Here is a nice timeline of events for the people at home:
D1 Normal SF game
D2 Inactive SF game
D3 Dead SF game
D4 Dead game
D5 MU game feat. SF
Type: Posts; User: supa2
Here is a nice timeline of events for the people at home:
D1 Normal SF game
D2 Inactive SF game
D3 Dead SF game
D4 Dead game
D5 MU game feat. SF
Complicit not the right word I meant complacent. Scum didn't need to write any narratives we already did it for them. All they had to do was follow along until they won. Nobody was really fact checking which makes just agreeing with your townreads a dangerous game because if they're wrong then like
You're wrong with them too. Even worse if your townread is scum. That was another thing that went bad. Replacements really helped but yeah I still feel like it just happened too late to really turn the game around. I think the argumentative process is one of the healthiest things the game can have in moderation, like that's what makes D1 so telling in general. You don't just have one perspective you have many and then it becomes a game of figuring which ones will lead town to victory. The game became too set in it's ways and that D1 dynamic that made the game so exciting just became lost.
That's karma and maybe indicative of what happened. It wasn't meant to be and I can't force a good outcome. The tl;dr was town became deflated over time and the game lost a necessary dynamic between players. We became too complicit and I somehow got thrust upon the role of towncore guy and it really pressured me to perform to the point where I was dm'ing smartbomb of my frustrations
I lost my entire analysis accidently closing the page siiigh
If anyone cares I'll write up a few things summarizing my feelings towards the game and what went wrong
Yeah jump you and psycho and oab were great, a bit too late just in terms of timing but it was making me regain my spirits
I can't help but blame myself still regardless
Subs were awesome
I'm sorry guys i couldn't solve this game alone
Woopons I need you to be scum if you're not scum then $%#! me what do I do
Wtf if this lol
I'm here and waiting for the inevitable
Claire/Mak are not acting like partners who are controlling the game, I read that more like one of them trying to survive with a goon at their disposal
Unfortunately I think that goon is you, I can't see myself changing my mind
I worry about that too but if I'm scum and I don't wanna let my partner down I would try my hardest to wriggle out of it with a flash of inspiration. I think if woopons isn't the right choice he'll comply and start to make his thoughts more comprehensible
Ignored in the sense he went and voted Claire regardless*
Mak has wanted Sully for quite a while. I do not feel strongly about the position where Mak and Sully as mates decide 'yes, we should distance/bus for the third time this game along with our other partners.' I mean Sully is not here but there is strong agitation from him in regards to Mak calling him out, and while he ignored it that felt pretty genuine/not partner-esque
I mean trust me, I heavily relate to this btw. I've ran a ton of scenarios in my head but eventually like I said you gotta make a decision. Even if it's wrong. And believe me, I've made wrong decisions. I see what you're saying about your honest thoughts but to me they come off as dishonest because they're so non-commital. If you're doing that just because you're nervous just try to not be.
I mean I didn't look too much into your ISO woopons but a lot of it comes with this process of indecision - words words words - decision but then before you can follow through on your decision you just backtrack before even give your own solve a chance and go back to indecision. Does that make sense? When I read you you've gone from 'yeah i think claire's town' to 'idk maybe not' back to 'no no she is' and I just would like you to stick with one thought. I'm not gonna judge you if you're wrong if that's what you're worried about? Why have you done this over the course of the game.
Woopons I'd enjoy the tornado of content on D1 but it's now D4 and I feel these sporadic moments aren't really telling me to anything. Like yeah you're doing something but right now you can see players who are at a different stage of the game where their PoEs are determined and it's less time to think about all these caustic decisions we could've made and instead what's in front of us. I need you to condense your thoughts and tell me how you feel about things as if you had a gun to your head. Because right now you kinda do and you're gonna be the lynch, so if you're town just give me clarity
For me i thought aria was very reactionary, like she has a post telling claire to $%#! off cause they've been at ends with each other and that felt super real to me
As in, no way aria faked that. She also responded to me preemptively once i called her out.. Would she fake emotions like that as scum, or was it her passion emerging despite her rust/inability to find her bearings?
If it's Woopons i can breathe and id probably vote Claire BUT if im wrong on Claire i get another shot i think at lylo
If it's not Woopons im less sure and id have to look into like.. Sully slot or pb
Yes i like Woopons but he's just guy i know from mafia, so the misread is less and he's scummy to boot
On mobile now cause I have no restraint but yeah pb just dipped after voting fjp and that never felt like a longcon
I've considered sully but I legit think like a shonen anime character where friends are my power and I want to believe in their reads. Sometimes they're wolf and sometimes they're wrong but it gives me comfort lol
And again, PB thought Sully was clean so I'm just like '$%#! must be'
And I guess I'm afraid of being wrong on Claire too. I wear my heart on my sleeve and I like playing with her. I like her as a person. She's a great friend. Sue me. I sometimes have this irrational fear that if I (misvote) one of my friends they'll hate me or think I'm a $%#! player and not wanna play with me. No waterworks but that is my hesitance in some departments, and I consider YOLO my homie too but I also didn't wanna get owned by him cause it'd just be the wolf who swagged me. It also just so happens that I've been in this cycle of
Claire does thing I don't like
Then she does thing I tonally kinda like
But then she does thing I don't like again
But thing she did tonally seemed good so am I just wrong?
I mean I think Claire is very self-aware but I don't think she's manipulative in that sense. I don't think faking emotions is the way she wants to win. She wants to fool you but do it clean yknow. You have people like Mak who treat the game like something to solve and emotion etc don't account but I think Claire is more emotional but doesn't really wanna show it
In hindsight the way Aria was talked about and that legend-status is what made me like. Question myself more. It was clear to me that Aria was just struggling to get by and I think that's scummy, but the only person I could really see keeping her somewhat motivated was PB. I don't really think Woopons-Aria to me makes sense due to thread exchanges and just the percieved mood. Scum are still in a decently winning position right now, I mean it's great we got FJP but if PB/Aria were both struggling to survive I feel it'd show. I just feel super strong about PB being town and I'd probably die on that claim, and even if he's not here then well lol he got me
So I don't want Aria slot first cause of this, I want woopons who is both individually scummy and feels like he's being carried by a more competent wolf
PB is a good player and I really enjoyed him being around, I'd lie if I said I'm not sad he isn't here
I would definitely consider Mak/Chelsea some of the heavy hitters, along with YOLO I again just sorta paranoia'd to death, following Amy. This is only established by presence and not like capability if that makes sense? BBM was also good but he got gunned down by our vig who can be good sometimes but eh not sure about that one,
Woopons is fine too but yknow how a legend eventually comes to be the more it's passed down? Claire/Mak/BBM/YOLO/Amy all have legends to talk about just based on some game performances. Woopons doesn't really have that. Sully not really either. I know Aria had some legend-status as well but didn't really show it? I don't consider myself because we wouldn't be in this position if I wasn't poo imo
For reference, Claire didn't keep that vote and instead voting Dunn despite him claiming doc. And the woopons cc.
By the way if Woopons is scum I don't think someone told him to do that, I just misread the intentions probably which is why I was attributing the fact he's more self-aware than I thought.
Sorry Athena if you're reading that I meant to say (I don't think that Athena ISN'T good) like lol if I'm having a hard time rn figuring out ur mates u job ur $%#!in job
if Woopons is town I really need to rethink some things.
Right now I need woopons to flip. I don't like what Aria has done but PB felt strongly about that read. I guess I'm given pause about how hard he defended Aria and while he's not here I still mention his presence. I'm not allowed to talk about another point but I'm definitely thinking about it, and right now I think that elusive wolf thinks they can win, and I don't see a Sully/FJP/Woopons/Athena team including that.
I've premeditated on whether Makaze is playing a long-con but I genuinely struggle to see his partner. His presence is there but it's still detached in some sense. Doesn't really feel there are scummates talking about him or trying to defend him. Right now I think that scum is playing purely survivalist, but I don't know if it leads to bussing. It goes back to my point that Athena/FJP were just traditional goons (and ig FJP not technically) and there is a stronger wolf they were trying to not really talk about. It's not that I don't think Athena is good or anything but the way YOLO died was basically paranoia from myself because I didn't want that hypothetical powerteam just eating this game alive. Turns out that was not happening, but I'm not convinced that someone who is given more reputation is scum.
This has lead me between Mak/Claire, and right now Mak just looks better from this day alone. I again feel like I'm not considering PB but man I really don't want to unless I'm absolutely wrong. I just can't really see the team being Sully/Athena/FJP/Woopons, they were hiding someone based on reputation.
This isn't my conversation but I've ran the idea through my head of a strong team and I'd even go so far to say I was paranoid of it early. It's not relevant not but not once in this game have I thought the whole team was just potatoes, which really annoyed me in hindsight. It annoyed me because you had your slots (who are not active) just basically vegetating and I couldn't base a strong read on them. I am under the impression right now that I am either 1) wrong about one of my stronger townreads 2) missing the crucial wolf who has sort of been in plain sight this whole time. There are some things I've sat on and just generally agreed upon with stubborness, one of them being PB's read on Sully early where-in he doesn't fake not knowing deadline giving how discord works and all that. Is it a bit shallow? Maybe.
It's comfort though. It doesn't make me comfortable thinking about if the PB slot is scum and to that extent trying to think about Sully either.
Mak I read your full post and I'll offer my insight barring what Psycho says. I have to ask Psycho though how he feels about my own interpretations (afaik, he higlighted the split wagon I was looking at so should come up with something)
I don't think I've ever once thought PB was playing me throughout this whole game and I've shuddered to think about it
Woopons scum -> Claire scum
Woopons town -> Aria slot
I've already ruled out Aria/Claire can't be scum together and I will admit I'm afraid of being wrong on Claire so I'd rather cover myself by voting woopons off instead, because if I am then I just default to aria
A lot of things could be happening I'm just choosing one
Yeah just looking at woopons independently he didnt want athena or FJP btw
I think the middleman in everything is woopons, and his lynch would tell a lot more to me
I know I'm town so if you look at this votecount:
You have Fairyjigglypuff (scum), Logic and me as the deciding factor. I can't prove it but that's the great thing about mafia in that you have to make your own proof. I think what happened here is that scum really didn't have to do much to get YOLO killed, therefore FJP sealed the deal with some half-hearted argument. I guess a point to be made is a possibility of Logic/FJP both voting together as scum but I dunno. I said it before I'll say it again: FJP/Athena both were operating on the same fashion of distancing. They both accused each other to some degree yet...
I don't really wanna vote Claire today though. I'm not trying to solve the game right here and now. I just want to show this to people and get their opinions. I think Woopons looks scummy independent of Claire and I could even see him kissing her $%#! under faux-protection. Nothing is definitive but at least I'm trying.
Another thing to think about: How many people really scumread woopons throughout the game? Answer not many. Why is woopons still alive and why did OaB get killed over him? Sure OaB was active but that is another slot that has gained a lot of ire. The kill doesn't make sense. The fact woopons is alive doesn't make sense, and I think Claire's defense of him does not make sense either. These are two people with vastly different positions in the thread with different agendas, but somehow their votes and actions meet.
This is when Athena got lynched. I know this is all ancedotal but looking at the progression of these votes purely from a wagonomics standpoint do we believe there was just one scum on Athena? What about Dunnstral? YOLOSWAG?
^ This is Dunnstral wagon getting traction, it's not terribly important in hindsight but