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  1. Postgame#3274

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    Completed i didn’t have fun but i don’t really blame anyone...

    i didn’t have fun but i don’t really blame anyone for that but myself. i think it was overly optimistic of me to think i would’ve enjoyed this. gave it a shot until i couldn’t really deal with it anymore. thanks @Psycho666Soldier for taking my spot
  2. Day 5#2515

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    Completed hi serenes adjacent i have a school thing...

    hi serenes adjacent

    i have a school thing tomorrow so i'll be busy until the evening but probably paying attention as much as i can
  3. Day 4#2498

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    Completed fairyjigglypuff

    ##Vote fairyjigglypuff
  4. Day 4#2494

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    Completed randing sounds heinous

    randing sounds heinous
  5. Day 4#2441

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    Completed i think it can be

    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#2436)
    Also why can't it be Claire/S
    i think it can be
  6. Day 4#2435

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    Completed i think it's at least one of claire/sully...

    i think it's at least one of claire/sully favoring claire, if it's not fjp we are legit $%#!ed, and if it's not both of claire sully then it's probably one of you or orange with like... paranoid option being supa but i doubt it
  7. Day 4#2429

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    Completed ftr i would be voting FJP at this point but that...

    ftr i would be voting FJP at this point but that would hammer and there seems to be some decent discussion to be had still
  8. Day 4#2428

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    Completed sorry i didn't see this before townreading...

    sorry i didn't see this before
    Quote Originally Posted by primordial woopons (#2308)
    @ariadne how have your reads changed throughout the game? (too lazy to iso)
    townreading paper hardest like all game
    supa next. i was frustrated with some of his recent stuff but i don't think it's actual antitown behavior
    went from scummy -> neutral -> likely town on makaze
    townreading orange, i think fenrir's inactivity was genuinely hurting the slot
    somewhat townreading you
    scumread on fjp
    i think claire and then sully are the individual scummiest players in that order but other people do not agree with them as a scumteam together, i think it is possible but not necessarily likely
  9. Day 4#2399

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    Completed feels like chelsea getting away with it since...

    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#2385)
    Okay but has it just felt like we've been barking up the wrong trees? Or has it been more like we've actively been pushed towards the town lynches over Chelsea?
    feels like chelsea getting away with it since bart came up pretty late and it was competitive between yolo/her d2 and things ending up her way both times
  10. Day 4#2383

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    Completed frustrating

    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#2376)
    Question to people who have been here

    We've had two town lynches in a row

    Chelsea has been the counterwagon both times

    How has this felt? Does the game feel like town has been completely off since D1? Have things kinda just coasted to these lynches with no real movement between the wagons?
    frustrating
  11. Day 4#2349

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    Completed i don't see how being like "i'm just going to...

    i don't see how being like "i'm just going to ignore this quiet person's recent post that comments on some of the things i said and i'm just gonna park my vote" is good town play but you do you my guy
  12. Day 4#2344

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    Completed i had an okay day, time to ruin it with some...

    i had an okay day, time to ruin it with some mafia
    man orange wasn't kidding about the post numbers huh

    Quote Originally Posted by supa2 (#2317)
    I never disagreed, if anything that's why I asked Claire if she was town because I've been wracking my brain about this for a long time now
    i am confused as to what you're hoping actually happens here. is it that she answers 'yeah i am town' and that sells you on it? or is it more telling that she's dropped the ball on answering

    Quote Originally Posted by supa2 (#2069)
    Aria's post follow a pretty strict pattern:

    If she isn't being accused: Meek, Unassuming, Lack of confidence
    If she is being accused: Confrontational, Defensive, Accusatory
    alright look guy i don't play mafia that much anymore, and that amount of time off has made me largely unconfident in my reads. but there is one thing that i know for certain and it's that i'm town so that's the one spot where i can speak from a position of confidence. it's also something that i know i have to be assertive about because i'm likely to be a really easy mis-elim at some point or another. that is the one thing i know i can stick up for

    i'm very emotion driven and so far my largest emotion itg has been frustration. i feel like claire is totally getting away with it these last two days where we have found reasons to end up elsewhere, it's been on a townie both times, and it's been fairly tilting to me. if you want to conflate my lack of confidence with with being scummy it's gonna be the third consecutive mis-elim, and we've only got one elimination to botch. if there is not at least one scum within claire/sully (i still think there is a chance it's both) i'm going to lose my mind

    the way fjp showed up at eod3 with the cool sheep into "wow i'll be around more" into... not being around more also feels like they are somehow getting a pass, almost in the same vibe amy mentioned with day 1 athena where people are like "yeah down with fjp getting out" and then nothing actually happening there except it's been happening for way longer here

    i thought shinori's anger was very much in line with his usual rage and i'm sort of surprised at the people who didn't

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#2319)
    What are you going to say to Amy?
    probably that, as anticipated, i regret having signed up since mafia sucks
  13. Day 4#2175

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    Completed i'm both tired + emotionally drained as hell but...

    i'm both tired + emotionally drained as hell but i'm going to respond to the @ i saw and probably otherwise just lie down for the night

    Quote Originally Posted by orangeandblack5 (#2136)
    can you expand on the bolded
    it's pretty much a meta call from when i last played with them/saw them play (i guess the latter was more recent)
  14. Day 4#2018

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    Completed i wasn't sure if you would be someone from there...

    i wasn't sure if you would be someone from there going under a different name here but figured that wasn't the case
  15. Day 4#2016

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    Completed i don't even know who you are

    i don't even know who you are
  16. Day 4#2013

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    Completed i think your main competition is dead with amy

    i think your main competition is dead with amy
  17. Day 3#1930

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    Completed $%#! off claire

    $%#! off claire
  18. Day 3#1921

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    Completed argh now i have myself wondering if i'm going...

    argh now i have myself wondering if i'm going full on am/pm mode where i was playing based on anger most of the game
  19. Day 3#1918

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    Completed i kind of believe that too

    i kind of believe that too
  20. Day 3#1908

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    Completed i got home from work early but then passed out...

    i got home from work early but then passed out for like an hour and a half. i guess i'm glad it's earlier rather than later or i would've just missed phase end completely

    i think sully/claire as a possible scumteam is more of an individual merit thing than based on their interactions and maybe that's just naive (also sully showed up and like... short on time or not didn't really allay any of my concerns). i don't see the case on bartozio as strongly but i think a lot of that is because of my read on claire and i don't think they seem terribly likely as scum together? it would feel like quite a weird bus were that the case to me

    i also don't like the idea of giving sully a pass for showing up late because of the sheer number of factors there could be as to why he could miss it. i would much rather judge him for his actual gameplay

    my frustration's just kind of climbing this phase, especially with some people full flaking on the day making me have a real tough time at reading things. i think i'm kind of clouding my judgement about everything with how hard i'm tunneling and it would probably be wise for me to take some sort of step back and read things in a more level headed way after this phase regardless of any result because i'm just passively annoyed with basically everything. i do not, as they say, have strong mental
  21. Day 3#1726

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    Completed i don't have a problem with voting claire so much...

    i don't have a problem with voting claire so much as the way he did so. i think it's within the range of possibilities, claire/ sully would be kind of a weird scum pair but i don't think a ridiculous option
  22. Day 3#1722

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    Completed someone complained my posts before were...

    someone complained my posts before were structured badly (maybe woopons? do not care to check for that detail) so i'm going to do this a bit more ordered than "first thing i think of". this day has been real quiet which has not really helped in terms of finding helpful interactions which kinda sucks. so here are some of my current thoughts

    readlist, roughly ordered within rows i think (left least scummy right most)
    very towny: supa, paper, amy
    varying degrees of neutral: woopons, shinori, bart?, fjp?, makaze
    scummy: sully, fenrir?, claire

    i don't think it's outright impossible for the people in my first category to be mafia but i would be pretty surprised by it. they've tended to be the biggest drivers in discussion for most of the game and generally on the lookout for being productive and proactive, and i think the key here is that as this game has gotten quieter i don't think as scum they would have to be. so i think it looks good for them

    woopons isn't quite as strong of a town read but i'm decently confident on it, everything i've seen feels pretty much in character for the guy including the doc claim which feels like clear clowning. shinori's anger also came across as very much genuine. i still don't love makaze's overall content but i just think he lines up so weirdly with athena that them both as scum seems less likely. bart and fjp's absence is very frustrating and i have them like... about here but low confidence.

    dunno what more i have to say about claire that i haven't said before and i'm not sure anyone wants to read it anyway. i don't really have that much to say about fenrir either that i didn't say yesterday since he hasn't really shown up so my negative opinion has not changed (aside: i used to be pretty chronic flaker! how come i get to call out multiple people on inactivity, that's a bad look).

    my read on sully is fairly shallow but the first thoughts that came to mind about him on my initial reread is that he has felt pretty opportunist and also atypically defensive. i don't know sully's meta but some things in particular especially from his most recent post come off as pretty wack. 'get claire first' being the most he has to say about it feels like... what the hell dude. on the other hand that's also really weird if they were both mafia together. i'm not sure where that leaves me in terms of figuring out a team, but i both think they're scummy individually. a lot of that is gut, and this is someone who i want to both elaborate on and look at more closely (argh, this is a rabbit hole i keep finding myself stuck in with having something for next time...), but i'm going to have to stop at about here because i forgot i have earlier than usual work tomorrow, so i need to sleep. i will return before deadline and currently i would still rather vote claire barring anything in particular coming up. so i will

    ##Vote Chelsea

    i totally hate reading long posts like this but feel like i somehow always devolve into them anyway, which is annoying
  23. Day 3#1715

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    Completed what did you mean by 'which i dunno reads true'?...

    what did you mean by 'which i dunno reads true'? i'm not sure that's what makaze meant if it was about phrasing or if he was having trouble making a game read about the post but that was my thought

    post still wip (i'm a slow writer and also watched a movie tonight. it was good though) but i wanted to ask for clarification there
  24. Day 3#1680

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    Completed hey dude cmon why you gotta call me out like that...

    Quote Originally Posted by supa2 (#1672)
    I don't like that Claire is not here and I wonder if that's just burnout on her part. Townie burnout? Not ready to say that either. I have a sinking feeling Aria will come back and just say things reminiscent to what she's said before which is 'why is Claire not dead yet and im not scummy mafia is hard/stressful' etc.
    hey dude cmon why you gotta call me out like that

    but in actuality i had a pretty rough time D2 and i'm working on something of a more substantial post. spoilers: yes, i am still scumreading claire because nothing has happened to shake my feelings there, but i have more to say than that

    mafia didn't stop being stressful either i wish it did though
  25. Day 2#1562

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    Completed the countdown in the corner stresses me out :[

    the countdown in the corner stresses me out :[
  26. Day 2#1547

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    Completed no serious ccs anyway

    no serious ccs anyway
  27. Day 2#1546

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    Completed because i think it's really scummy to even keep...

    because i think it's really scummy to even keep the possibility of a sudden elimination on a doc claim with no ccs it's like a zero upside play for town
  28. Day 2#1541

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    Completed sounds rough ok so looking at yolo's edo1...

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperblade (#1526)
    Quote Originally Posted by ariadne (#1518)
    i had gone to sleep hoping i would feel less sick today. instead i feel completely terrible but at least i tested negative for covid. silver lining. i will technically be here for phase end but i'm totally lacking in energy for real posting (i even interrupted this post because i vomited so that's really fun) so i only have a few things to say
    I had to explain to someone today at work that I'm not going into their building not because I tested positive for covid (which I haven't), but because I too am a person and don't want to get sick
    sounds rough

    ok so looking at yolo's edo1 stuff in isolation looks kind of in character for yolo in the sense that it's very cocky but looks way $%#!tier with it becoming clear that nothing was going to come up about someone ccing dunn. a lot of people were throwing shade at dunn but yolo comes off really strong about it in particular... probably with how many people were showing doubt made it not really stand out at the time (especially the weapons stuff looks weirdchamp). i still do not think it's as egregious as claire still actually voting dunn but with the deeper dive feels more like something i can get behind. that being said i'm not gonna switch my vote because we don't need a hammer and i don't want to potentially cut off discussion time that people are actually using
  29. Day 2#1525

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    Completed i was trying to look at all of it in spite of it...

    i was trying to look at all of it in spite of it being a lot but that might be too ambitious

    i'll do my best
  30. Day 2#1518

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    Completed i had gone to sleep hoping i would feel less sick...

    i had gone to sleep hoping i would feel less sick today. instead i feel completely terrible but at least i tested negative for covid. silver lining. i will technically be here for phase end but i'm totally lacking in energy for real posting (i even interrupted this post because i vomited so that's really fun) so i only have a few things to say

    i'm still at very strong scumread on claire and judging by like... everything else i really don't expect this to change barring extreme circumstance so she is my personal #1 for a lynch

    i didn't get to look into fenrir until now and gave the guy a pretty brief skim. there's overall not all that much to actually go with other than similar eod1 vote history as claire which i've already commented i believe reflects poorly on her but i think less interactions, and less to go off of in general would lead to it being less fruitful and there's less to indicate to me that it's as likely to be correct

    still feel unsure about yolo, i have not had the same opportunity to give him what i feel like is a more fair readthrough + consideration since he has significantly more going on than fenrir. i'm not actively townreading the guy so i guess i would put him more in the ??? pile. on the other hand there would probably be a lot more learned out of this wagon than fenrir so there's like some amount of upside there? that might amount to it being overall worth it for the value gained even if i have very little confidence about my own feelings on the matter. i was going to ask about what the policy is for ties here and if i should be avoiding those and then i decided to not be an idiot and read the dang rules myself so avoiding one of those seems preferable

    i actually dragged on and took longer than i thought i would with just this. argh
  31. Day 2#1409

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    Completed i was pretty sick today so i'm going to keep this...

    i was pretty sick today so i'm going to keep this brief. i'll be around tomorrow still and hopefully i will feel less $%#!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea (#1318)
    I've fleshed out my reason to wolfread on more than 1 occasion, screaming at the heavens about it on repeat is not going to solve anything. (A lesson I myself still have trouble with at times) I'm not about to quote every post you make and 'yeah I still dislike ria' the only one I've prodded on the topic is Amy because she has a reason to towncase you and I want to hear it. Where you on the other hand OMGUS read me (or at least that's what it appears like) and instead of engaging me on the topic only said you just dislike my posts. I don't think you genuinely believe the fact that I'm scum just for the fact that I'm not telling people to vote you more. What kind of reality do you think I'm living in women? This is just a poor excuse to vote.
    if you think i'm not looking into your fleshed out reasons for suspecting you, then you certainly aren't doing the same for me either. i said before that i find it hard to reconcile your vote changes late into day 1 from a townie perspective- that sort of play feels closer to a hope for some sort of easy mislynch (relatively speaking i recognize that i am probably always going to be this in this game due to a lack of recent experience and being somewhat poor at expressing myself)

    a cool no-show from fjp and fenrir so far. is it weird to think there's good odds at scum among the quieter people? claire is at like my only strong scumread right now since i'm a lot more neutral on makaze. as for yolo, i'm sorta 50/50 on the guy- on the one hand i can see the stuff that people have brought up and debated back and forth if him+claire are too buddy-buddy but on the other hand apparently unlike other people i've thought yolo's actual game content to be pretty okay which seems to be an unpopular opinion judging from all of the votes. on the other hand fjp as scum goes super against the athena wagon so that'd be like... sully and fenrir and i don't think sully is that scummy which would imply to me that i should probably be taking a closer look at fenrir

    this already took longer than i thought and i feel really $%#!ing bad so i'm gonna sleep and take a look at things tomorrow
  32. Day 2#1268

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    Completed ok i phrased that yolo part like $%#! but i meant...

    ok i phrased that yolo part like $%#! but i meant in the context of comparing claire and yolo for scum/scum i think yolo from a glance strikes me as less scummy than claire based on their interaction stuff but i'm not sure where i stand on him from an overall game sense based on stuff beyond that
  33. Day 2#1267

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    Completed some thoughts, because i'm still bad at catching...

    some thoughts, because i'm still bad at catching stuff real time (and like probably could've used 48 hour n1 more productively but whatever)

    i'm reevaluating my thoughts on makaze (amy beat me to this thanks a lot) because it doesn't feel like it makes that much sense both with his own later content and with the way the lynch went. with that context and the night phase off to take a step back, i don't think makaze is lock town or anything, but i think it's worth knowing when to recognize that i was probably tunneling a bit too hard on this at the expense of other reads

    so let's talk about claire
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea (#344)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartozio (#303)
    Wait, am I sheeping Claire now? I'm gonna throw up for a bit, see you guys later!
    What a wonderful sight I've awoken to. You've even added your own spin of reasoning how quaint. Yes it's as you said. ariadne claims to have been reading yet had 0 game-related posts by the time of my vote. Perhaps nerves as a wolf? Although that line can only be cast so far. The Makaze vote that reeks of nervous over-explanation scum joining a bad wagon is the answer we're all seeking here. I'm glad you've seen the light Bart. I hope others will join in our quest
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea (#433)
    Quote Originally Posted by mackc2 (#406)
    Tell me did you have an argument of your own for your issues with adriadne, if this was your issue why did you wait to make it until after Bart as opposed to alongside your vote? And if this is not your argument, what is your argument and why have we not seen it yet?
    The argument I posted was my own thoughts on the matter no matter how similar to Bart's they were. However, the Makaze posst in question did not make an appearance until after I slumbered for the evening. So my reasoning at the time was something simple as her being nervous, not explaining any reads, and joining a wagon. In my eyes that didn't seem convincing enough. So I was content to wait on the wagon and wait for more to come up. Sure enough, it did.
    these are more or less the only detailed game related posts claire has made about me other than accusing amy for only wanting me in the game for the sake of it, and more recently talking about how good her reads are. so what's up? what about literally any of my other content that has come since then that you have largely not addressed? for apparently your strongest scumread you don't actually have a lot to say about me other than keeping voting me. even though you're apparently super sure about dunn and are just sort of waiting for evidence to show up

    what feels like reluctant acceptance of the athena wagon- along with more or less vanity votes very late in the phase for both me and dunn- also doesn't seem to me coming from the mindset of someone acting in the best interest of town

    on the earlier topic of votes that could be tunnelly we very quickly have a huge amount of votes on both a yolo and chelsea wagon. that definitely feels like it's overall probably worth some consideration on thinking about who's opportunizing where, but ultimately so far i don't think it's enough to deter me from voting for my strongest current scumread. i think village yolo is more likely than village claire. the doomsayer post struck a weird chord but i don't think his actions have been as anti town as hers overall. unsure on him individually... definitely someone i want to read more in depth when i can

    ##Vote Chelsea
  34. Day 2#1260

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    Completed oh that was a past votecount ignore me

    oh that was a past votecount ignore me
  35. Day 2#1259

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    Completed dammit amy quit beating me to stuff working on...

    dammit amy quit beating me to stuff

    working on a real post
  36. Day 1#1125

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    Completed we only need plurality

    we only need plurality
  37. Day 1#1096

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    Completed am i just naive or what

    am i just naive or what
  38. Day 1#1073

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    Completed well we seem not to be after the appearance of...

    well we seem not to be after the appearance of claire

    cool switch...
  39. Day 1#1072

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    Completed i suppose that simplifies dunn for me. it really...

    i suppose that simplifies dunn for me. it really isn't sf without an (almost) d1 doc elimination huh

    still reading ath stuff but i think i remain on slight scumread. p#519 looks awful in particular

    ##Vote athena_57

    i'm willing to switch from this (i still dislike claire!) but we definitely should not have our doc at our highest number of votes
  40. Day 1#1044

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    Completed i thought there were more people on it than there...

    i thought there were more people on it than there are tbh
  41. Day 1#1039

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    Completed oh makaze probably meant a wagon on claire after...

    oh makaze probably meant a wagon on claire after like two more seconds of thought

    i suppose i never literally said "let's wagon claire" but i mentioned my scumread with frequency and i still thought and do think you're scummier so i felt that was a bigger priority
  42. Day 1#1037

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    Completed what is committing to a wagon if not stating why...

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#973)
    Quote Originally Posted by ariadne (#960)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#905)
    I don't have time to answer all of this but it wasn't just that your vote was bad it was that you didn't push anyone else or make yourself accountable for what happened. Who are your second and third lim choices? Who do you think is scum with me? There's nothing to suggest you aren't taking the easy way out of the situation.
    so have you been ignoring what i'm saying about claire or what? the way that she feels like she's trying to lead people into stuff feels unnatural, i don't like how quick she was to buddy up with yolo, and i don't think the manner in which she's been opaque feels as if it's being done in a townie way
    I did miss that, I was too focused on how you never fully committed to a wagon. Why didn't you interact with anyone to figure out their alignment, and why aren't you solving the game? It doesn't take much to find problems with what people post, but that doesn't mean you're trying to do anything other than skate by.

    1. You and Dunn make far more sense as a team than you and Chelsea, and Dunn has pretty much solidified not!w/w with Chelsea by trying to get me to vote her. In the Shinori/ariadne/Dunn world, Chelsea is the least likely of my scumreads to be the fourth, going by Dunn's consolidation.
    2. Your reasons for scumreading her are the same as mine minus the tone/being uncooperative, but consolidating on Chelsea because she is the top pick of two higher scumreads feels like I'm being led to a mislim.
    what is committing to a wagon if not stating why i think you're scum most times in my posts and staying voting you

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartozio (#962)
    @ariadne Can you share your take on Dunn when you get back? I understand you prefer a Makaze lynch, but you haven't talked about Dunn at all and I would really like to hear at least if you think he's also scummy or town that should be protected.
    i didn't say this in my most recent post but i have said my thoughts on before dunn are neutral and largely "i don't get this guy" but i was townreading him initially and now i'm not really feeling the same way. it is not my preferred wagon but i think it could shed some light on a situation that i largely don't know wtf to think about

    i would want to look over athena's iso before phase end because i'm still pretty whatever on the guy overall but from the posts people are quoting i feel like i'm kind of taking what others are calling noncommittal as "lots of meh stuff". i guess my main point of pause is like this wagon feels almost too easy but i'm definitely not hard against it

    also i'm at a point where on the main three wagons i'm on pretty strong scumread for makaze/ light scumread on ath/ null and confused on dunn, and that feels like a really weird spot to be on for the three day 1 wagons. makaze/ath/dunn would be a really crazy scumteam i think. i agree with the sentiment that dunn and claire as two scum would be pretty crazy, same with makaze shinori, either seems like way too hardcore bussing for this early itg. something worth thinking about

    welcome back shinori rage...
  43. Day 1#960

    Thread: Serenes Forest Invitational

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    Completed so have you been ignoring what i'm saying about...

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#905)
    I don't have time to answer all of this but it wasn't just that your vote was bad it was that you didn't push anyone else or make yourself accountable for what happened. Who are your second and third lim choices? Who do you think is scum with me? There's nothing to suggest you aren't taking the easy way out of the situation.
    so have you been ignoring what i'm saying about claire or what? the way that she feels like she's trying to lead people into stuff feels unnatural, i don't like how quick she was to buddy up with yolo, and i don't think the manner in which she's been opaque feels as if it's being done in a townie way

    Quote Originally Posted by SullyMcGully (#943)
    Ariadne's content continues to disappoint, and she'd be a fairly informational yeet based on the opinions other players have taken on her. Her last post in particular bugged me. I don't like the way she used "I haven't played Mafia in a while" as an excuse for her weak content. Like, that's true of most of us here (I think). It didn't strike me as a town defense at all. I feel like town would have actually explained why their reads were what they were, instead of apologizing and coming up with an excuse for why they were bad. What she did just looks like buckling under public pressure to draw less attention.
    this isn't what i said. call my content/actual reads what you like but someone asked me "why is ria framing it in an unconfident way" (checked: it was supa, p#723) and i was answering that in terms of being unsure about that. so why does that count as something that would annoy you while you're also doing more or less the same thing throughout said post with "i know this looks bad/this probably doesn't make sense" in terms of rhetoric? i personally don't think this sort of stuff matters, but if your answer to doing something like that is "well it has been a while", why would that make you go from a point where my content being 'disappointing' to now actually voteworthy?

    i have to go for a bit but i'll be here for phase end
  44. Day 1#899

    Thread: Serenes Forest Invitational

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    Completed why does it matter that my initial vote was rvs?...

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#767)
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinori (#757)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#729)
    I'd still prefer ariadne or Athena if Shinori can't happen but I'll keep it in mind for consolidation. Are we about to have four way wagons or am I misreading?
    Yo please everyone check this bolded and then I want people to ask why the $%#! isn't he trying to swing a wagon towards me? He isn't voting me and it doesn't ACTIVELY seem like he's trying to convince others to vote me. Yet it seems I'm his #1 scum suspect.
    You are not, strange as it may seem. I still think ariadne is hella scummy for just riding their vote on me and doing nothing. There is still a chance this is just town death tunneling me, but I don't see any way for ariadne's read to be real, especially since she hasn't changed her vote since RVS.

    You and ariadne both being scum makes a lot of sense to me, especially from the ariadne lacking accountability from RVS angle and you putting the pressure out in the open, ariadne had no risk of looking like she was sheeping (though that backfired in the end).
    why does it matter that my initial vote was rvs? i would have switched my vote to you in one of my earlier posts (probably somewhere on like page 5 or 6) because your posts have consistently been outright bad at answering things asked of you even when you've been demonstrably around or had the chance to do so. the fact that i was already be voting for you from rvs stuff seems to be your primary point of fixation and your reluctance to vote elsewhere in spite of talking big about shinori like most of the phase. in the time since i started this post you've even posted since, commented you see no reasons me and shinori aren't a scumteam aaaand moved to dunn instead. what is that all about? you just kept talking about how scummy shinori is and then didn't commit to get anything going on him even when there was plenty of time. your main disagreement with me seems to be that i parked my vote for a long time and then talked about your own tradition not to change your vote from someone you think needs pressure, but on my end i think the way you've acted under said pressure is very weird and all the "wow this speaks for itself" content is just totally useless. nothing i've seen convinces me that my vote is better off elsewhere, so i have kept it where it is

    also there was more than one question from people about "why is ria unsure about everything" or something similar- my last game of NOC was SFMM4 in 2014 (there might be some 2015 smogon game i can't remember but i do not care to check) so no, i am not particularly confident that all of my reads are good.

    that being said, i think mafia shinori feels like it would be pretty out of character based on how much he's consistently put himself out there, and it feels like a low upside play as scum to completely go out of his way like the way he's been at it with makaze

    i still don't like chelsea for the same reasons i've said before

    i think fjp and ath are both kind of whatever from my look over. fjp lynch right now feels like a waste of time, i would be more okay with athena voted out but they're both like... they feel kinda low impact more than outright scummy. apparently neither of these are super relevant anymore but i said i'd take a look at them nonetheless and my thoughts are a resounding "meh" on the both of them

    i'll be back before deadline
  45. Day 1#635

    Thread: Serenes Forest Invitational

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    Completed i used to be rein slight townread. i was...

    i used to be rein

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#632)
    ria you haven't mentioned me a single time in any of your posts wassup b
    slight townread. i was going to say "did i not" but then decided to be responsible and actually double check myself before posting and you're right. i thought i mentioned this at some point but i guess didn't
  46. Day 1#628

    Thread: Serenes Forest Invitational

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    Completed i went to buy groceries and sorta mentally...

    i went to buy groceries and sorta mentally checked out of stuff for hours so this is somewhat later than i'd like

    i hadn't looked into supa much previously but everything feels like he's coming up decently townie to me. an iso scan reinforced such feelings, so it's good vibes there. yolo feels like confident town as well but i think supa seems townier at least for now

    claire and dunn are my largest confusion points still, which is annoying. i thought dunn was pretty townie earlier but his recent stuff is trending towards more neutral. i'm leaning scum on claire still. again, pretty low confidence reads, but i neither know nor trust either of them nearly enough to take their word on each other at face value (i am... really not sure what sully was hoping for there). i just think the town benefit to being intentionally obfuscating is super low

    no feelings about sully showing up late. i'm not sure where to put him at just yet upon his recent arrival but i suppose better late to show up than never. townreading based on time of game he decided to show up feels preemptive to me especially since it's a pretty sparse amount of overall gameplay

    i thought somewhat better of makaze's content since the last time i posted was okay but on the other hand p#625 totally strikes me in a lot of wrong ways. what do responses like "you're wrong" to paperblade hope to accomplish? that all seems like nonsense to me and a pretty large jump back. overall, i'd say this is still my strongest scumread at this point

    i want to iso athena and fjp to get some more useful insight on them so i'll get to that probably some time tomorrow, what with phase end approaching and all that. felt sorta neutral on fjp and slightly worse on athena when just reading thread but a more scrutinizing look could be fruitful

    i don't know how i feel about shinori. the tone feels town but some stuff rubs me the wrong way and i can't quite put a finger on it
  47. Day 1#531

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    Completed day 1 ends tomorrow

    day 1 ends tomorrow
  48. Day 1#525

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    Completed in your opinion what makes this different from...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartozio (#485)
    I think 247 is a fairly normal comment to make at that point as well, but my issue is that it's the only comment they make about Makaze there. Like, Ria is scumreading them for apparently that interaction alone (or at least it's what they gave as a reason for the vote, so it's the main thing), yet when it's happening and straight after they say nothing about it? And only when someone mistakes their vote for still just being an rvs vote do we hear about the scumread? Idk, I find that pretty sus.
    in your opinion what makes this different from ex: claire empty voting and then only explaining later as well

    got some more to catch up on and look into. i still don't know how i feel about claire/dunn and it's throwing me off
  49. Day 1#396

    Thread: Serenes Forest Invitational

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    Completed i don't think the individual posts are fluff but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunnstral (#394)
    Quote Originally Posted by ariadne (#393)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea (#386)
    I'd love for you to show me what posts of mine you consider fluff ariadne.
    i didn't say your posts are fluff i said they're full of fluff
    what's the difference
    i don't think the individual posts are fluff but there are parts of them that are pointless. but fundamentally both are fluff and i think it's kinda WeirdChamp to comment "most of ria's earlier posts are fluff" (which is true) while being full of hot air in a different manner
  50. Day 1#393

    Thread: Serenes Forest Invitational

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    Completed i didn't say your posts are fluff i said they're...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea (#386)
    I'd love for you to show me what posts of mine you consider fluff ariadne.
    i didn't say your posts are fluff i said they're full of fluff
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