##Vote Kurosaki Ichigo
Type: Posts; User: niphredil
##Vote Kurosaki Ichigo
assuming ichigo is wolf. if he's town we're just losing this lol
i think vul's vote was towny? i really just think i do understand why he did that, and if i'm right it's a very towny thought process?
also that as wolf he'd have far more straightforward ways of playing this (like just hammering the wolf, and trying to win in f3 off of that), and so going for some unnecessary complex ploy (that also has the chances of just backfiring on him) seems far more like town
and basically i just agree with vul about dz/scipio lol
i think this day would've played out differently if dz/ichigo was w/w. not necessarily that there's not them voting each other, but they would've played it out in very different way if they were actually w/w?
scipio's vote should not be clearing at all, he didn't really have any options at that point, both i and vul had said clearly enough we'd be voting ichigo anyway. so if scipio's the wolf, he is literally just forced to bus here
there is the argument that they wouldn't play d1 that way as w/w though, but i'm not sure how much it should matter here
so i currently do think scipio is most likely wolf? i'm not very confident on this though, and if this actually goes to f3 just re-evaluate stuff there too
also i take no responsibility if i'm wrong
i think i understand what vul was doing?
i gave up on defending him because i never had any reasons to townread him, just thought others reasons for scumreading him weren't actually wolf-indicative
memory read, the "always town" was not anything about this game, just that from my experience when in previous games people have tried to "conserve posts" or just be very worried about the postcap, while having absolutely no reason to do so, they've usually flipped town. so it was just a "memory is acting like i've seen town do in this setup before, so i'll townlean them"
it wasn't very strong read here lol
also i'm literally never confident in my pushes lol, that's not AI for me XD
or "i'm conflicted about this because i have reasons to both townread and scumread this player, and i cannot decide which one is right"
ofc i wasn't pushing tess, i wasn't scumreading her in that post lol
(it also wasn't even that much effort lol)
also i actually did also give reasons to townread tess there too. and i think i made it clear enough it was just a "conflicted" read on tess, instead of scumread (because i had reasons to see her as town too, and quite clearly said my read on her is just "conflicted, dont know how i should be reading her"), so i really do not see at all why i should've been pushing her there?
didn't care to change the original thing i wrote, when i decided i actually just want to vote twice, so i just added that to the end XD
and ichigo was a tied top wagon at the time
i actually think it might be somewhat partnery post, because it's like, technically wanting the cred for if the kill ends up being ichigo, but also not doing anything to try to actually get him killed?
their d1 is probably more weird for it to be w/w, tho i wouldn't say impossible?
so, instead of killing one of those people pushing on the correct team, and removing pressure on the wolves, they decide to go for an entirely wtf kill and kill rose, who was both less townread and less correct?
i just didn't think that would happen like ever lol
(i didn't think that would happen even for wifom, because it was clear after the n1 kill that ppl have not actually cared about nka much this game)
(i'm. not confident on that read anymore. because i thought it was one of memory/tess behind that kill, and quite obviously was wrong. so might be i was wrong just about everything i speculated based on that kill)
just disagreed with the approach of needing to resolve wagons
but that kind of "this one approach is super important and we should always follow this" kind of approach has actually usually been more often from town? at least in my experience? because smth wolves try to follow the thread consensus and do what's towny, town does what they actually believe in
and insisting strongly on some specific approach no one else is following seems more like town?
was kinda the same thing with his d2 approach with that "nka is super important" thing there? (which is one of the main reasons i started doubting my scumread on him there, fwiw)
i hate that i can see nothing unaligning with dz/scipio outside of that one vote from scipio to dz at eod2 (which probably should be enough to lock them as not w/w, but lol i'm paranoid, some people do bus in very dumb situations and i don't know how scipio wolfs so i am still somewhat paranoid of that possibility lol)
also tbh the memory kill would've been very weird to make for that team, considering they were memory's two locktown reads. but then again, i don't really know who would kill memory?
i'd actually just want to be able to lock this as not the team (i have vul/dz as pretty much locked not w/w, so if i can figure out dz/scipio not w/w too, ichigo should like always be a wolf)
but i just cannot find anything strong enough
(yes i'm probably just overly paranoid when i refuse to accept the d2 vote as evidence of not w/w, but whatever XD)
actually looking at the vote timing again, it was only a minute before eod, so it really should've happened exactly never if it was w/w
and no one seems to be very confident on anything today
(and even if people were confident on dz town today, it doesn't matter wrt nk's because wolves couldn't know it before)
i have no idea if we're just talking past each other rn, or if you actually have like no idea how lylo works
i can't be arsed to explain rn
dunno if it's that important anyway
(and i also feel compelled to say in this post too that you shouldn't waste posts answering to this rn)
lol very helpful
are you planning to do more solving than that here?
idk i'm not confident on this lol
ichigo. if you actually are town, you have to stop wasting your posts on this. your current posts aren't going to convince anyone. go find a partner for dz, figure out what your reads on other people are, and only post after you've done that. you're not convincing anyone by just repeating "dz wolf", you need to make a case on who his partner can be.
(and also do not waste a post answering to this)
(i mean i hadnt posted at the time you made that post, but it doesn't affect the math here, there had enough people confirmed they're not hammering anyways it was just impossible for the wolfteam not to include one of you/dz anyways)
i really just. do not see how there could be any uncertainties for you. you clearly knew you have to push on dz there. you voted him. you were writing a wolfcase on him.
like if you hadnt realized he's outed fypov and you must vote him today, you wouldn't have started wolfcasing him with that confidence nor voted him? if you did realize that you would've just considered him outed wolf and not had any uncetrainties?
like rn i feel your reaction was most likely a wolf who realized that you have to push him, but did not realize the town pov is to not have any uncertainties/did not know how to fake it?
also can you concentrate more on your reads on other people? or like in the sense of trying to find a partner for dz, at the very least?
i mean i don't usually get nk'd so i cannot really think of it as weird that i'm still alive XD
also didn't really feel i was being very townread yesterday, and my reads very clearly have been wrong, so i really just did not think i'd die lol
scipio's not done much, true, but i was expecting him to die still because he's just been considered locktown all game, and everyone else alive has been pushed by some people at least?
he very clearly knew he has to thunderdome dz today, based on all that wolfcasing etc he did.
and so acting kinda unconfident at first is still very weird?
meh not sure if i'm confident on this tbh
i actually think a lot of ichigo's posting here is wolfy, because of the fact that he's not giving reads at all (this also applies to the vote analysis he did earlier today)
which i feel might be a wolf who just struggles at faking reads. or who just doesn't want to give people any spew to read. (because i don't think he as wolf believes he's winning against dz)
but also i kinda townread the fact that he's even trying to do something lmao
which yes is very bad but like. i don't see him actually thinking he's winning this, and so i don't know why he'd suddenly have that much motivation to post exactly now as wolf? because he'd still have a partner who might win in f3. but can see that "dont want to lose now" mindset from villager
meh. not really smth i want to believe in rn, tbh
(my current guess would be vul/ichigo fwiw, but i'm not confident at all, and also haven't even read vul's wall fully yet so that might change stuff XD)
(or then it could just be scipio/ichigo. idk)
i probably just should actually like reread stuff
i was actually expecting scipio would die in every world in which he's town lol
(and i'm not sure if i believe in that anymore, i mean only thing i was actually sure on after that nk was that there's at least one in scipio/ichigo but it's already obvious bc vul/dz very likely just are not partnered anyways)
because no one's hammered you yet
why are you talking as if it was just a read, instead of him being literally outed to you?
(or am i just misunderstanding smth?)
(i mean, "i can't see a villager doing this" feels like a very weird sentence to say about someone who's just outed wolf to you?)
i really do not think he would think doing some few reactions on d1 stuff (at almost eod3) is going to make anyone think he's actually towny lol
(i'm not townreading ichigo for that, to be clear, i just really disagree with that being "trying to look good". if he's wolf, he's just posting something entirely random because he has to, not trying to really do anything (not even look towny) with his posts)
i really just do not think wolves would go for that wifom play here
just that it seems kinda too obviously partnery with "have them in poe but do not push there" approach, and tess doesn't strike me as someone who would actually care to keep lhf partner alive?
i really do not think it's ichigo + one of dz/vul, because esp that n2 nk would be just suicidal for that team, and like. yeah
i kinda do not think tess, because i think if she randed wolf with someone like that she would've just bussed that slot earlier lol
scipio probably unlikely because the early vote etc.
you also unlikely but honestly i'm not ruling it out here lol, it's a very bussable slot at this point so *shrug*
because there were points earlier that eod definitely where other people were also wagoned, and at least some point where vul had like only one vote when others had more etc?
or then they were afraid last-minute vote change to save dz would look just really bad and didn't want to do it?
i don't know if i'd want to clear them for being partners for that though
i haven't really felt like they're partnery, though, but also i just. am not able to see like any possible teams that i'd actually feel good about. lmao
i mean tess/memory is the other i've been considering here, but with that it's just. i do not think tess has been wolfy lol. and also, some of her posting today made me question if she'd actually take that approach if it was her/memory. like just that she's been doing exactly nothing to convince anyone the team is not that, and also she's been wagoned and like there is a realistic chance she goes over today with how the votes go (i don't think she'll expect me to vote vul here like ever, and so it just goes down to what ichigo decides and it's like impossible to tell what he'd do). and so she should be trying to do something more to make it look like her teammate is not memory lol, if she actually is w/w with them
also possible i'm just overthinking this but whatever lmao
(also i'm scared because ugh if tess/memory are town and i'll vote them out i'm going to feel so bad about it lol)
ichigo's weird tho, and also is making me somewhat nervous here lol. but also, weird approach if he's wolf here because i don't really see him as wolf with either of you or scipio, and if he's with one of tess/memory i don't think he'd really start suspecting them today?
i'm like. still just assuming the team is like never two of vul/dz/ichigo, just because no way a team of two players in there looks at the gamestate after yesterday and decides that "let's nk the only person in the game who's not been suspecting either of us", instead of just killing some more townread person who's been sussing some wolf
scipio + one of vul/ichigo/dz also feels very weird, even if i have like no concrete reasons to say that is not the case. just... i do not think the gamestate would look like this, if it was that? like that would still mean there has been town controlling the game for most part, and this should feel more solvable if that was the case? also not sure if those teams would go for that kind of nk wifom with that rose kill, even tho not impossible
so basically what i'm left with is still that there's a wolf in tess/memory
i'm not exactly sure where i'm going with this tbh
(outside of that, i've just specced some other game you played in. but i don't think we've played more than that one game)
i mean i'm not sure if i believe it's that rn lol, but i also don't see why that'd be like impossible?
Kurosaki Ichigo please post stuff even before you've "reread everything" because we actually need to be able to read you now
fwiw the scumteam is like exactly never two of vul/dz/ichigo
because of the nk.
if the team is two of those, they just don't do that nk, not even for the wifom.
so there is at least one wolf (very possibly two) in tess/memory/scipio
so if you're town and your wolfteam guess is like vul/ichigo (or just saying it's me instead)...
there must be a reason why someone died who's not been really posting at all
that reason most likely is because the people who have in fact been playing are just totally wrong
which implies very heavily that the previous poe does not have wolves in it
please just think of that before just going back to the previous scumreads you had
vulgard is town
first, his case on memory. which is like, i scumread it at first. but.
actually thinking on it, i don't think it comes from wolf? i mean he quite literally broke down every single post memory has made and calls like every single word wolfy (i mean i didn't check if he actually did that, but it felt like it lol). if he was wolf, he'd probably not go quite that hard on it lol, would try to present it more as "considering their alignment" and look more reasonable with it. and not just start by "every word this person posts is wolfy". but i can see that "every word by this person is wolfy" approach very well from a villager who's tunneled lol
also, memory did not seem like a person who was a possible target at that point (iirc like no one had expressed doubt on memory at the time vul first joined the thread), so not sure if wolf would even want to go on that direction that hard.
like, at this point, the only issue i have with the memory scumread is that i have like no idea where did he get that read from. but the way he's been acting is very understandable for a villager who has that read. and the "don't know how did he get that read" might easily be explained by just him having subbed in and going by the approach of "read everything first and only then post conclusions" so a lot of his early process is not seen at all just for that reason.
(his dz case is whatever, i don't think much of it in any direction. might be town who thought dz was wolfy, might be wolf who wanted to case a townie (might also be w/w, tho a lot of other stuff suggests they're not w/w here lol))
tho mainly why i'm confident it's town now is vul's eod was very towny
firstly, that attitude of "i'm trying to post as many thoughts as possible" is towny
it's probably not unfakeable, but it's just. considering he was top wagon at the time, him approaching it in a way of "i'll post as much reads as i can" instead of "i'll save myself" is just really towny
also i think it's towny how his read is affected on by how people treat his slot, like that "tess is not trying to work with me", "dz is dismissing my cases", etc. (in p#303). feels more like townie annoyed that his reads are not being considered the way he wants them to be
and the other stuff that he had been posting is very towny too. like that read he had on twice (p#307). starting from that it's very accurate actually, it's very clear why vul would have exactly that thought as town, and i think it's very towny vul actually is considering twice's meta at that point. because twice was the cw, it makes perfect sense for vul to start talking about exactly twice there. and the fact that what he said was an accurate meta townread is very towny, don't think as wolf vul would want to bring up that his cw is not playing like their wolfgame at that point.
and honestly the fact that vul then has twice close to the bottom of his readlist in the next post (p#317) is just making me more confident in vul's towniness. because as a wolf you just do not put the person you just gave a townread on at the bottom of a readlist, you decide whether it's townread or scumread and then keep the read you gave. what vul did feels way more like genuine consideration of twice's alignment, that he first gives a read, and then decides that it's not strong enough of a read to affect on twice's placement at the readlist like at all, but then still doesn't want to vote twice because feels twice is still towny... it's just incredibly towny thought process
(this is partly "i mindmelded a lot with vul's read/approach on twice" read, to be honest. but i think it's very towny even outside of that)
also the treatment of the tess read is very townie (p#303, p#317). that he first suspectes tess, then has the thought on it being just because of playstyle difference, and somewhat walks back on that read, but in a "i feel its playstyle difference but i want this to be looked at later anyways". mostly what i find towny is the part on "want this to be looked at later", because it's very natural for townie to not be able to immediately give up on a read even if he realizes it might not be for a good reasons
tldr: vul is just a townie
so i really do not understand why you decide to clear exactly dz by "everyone's pushed him", and not considering possible partners for other people too?
(i do not think dz/ichigo is the team rn though, because esp like, the nk's would be very weird for that team to make)
just. i hate it. it's agenda and it's very bad and i absolutely hate it all.
and he was in fact the top wagon at the time when he started posting
so i have like no idea what you are even talking about wrt "vul only started posting when other wagons became viable"
and i do not like you ignoring that context here.
like just directly saying "crossvote each other tomorrow if that flips town". just. bad.
especially bad because i think it's just townies they have in there. (vul is just town i think, tess i'm less sure on but she's been very towny but also paranoia because she probably can fake it)
also why is there (almost) no consideration on what we're going to do in the world where ichigo flips scum? it's their top scumread after all, so they should be thinking about the worlds where it's wolf too, and not only setting up for the next day in case their top scumread flips town?
it makes no sense
it's very bad and it feels very much like a wolf agenda and i just hate it.
also that implied "if you fight against this you're mafia" is also very bad and i hate it too.
was not exactly expecting that kill, and i honestly cannot really tell what it means. but it's very weird.
and probably needs to be actually looked at.
is like my only read rn
also i literally have no idea who to vote here lmao
because there's also a lot more that affects on the nk choice. like, how likely are other people to listen to that one who has correct scumread, is it possible to get that person eliminated, etc.
and like. i just don't think anyone had any that vocal reads about anything that wolves would feel threatened, even if those reads were correct? so more likely they've concentrated more on just killing in the people who are never getting eliminated?
admittedly not very strong read, but. i just don't think it's that lol
as for vul. dunno if he can be read based on his reads/accuracy tbh, i've seen him tunnel townies before as town lol
and i mean i also wasn't really a fan of his memory case lol (and didnt think like anything of the case on you tbh), i'm just. not sure if it's outside of the range of a tunneled villager?
anyway, he's in my poe rn, but. i'm not confident on him either way
also i actually am very unsure about my read on you atm, don't exactly feel like you've played like a wolf today, so yeah. dunno. currently voting you mostly bc i have no other ideas lol
i dont actually know where i'll be ending up today lol
is there any reasons for it to not be dz/ichigo
or twice/vul. even tho i kinda don't think it's that rn
this is probably a good wagon
basically what are my issues with vul here
p#209 i disagree with literally everything in this post lol
also i think a lot of it is actually just very wolfy. for reasons like, a lot of that stuff seems just very fake thought process. or like, that i cannot really understand at all why he would think of that, and it feels like he's trying to write stuff to make it look like it's wolfier than it actually is.
i mean, even that "empty read to look productive" would apply to most of what other ppl were posting too, and so picking this one specifically to be wolfy is bad. and that there's no consideration of any possible town explanations for it at all is also quite bad.
also going that far to the "where did this read come from", when memory did in fact explain the read later. feels fake.
a lot of the other stuff said in that post is very similar too. cannot see at all where did the thought of it being wolfy come from, it feels just like. he decided already he's scumreading them, and now he's trying to twist stuff to look far wolfier than it actually is. and that there's like no consideration of anything from any town pov feels really wolfy (especially because i feel like a lot of that stuff vul pointed out has like, very obvious town explanation for it too)
mainly just that i really cannot see at all why he would think like any of that, tbh
tho while writing this i actually am just getting less confident on this read lmao
(in that i. actually just am seeing far more equity for this being just a wolfy/tunneled townie)
(another person who was as townread being scipio, but cat was doing more than scipio so not really surprised cat died over him)
like yeah if that kill implies smth it's maybe that wolves just weren't feeling very threatened by anyone at the time. which i don't think really means that much here. maybe that twice is not a wolf, bc he might've felt compelled to kill tess instead (i'm not sure if i'm convinced by that, though), but i don't think anyone else was really scumread strongly enough to really feel like they have to kill some specific person?
actually why is twice on your list of possible wolves now? doesn't really look like he should be, based on that nka that you did?
(also dont waste posts answering to this right now lol)
i actually think vul has been wolfy too, but i don't really like the wagon composition rn
i'm. actually not entirely sure on how AI this is lol. but whatever.
(also dunno how comparable it's anyway bc it's later in the game)
tbh one of my main issues is how your reads here seem to be mostly "everyone who is posting is town" and poe is the ppl who do not exist. (well, today it has the exception of tess being in poe). and as far as i can see, your reads were not that in the previous towngames.
(i mean it's possible that you actually have had good reasons for townreading like everyone who's posted, but like. unless you explain them, i just cannot see it lol)
some random stuff from night.
@Scipio1 you were townreading twice yesterday? can you explain that read? (and do you still believe in it?)
this is going to be a lot of words that is literally just written off of memory and not likely to actually mean much, but i'll post it anyways. going to spoiler it because lol. (it's way too long and i'm sorry XD)
okay so hydre town, not very surprising
if tess dies tonight, i'm probably just sheeping her onto twice
because i do see how twice might be a wolf. esp with the hydre townflip.
i don't think this makes ichigo wolfy.
(i still think hydre was better kill than ichigo, tbh. regardless of him flipping town. lol)
someone said ichigo's different to the previous ultralights. i agree. but i dont think its ai really. more likely its just a result of him having less time. or smth. i don't really think anything ichigo's done is wolfy, tbh. like the way he started questioning me about my read on scipio... might very easily be just town who wanted to engage with stuff? (or wolf, who tried to do the same) he didn't seem to have a good understanding of the game, is pretty much the only thing i can actually get out of that, tbh. i don't think it's wolfy for him.
like i really also dont see what is wolf!ichigo's motivation about suddenly scumreading scipio (who's like the most consensus townread in the game rn). except if ichigo's not aware enough about the gamestate. which is very possible, considering his posts tbh. i'm actually a bit disappointed he wasn't there to answer to stuff when i explained the scipio townread etc
i don't really want to push ichigo tomorrow, for reasons. which kinda is that i don't think he's really wolfy lol, but also because just pushing the lhf is incredibly boring and i don't think all wolves are lhf and yeah. we just need to get some discussion about other ppl too, yesterday i mean all wagons were between hydre/ichigo, so i don't really think we got much out of the day entirely. bc like everyone knew where it was ending regardless. so whatever.
kinda what i think of ichigo is that he's capable of better than this regardless of alignment? so the fact that he's not doing that should not mean much. might actually mean town tbh, bc as wolf he'd have more pressure to look towny.
this is not something that i am actually going to townread him for. but i. kinda. just do not think he is a wolf. i am not capable of explaining why, and i have like exactly no confidence in that because it's a dumb gut feeling or smth. but yeah. will keep him as poe, bc like realistically ichigo is just null. but it's still not going to be the first slot that i'm going to look at. whatever.
scipio is probably still just town, but tbh his low activity is making me somewhat paranoid. but whatever. i don't think it's smth i want to pursue rn anyways.
twice i'm getting far more paranoid about, tbh. i really just cannot in good faith keep townreading him for very long, if he's not explaining anything and keeps pushing poe that i do not agree with. but it's whatever. he's acting different about it than in the game he wolfed in. but i also heard he "broke his meta" in the mentor game but i have no idea what that means in practice wrt his play lol, so dunno if i should be reading him on meta. and even otherwise he probably does not play exactly the same in every wolfgame, so lmao. whatever, i thought he was towny because his attitude with that poe thing etc was to not post anything in thread, but instead he was doing it more for himself. which seemed towny, bc it felt like he's not trying to get townread for it. but instead is .. doing it for himself. yeah i'm repeating myself. lol. but it seemed more of a town attitude anyways, to have stuff for himself but not post anything about it in thread.
but i'd like never sheep his reads anyway, his poe includes like only lhf at this point and i.. do not believe it's full lhf team.
also this is a read i think i can very well be wrong about. whatever. if tess gets nk'd, i'll probably start seriously look at twice. possibly just outright sheep it bc lazy lol. but whatever.
dz i really just. do not see at all why he's towny lol. i think his read on hydre did not really seem natural at all. i explained the meta read discredit thing (or at least tried, lol). but even otherwise. it's. if his read on hydre is that thing he said in p#75 (lol i just remembered that postnum XD) about hydre not posting reads and wolfy emojis and so on. he started the scumread earlier than where it should have been clear hydre's not doing that. i don't like him having pointed so much that "hydre's scummeta is not 0 posting anymore" because well. no one had said it was that. just that hydre's townmeta is to be wolfy as well. and that feels more like an excuse. that metaread that he gave, i mean.
it really just seems like he had decided already that he wants to scumread hydre, and like. yeah. just... i dont think the confidence/timing/whatever on that read matched with the reasons he had. especially for someone who's played with hydre before, and supposedly knows his meta is to be really wolfy regardless of alignment.
(i do keep worrying that maybe he's just town who confbiased himself with that read. but idk.)
even outside of the hydre stuff. i don't think anything he's done is towny. it's not wolfy, really. but just.. not towny. like some very basic reads that can be faked, or smth.
tess. i think her attitude on a lot of the stuff is towny. i think her reads are bad. this has me having a pretty conflicted read on her overall. because well. yeah.
i literally just think tess's only scumreads being the two lhf slots (hydre and ichgo) is really bad. i didnt like me/twice being the next tier. i mean i'm getting less confident on the twice read all the time, and if twice is actually wolf then it's not bad at all. if twice is town, though, then i really just have no idea what has tess been doing. and that seems wolfy to me. that her reads are far too level 1, i mean. (also somewhat selfish but i dislike her not townreading me lol. i don't think i'm hard to read, and that she's not able to see i'm town is not very good. esp if she was actually looking at my meta. lol)
i think her attitude about some of that stuff was good. i mean, stuff like explaining the dz townread in more detail so ppl wouldnt misunderstand it. assuming ppl would sheep her because she's actually doing stuff. (i mean i dont think she's really done enough this game for that to be a realistic thought, but that she thinks so is probably towny). (yes i'm aware i'm saying this while also considering just sheeping her reads XD). something other stuff like that, which seems like it's the mindset about the game that i'd be expecting from town!her. and she had some nuances in some reads, which seemed she might've been actually thinking of stuff, tho she's good enough of a player i don't actually think that really matters anything wrt her alignment.
so yea idk i'm overall just pretty conflicted about her lmao. but it's whatever. i think there is some chance she's right about twice and gets nk'd for that lmao. or that she's wrong about twice but gets nk'd anyway. and i kinda just hope that that happens lol, bc i don't really know how i should be reading her otherwise.
rose. i dont remember much of her, tbh. she had some post that i liked but overall it was for pretty weak reasons i think (i dont even remember exactly what it was XD). smth about liking more the overall post formatting than anything about the actual content lol. but whatever. i actually somewhat liked her eod, for no good reasons
whatever. overall one of my weakest townleans i guess, bc i don't have anything actual stuff i could justify this read with. but i think it's a gut townread anyway and i for some reason don't want to give up on that read XD
i'm starting to forget what i've even talked about already lmao
sherlock obviously there is exactly nothing to talk about. tbh very dumb read, but he might've felt more need to actually write the catch-up he promised, if he was a wolf. but like, i have no reasons why he didn't, and might be just irl stuff etc so yeah this is dumb. null.
catbae seems towny, just because there's been a lot of stuff in his posts that i've been able to agree with. some things that he said about hydre at eod, for example. like that thing about having an urge to kill hydre every time hydre posts smth non-relevant stuff, even tho he didn't think it was ai for hydre. which is pretty much exactly how i felt about it too. and so on. what he posted about ichigo's meta at eod was good. because it was clear he's been actually looking at the meta, but did not make any posts about it, and it was just some small mention somewhere, so clearly not trying to get towncred for effort. so looked like actual solving. idk in general his posts felt towny lol, i don't really remember much details from anything else he's said tho.
this... is not a read i'm going to lock in at all here. but i feel pretty comfortable about having him as town rn anyway.
memory is like. i cannot blame them for the hydre vote like at all, bc afaict they've not played with hydre before. so it's very understandable to think it's a wolf. so yeah. (but also very easy target for wolf!memory. so it's whatever)
mostly what i remember of memory is that they had some long walls, that. weren't bad, but didn't really seem that obviously towny to me either. like legit the only thing i can townread is that one comment about wanting to see more posts. which... is not much, tbh. i think this is around the same tier with rose where i just want to townread the slot for some single posts etc, but don't have any actual reasons to like. actually believe in the read that i have.
i'm tired. whatever. i don't even remember who else is in the game lmao, but yeah that's probably irrelevant. probably no one of whom i had like any opinions about XD
okay i checked and apparently i've actually listed everyone already lmao
from what i get out of this then. scipio/catbae i'm just saying are town rn.
memory/rose is probably the next tier? that's not very good tbh. in the sense of my reads, i mean. if we're past d1 and i have exactly two townreads that i feel even somewhat good about. but whatever.
sherlock. ichigo. tess. dz. twice. i guess is the null tier/poe/whatever. and it's too many people in here
i really do not understand how twice has been able to get that many confident townreads in this game tbh, and at this point kinda wondering if it's just tmi. like i mean i am usually the person who townreads the entire game lmao, but this game that's just. like. impossible.
anyway, out of those. i am going to say dz is a wolf. like he's had wolfy stuff, and is also like the only one who i have literally nothing to townread him for (except maybe some "sheep others". but i don't want to sheep ppl this game. don't think it'd really have good results here, when like everyone's poe seems to be just "lhf's are wolves", and i really do not believe that to be the case. like i thougth if there was a wolf in the lhf tier, it was hydre (instead of like ichigo/sherlock). and hydre flipped town. so yeah. not really feeling good at all about the idea of just going to ichigo or whatever next.)
cannot really say who is the other. dz/twice might actually work, i think. i also thought of dz/tess at some point. (and dz/rose was some early-game read that i never said, but i don't really think that's the case rn. not impossible, tho. whatever).
it might be sherlock. that's the most boring world. or ichigo, but idk. i kinda don't want to go to ichigo still. because yeah. i mean i hope ichigo's just gonna start posting more tomorrow, so he'll be actually readable.
if i say it's twice? that might work. and has the advantage of not having no-posters/lhf's in the team. (which. always feels a bit too easy/convenient solution. "dont know who is the wolf, so throw the no-poster in the scumteam guess". not very relevant rn though lmao)
or it might be tess lol. i. think tess has had enough towny points anyway? like i'm still considering her as wolf because her reads definitely haven't felt like they're good. but not where i'm voting first? i think?
(i kinda feel there might just be one between tess/twice. for reasons. like. if tess is town, she might just know what she's talking about wrt twice being wolf. if tess's reads are totally wrong tho (basically this means, if twice is town XD), she is probably more likely to be just wolf)
so yeah. rn think it's dz + one of tess/twice. some chance of sherlock/ichigo but don't want to go there rn anyway. (also some chance i'm wrong on the townread tier too, but whatever)
i'm tired lol and i'll keep just repeating stuff if i continue for longer, so ending this here. probably. lol
townreads i actually feel somewhat good about rn: scipio, catbae
townreads that i do not feel at all strongly about, but have as somewhat towny anyway: memory, rose
unreadable/inactive/lhf (can be of any alignment, but not my first choice for wolf still): ichigo, sherlock
probably one wolf between these two: tess, twice
might actually reread everything later, because that was just off of memory, and like. i probably should actually reread people's post to see if i forgot smth important or anything.
but that's where i'm at rn anyways
i went to read twice's last ultralight game (where he was town). i read like the first three posts only lol, but he's like... incredibly different. i mean, different to the point of where it really just cannot even be AI but instead him intentionally having different playstyle.
i think it might be wolfy, still? bc that game there did exist some intent at solving. with asking questions etc, and so on. even if he had the same attitude of not wanting to explain his reads. he was actually doing stuff in thread that game. and it might be wolfy that he's not doing anything like that now.
(and esp in game that's postcapped and has like nothing happening, i think the decision of playing in a way that does not help anything at all is. anti-town at the very least, but like. probably also more likely to come from wolf)
##Vote Twice Shrunk
i think everything he's posted is very natural and transparent, in that i can understand why he does what he does and it seems like a thought that town would have
(like that his read on twice on his first post: it's just a simple "this is towny if i'm right about what twice's thought process is". but it shows scipio is actually thinking of stuff. like he had a thought on why someone might've voted him early, and then he used that thought to try to get an alignment read, etc. which seems very much like a town thought process. idk i'm not good at explaining lol)
(but it's like the same with all his posts: i do understand what is the thought process behind his reads, and i think it's a towny thought process)
also that he actually just only posts what he has, doesn't necessarily elaborate on stuff at all, etc. which gives the feeling he's not trying to look towny at all, but is instead just saying what he actually thinks
it all just seems very towny to me lol
and the fact that hydre is a very easy push for wolves to make
as for why i don't think hydre's alignment matters anything: because he's an extremely bussable slot. if he's wolf, i think his partners wants to have a good distance on him early anyways, and would likely be voting/sussing him by now
i think i asked you about your read on twice at some point
and iirc some other people also had some questions for you that i don't think you've still answered (about your reads, mostly)
go find them. and answer them.
or alternatively just give some reads
i think there's a very high chance rn that the hydre wagon is not pure. regardless of hydre's alignment.
(and this tells me exactly nothing about what hydre's alignment is XD)
(and i'd probably still prefer killing hydre over ichigo lol. just cause i don't think ichigo's actually wolfy lol, and he'll very likely be far more readable later on than hydre)
why the $%#! do i keep going to read hydre's meta even tho i already know i am going to get exactly nothing out of it lmao
the towniest thing tess has done is p#91 with that being worried about people possibly misunderstanding her dz read and sheeping her more into wolfread than she intended
(which i think makes a lot of sense from her as town to be worried about, because that's pretty much exactly what happened in the last light game i saw from her lol)
but i don't like her reads.
i mean it's literally just the two most lhf players at the bottom (ichigo and hydre), and next tier is me and twice (which i think is probably both town). and yeah
dunno actually what to think of tess here lol
(and he had already answered)
i don't think it's AI for hydre, but it is annoying enough i kinda want him killed just for that lol
(i still don't have an actual read on hydre tbh. but whatever. talking about hydre is boring anyway lol)
p#56 is not a very good opening
but tbh i'm not sure if it's wolfy
(iirc ichigo is a pretty decent wolf, so i'd expect him to be able to come up with something better than that completely regardless of his alignment?)
p#63 twice probably town tbh
(not just because of that post, more the overall attitude, but whatever)
just because of that being seemingly very conscious about the postcount, despite them having used so little posts it really shouldn't be an issue for them lmao
and ime that is like always town lol
(also the actual content of "want to see more posts because wants to have better reads" is decent)
p#87 is probably a good post. idk
like, scipio didn't even say that he had started townreading hydre or anything. so there was no need to do warnings like "he probably is capable of replicating that as mafia". and even if there was. that was not what dz said, but what he said was more of a "no, get back to scumreading him now"
if it had been a "hydre is different to wolfgame" read originally, then i wouldn't have that much issues with some "don't trust meta" comment there really.
but it being a "hydre is similar to towngame"... i'm not exactly sure why the fact that hydre's play is evolving would mean that he does not play similarly to his towngame if he rands town?
so it's kinda just. discrediting a read in a place where i do not think he should be discrediting it?
i'm probably not explaining this very well lol
p#75 from dz is actually the first post that somewhat explains the read he has on hydre imo lol
but everything before that seemed to be just "hydre is lockwolf because his wolfmeta is not 0 posting anymore" and kinda just. ignoring entirely what hydre's townmeta is?
but that finally shows that he actually sees some difference between hydre's townmeta and how he's playing there.
and yeah. dunno what to think of that, tbh.
p#18 i actually think this is towny for scipio lol
(as for what i think of the actual hydre post, from what little i remember of hydre's meta, this is not wolfy for him)
(tho i'm very aware my meta on him is likely outdated, but anyway. don't think it's wolfy, still)
even if it's probably good in general to point out that someone's play is evolving so meta might not be 100% reliable, in this context it feels more opportunistic(?) (not exactly what i'm trying to say but i cannot think of a better word XD)