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    Block self voting at F3

    We should do this for ppl new to the game

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    This probably needs to not happen due to roles like jester.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#4)
    This probably needs to not happen due to roles like jester.
    havent seen the role jester in any of the games i played

    would it be possible to have the ability to turn on/off vote locks at f3 in the cases where roles like jester are not being used?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubtingThomas (#6)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#4)
    This probably needs to not happen due to roles like jester.
    havent seen the role jester in any of the games i played

    would it be possible to have the ability to turn on/off vote locks at f3 in the cases where roles like jester are not being used?
    Yes... You can disable vote locking completely in your games.

    Last edited by Makaze; December 6th, 2018 at 12:17 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#7)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubtingThomas (#6)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#4)
    This probably needs to not happen due to roles like jester.
    havent seen the role jester in any of the games i played

    would it be possible to have the ability to turn on/off vote locks at f3 in the cases where roles like jester are not being used?
    Yes... You can disable vote locking completely in your games.

    olmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubtingThomas (#8)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#7)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubtingThomas (#6)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#4)
    This probably needs to not happen due to roles like jester.
    havent seen the role jester in any of the games i played

    would it be possible to have the ability to turn on/off vote locks at f3 in the cases where roles like jester are not being used?
    Yes... You can disable vote locking completely in your games.

    olmao
    but i still think self voting being blocked should be default and turned on for games with jester :shrug:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#4)
    This probably needs to not happen due to roles like jester.
    But does a jester even deserve a win just by doing the work themselves?

    I'd be in favor of eliminating self-voting entirely. Overall it's just something that makes the game worse for other players in the vast majority of cases, and that includes actual valid strategies like wolves self-hammering to end discussion for the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soah (#10)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#4)
    This probably needs to not happen due to roles like jester.
    But does a jester even deserve a win just by doing the work themselves?

    I'd be in favor of eliminating self-voting entirely. Overall it's just something that makes the game worse for other players in the vast majority of cases, and that includes actual valid strategies like wolves self-hammering to end discussion for the day.
    true. i think discussions can still happen if players committed to the game at an alraedy designated sod and eod even if wolves did self hammer

    its not something that's used a lot either

    and self-voting AtE is just cancer whether it comes from town or wolf

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    I personally believe the same, but there are people who strongly feel that it should be mechanically allowed, and it is not me you will have to convince.

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    there are niche cases where as an outed wolf I would want to self vote myself if one vote away from maj in order to give the village less time to talk.

    my .02 cents


    *edit: if i read the thread bvefore responding i would have realized soah already brought this up, though i disagree with his over all stance that it isn't worth keeping self voting despite this. I thinkj if self voting and resulting maj's happening as a villager becomes a problem, I think it's more of a gamethrowing problem than I think it is a self voting problem, and if someone is continually game throwing give them the boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bopolis (#13)
    I thinkj if self voting and resulting maj's happening as a villager becomes a problem, I think it's more of a gamethrowing problem than I think it is a self voting problem, and if someone is continually game throwing give them the boot.
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    I feel personally attacked by this thread's existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#15)
    I feel personally attacked by this thread's existence.
    Why dont u self-vote then
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#15)
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    Quote Originally Posted by soah (#10)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#4)
    This probably needs to not happen due to roles like jester.
    But does a jester even deserve a win just by doing the work themselves?

    I'd be in favor of eliminating self-voting entirely. Overall it's just something that makes the game worse for other players in the vast majority of cases, and that includes actual valid strategies like wolves self-hammering to end discussion for the day.
    No.

    Self-hammering to end discussion is a valid scum strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortaru (#18)
    Quote Originally Posted by soah (#10)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#4)
    This probably needs to not happen due to roles like jester.
    But does a jester even deserve a win just by doing the work themselves?

    I'd be in favor of eliminating self-voting entirely. Overall it's just something that makes the game worse for other players in the vast majority of cases, and that includes actual valid strategies like wolves self-hammering to end discussion for the day.
    No.

    Self-hammering to end discussion is a valid scum strategy.
    But not in LyLo which is what this thread is trying to say.
    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#19)
    Quote Originally Posted by shortaru (#18)
    Quote Originally Posted by soah (#10)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#4)
    This probably needs to not happen due to roles like jester.
    But does a jester even deserve a win just by doing the work themselves?

    I'd be in favor of eliminating self-voting entirely. Overall it's just something that makes the game worse for other players in the vast majority of cases, and that includes actual valid strategies like wolves self-hammering to end discussion for the day.
    No.

    Self-hammering to end discussion is a valid scum strategy.
    But not in LyLo which is what this thread is trying to say.
    Ignore me, just realised what you were responding to.
    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#19)
    Quote Originally Posted by shortaru (#18)
    Quote Originally Posted by soah (#10)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#4)
    This probably needs to not happen due to roles like jester.
    But does a jester even deserve a win just by doing the work themselves?

    I'd be in favor of eliminating self-voting entirely. Overall it's just something that makes the game worse for other players in the vast majority of cases, and that includes actual valid strategies like wolves self-hammering to end discussion for the day.
    No.

    Self-hammering to end discussion is a valid scum strategy.
    But not in LyLo which is what this thread is trying to say.
    But I was obviously responding to self-hammering as scum in general which is what the quote I was responding to was discussing.

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    I think self-voting has a TON of merit when used properly

    mostly as a tool for f***ery

    I'm kinda down for stopping accidental f3 votes for themselves if that's possible tho

    I've seen 0 jesters in my two years here, so that point is moot
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    Or as a compromise... prevent self-voting EXCEPT for self-hammers.

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    I personally would want to keep self voting as an option for niche cases such as vengeful or hunter.

    If someone self votes in lylo with locked votes they're prob either stupid and or drunk


    We allow players to play poorly and suboptimaly. If someone wants to ITA a revealed innocent child, power to them. Having clauses that only kick in suring certain scenarios just adds to the confusion.

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    I'll point out disallowing it in f3 would cause conflict with the potential of jesters in weird corner cases.

    Specifically... you have unlocked votes let's say. If you can self-vote then a jester exists. If you cannot it does not. Thus it can be used to attempt to detect the jester (if and only if votes are unlocked tho ig lol otherwise you just $#@!ed yourself over)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#26)
    I'll point out disallowing it in f3 would cause conflict with the potential of jesters in weird corner cases.

    Specifically... you have unlocked votes let's say. If you can self-vote then a jester exists. If you cannot it does not. Thus it can be used to attempt to detect the jester (if and only if votes are unlocked tho ig lol otherwise you just $#@!ed yourself over)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#25)
    I personally would want to keep self voting as an option for niche cases such as vengeful or hunter.

    If someone self votes in lylo with locked votes they're prob either stupid and or drunk


    We allow players to play poorly and suboptimaly. If someone wants to ITA a revealed innocent child, power to them. Having clauses that only kick in suring certain scenarios just adds to the confusion.
    I was ready to go for the blocking it in f3 option until i read this.

    Its a good point. People dont play optimally and hopefully who ever did this will double check that they dont vote themselves in lylo..

    I mean you have to add it then accept it by posting it. Its 2 steps that have to go wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#27)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#26)
    I'll point out disallowing it in f3 would cause conflict with the potential of jesters in weird corner cases.

    Specifically... you have unlocked votes let's say. If you can self-vote then a jester exists. If you cannot it does not. Thus it can be used to attempt to detect the jester (if and only if votes are unlocked tho ig lol otherwise you just $#@!ed yourself over)
    JESTER GAMES DON'T HAPPEN HERE THOOOOOOUGH
    Vengeful and hunter are both roles used on this site.

    Imo if a player votes wrong in lylo whatsoever, they deserve to lose. If you make the decision to vote yourself in lylo, be it an unchecked mistake or a joke, you deserve to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#29)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#27)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#26)
    I'll point out disallowing it in f3 would cause conflict with the potential of jesters in weird corner cases.

    Specifically... you have unlocked votes let's say. If you can self-vote then a jester exists. If you cannot it does not. Thus it can be used to attempt to detect the jester (if and only if votes are unlocked tho ig lol otherwise you just $#@!ed yourself over)
    JESTER GAMES DON'T HAPPEN HERE THOOOOOOUGH
    Vengeful and hunter are both roles used on this site.

    Imo if a player votes wrong in lylo whatsoever, they deserve to lose. If you make the decision to vote yourself in lylo, be it an unchecked mistake or a joke, you deserve to lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortaru (#18)
    Quote Originally Posted by soah (#10)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#4)
    This probably needs to not happen due to roles like jester.
    But does a jester even deserve a win just by doing the work themselves?

    I'd be in favor of eliminating self-voting entirely. Overall it's just something that makes the game worse for other players in the vast majority of cases, and that includes actual valid strategies like wolves self-hammering to end discussion for the day.
    No.

    Self-hammering to end discussion is a valid scum strategy.
    I said it's a valid strategy. AND that it's a strategy that just makes the game worse overall. People don't sign up to play werewolf so that they can not get to play werewolf because the day ended early when they didn't intend it to. Self-hammering is a mechanical quirk that has nothing to do with any other aspect of the game's strategy. We've already tinkered with other aspects of the voting (locked votes at LYLO) to eliminate lame strategies that have nothing to do with regular gameplay. This one would be far more intuitive and would make games more enjoyable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soah (#32)
    Quote Originally Posted by shortaru (#18)
    Quote Originally Posted by soah (#10)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#4)
    This probably needs to not happen due to roles like jester.
    But does a jester even deserve a win just by doing the work themselves?

    I'd be in favor of eliminating self-voting entirely. Overall it's just something that makes the game worse for other players in the vast majority of cases, and that includes actual valid strategies like wolves self-hammering to end discussion for the day.
    No.

    Self-hammering to end discussion is a valid scum strategy.
    I said it's a valid strategy. AND that it's a strategy that just makes the game worse overall. People don't sign up to play werewolf so that they can not get to play werewolf because the day ended early when they didn't intend it to. Self-hammering is a mechanical quirk that has nothing to do with any other aspect of the game's strategy. We've already tinkered with other aspects of the voting (locked votes at LYLO) to eliminate lame strategies that have nothing to do with regular gameplay. This one would be far more intuitive and would make games more enjoyable.
    Disagreed

    Let's not take ANOTHER tool out of wolves' arsenals in the name of fun

    Half the tools here are town-sided to begin with
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#33)
    Quote Originally Posted by soah (#32)
    Quote Originally Posted by shortaru (#18)
    Quote Originally Posted by soah (#10)
    But does a jester even deserve a win just by doing the work themselves?

    I'd be in favor of eliminating self-voting entirely. Overall it's just something that makes the game worse for other players in the vast majority of cases, and that includes actual valid strategies like wolves self-hammering to end discussion for the day.
    No.

    Self-hammering to end discussion is a valid scum strategy.
    I said it's a valid strategy. AND that it's a strategy that just makes the game worse overall. People don't sign up to play werewolf so that they can not get to play werewolf because the day ended early when they didn't intend it to. Self-hammering is a mechanical quirk that has nothing to do with any other aspect of the game's strategy. We've already tinkered with other aspects of the voting (locked votes at LYLO) to eliminate lame strategies that have nothing to do with regular gameplay. This one would be far more intuitive and would make games more enjoyable.
    Disagreed

    Let's not take ANOTHER tool out of wolves' arsenals in the name of fun

    Half the tools here are town-sided to begin with
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    Pls end self voting in f3. U should have seen the sadness and despair the towns felt when that happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrypotato (#36)
    Pls end self voting in f3. U should have seen the sadness and despair the towns felt when that happened.
    But the scum team made up for it with joy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrypotato (#36)
    Pls end self voting in f3. U should have seen the sadness and despair the towns felt when that happened.
    That's part of the fun of being a wolf, and you wish to rob us of that?
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    ban self voters


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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#39)
    ban self voters


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    imo don't block self voting

    that's my whole argument glgl
    Last edited by Empoof; December 7th, 2018 at 04:16 AM. Reason: better phrasing for my foolproof argumentation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#39)
    ban self voters


    ez peasy
    The blacklist feature comes in handy \o/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empoof (#41)
    imo don't block self voting

    that's my whole argument glgl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#27)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#26)
    I'll point out disallowing it in f3 would cause conflict with the potential of jesters in weird corner cases.

    Specifically... you have unlocked votes let's say. If you can self-vote then a jester exists. If you cannot it does not. Thus it can be used to attempt to detect the jester (if and only if votes are unlocked tho ig lol otherwise you just $#@!ed yourself over)
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    Just what would be the fate of these kind of games if you can't self vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shattiel (#44)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#27)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#26)
    I'll point out disallowing it in f3 would cause conflict with the potential of jesters in weird corner cases.

    Specifically... you have unlocked votes let's say. If you can self-vote then a jester exists. If you cannot it does not. Thus it can be used to attempt to detect the jester (if and only if votes are unlocked tho ig lol otherwise you just $#@!ed yourself over)
    JESTER GAMES DON'T HAPPEN HERE THOOOOOOUGH
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    Just what would be the fate of these kind of games if you can't self vote.
    Considering the host, perhaps that's not the greatest example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortaru (#45)
    Quote Originally Posted by Shattiel (#44)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#27)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#26)
    I'll point out disallowing it in f3 would cause conflict with the potential of jesters in weird corner cases.

    Specifically... you have unlocked votes let's say. If you can self-vote then a jester exists. If you cannot it does not. Thus it can be used to attempt to detect the jester (if and only if votes are unlocked tho ig lol otherwise you just $#@!ed yourself over)
    JESTER GAMES DON'T HAPPEN HERE THOOOOOOUGH
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    Just what would be the fate of these kind of games if you can't self vote.
    Considering the host, perhaps that's not the greatest example.
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    How about just not locking self votes and locking others if thats even possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shattiel (#46)
    Quote Originally Posted by shortaru (#45)
    Quote Originally Posted by Shattiel (#44)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#27)
    JESTER GAMES DON'T HAPPEN HERE THOOOOOOUGH
    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...821-Ghost-Town

    Just what would be the fate of these kind of games if you can't self vote.
    Considering the host, perhaps that's not the greatest example.
    He's a setup mad genius a hero we don't deserve
    Not many people can be half right and all wrong, but you pull it off nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empoof (#49)
    Preview your posts when voting in lylo
    Are you advocating for personal responsibility?

    What kind of mad world is this?!
    Last edited by shortaru; December 8th, 2018 at 01:28 AM.

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