For the love of everything SB
For the love of everything SB
If an argument in a game gets heated, and straddles the line between attacking the play and the player in a way that obviously isn't great, but not necessarily actionable given the user has a clean record of behavior, it'll probably not be acted upon, but we'll log it to establish a pattern of behavior in case something similar happens again.
Something that isn't related to the scope of moderation wouldn't be logged at all, even if it was reported.
There's a distinction that I just didn't really feel like getting into in that post (partially because I figured it was obvious).
also re sb’s last point
yeah. pretty simple question. didn’t put a ton of thought into the exact language of the answer. I don’t think most people want the level of workshopping that would be behind a world where even that simple of an answer gets so fine tuned like that. And I don’t want that out of the q and a either.
Whelp, I get the feeling that any kind of constructive criticism that I try to give is seen as a personal attack or criticism of the person who I am referring to. It feels like I'm actually getting the reverse effect of what I intend. So I'll just shut up for now and think about new ways to express myself.
Indeed, SmartBomb. If there was no intent to get people to apply at the moment, then Lissa hit the right tone in her remark. I agree with you here.
I know that this is a more informal place. But people are nonetheless asking about official positions of the team. We want to hear the Word of Mod. Please don't forget this on those questions.
That's my take on the situation at least. I'm off now.
I have words and they're all grumpy. Sorry LanMisa.
My take on the situation is that I asked a question, it got answered, bam.
Like seriously — and this in general, the amount of bitching about the mods in this thread is incredibly high and honestly coming from a portion of the population that, for the most part, are showing a crippling lack of self-awareness here (this is not ALL directed at one person, brw).
There have been really good questions and discussions in here. Anything related to a ban or about mod transparency has been my favorites.
What has not been my favorite is the amount of whining and complaining going on. “Coaching sounds condescending “... what would you have wanted, someone to message you in your box to say, “hey jackass, stop breaking the rules”? “The tone is like they’re talking down to me”... that’s a you issue, but honestly you deserve to be talked down to a little, because you acted below the standard that MU expects everyone to be up to on this website. Moderators are often also our friends, but in another way, they are the police of the site. Let me know the next time you get pulled over for speeding if you feel like the “cop was being condescending” or if you’re just embarrassed to have gotten scolded in the first place.
By the way, the use of actually as a word of incredible passive-aggressiveness has become so much its own trope that CollegeHumor made it its own game show.
But in seriousness:
I came to MU in 2016. I did not like the moderating back then. I am one of the few people ITT who has gotten banned and reintegrated back into our community. The moderation in these two-three years has grown so many leaps and bounds since then that it should be commended. It has gotten better in every single qualifiable way. I’m still impressed that they seem to respond to every single fresking report that comes in (even my stupid bull$#@! ones).
But jesus people, the mods are human. If you don’t like your treeatment here, go break the rules in another community and find how fast that group dumps you out on your ass. You don’t like their “tone”? They don’t like you being a friggin’ nuisance.
People don’t like how the mods address them. But holy crap the response to SmartBomb for basically giving a drawn out answer where he was like “yeah, I’m human, I ain’t changing that aspect” is ridiculous.
And god forbid, if you want to play with no mod support or you hate how things are done, go play on [community we all know but I’m not allowed to say]. After your fifth game where people say the horrible $#@!ed up things they do there, you’d be realizing how this place is probably one of the best places to play this game on the entire internet.
I heard someone is $#@!ting on twoplustwo in this thread and I will have none of it. Community bashing is against the CoC.
Lots of people say moderation is a thankless job (it isn't, hence all the love and support for the mods here. ) But it also doesn't get the kudos is deserves either (as exhibited by the griping against the mods.)
I have received a single warning in my time here, for breaking a specific game event rule that I misinterpreted. I broke the letter of the rule thinking I was obeying the intent of the rule. In my warning, I did not get a feeling of condescension from the moderator* that responded. It was just a clear: "Hey, you broke rule #312, don't do that." I apologized and moved on, and I sincerely think the moderation team moved on as well.
I don't know how others have been treated for breaking more significant rules, but I feel like the severity of the rule being broken is probably going to be met with appropriate language. In my limited time here, I have yet to hear of an unwarranted ban. Personally, the only thing I would like to see changed is the terminology for temporary bans to become "suspension."
*Moderator left anonymous intentionally
None of the previous 3 posts invalidates the FEELINGS LanMisa, bop, or anyone else has or has had w.r.t. moderation.
Just because you don't agree, or have not had a similar experience, doesn't mean that someone else does not FEEL differently or is not entitled to FEEL differently.
Sometimes language is important in text-only communication.
I think Round 2 has gone rather well, and i dont think anyone has come in here with anything other than the noble goal of trying to improve moderation on MU.
Let's refrain from bashing people for doing so please
The discussion about the phrasing of that one Lissa post was ridiculous but I blame everyone equally for that
Last edited by Apoc; January 23rd, 2019 at 12:04 PM.
The kicker here is that Phighter probably also meant well...
But we dont want people to feel like they should avoid giving their opinions yknow
For every time a person uses 0.5 font, it allows one usage of size 7 font elsewhere.
All things must be balanced in the universe. Equivalent exchange.
Come wayward souls,
Who wander through the darkness,
There is a light for the lost and the meek.
Originally Posted by LordQuasOriginally Posted by VisorslashOriginally Posted by Visorslash
Is there a reason I can be told about a rude private message from a Moderator being deleted from my inbox without my knowledge?
"THERE ARE NO INNOCENTS! Not anymore! Any one of them could have stood up and said, 'No, we will not behave like animals anymore!'"
They may have been lost during the forum reset that happened.
I hold you in the highest regard, my friends.
Nothing against wolfy
But do you see a precedent being set where you can rely on a permabanned users word to reverse a permaban?
What's the point of setting conditions if the user can choose when to (not) listen and free pass if they change their mind?
Steps that can be taken to avoid doing a reversal on permabans? As my understanding, permabans are issued when problems are eithet so severe or behavior believed to be unfixable?
(Question partially copied from another user)
i said (or at least i intended to) say that ill fix my behavior and stuff before the ban
but it was unclear
then i towncased myself pretty well in the appeal and managed to avoid the mislynch
am i still wolfing mooni?
isn't this why Mafia is the greatest game in the world?
What's the policy on players who create alts to circumvent requested self-bans?
Amrock for example can alt around as much as he wants. I would be convicted of ban evasion.
But there are new times now!
People who are self banned are not currently allowed to evade it by making new alts. For a period of time, they were. The people who requested self bans during that period of time got grandfathered in because those were the conditions they requested the self ban under the expectation of having in place.
But it does mean more work for you guys. Maybe people will self-ban less now tho?
Message a ghost at Arapocalypse#0834!
[3:54 AM] smartbom: please tell me more about these hentais
Alright, that's gonna do it for this round of the Q&A.
Thanks to everyone who participated.