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    Completed GGWP Game went kinda off the rails bc of...

    GGWP

    Game went kinda off the rails bc of SF!townactivity, but was fun to play again if only for a bit. Would definitely be down to play another
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    Completed Magnificence Incarnate can you sell me on the...

    @Magnificence Incarnate

    can you sell me on the dunn wagon bc i like the people on there but nothing they've said about dunn is super damning in my eyes
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    Completed well u asked wagonomics but i gave u associatives...

    well u asked wagonomics but i gave u associatives bc i dont know how to read wagonomics i guess
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    Completed okay so if t/t wagons: i think dunn wagon is...

    okay so if t/t wagons:
    i think dunn wagon is clean, no point for scum to hardpush mak if it is, so 1/2 scum max there, mostly vanity wagoners
    s/s wagons
    whack that they're not voting eachother bc honestly they're doomed
    definitely the other 2 scum here are bussing or 1 bussing/ 1 afk

    mak s // dunn town
    uhhh idk maybe im wrong on my dunn wagon reads or maybe scum are stuck on a hard bus on makaze or ???

    mak t // dunn s
    couple (1/2/3) scum on mak wagon most likely, re-evaluate supa/weapons townreads, i should actually read pb/ari and shino scum is likely
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    Completed okay nm to say on the amy wagon just people...

    okay nm to say on the amy wagon just people hopping around
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    Completed fjp votes disappearing is sad but natural given...

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#850)
    uhh hashed it out quickly bc my laptop notified me it's resetting for updates soon but ill see if i can get out more
    fjp votes disappearing is sad but natural given that he's afk and also I lowkey forgot the amy wagon even was a thing so ig ill check why that happened and disappeared
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    Completed uhh hashed it out quickly bc my laptop notified...

    uhh hashed it out quickly bc my laptop notified me it's resetting for updates soon but ill see if i can get out more
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    Completed Magnificence Incarnate small thing your question...

    @Magnificence Incarnate
    small thing your question reminded me of is that I want to look at the vanity wagoners bc I think it's p likely we're voting in the main two wagons rn (maaaybe a swing to shinori but i rly doubt it) so if ur somewhere else and not commenting on the main ones it's pretty cringe

    anyway the around the vc at 776 it's pretty interesting that dunn is at 4, mak at 3 and then the double votes form supa/weapons swings it to where were now
    I don't really care for now bc i townlean both but esp weapons i could reconsider if dunn flips scum and/or mak town

    dunn wagon looks pretty crispy clean and i have a hard timing pickign a scum in there which is mhhh bc i would lean mak>dunn myself but yeah

    ariadne wagon is still not good and i dislike both mak/bart for it, both feel voteparky

    i actually have no clue what pb/ari said about mak recently so ill check on those and get back to you on the makaze wagon
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    Completed okay boss lemme think for a bit

    Quote Originally Posted by Magnificence Incarnate (#847)
    @Athena_57 Talk to me about the current wagonomics
    okay boss lemme think for a bit
  10. Day 1#842

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    Completed Bartozio ping me if u get on plz ty

    @Bartozio ping me if u get on plz ty
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    Completed Dunnstral where r u going if claire doesn't...

    @Dunnstral where r u going if claire doesn't happen whcih idt it will
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    Completed holy $%#! it;s a living person online at the same...

    holy $%#! it;s a living person online at the same time as me
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    Completed !!!!!!!! Bart hasn't used strikethorugh once...

    !!!!!!!!

    Bart hasn't used strikethorugh once this entire game

    lockscum
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    Completed you better not be counting me as part of the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperblade (#799)
    I should read through the counting boys + fjp
    you better not be counting me as part of the counting boys
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    Completed Bartozio vanity vanity vanity

    ##Vote Bartozio

    vanity vanity vanity
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    Completed So yeah I stand by my statement that FJP's entry...

    So yeah I stand by my statement that FJP's entry was super opportunistic and shallow
    Not feeling the town!bart that I usually feel when we play
    If I had to pick someone in the claire/yolo/dunn group it's dunn but I'm not sold on there being a scum in there
    Mak/Shino both scummy, mak is worse

    idk if i want to share townreads beyond the 3 lowposters i mentioned

    Those are the lazy scumreads, effort scumreads are probably in my nullpool but i dont rly want to look there yet until we get interactions
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    Completed Ik bart has barely been around so I don't expect...

    Ik bart has barely been around so I don't expect him to be in a massive postwar but I don't see him attempting to solve ari at all
  18. Day 1#832

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    Completed The vote initially is fine even if I disagree ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartozio (#302)
    Imagine sleeping through RVS and waking up to 300 posts to read... I can't believe I actually missed this.

    For what it's worth, from the one game I've played with the dude I can verify Makaze does soulreads, lol. Not super bothered by the Shinori vote, people overthink things, and Makaze is definitely one to do so. Not used to him overly defending himself though, so I'm okay with the wagon there. Don't see any need to add my vote on it though.

    ##Vote ariadne

    Going with this. Read through the ISO (which is a really nice site feature, not gonna lie) and she reads very... distant from the game if that makes sense. Been around when things were happening, but the only game related posts I see are a small remark on Makaze and an explanation that her vote is actually real now after people commenting on it. Reads like clear coasting to me.
    The vote initially is fine even if I disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartozio (#485)
    Some quick comments:

    I think 247 is a fairly normal comment to make at that point as well, but my issue is that it's the only comment they make about Makaze there. Like, Ria is scumreading them for apparently that interaction alone (or at least it's what they gave as a reason for the vote, so it's the main thing), yet when it's happening and straight after they say nothing about it? And only when someone mistakes their vote for still just being an rvs vote do we hear about the scumread? Idk, I find that pretty sus.

    I honestly don't see what people dislike so much about Athena's push on Mack to get some content from him. Mack is known for flaking when left alone, so making sure they get a read on them now seems fine? Like, I'm not very happy that's Athena's only content (in fact, I'm starting to scumread him for this), but I don't think it's bad on it's own?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartozio (#537)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#521)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#505)
    Fsr it took me like 5 times to read p#382 and although it doesn't actually say a whole lot in terms of depth I lean town just bc I think scum!ariadne would structure it more / pick smth clear to push given that they're being pushed my multiple people
    Actually @Bartozio when u get on how do u feel about this?
    It's fine I think. No real hot takes, but it's reads. Kind of annoyed we only get reads on multiple people after she got pushed, instead of just when things were happening. Basically, this is kind of the post I see scum making after they realize they're being scumread for not talking about the game. Could also be that she just doesn't have hot takes, but it doesn't relieve my earlier impression at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by ariadne (#525)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartozio (#485)
    I think 247 is a fairly normal comment to make at that point as well, but my issue is that it's the only comment they make about Makaze there. Like, Ria is scumreading them for apparently that interaction alone (or at least it's what they gave as a reason for the vote, so it's the main thing), yet when it's happening and straight after they say nothing about it? And only when someone mistakes their vote for still just being an rvs vote do we hear about the scumread? Idk, I find that pretty sus.
    in your opinion what makes this different from ex: claire empty voting and then only explaining later as well
    Empty voting is at least a commitment of some kind. Claire was also the first to really vote there, so it wasn't an easy jump on the wagon and think of an explanation later either.

    Probably also a factor is that I've seen town do it often enough I don't hard scum read it anymore, whereas half ignoring a scummy thing first and then pushing it as your main scumread I haven't.

    I've only really been skimming this thread, so I'm going to reread some of the cases and stuff a bit better.


    These are the other 2 points where he talks about them
  19. Day 1#831

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    Completed In the last games I played with...

    In the last games I played with town!Marth/town!Bart I ended up melding with their posts or at least understanding why they were doing what they were doing and it annoys me that I don't have that at all with Bart this game mostly bc he's just been on Ariadne the whole game and I disagree with the push and also don't see him re-evaluating or even processing newer posts of them when bart from my experience would at teh very least engage
  20. Day 1#830

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    Completed IIRC he was in a fight w/ fable in that game and...

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#829)
    I feel like mak/shinori both have decent scum equity, would not mind lynching in here.

    For shinori when i was partnered w/ him I recall he was pretty down to look for a fight w/ someone bc it's just an easy way to find content and he still has barely branched out beyond mak.
    Would vote mak over him tho bc I agree he's playing like super cowardly. ik he said he deliberately changed his playstyle after idnsfmm5 but I also played with town!him in training afterwards and despite being scumread by a bunch of ppl he was not afraid to take control and tunnel hard on his scumreads
    IIRC he was in a fight w/ fable in that game and even tho noone voted w/ him I'm pretty sure he kept yelling at us to vote him

    Super stark contrast w/ this game and yeah in that game mak was just scumread but not actually in danger but I don't see that town!mak going for consolidation/self-preservation with almost 24 hours to go
  21. Day 1#829

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    Completed I feel like mak/shinori both have decent scum...

    I feel like mak/shinori both have decent scum equity, would not mind lynching in here.

    For shinori when i was partnered w/ him I recall he was pretty down to look for a fight w/ someone bc it's just an easy way to find content and he still has barely branched out beyond mak.
    Would vote mak over him tho bc I agree he's playing like super cowardly. ik he said he deliberately changed his playstyle after idnsfmm5 but I also played with town!him in training afterwards and despite being scumread by a bunch of ppl he was not afraid to take control and tunnel hard on his scumreads
  22. Day 1#828

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    Completed Something that lowkey bothers me about the...

    Something that lowkey bothers me about the claire/yolo vs dunn is that I see a it referred to claire vs dunn all the time which is ??? to me bc I feel like yolo is just as vocal as claire and tho dunn is/was voting claire he is/was also scumreading yolo

    It could be either scumbuddies avoiding to talk about scum!yolo but I lean town on him so shrug or ppl trying to line up lynches in the case of claire/dunn both being town but ya that relies on them both being town
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    Completed So on the one hand I'd look for scum in the...

    So on the one hand I'd look for scum in the active list but on the other hand thread direction seems fine
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    Completed What I'm trying to consolidate in my head rn is...

    What I'm trying to consolidate in my head rn is that I like most of the lowposters (sully, fenrir, mackc) and I don't hate the main wagons we have going on rn
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    Completed hm

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    Completed Yeah idk I don't feel super strongly about either...

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#519)
    I'm going to do some ISO's before I vote but for now:

    Makaze still looks pushable but I kinda want the people on him ot do that bc rn it's mostly jus shinori
    Ariadne is a bad push imo, idt Bart is insincere but I feel like hehasn't reacted to the stuff posted overnigth yet so i'm kinda curious where that goes

    Dunn/Claire wagons I have no strong opinion yet one bc I find those two hard to read on a skim, so I'm going to ISO both

    Might join one of those if I like the cases on them, might vote FJP if I don't
    Yeah idk I don't feel super strongly about either the dunn or the claire wagon. Cases on claire look like they come from a good place but I overall like what she's been doing. I could sheep Marth's vote on Dunn for voteparking but I feel stronger about fjp and kinda like him voting claire. He'd be my second choice but I'm down to do this until I see where he takes his Claire read.

    ##Vote fairyjigglypuff
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    Completed Actually Bartozio when u get on how do u feel...

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#505)
    Fsr it took me like 5 times to read p#382 and although it doesn't actually say a whole lot in terms of depth I lean town just bc I think scum!ariadne would structure it more / pick smth clear to push given that they're being pushed my multiple people
    Actually @Bartozio when u get on how do u feel about this?
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    Completed Update: there's no update reread it after having...

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#514)
    Supa/Marth on Amy gave me a headache and I glossed over half of it (also bc I'm personally hard null on her and don't really see how anything she's done should be out of either range from what I've heared of her rep) and might reread later but if anything it makes me think supa/marth is t/t bc idt scum focuses so hard on something that seemed petty to me
    Update: there's no update
    reread it after having coffee, still hard null on amy and still think the talk looks t/t
  29. Day 1#519

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    Completed I'm going to do some ISO's before I vote but for...

    I'm going to do some ISO's before I vote but for now:

    Makaze still looks pushable but I kinda want the people on him ot do that bc rn it's mostly jus shinori
    Ariadne is a bad push imo, idt Bart is insincere but I feel like hehasn't reacted to the stuff posted overnigth yet so i'm kinda curious where that goes

    Dunn/Claire wagons I have no strong opinion yet one bc I find those two hard to read on a skim, so I'm going to ISO both

    Might join one of those if I like the cases on them, might vote FJP if I don't
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    Completed u were one of the 2 people online ^^...

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#516)
    I would like @Athena_57 to explain why they thought I was the best person to push.
    u were one of the 2 people online[/QUOTE]

    ^^ was a reply to @mackc2 's p#405
  31. Day 1#517

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    Completed close

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    Completed I would like Athena_57 to explain why they...

    I would like @Athena_57 to explain why they thought I was the best person to push.[/QUOTE]

    u were one of the 2 people online
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    Completed I'm not factchecking any of p#502 bc that...

    I'm not factchecking any of p#502 bc that claire's job but regardless of claire's response/alignment this looks good for mackc imo
  34. Day 1#514

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    Completed Supa/Marth on Amy gave me a headache and I...

    Supa/Marth on Amy gave me a headache and I glossed over half of it (also bc I'm personally hard null on her and don't really see how anything she's done should be out of either range from what I've heared of her rep) and might reread later but if anything it makes me think supa/marth is t/t bc idt scum focuses so hard on something that seemed petty to me
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    Completed FJP's string of posts is not good. Only sumleans...

    FJP's string of posts is not good. Only sumleans are makaze/me which is p opportunistic

    He just goes "Ye, that 6 man stack on makaze, idk but i can see it maybe", throws a lazy vote on me, states like one townread and peaces out
  36. Day 1#512

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    Completed I don't see how p#410 ever goes anywhere

    I don't see how p#410 ever goes anywhere
  37. Day 1#511

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    Completed I'm not commenting on dunn at all for now bc I...

    I'm not commenting on dunn at all for now bc I find it really hard to interpret his posts in the thread flow so I kinda just wanna ISO him after im done catching up so I don't have to interrupt my reading to look for context all the time
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    Completed wait am i being stupid and was this the same on SF

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#509)
    okay I really hate that making a post leaves the page ur currently reading
    wait am i being stupid and was this the same on SF
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    Completed okay I really hate that making a post leaves the...

    okay I really hate that making a post leaves the page ur currently reading
  40. Day 1#508

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    Completed When I played w/ mackc in training I learned that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#400)
    p#342 is a wolfy hard unvote despite claiming that the mak wagon is a good push. townread on mack looks vaguely TMI-y and i'd like for athena to elaborate on what in particular he found towny about mack's responses to him
    When I played w/ mackc in training I learned that if you don't give him a kicj under the butt he struggles to do stuff on (early) day 1

    I feel like his responses didn't show him feeling any pressure and mostly just gave me flashbacsks to how he responded (as town) like this in a previous game I played with him
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    Completed When shinori voted paper only had an rvs vote on...

    When shinori voted paper only had an rvs vote on makaze, they changed it into a real vote at some point later
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    Completed This is bull$%#! btw

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#392)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinori (#226)
    A lot of makaze's post looks like posts that are there to interact. They LOOK like posts a scum would make to act townie. That's confusing. His posts don't SEEM townie to me.

    A fair amount of his posts so far are lacking of REAL MEAT. He has a few times where he asks a question, but he doesn't really state much that gives insight as to what he's thinking.

    I feel like something Dunn accused chelsea of is actually heavily what Makaze is doing right now.

    I'm not wording this well, you can tell it's been a long time since I've posted relation to mafia. I can't even get my own thoughts straight easily at the moment.
    Calling this post vague is an understatement. This post could have applied to anyone, and it was immediately followed up by sheeping Paperblade, who in comparison appeared to actually have some reasons for their argument. Assuming it wasn't just plain ignored, there was a high probability for someone else to better articulate some kind of reasoning which he could say was what he meant, gaining a pocket and getting credit for nothing at the same time.

    TL;DR Their case is weak and could have easily been designed to get others to make their case for them instead of trying to lead the charge.
    This is bull$%#! btw
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    Completed Fsr it took me like 5 times to read p#382 and...

    Fsr it took me like 5 times to read p#382 and although it doesn't actually say a whole lot in terms of depth I lean town just bc I think scum!ariadne would structure it more / pick smth clear to push given that they're being pushed my multiple people
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    Completed Second line is whatever, I feel like that's jus...

    Quote Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG (#346)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena_57 (#342)
    I feel like the mak wagon is a good push, the votes look mostly genuine. I think if it's town!makaze we'll see the spark at some point
    What's your off-the-cuff opinion of Shinori's vote and posts there?

    Pretty busy today, I'll be here tonight if I can't sit down sooner.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinori (#226)
    A lot of makaze's post looks like posts that are there to interact. They LOOK like posts a scum would make to act townie. That's confusing. His posts don't SEEM townie to me.

    A fair amount of his posts so far are lacking of REAL MEAT. He has a few times where he asks a question, but he doesn't really state much that gives insight as to what he's thinking.

    I feel like something Dunn accused chelsea of is actually heavily what Makaze is doing right now.

    I'm not wording this well, you can tell it's been a long time since I've posted relation to mafia. I can't even get my own thoughts straight easily at the moment.
    Second line is whatever, I feel like that's jus makaze, but I can def agree with the first line. Also iirc he was the first real vote on this wagon (?) and I think for a first case this is p good.
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    Completed mackc2 Out for a bit, this is roughly how I'd...

    ##Unvote mackc2

    Out for a bit, this is roughly how I'd expect town!mackc to respond. Not super in depth but seems like he's actually thinking

    I feel like the mak wagon is a good push, the votes look mostly genuine. I think if it's town!makaze we'll see the spark at some point
  46. Day 1#341

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    Completed Yeah from what I recall this is NAI for him I...

    Quote Originally Posted by mackc2 (#339)
    Okay I've looked at Woopons now and wow, they actually just hopped aboard the biggest wagon with a $%#!post, but all there posts so far have been $%#!posts so not sure if thats alignment indicative, I guess I associate it with newscum and town that doesn't want to commit to actually playing the game early
    Yeah from what I recall this is NAI for him

    I feel like woopons's vote means most likely not s/s with makaze (bc a bussing vote would have more oomph to it) but apart from that it could be anything. Would lean slightly town even
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    Completed u missed something :wink: (post 129 was made p...

    Quote Originally Posted by mackc2 (#333)
    Yeah I realised, I just got sidetracked, anyway Amphys hop aboard the Makaze wagon raises some eyebrows, since (unless I missed something) they had not made any posts saying they had an issue with Makaze since game start
    u missed something :wink: (post 129 was made p soon after mak started posting)
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    Thread: Serenes Forest Invitational

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    Completed mackc2 fyi I'm less interested in whether u agree...

    @mackc2 fyi I'm less interested in whether u agree with the votes and more if u think the pushes are genuine or not
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    Thread: Serenes Forest Invitational

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    Completed Of the people voting mak, which votes do u like...

    Quote Originally Posted by mackc2 (#328)
    I mean I've read all the posts up to now, doesn't mean I know what happened
    Of the people voting mak, which votes do u like // not like?
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    Thread: Serenes Forest Invitational

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    Completed Hi, did you finish catching up or not yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by mackc2 (#326)
    Well you Europeans are here right now so I may as well do something my timezone doesn't usually permit and join an active discussion, and yeah I flake D1 most the time because I hate the D1 banter, I can never tell when the $%#!posting ends and the content begins Which is to say I'm antisocial and hate talking to people
    Hi, did you finish catching up or not yet?
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