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  1. Postgame#3264

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    Completed extremely wp by all the wolves but special...

    extremely wp by all the wolves but special shoutout to pb for hard bamboozling me

    mak also played v well but i think the fact that i'm super willing to accept your moon logic as coming from town!mak is potentially something to be worked on lmao

    thanks to everyone who played/subbed in, was super glad that this thing actually happened even amidst a rocky midgame

    there will be more to come, for sure
  2. Day 3#2001

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    Completed weirdchamp eod from mak tbh

    weirdchamp eod from mak tbh
  3. Day 3#1997

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    Completed please please PLEASE play the game tomorrow if...

    please please PLEASE play the game tomorrow if I'm not around
  4. Day 3#1995

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    Completed well i guess we're doin it then?

    well i guess we're doin it then?
  5. Day 3#1992

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    Completed timer

  6. Day 3#1990

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    Completed legacy dont touch: paper supa probably out...

    legacy

    dont touch:
    paper supa

    probably out of poe
    mak woopons

    sort these
    ria fenrir shino claire

    upper poe
    sully

    lower poe
    fjp bart
  7. Day 3#1985

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    Completed you have missed a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinori (#1982)
    Didn't multiple people say bart was spewed town?
    you have missed a lot
  8. Day 3#1984

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    Completed oh mak you're $%#!ing dense i spent ages...

    oh

    mak you're $%#!ing dense i spent ages talking about reasons to dunk fjp last night
  9. Day 3#1973

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    Completed mak nobody is TRYING to dunk fen what are you...

    mak nobody is TRYING to dunk fen what are you even on about
  10. Day 3#1972

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    Completed if bart flips red i rescind my tr of mak

    if bart flips red i rescind my tr of mak
  11. Day 3#1969

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    Completed bart's asleep timezones

    Quote Originally Posted by supa2 (#1966)
    Idk Bart seemed anti spew the fact he ain't here
    bart's asleep

    timezones
  12. Day 3#1968

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    Completed literally no one except you has talked about fen...

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#1963)
    ##Vote fairyjigglypuff

    Prefer this to fen
    literally no one except you has talked about fen this eod
  13. Day 3#1961

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    Completed it feels like claire is town but it also feels...

    it feels like claire is town

    but it also feels like fjp is voting to save claire
  14. Day 3#1957

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    Completed I'm mobile locked for eod btw dont expect...

    I'm mobile locked for eod btw

    dont expect walls or heavy backreading
  15. Day 3#1956

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    Completed dunno trying to parse drive-by fjp vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperblade (#1953)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#1949)
    sudden paranoia about 6 vote bart wagon
    who would you want to switch to then?
    dunno

    trying to parse drive-by fjp vote
  16. Day 3#1954

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    Completed but probably just fjp

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#1952)
    if this flips green I'm back on claire/fjp
    but probably just fjp
  17. Day 3#1952

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    Completed if this flips green I'm back on claire/fjp

    if this flips green I'm back on claire/fjp
  18. Day 3#1949

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    Completed sudden paranoia about 6 vote bart wagon

    sudden paranoia about 6 vote bart wagon
  19. Day 3#1944

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    Completed what alignment is she in those games

    Quote Originally Posted by supa2 (#1940)
    A majority of my games with Claire are me paranoid sorta scum reading her to full on then she does something tonally pure and i rescind the thought entirely

    Wouldn't be shocked if this is another one of those games
    what alignment is she in those games
  20. Day 3#1935

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    Completed i would rather vote bart than sully rip prims

    i would rather vote bart than sully

    rip prims
  21. Day 3#1925

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    Completed claire actually v lmao

    claire actually v lmao
  22. Day 3#1915

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    Completed i actually believe this

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea (#1912)
    Although I do laugh at the fact people just put me in any random team like it’s obvious but that’s more for me then anyway else.

    Although if I was on a scumteam with Sully I’d bus him so I don’t have to deal with him
    i actually believe this
  23. Day 3#1911

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    Completed https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/45662394158...



    sorry this is very distracting
  24. Day 3#1905

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    Completed what do you think of bart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea (#1904)
    I want ria dead after me. Probably my own selfish request.
    what do you think of bart?
  25. Day 3#1903

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    Completed i have no idea how close athena and sully are

    i have no idea how close athena and sully are
  26. Day 3#1902

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    Completed https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/45662394158...



    she's solving the game
  27. Day 3#1895

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    Completed do you think it's possible that sully legit afk'd...

    do you think it's possible that sully legit afk'd 2 days as a wolf? could be that nobody told him about wolfchat or something
  28. Day 3#1891

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    Completed mm, maybe not sully being super blatant if...

    mm, maybe not

    sully being super blatant if he's bart's partner

    dunno if that's the play
  29. Day 3#1890

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    Completed bart/sully/x

    Quote Originally Posted by SullyMcGully (#1888)
    Hello.

    I have like no time to make this post, but here goes:

    I have disliked Claire since D2.

    She still hasn't told me why she was scumreading me yesterday. Feels so much like she's setting me up to look like her partner.

    My D2 cases against Claire still stand. I expressed doubt at the beginning of D3 because I wanted to make sure people thought it over instead of blindly lynching her though.

    I don't like Bart's move to suddenly start scumreading me after he became a viable wagon. Feels like he's just trying to pocket Makaze. I'm not 100% sold on him being scum though. My townread on him from D2 hasn't been negated entirely. But yeah, he's playing really weak.

    It's gonna suck if the one game where I don't tunnel on Bart is the one where he's actually scum.

    I'm keeping my vote where it is, but honestly, I trust Amy/Supa/PB more than myself so if they want to swing, I'm okay with FJP or Bart lynches. The only person outside of the universal towncore that I strongly townread is Makaze. Claire is the scummiest of the remaining players, but of course, she's not the only scum.

    i have to leave now bye
    bart/sully/x
  30. Day 3#1889

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    Completed we have 2 freebies left, which means i need a PoE...

    we have 2 freebies left, which means i need a PoE of 5 to lock

    if i clear pb, supa, mak, woopons... and 2/3 of [ria/fenrir/shino]

    that leaves a claire/bart/fjp/sully/[ria/fenrir/shino] PoE

    which, if i'm not misclearing someone, would be game-winning, if i was confident on that group of 3

    but if there's a wolf in there, i'm not sure who it is

    claire flipping v might actually give ria decent equity

    scary thought
  31. Day 3#1886

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    Completed it sure doesn't feel like there are 12 people...

    it sure doesn't feel like there are 12 people alive rn
  32. Day 3#1885

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    Completed but you could have anime hair

    but you could have anime hair
  33. Day 3#1881

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    Completed final overall game thoughts pre-death

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#1880)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#1876)
    Was hoping supa would leave a legacy. Ah well.

    I will be leaving a legacy and would encourage Paperblade to do so as well.
    What is a legacy
    final overall game thoughts pre-death
  34. Day 3#1878

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    Completed my natural hair color's finally starting to grow...

    my natural hair color's finally starting to grow back in

    it's a nicer brown than i remembered

    thanks quarantine
  35. Day 3#1877

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    Completed i'm curious about em

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#1875)
    Reasons
    i'm curious about em
  36. Day 3#1876

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    Completed Was hoping supa would leave a legacy. Ah well. ...

    Was hoping supa would leave a legacy. Ah well.

    I will be leaving a legacy and would encourage Paperblade to do so as well.
  37. Day 3#1871

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    Completed Half the game sleepwalks into a Claire dunk and...

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#1867)
    What happens if Bartozio is town?
    Half the game sleepwalks into a Claire dunk and we pray it's correct, probably.
  38. Day 3#1866

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    Completed Alright. My towncore wants Bart, I'll sit on...

    Alright. My towncore wants Bart, I'll sit on Bart.

    Hoping Paperblade comes back for final discussion.

    Hoping everyone comes back for final discussion but we can't have nice things, I guess.
  39. Day 3#1863

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    Completed I would like to use my one-shot universal backup...

    I would like to use my one-shot universal backup to back up Marth's vigilante.
  40. Day 3#1862

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    Completed Yeah, I'm kind of leaning there too. I think...

    Yeah, I'm kind of leaning there too.

    I think his Claire read is very, like... procedural. "I am townreading Claire. OK, I am now scumreading Claire. Ergo, I will vote Claire." It's clean in a way I associate with wolf progressions; think I already used the term Point A -> Point B but that's what it feels like. something about plinko boards and waterfalls

    And there's a bit of a "what do you want from me" aspect to p#1856.
  41. Day 3#1859

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    Completed SullyMcGully ariadne Fenrir fairyjigglypuff

  42. Day 3#1858

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    Completed supa, what do you think? frustrated villager or...

    supa, what do you think? frustrated villager or caught wolf?
  43. Day 3#1857

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    Completed I'm not asking you to vote someone for that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartozio (#1854)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#1848)
    Bart, here's my issue.

    I don't think you've ever tried to seriously evaluate your Claire push. You townread her D1, suddenly flipped to a scumread D2 off her EoD1 voting, and then have since added "didn't die D2" to your list of reasons to scumread her. This is a lazy progression, which is NAI, but I think the fact that you're trying to represent it as your strongest scumread and aren't fully cognizant of how lazy it is is sketchy.

    At no point today have you displayed any degree of paranoia that your Claire suspicion might be wrong. At no point have you attempt to find further reason to scumread her. At no point have you taken the jump to the second level of thinking, where you might start to critically evaluate WHY Claire as a wolf wouldn't have gotten voted yesterday.

    You're not actually thinking this push through, you're just marching along for #gamestate purposes, and if it's not wolf motivated I need you to prove it.

    ##Vote Bartozio
    My push is lazy because there's nothing to add. I could do a post by post of Claire not talking about the game, but what does that add?

    Claire not being voted yesterday is because scum prefers a town lynch and some townies were sure enough to apparently not bother. That conclusion is so obvious that stating it almost feels like an insult, because everyone who has played a few games gets that. Lynching people for that reason before a Claire lynch is ridiculous though, because it assumes the flip.
    I'm not asking you to vote someone for that reason before Claire flips. And obviously I know that's what the conclusion is.

    I'm saying you haven't applied any degree of deeper thought to it. You haven't looked at whether or not "wolves were voting YOLO" actually fits with how you're viewing the rest of the game as a whole. Your focus feels narrow.

    I don't need essays, I need a sign that you're legitimately thinking about Claire's alignment and not just trying to move from point A to point B.

    Gimme a confidence rating on Claire flipping scum, 1-10.
  44. Day 3#1848

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    Completed Bart, here's my issue. I don't think you've...

    Bart, here's my issue.

    I don't think you've ever tried to seriously evaluate your Claire push. You townread her D1, suddenly flipped to a scumread D2 off her EoD1 voting, and then have since added "didn't die D2" to your list of reasons to scumread her. This is a lazy progression, which is NAI, but I think the fact that you're trying to represent it as your strongest scumread and aren't fully cognizant of how lazy it is is sketchy.

    At no point today have you displayed any degree of paranoia that your Claire suspicion might be wrong. At no point have you attempt to find further reason to scumread her. At no point have you taken the jump to the second level of thinking, where you might start to critically evaluate WHY Claire as a wolf wouldn't have gotten voted yesterday.

    You're not actually thinking this push through, you're just marching along for #gamestate purposes, and if it's not wolf motivated I need you to prove it.

    ##Vote Bartozio
  45. Day 3#1845

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    Completed Sure, but... people itg have played with Fenrir...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartozio (#1842)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#1839)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartozio (#1837)
    @Ampharos I don't know fjp too well, but the case doesn't read tmi for me. Assuming Fenrir indeed always uses a lot of words to say nothing, not being convinced to scumread him for it, but being convinced to townread him for not doing it makes sense?
    Does the shift in confidence level wrt ability to read the slot not strike you as odd?

    FJP this game sounds like he has a legitimately solid grasp of Fenrir's meta and what to look for.

    FJP in Marblelympics says he "always winds up scumreading Fen" and basically punts on the slot.

    It's weird.
    But he always winds up scumreading him for the thing he's finally not doing here? Like, I'd agree with you if he was suddenly convinced of a scum read but... that's not what's happening here.
    Sure, but... people itg have played with Fenrir before, right? I've played with Fenrir before. And I had a light tonal v read on his early stuff, but the wall didn't move me in either direction. Whatever FJP saw, I didn't see it until I actively went looking for it after the fact.

    That's why it sketches me so much.
  46. Day 3#1843

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    Completed Who's the third?

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#1841)
    I think there's a decent chance it's Sully/Claire and their wim is at zero
    Who's the third?
  47. Day 3#1839

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    Completed Does the shift in confidence level wrt ability to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartozio (#1837)
    @Ampharos I don't know fjp too well, but the case doesn't read tmi for me. Assuming Fenrir indeed always uses a lot of words to say nothing, not being convinced to scumread him for it, but being convinced to townread him for not doing it makes sense?
    Does the shift in confidence level wrt ability to read the slot not strike you as odd?

    FJP this game sounds like he has a legitimately solid grasp of Fenrir's meta and what to look for.

    FJP in Marblelympics says he "always winds up scumreading Fen" and basically punts on the slot.

    It's weird.
  48. Day 3#1838

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    Completed Mak, I read your case. I think you raise valid...

    Mak, I read your case.

    I think you raise valid points, but idk how sold I am. I agree that Sully's posts today are tonally pretty awful... but I don't know how much of that is Sully being Sully. The most salient actual point there is his weird treatment of you and Shino, I think; "one of them can be scum if they slip up" IS legitimately weird wording.

    I think there are some salient reasons to townread him too, though, which I've already discussed.

    I dunno. Wouldn't hate winding up voting there but I'm probably not gonna be the one to start the wagon. He's been one of the harder slots itg for me to really get a firm grip on reading - which I suspect is at least partially due to the average length of his posts, heh.
  49. Day 3#1836

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    Completed Was it? Mak/Dunn/Athena were 4/4/4 before Ria's...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea (#1828)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartozio (#1721)
    @Chelsea Well if you insist:
    Amy talked about it before, but after the Dunn claim Ria suddenly switched to the Athena wagon. If she's scum, why does she do this and get a buddy lynched instead of just staying put on the person she's been casing all day? Unless you think Makaze is also scum (in which case lets talk about that!) this seems suicidal for scum to me. Please share your thoughts on why you think we should lynch Ria anyway.
    The Athena wagon was going through with or without the ria vote. It was basically sealed before that. So I don’t think you should give credit for that and think you should look at her after my flip. If the wagon came down to Makaze/Athena in a w/v world it’d be suicidal to save Athena or at least try because it wasn’t like Athena would’ve lived long regardless with people like me/amph/yolo calling them wolf
    Was it? Mak/Dunn/Athena were 4/4/4 before Ria's vote.

    You can make an argument that the Dunn wagon was never going over short of a counterclaim, which is fair, but there were people around at EoD who theoretically could have been ok with a Makaze dunk. The idea that Athena dying was set in stone confuses me.
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    Completed bart gimme a readslist

    bart gimme a readslist
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