unless you really believe he’s going to muck up the thread with the fps which seems like an overreaction

    If mist was real they would just shoot JC

    I’m left with a wolf calling a potentially FPS’ing villa’s (because I have seen John do this $%#! as VT) bluff, presumably for the sake of keeping him in the poe when/if the fps is outed

    it also positions her to live way too long off of claim $%#! which is similar to what she did as a wolf in a game I played with her earlier this year
    idk if this is meta difference, but i'm kind of confused about this sentiment (if you talked more about this later, sorry, i haven't read everything lol). how is it ever wolfy to CC? i could see more of a point here if it weren't an open setup -- but the "if mist's claim is real, she'd just shoot" seems meh to me when in that position i feel like i'd rather just day elim scum asap... idk

    agree with some other sentiments i've seen that it's self-resolving and there r probably better things to discuss toDay but
    Quote Originally Posted by mewtini (#579)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisp (#402)
    in conclusion, I'd probably still vote Misty here solely for making an anti-town post, especially on day 1
    :/

    lol
    Quote Originally Posted by mewtini (#606)
    off of the bit of mist meta that i have, i think it would be really weirdly ooc and flashy for w!mist to CC like that
    Quote Originally Posted by mewtini (#637)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryker (#617)
    The $%#!? That take only comes from someone wrong or someone who knows town is $%#!ing up already.

    You just let Vigs take care of Vigs. How do you get there?
    because talking a ton about something that’s self-resolving, as you said, wastes time and thread space
    Quote Originally Posted by mewtini (#654)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisp (#644)
    @staypositivefriend
    look, I have bad experiences with open wolfers
    but ccing a vig claim in an open setup, just feels so bad to me

    either way im going to sleep, I can't post loads of analytics like some players here, so I gotta just force myself to not respond to everthing
    can you explain this to me more? from my exp i would have thought that open setup CC would make almost more sense — bc you know for sure that there is exactly one odd vig here as opposed to “lol what if it isn’t unique” as in a closed setup (oh:.. i type this and realize that maybe you mean it’s worse in open because then the possible-fake-CCer knows for a fact that the role exists…? but i don’t totally see it)

    i guess it feels like something that you could imagine indicatjng either alignment, but not like something that actually = wolfiness especially right out the gate d1
    relevant things being

    agree with some other sentiments i've seen that it's self-resolving and there r probably better things to discuss toDay but
    because talking a ton about something that’s self-resolving, as you said, wastes time and thread space
    but it's about half their ISO. Reads on things outside the claims are few/not very compelling. Mostly talk about why iaafr going "idk" isn't wolfy and spf having kinda good takes or whatever.

    If I want to add reasons that are more of a stretch, the fact they pretty persistently call Mistyx town is odd. There's never a point in which they say Mistyx could be a wolf, it's entirely playing defense. That ones not as much of a stretch. Going more though I dislike how they never talk about the other half of the equation, JC.

    Queen can ya put a vote on mewtini, it’s a slot I’m having troubles sorting and the points over here make sense so I wouldn’t mind adding some extra pressure on the slot. I gotta vote a viable wagon to make into rykers trs and I don’t really feel like voting any of the main wagons rn except for maybe Gorf but he already has enough votes for now

    ##Vote mewtini
    Quote Originally Posted by Happy (#1968)
    Quote Originally Posted by Happy (#1965)
    Bro why the $%#! do people only decide to towntell AFTER I decide to vote them


    Man I’m sorry if I’m misreading ya but at this point I don’t know where else to go

    ##Vote yoloswag
    Actually
    I could still probably be convinced to go mewtini

    And I’m getting increasingly concerned I miscleared Katze earlier
    Quote Originally Posted by Happy (#5972)
    Maybe shoot meet

    these don’t feel w/w
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    Completed swag

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    Completed lmao

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    Completed how are people gonna get there on katze though

    Quote Originally Posted by tessepia (#8340)
    Arete c4 should always die before Katze
    how are people gonna get there on katze though
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    Completed lmfao

  27. Day 4#8308

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    Completed katze can't do this back and forth anymore,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arete (#8243)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryker (#8239)
    Arete, where do you go tomorrow on either Mewtini flip if you get that lynch?
    Mewtini scum - stare at kat for a while. think about whether kat would wolfside that much as scum. probably watch her get voted out regardless of what I say.
    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#8213)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arete (#8209)
    ##Vote mewtini

    okay so

    I was thinking about the thing katze was saying earlier about who the poisoner was

    and I actually think mewtini-as-poisoner kind of makes sense, like, the biggest point in her favor IMO is the SHC, and wolves fake-SHCing her totally makes sense if she's the poisoner

    probably this is dumb because probably hunting for a specific wolf at all is dumb but
    for anyone reading at home this post has made my desire to vote arete increase quite a bit
    ##Vote katze

    can't do this back and forth anymore, sorry if wrong
  28. Day 4#8282

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    Completed I don't know what the $%#! this votecount is but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryker (#8274)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#8271)
    sup
    Hi handsome. Make sense of this charade please.
    I don't know what the $%#! this votecount is but I figured we'd kill one of Arete/katze and call it a day

    I'm surprised that C4 is leading lmao, he has wolf equity but I'm not going another day with this dynamic soz
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    Completed sup

  30. Day 4#7849

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    Completed yes

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#7841)
    do people actually want me to like try to make a confident arete read
    yes
  31. Day 4#7835

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    Completed i'm townreading $%#! like the underlined lmao

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy (#7806)
    To explain my vote on gorf, I just figured it would make people more readable to see how everyone postured around the wagon and in general I hate town complacency, and also cos I wanted to egg on yolo regardless of his alignment cos I found his lettuce post funny
    i'm townreading $%#! like the underlined

    lmao
  32. Day 4#7830

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    Completed yes ty I’m poking around your ISO, is there...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arete (#7801)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#7796)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arete (#7791)
    @YOLOSWAG

    do you want to like

    talk to me

    you seem to be really convinced I should be townreading you and I want to hear more about that because if you're a villager I've gone badly wrong somewhere
    Yeah I don't know. The main thing I've been struggling with with your alignment has been your interactions with katze. Your big post yesterday on them was nice but it hasn't felt like you've doubted katze much in the game? Like, you had a lot of places where you apparently sussed them but your in-game posts mostly seem a town read to the point of organizing a group therapy session?

    Not sure what I can ask you outside of that, you've been thorough elsewhere. mewtini too I guess but there's little info to work with there
    yeah I mean

    there have been a lot of individual points where I've doubted katze but none of them have stuck around lastingly

    did I explain that in a way that makes sense
    yes ty

    I’m poking around your ISO, is there any where you outline extended thoughts on jpic? I saw a post of yours talking about his placement on your list, looking for something to chew on

    I’ll be straight with you: I think you’re going over today and if you flip V we’re officially in deep wolf world cuz I’m town

    so I’m like, trying to get thoughts from a similarly poe’d person in the event that you’re town cuz I’m prepping for worst case scenario and I feel town has been mostly complacent today
  33. Day 4#7819

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    Completed game feels weird cuz consensus poe is...

    game feels weird cuz consensus poe is me/Arete/katze, ive been saying wolf in them since like d1 but im getting poe’d despite not making sense with them and….everyone seems to mostly be fine with it

    not sure what to do outside of that, if there’s a villager in them then yeah that’s rough af with this trajectory lmao
  34. Day 4#7814

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    Completed I mean I’m simply a villager for coming in...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arete (#7791)
    you seem to be really convinced I should be townreading you and I want to hear more about that because if you're a villager I've gone badly wrong somewhere
    I mean

    I’m simply a villager for coming in eod1 like “i think we should kill ephe/sk lul” and not really giving a $%#! about the eod of past that. perspective there makes way more sense as a villager than wolf imo
  35. Day 4#7805

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    Completed lmao

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#7799)
    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#7792)
    and i know you're Saying that you're not 100% sure but like

    i feel like your actions show a lot less paranoia than your words
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#7796)
    Your big post yesterday on them was nice but it hasn't felt like you've doubted katze much in the game?
    👀





    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#7797)
    I seem to be reading this game differently than others, I thought every flipped wolf was an obvious kill who was never going to endgame in a million years and thus busing material but people are trying to flex towncred off killing them
    i think ive defended all of the flipped wolves at some point wheres my cred
    lmao
  36. Day 4#7802

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    Completed this is not accurate as to your wolf game imo but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gorf (#7798)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#7793)
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorf (#7787)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#7782)
    Objectively: do you really think you're out of range here?
    bro its been so long since ive played a proper wolf game that answering one way or another would be difficult.

    i think itd be out of my wolfrange to treat kaif the way i did by the fact that i didnt try getting in a similar position as c4 did on him. if you remember my scum game, im down to bus early and bus hard if i think one of my mates’ posts look like they aint living to see lylo. and with tmi, kaif was obviously going over one Day from like his entrance lmfao
    I don't think you're out of range and I'm kinda surprised you disagree because I'm pretty sure we've both seen you play more villagery games as a wolf

    to be fair, it has been a while

    Why were you asking me yesterday if my peek on Wisdom was real?
    like i said, im not sure if im out of range. i think im out of shape and now my town game has just gotten significantly better since we played in swf, and my wolf game used to be partially founded on how well i can emulate my mediocre town game. give me like 3 wolf rands and ill probably be nasty with it again, but im not sure i can navigate kaif the way i did if i was a wolf here. i think id be much more eager to be on the right side of history sooner

    i was asking cuz i didnt take your peek claim as laying cover, i took it as a joat claim. and then katze was tryna hard claim joat, so i was getting ready to rally people up and call her bluff. then she rescinded, which is when i said nvm about that
    this is not accurate as to your wolf game imo but can just be a difference of perception

    meh

    ##Unvote
  37. Day 4#7797

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    Completed I seem to be reading this game differently than...

    I seem to be reading this game differently than others, I thought every flipped wolf was an obvious kill who was never going to endgame in a million years and thus busing material but people are trying to flex towncred off killing them
  38. Day 4#7796

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    Completed Yeah I don't know. The main thing I've been...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arete (#7791)
    @YOLOSWAG

    do you want to like

    talk to me

    you seem to be really convinced I should be townreading you and I want to hear more about that because if you're a villager I've gone badly wrong somewhere
    Yeah I don't know. The main thing I've been struggling with with your alignment has been your interactions with katze. Your big post yesterday on them was nice but it hasn't felt like you've doubted katze much in the game? Like, you had a lot of places where you apparently sussed them but your in-game posts mostly seem a town read to the point of organizing a group therapy session?

    Not sure what I can ask you outside of that, you've been thorough elsewhere. mewtini too I guess but there's little info to work with there
  39. Day 4#7793

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    Completed I don't think you're out of range and I'm kinda...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gorf (#7787)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#7782)
    Objectively: do you really think you're out of range here?
    bro its been so long since ive played a proper wolf game that answering one way or another would be difficult.

    i think itd be out of my wolfrange to treat kaif the way i did by the fact that i didnt try getting in a similar position as c4 did on him. if you remember my scum game, im down to bus early and bus hard if i think one of my mates’ posts look like they aint living to see lylo. and with tmi, kaif was obviously going over one Day from like his entrance lmfao
    I don't think you're out of range and I'm kinda surprised you disagree because I'm pretty sure we've both seen you play more villagery games as a wolf

    to be fair, it has been a while

    Why were you asking me yesterday if my peek on Wisdom was real?
  40. Day 4#7782

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    Completed mm iight i'ma think on this Objectively: do...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gorf (#7769)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#7759)
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorf (#7755)
    that umm requires you to umm show me something to umm show you where youre umm wrong

    im still waiting
    im asking you who the wolves are

    i'm mostly sussing you for defending keith. I thought your aggression towards me was over the top, I'm taking a second look at the ephe $%#! now. Why did you get so aggressive with us?
    do better. i didnt defend keith, i iso’d him and came out with a townlean at best and decided i wasnt really interested in yeeting him d1. notice how d2 i came out voting eph and went straight away into asking keith to follow up with me on his eph read. i wanted something on him d1 and wanted to follow up with it later down the line.

    idk who “us” is. i got aggressive with you because you shouldnt be this bad at reading me and frankly your play has gotten worse and worse since eod2. ive been tryna hold onto my find on you by eod2 but youre not giving me a lot to work with, and to see you coming for me now means you are either a wolf that realizes town’s read on me could be flimsy enough to not hold onto and your team needs to make town make a big misplay if you have any hopes of winning, or youre town and youre actually just throwing the game by tinfoiling me here. you shouldve been had me solved.

    who are the wolves? short answer: i dont have a clear answer.

    long answer:

    occam’s razor seems to suggest there has to be a wolf in arete/katze

    i think happy is very villagery and i agree with ryker that he doesnt make sense with katze from sod2, but i can see him with arete in that world.

    mewt, im having a hard time valuing the spew with flipped wolves but from what there is i think it favors mewt being a villager more than not

    youre really making a case for yourself being a wolf rn but youre jailkept so id rather find your mate if youre a goon, and id rather hold onto hope that that fat $%#! wall i made calling you a villager yesterDay wasnt for naught

    but i think the idea that arete/katze is v/v is certainly possible, and i think yours, mewt’s, jpic’s and happy’s wolf equity rises to varying degrees

    i dont think i ever rescind on ryker cuz its not ryker, and i dont think i ever rescind on c4 cuz i believe in the spew arguments for him stronger than anyone else and hes been hella hella towny. jpic i shouldnt really backpedal on, but if arete and katze are villagers its just a numbers game.
    mm iight i'ma think on this

    Objectively: do you really think you're out of range here?
  41. Day 4#7779

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    Completed This VC just points more to a wolf in arete/katze

    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#7676)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#7672)
    Retrospective Day 2 Votecount as of Post #5753

    Post #5753 was originally posted at 7:38 PM EDT on Friday, November 5th, 2021.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    5 Ephemera Wisdom (69), staypositivefriend (175), Gorf (124), Wisp (114), Happy (156)
    5 Arete mewtini (14), iaafr (222), JohnCarter (186), Mistyx (39), YOLOSWAG (107)
    4 JohnCarter Ryker (156), Arete (87), tessepia (206), katze (225)
    2 SilverKeith c4e5g3d5 (113), Justplayingitcool (87)
    1 staypositivefriend SilverKeith (15)
    1 Not voting Ephemera (83)

    View Vote History

    Requested by Justplayingitcool.
    I think this vote count just reinforces how i feel about gorf, kept the wagon going and could have moved over to johncarter if he wanted to

    Probably also a good look for happy, but think he’s only a wolf if Arete is one

    Also wondering if a wolf is in the jc wagon
    This VC just points more to a wolf in arete/katze
  42. Day 4#7771

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    Completed oh gorf's only gotten aggressive twice this...

    Quote Originally Posted by tessepia (#7766)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#7765)
    Quote Originally Posted by tessepia (#7764)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#7763)
    I'm still waiting for you to do literally anything to help the town today tbh
    I agree you should case Arete lol
    uh, why? I'm not even convinced they're a wolf
    Er, Gorf I mean

    Yea idc about the Arete one much
    oh

    gorf's only gotten aggressive twice this game: 1) towards me d1 and 2) towards ephe d2. I don't understand the aggression so I'm wondering if the latter was a result of knowledge of ephe's alignment

    if gorf is town i'm not really a fan of jpic's posts today, just seem pockety towards gorf/opportunistic af towards me. his solve being me/mewtini is bizarre, not sure if just a joke

    most likely there is a wolf in arete/katze tho and i just say $%#! it and kill one of them tomorrow. my push on gorf here was mainly to engage him on some qualms i had and get some reactions, i did not expect town to lose their $%#! over it lmao
  43. Day 4#7765

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    Completed uh, why? I'm not even convinced they're a wolf

    Quote Originally Posted by tessepia (#7764)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#7763)
    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#7725)
    I'm still waiting for Yolo's Arete case tbh
    I'm still waiting for you to do literally anything to help the town today tbh
    I agree you should case Arete lol
    uh, why? I'm not even convinced they're a wolf
  44. Day 4#7763

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    Completed I'm still waiting for you to do literally...

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#7725)
    I'm still waiting for Yolo's Arete case tbh
    I'm still waiting for you to do literally anything to help the town today tbh
  45. Day 4#7759

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    Completed im asking you who the wolves are i'm mostly...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gorf (#7755)
    that umm requires you to umm show me something to umm show you where youre umm wrong

    im still waiting
    im asking you who the wolves are

    i'm mostly sussing you for defending keith. I thought your aggression towards me was over the top, I'm taking a second look at the ephe $%#! now. Why did you get so aggressive with us?
  46. Day 4#7754

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    Completed yall are so wild the worst part is i can't get...

    yall are so wild

    the worst part is i can't get even shot in this game
  47. Day 4#7751

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    Completed are......you considering that ryker is wolfing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#7643)
    Having a wolf in yolo or ryker would be great due to it clearing the other
    are......you considering that ryker is wolfing here?
  48. Day 4#7748

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    Completed I think katze/Arete holds a wolf and you don't...

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy (#7745)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#7744)
    I was getting there on Arete but can't every time they do that

    Right now I think the team is katze/Gorf. I'ma pull some Gorf posts, katze is just by virtue of everyone else being more villagery and if they're voting me at this juncture they can die

    I also think Happy is town now
    what sold you over on me?
    I think katze/Arete holds a wolf and you don't look aligned with either of them, also some emotion you've shown at certain times feels okay
  49. Day 4#7746

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    Completed If I'm wrong, show me where, o master

    Quote Originally Posted by Gorf (#7611)
    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#7573)




    swag

    ##Vote ##Vote ##Vote ##Vote Gorf
    Is this a wolf claim or do you just suck?
    If I'm wrong, show me where, o master
  50. Day 4#7744

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    Completed I was getting there on Arete but can't every time...

    I was getting there on Arete but can't every time they do that

    Right now I think the team is katze/Gorf. I'ma pull some Gorf posts, katze is just by virtue of everyone else being more villagery and if they're voting me at this juncture they can die

    I also think Happy is town now
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