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    Thread: Serenes Forest Invitational

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    Completed Y'all seem pretty cool Hopefully I get to see...

    Y'all seem pretty cool

    Hopefully I get to see y'all again in a game I can, like, actually play lmao
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    Completed glgl

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    Completed I hope for all your sakes this is a PR and I...

    I hope for all your sakes this is a PR and I misread it but I'm really not feeling it tbqh
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    Completed I won't stop you from voting with intent to kill...

    I won't stop you from voting with intent to kill but rands don't give us much to work with
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    Completed I hate rands and might well just break it tbh

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea (#2490)
    To let it rand or not hm...
    I hate rands and might well just break it tbh
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    Completed Blergh idk barely even got to play because...

    Blergh idk

    barely even got to play because vacation/moving
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    Completed ^

    Quote Originally Posted by primordial woopons (#2481)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea (#2479)
    Quote Originally Posted by primordial woopons (#2475)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea (#2472)
    You both are very entertaining.
    wait who do you think is scum again?
    I have a town core and part of it just got mod killed so I'm fine voting outside it. Don't really have a scum team set.
    are you willing to share your towncore?
    ^
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    Completed Why does scum Athena on two votes OMGUS a partner...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#2471)
    Retrospective Day 1 Votecount as of Post #522

    Post #522 was originally posted at 9:14 AM EDT on Wednesday, August 19th, 2020.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    4 Makaze ariadne, Shinori, Paperblade, primordial woopons
    3 ariadne Chelsea, Bartozio, Makaze
    2 Dunnstral Magnificence Incarnate, YOLOSWAG
    2 Athena_57 Ampharos, fairyjigglypuff
    2 Chelsea BBM, Dunnstral
    1 Ampharos supa2
    1 fairyjigglypuff Athena_57
    2 Not voting SullyMcGully, orangeandblack5

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    Requested by orangeandblack5.
    Why does scum Athena on two votes OMGUS a partner here

    I know it was a ways from deadline but like

    There are several options that draw less attention than OMGUSing a partner

    dude if there weren't PR's with a license to bus I'd be vetoing this so hard
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    Completed Thanks I try my best

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea (#2472)
    You both are very entertaining.
    Thanks I try my best
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    Completed View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#522)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#519)
    I'm going to do some ISO's before I vote but for now:

    Makaze still looks pushable but I kinda want the people on him ot do that bc rn it's mostly jus shinori
    Ariadne is a bad push imo, idt Bart is insincere but I feel like hehasn't reacted to the stuff posted overnigth yet so i'm kinda curious where that goes

    Dunn/Claire wagons I have no strong opinion yet one bc I find those two hard to read on a skim, so I'm going to ISO both

    Might join one of those if I like the cases on them, might vote FJP if I don't
    Yeah idk I don't feel super strongly about either the dunn or the claire wagon. Cases on claire look like they come from a good place but I overall like what she's been doing. I could sheep Marth's vote on Dunn for voteparking but I feel stronger about fjp and kinda like him voting claire. He'd be my second choice but I'm down to do this until I see where he takes his Claire read.

    ##Vote fairyjigglypuff
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    Completed Yeah that holds :(

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1178)
    Serenes Forest Invitational Day 1 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    7 Athena_57 fairyjigglypuff (22), Ampharos (146), Makaze (81), YOLOSWAG (63), ariadne (32), primordial woopons (58), BBM (26)
    3 Makaze Shinori (85), supa2 (102), Paperblade (116)
    3 Dunnstral Magnificence Incarnate (56), Bartozio (24), Chelsea (94)
    2 ariadne SullyMcGully (13), Fenrir (24)
    1 Chelsea Dunnstral (149)
    1 Bartozio Athena_57 (62)


    View Vote History

    Athena_57 was eliminated. They were: Mafia Goon.
    Role PM for Serenes Forest

    You are Mafia Goon. You win when you overpower the Town and are the only evil faction remaining.

    As Mafia, you have access to the Factional Night Kill Night Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

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    Day 1 has ended.

    Day 1 ended at 8:00 PM EDT on Thursday, August 20th, 2020.
    Yeah that holds
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    Completed No $%#!ing idea tbh I think in my heart of...

    Quote Originally Posted by primordial woopons (#2467)
    alright orange you're towncore now, what do you want to do?
    No $%#!ing idea

    tbh I think in my heart of hearts I see at least one of supa/pb/claire/mak taking the marth kill N1 because why would a scumteam full of slankers leave the entire highposting crew alive

    actually lemme check D1 postcounts to be sure that holds

    the other issue is the dead town I've had time to read all townread supa/pb/mak so that really only leaves me one option

    the other issue is slankers in LyLo is a recipie for disaster but we get at least one either way
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    Completed Actually $%#! it that's defeatist cw hype choo...

    Actually $%#! it that's defeatist

    cw hype choo choo
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    Completed tbh I don't think we truly get one lol ...

    Quote Originally Posted by primordial woopons (#2463)
    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#2457)
    Where the hell is a counterwagon lol
    ##Vote SullyMcGully lets go
    tbh I don't think we truly get one lol

    appreciated tho
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    Completed Okay I know this isn't exact and at this point...

    Okay I know this isn't exact and at this point scum!FJP is getting bussed regardless but the only time supa and paper aren't leading a wagon is on the scum lynch

    Claire has been the counterwagon to every town lynch

    both "non-w/w" people w/ claire were on her D3

    what does it mean
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    Completed so the threat variety then neato

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#2454)
    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#2447)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#2443)
    if it's not fjp that puts orange back in the poe

    assuming amy was right that is
    Is this a threat for after fjp flips or indivative of you trying to think of an alternative now

    Because I'm on board with one of those and less so with the other
    i'm leaving a legacy in case i eat the nk
    so the threat variety then neato
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    Completed Where the hell is a counterwagon lol

    Where the hell is a counterwagon lol
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    Completed This is $%#!ing bizarre lmao one sec let me...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#2449)
    Serenes Forest Invitational Day 4 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    5 fairyjigglypuff Paperblade (10), supa2 (67), Chelsea (21), primordial woopons (34), Makaze (82)
    1 SullyMcGully orangeandblack5 (114)
    3 Not voting SullyMcGully (0), ariadne (12), fairyjigglypuff (10)

    View Vote History

    Day 4 ends at 8:00 PM EDT on Sunday, August 30th, 2020. There are 1598832060000 remaining.
    This is $%#!ing bizarre lmao

    one sec let me quantify this
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    Completed we live those so go ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by primordial woopons (#2448)
    feel like i'm converging towards an orange scumread here
    we live those so go ahead
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    Completed Is this a threat for after fjp flips or...

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#2443)
    if it's not fjp that puts orange back in the poe

    assuming amy was right that is
    Is this a threat for after fjp flips or indivative of you trying to think of an alternative now

    Because I'm on board with one of those and less so with the other
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    Completed Frankly I don't buy that's explicitly non-partners

    Frankly I don't buy that's explicitly non-partners
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    Completed dammit why is my internet so bad EBWOP

    dammit why is my internet so bad
    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#2438)
    Quote Originally Posted by ariadne (#2435)
    i think it's at least one of claire/sully favoring claire, if it's not fjp we are legit $%#!ed, and if it's not both of claire sully then it's probably one of you or orange with like... paranoid option being supa but i doubt it
    Ain't me
    EBWOP
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    Completed Ain't me

    Quote Originally Posted by ariadne (#2435)
    i think it's at least one of claire/sully favoring claire, if it's not fjp we are legit $%#!ed, and if it's not both of claire sully then it's probably one of you or orange with like... paranoid option being supa but i doubt it
    Ain't me
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    Completed *Sully

    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#2436)
    Also why can't it be Claire/S
    *Sully
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    Completed Also why can't it be Claire/S

    Also why can't it be Claire/S
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    Completed I don't feel good about this but I don't have the...

    I don't feel good about this but I don't have the context to feel comfortable vetoing it either bleh
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    Completed Mak that post says he'll miss D3 and be back D4 ...

    Mak that post says he'll miss D3 and be back D4

    it is currently D4
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    Completed Anyways just checked the vote history and every...

    Anyways just checked the vote history and every vote on Chelsea this entire game is within dead town, supa, Mak, pb, and then ariadne

    sure maybe we have a deepwolf amongst supa/paper/Mak but if I sheep dead town's reads that's incredibly pure
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    Completed Unless you think I could read 32 pages in 30...

    Quote Originally Posted by primordial woopons (#2413)
    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#2012)
    been reading up, currently on page 32, and this is obvscum

    ##Vote Chelsea
    what did you mean by this then?
    Unless you think I could read 32 pages in 30 minutes, it might be a safe bet it was a joke
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    Completed Oh and YOLO's ISO Bart's is on my list, haven't...

    Oh and YOLO's ISO
    Bart's is on my list, haven't done Tracker yet
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    Completed Amy's ISO Sully's ISO FJP's ISO twice and their...

    Quote Originally Posted by primordial woopons (#2408)
    Quote Originally Posted by primordial woopons (#2313)
    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#2309)
    Quote Originally Posted by primordial woopons (#2306)
    @orangeandblack5 why are Shinori and Chelsea scum?
    Uh

    A combination of sheeping reads from dead town and voting patterns

    Like idk how inactive we think wolves can be while still going for a N1 kill on marth over the doc claim or amy/supa/pb/chelsea but I don't think it's super likely both mak and chelsea are town based on D1 votes

    Also shinori has come up a few times while I'm digging and rarely very positively

    I have no context and am in no position to backread the whole game but that's where I'm leaning after some VCs/ISOs that again do not include either of these players themselves
    What have you read of the game so far actually?
    @orangeandblack5
    Amy's ISO
    Sully's ISO
    FJP's ISO twice and their Marbleympics ISO
    Athena's ISO
    Marth's ISO
    D4 sans Shinori freakout
    Various votes
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    Completed idk if this is exactly allowed but I doubt I was...

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#2406)
    there is a minimum one post requirement
    idk if this is exactly allowed but I doubt I was the first-choice ask to sub into this game

    I don't know how many more people he has left lol
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    Completed ftr mak if all the dead town are wrong and you're...

    ftr mak if all the dead town are wrong and you're scum gg

    I don't think I ever second-guess basically all of them

    prolly not gonna have time to read shinori today, sorry
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    Completed Who tf is gonna sub into LyLo of this game lmao ...

    Who tf is gonna sub into LyLo of this game lmao

    I don't think he's being booted
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    Completed Maybe I'm off my rocker but this feels like a...

    Maybe I'm off my rocker but this feels like a better inactive lynch

    ##Vote SullyMcGully

    him saying he'll be back and not being back is not good in terms of making me think he was actually unaware of the game start because he's "not in wolf chat"

    It's possible he faked not knowing it was 48 hours on D2 but admittedly he would be staking a lot on fake towntells and very little else

    no idea if that's something he'd do or not
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    Completed Tempted to sheep FJP wagon based on sheeping dead...

    Tempted to sheep FJP wagon based on sheeping dead townies' townreads and just hoping it's them/Chelsea
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    Completed But what if I want to keep them :(

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#2388)
    But what if I want to keep them
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    Completed Sully has been on my list to get to Hopefully...

    Sully has been on my list to get to

    Hopefully I have time, almost at my apartment and gotta unload the car
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    Completed Okay but has it just felt like we've been barking...

    Quote Originally Posted by ariadne (#2383)
    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#2376)
    Question to people who have been here

    We've had two town lynches in a row

    Chelsea has been the counterwagon both times

    How has this felt? Does the game feel like town has been completely off since D1? Have things kinda just coasted to these lynches with no real movement between the wagons?
    frustrating
    Okay but has it just felt like we've been barking up the wrong trees? Or has it been more like we've actively been pushed towards the town lynches over Chelsea?
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    Completed This is True??? Which is really weird

    Quote Originally Posted by fairyjigglypuff (#2352)
    Quote Originally Posted by supa2 (#1788)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#513)
    FJP's string of posts is not good. Only sumleans are makaze/me which is p opportunistic

    He just goes "Ye, that 6 man stack on makaze, idk but i can see it maybe", throws a lazy vote on me, states like one townread and peaces out
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#519)
    I'm going to do some ISO's before I vote but for now:

    Makaze still looks pushable but I kinda want the people on him ot do that bc rn it's mostly jus shinori
    Ariadne is a bad push imo, idt Bart is insincere but I feel like hehasn't reacted to the stuff posted overnigth yet so i'm kinda curious where that goes

    Dunn/Claire wagons I have no strong opinion yet one bc I find those two hard to read on a skim, so I'm going to ISO both

    Might join one of those if I like the cases on them, might vote FJP if I don't
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#522)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#519)
    I'm going to do some ISO's before I vote but for now:

    Makaze still looks pushable but I kinda want the people on him ot do that bc rn it's mostly jus shinori
    Ariadne is a bad push imo, idt Bart is insincere but I feel like hehasn't reacted to the stuff posted overnigth yet so i'm kinda curious where that goes

    Dunn/Claire wagons I have no strong opinion yet one bc I find those two hard to read on a skim, so I'm going to ISO both

    Might join one of those if I like the cases on them, might vote FJP if I don't
    Yeah idk I don't feel super strongly about either the dunn or the claire wagon. Cases on claire look like they come from a good place but I overall like what she's been doing. I could sheep Marth's vote on Dunn for voteparking but I feel stronger about fjp and kinda like him voting claire. He'd be my second choice but I'm down to do this until I see where he takes his Claire read.

    ##Vote fairyjigglypuff
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#834)
    So yeah I stand by my statement that FJP's entry was super opportunistic and shallow
    Not feeling the town!bart that I usually feel when we play
    If I had to pick someone in the claire/yolo/dunn group it's dunn but I'm not sold on there being a scum in there
    Mak/Shino both scummy, mak is worse

    idk if i want to share townreads beyond the 3 lowposters i mentioned

    Those are the lazy scumreads, effort scumreads are probably in my nullpool but i dont rly want to look there yet until we get interactions
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#836)
    Quote Originally Posted by Paperblade (#799)
    I should read through the counting boys + fjp
    you better not be counting me as part of the counting boys
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#851)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#850)
    uhh hashed it out quickly bc my laptop notified me it's resetting for updates soon but ill see if i can get out more

    fjp votes disappearing is sad but natural given that he's afk
    and also I lowkey forgot the amy wagon even was a thing so ig ill check why that happened and disappeared
    That mention of liking FJP for voting claire even though he said 'yeah I kinda like claire' is so $%#!ing weird lol. Maybe you're on to something
    uhh i never voted claire much less even expressed suspicion on them
    This is

    True???

    Which is really weird
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    Completed Note this does not mean I endorse the FJP wagon ...

    Note this does not mean I endorse the FJP wagon

    It's just if it is a hit we should look at Chelsea next imo
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    Completed Yeah I think if we flip FJP and they're scum...

    Quote Originally Posted by fairyjigglypuff (#1919)
    ok ive been absolutely canned the last few days
    will have more time in the next few days; sorry everyone
    Quote Originally Posted by fairyjigglypuff (#1922)
    i have 15 minutes
    i get the chelsea wagon based on stuff from previous gamedays but can someone give me a tldr of the bart wagon
    Quote Originally Posted by fairyjigglypuff (#1934)
    Quote Originally Posted by Paperblade (#1926)
    Quote Originally Posted by fairyjigglypuff (#1922)
    i have 15 minutes
    i get the chelsea wagon based on stuff from previous gamedays but can someone give me a tldr of the bart wagon
    jumped on the dunn wagon kind of suddenly when it pushed it over the other wagons when he was scumreading them more until that point
    tunneled claire D2 onward and hasn't really updated his reads or felt like he was trying to gamesolve
    ok sure sold
    ##Vote Bartozio
    Yeah I think if we flip FJP and they're scum (likely PR) I probably always go for Chelsea next
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    Completed I'm again caught on the idea that FJP not voting...

    I'm again caught on the idea that FJP not voting there is only notable if Chelsea is scum too?

    Like if it's T/T I think FJP just votes
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    Completed Question to people who have been here We've...

    Question to people who have been here

    We've had two town lynches in a row

    Chelsea has been the counterwagon both times

    How has this felt? Does the game feel like town has been completely off since D1? Have things kinda just coasted to these lynches with no real movement between the wagons?
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    Completed idk I don't think scum really needs to force a...

    idk

    I don't think scum really needs to force a case on a townie there unless you are suggesting exactly FJP/Chelsea as scum
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    Completed Is it this one what's the issue clearly it...

    Quote Originally Posted by fairyjigglypuff (#1529)
    fjp here
    i just woke up and i have class starting in a few minutes
    i havent had time to continue the deep reread i was doing
    didnt like yolo's reaction to my fen case
    just made a surface level comment on it and then kinda walked back his earlier sr of fen by saying he's "better than marbleympics"
    but like yolo's team didnt even vote fen in that game
    i didnt comb over that thread to see if they hard sr'd fen at any point but like
    the "better than marbleympics" statement just sounds disingenuous
    also saw a post from them sod2 saying bbm should never have been the vig shot but like
    i didn't see yolo criticizing the shot when amy called for it eod1
    not a good look

    ##Vote YOLOSWAG
    Is it this one

    what's the issue

    clearly it was a bad take but I don't see anything immediately wrong

    lemme check voting context?
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    Completed Honestly Tracker shoulda just claimed if they...

    Honestly Tracker shoulda just claimed if they were consensus Vig target
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    Completed Bolded in particular is like why sink a...

    Quote Originally Posted by fairyjigglypuff (#452)
    ok fully caught up
    re: makaze - in the post i quoted earlier + the next few posts its obvious they’re actively looking for aggressivity in chelsea, even though chelsea’s subsequent posts (or the ones before) arent really even all that aggressive
    just has some words and phrases that can be taken as aggressive in a vacuum
    its like they’re only looking for things that corroborate their chelsea read and disregarding everything else
    but
    i think makaze’s push on shinori’s vote derp is whatever, and if anything i dont see the walkback as scummy
    readslist (save for the vague doubledown on chelsea) doesnt seem like a pile of bull$%#! either
    shinori brushing off the readslist is also a bad look
    at the very least the interaction between makaze/shinori doesnt seem like scumscum
    and makaze is either town on a bad tunnel on chelsea or scum trying to find an easy miselim
    and failing
    idk which is true
    meh

    chelsea’s nonchalance regarding the whole matter is super towny tho

    re: athena - +1 to what others have said regarding the vote + nonpush + unvote on mackc2
    but also like
    what kind of town player goes and says “just answer only to what i asked”
    even though mack’s posts were a clear attempt at gamesolving and is at least tangentially relevant to the discussion at hand
    this is tonally distinct from how town would’ve prodded mack to answer the question

    ##Vote Athena_57
    Bolded in particular is like

    why sink a partner so strongly and then dip on D1 in a game with a Vig, a Doc, and whatever the other thing is

    I guess there is actually an argument it could be viable for a scum PR to do so I'll keep that in mind

    but I highly doubt FJP is a goon at least

    curse PRs tbh
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    Completed Don't know what exactly you're talking about but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#2366)
    how do you explain the yolo thing?
    Don't know what exactly you're talking about but I'll probably get there

    Rn I'm just re-reading the iso and this feels about right
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    Completed they did the same thing with athena I...

    they did the same thing with athena

    Quote Originally Posted by fairyjigglypuff (#447)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#331)
    @mackc2 fyi I'm less interested in whether u agree with the votes and more if u think the pushes are genuine or not
    hwat kind of post is this
    I don't really know how experienced fjp is at fm in particular but they're pretty inactive and I'd be a bit impressed if they still manage to lead into things this naturally while barely even playing
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