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    Ok so here are the relevant posts that aren't just tunneling warren and sheep.


    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch Kaine (#1185)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1169)
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch Kaine (#1165)
    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#1161)
    ##Unvote warren42

    just realized that we're one more vote away from maj

    want to get some things done before day end
    Is majority a bad thing?

    Cause if it isn't and goiing back to your previous question on who is mafia now I am starting to think you, Insaner and Warren42. :-D

    That was an awfully fast change of vote followed by him questioning if we were sending the game into a majority. Almost like you two are talking somewhere else. :-)

    Not accusing or anything just pointing out what it looked like to me.
    If this is correct we win. Get rekt mafia. ofc this is all pending Warrens flip.
    Just trying to understand stuff better. Looked weird though. To me that is. :-D
    I don't like this interaction between Enoch and kears. Enoch had his two big tunnels plus he threw in Insaner who had been getting some push back from DT and kears. kears here is super excited about that "winning" POE, and says it depended on warren's flip, but she still ended up voting sheep yesterday after Insaner and warren flipped town.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch Kaine (#1391)
    Quote Originally Posted by bbt (#1380)
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch Kaine (#1331)
    ##Vote sheepsaysmeep

    Should have not changed my vote.
    How does knowing warren was town affect what you think of sheep? Your problem with him was that he broke the tie on day 1 and that led to a mislynch, right?
    At first yes. Like I said to Sheep, they way I was thinking if Warren turned to be town it would lend more credit to a claim that sheep could be town. This all comes from the fact that I found the break of tie on day 1 was important somehow.
    Now I am thinking that maybe it was not important at all. Or it was but used as misdirection. On day 2 I was voting Sheep and I should have trusted my gut.

    Day 3 so far as proved that I should have done that. He has been very dismissive of several contradictions in his game play others have pointed out. My vote today is on him. Either he truly is not bothered or he is just playing that way to make it look like he does not care if he is lynched.
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch Kaine (#1419)
    Quote Originally Posted by bbt (#1415)
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch Kaine (#1391)
    Quote Originally Posted by bbt (#1380)
    How does knowing warren was town affect what you think of sheep? Your problem with him was that he broke the tie on day 1 and that led to a mislynch, right?
    At first yes. Like I said to Sheep, they way I was thinking if Warren turned to be town it would lend more credit to a claim that sheep could be town. This all comes from the fact that I found the break of tie on day 1 was important somehow.
    Now I am thinking that maybe it was not important at all. Or it was but used as misdirection. On day 2 I was voting Sheep and I should have trusted my gut.

    Day 3 so far as proved that I should have done that. He has been very dismissive of several contradictions in his game play others have pointed out. My vote today is on him. Either he truly is not bothered or he is just playing that way to make it look like he does not care if he is lynched.
    To clarify, I assume you're talking about Michelle - is there anyone else?
    Anyone else that has pointed out that he is disinterested in the game and contradicting himself a bit? I think there have been others. I thought you had pointed out that too? Maybe it was someone else. But regardless today I am going with my gut. :-)
    These two posts are a chain with bbt and some of Enoch's longest posts. I think this looks ok for bbt. She pushes on Enoch a bit to force his thoughts into the thread. The problem is they're relatively easy questions to lob up to a partner and help them answer. Meh, overall I'd come down slightly on the town side.


    Looks ok but not solidly
    bbt

    Doesn't look good
    kears

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    Michelle and Lukundo take a breath. If you're both town you're giving the wolves plenty of ammunition to hang you. Getting heated isn't going to help things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1652)
    Michelle and Lukundo take a breath. If you're both town you're giving the wolves plenty of ammunition to hang you. Getting heated isn't going to help things.
    I had enough and maybe i am wrong about him, white flag from me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1650)
    Quote Originally Posted by bbt (#1649)
    @Michelle, tell me a bit more about why you didn't want to lynch GG yesterday?
    I had a deja-vu of the previous mislynch..

    Tell me your PoE please
    @bbt ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1650)
    Quote Originally Posted by bbt (#1649)
    @Michelle, tell me a bit more about why you didn't want to lynch GG yesterday?
    I had a deja-vu of the previous mislynch..

    Tell me your PoE please
    How so? Can you tell me a bit more about what you were thinking?

    I gave my PoE earlier: Mill Crab, kears, Lukundo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbt (#1655)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1650)
    Quote Originally Posted by bbt (#1649)
    @Michelle, tell me a bit more about why you didn't want to lynch GG yesterday?
    I had a deja-vu of the previous mislynch..

    Tell me your PoE please
    How so? Can you tell me a bit more about what you were thinking?

    I gave my PoE earlier: Mill Crab, kears, Lukundo.
    Ty.. i walk home and i'm typing from time to time but i didn't read all. I'm addicted to mafia.

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    Something I like to do with flipped wolves is look at who they talked about, replied to, or voted during the course of the game. It's helped me find wolves in the past. Below is a list of the number of posts Enoch did any of the three for each player in the game. The percentage is the number of interactions divided by the number of posts that person had while Enoch was alive.

    sheep - 17 (13%)
    warren - 9 (6%)
    bbt - 2 (3%)
    kears - 2 (2%)
    Mill Crab - 2 (2%)
    GG - 1 (0.8%)
    Lukundo - 1 (0.5%)
    Insaner - 1 (0.3%)
    Michelle - 1 (0.9%)
    chemist - 0
    salt - 0
    DT - 0

    Well this isn't super helpful. :/ He basically only wanted to talk about or talk to sheep and warren. The question to Lukundo was very simple and his post to Michelle had some ATE to it. It felt like he was frustrated by Michelle trying to push him like she did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1653)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1652)
    Michelle and Lukundo take a breath. If you're both town you're giving the wolves plenty of ammunition to hang you. Getting heated isn't going to help things.
    I had enough and maybe i am wrong about him, white flag from me
    It's fine. Just take a step back and let's find the wolves. What's your POE?

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    @The Lukundo what's your POE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1659)
    @The Lukundo what's your POE?
    Everyone except Kears

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    TF2 Mentor/Mentee Game Day 4 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    1 kears123 senorsalt (6)
    1 The Lukundo Michelle (27)
    1 Michelle The Lukundo (19)
    3 Not voting Mill Crab (6), bbt (10), kears123 (0)

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    End day at majority is enabled.

    Day 4 ends at 10:00 PM EST on Friday, January 18th, 2019. There are 1547866860000 remaining.

    Requested by Michelle at 1 days, 8 hours, 34 minutes, 34 seconds remaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#1660)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1659)
    @The Lukundo what's your POE?
    Everyone except Kears
    + senor sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#1660)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1659)
    @The Lukundo what's your POE?
    Everyone except Kears
    That's way too big for this point in the game, man. We've only got two total lynches left and we have to nail them to win. Can you order the other 4 for me and try and take one out? A POE of 3 is way more manageable than 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1658)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1653)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1652)
    Michelle and Lukundo take a breath. If you're both town you're giving the wolves plenty of ammunition to hang you. Getting heated isn't going to help things.
    I had enough and maybe i am wrong about him, white flag from me
    It's fine. Just take a step back and let's find the wolves. What's your POE?
    I am in a thinking process and i'll tell you some of it:
    Lukundo super pissed about me looks wolf
    Kears does not play today - looks scumier than yesterday
    I'll post more after a while

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    @The Lukundo

    why do you believe kears is 100% town?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#1662)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#1660)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1659)
    @The Lukundo what's your POE?
    Everyone except Kears
    + senor sorry
    Ok, that's slightly better. Do you have an order in mind? I'm finding it hard to believe that Michelle is actually a wolf here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorsalt (#1665)
    @The Lukundo

    why do you believe kears is 100% town?
    I don’t believe 100% but I’d take her out of my PoE straight away. It’s mainly due to her meta. As scum she wouldn’t be as gutsy as to call Insaner scum and be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1666)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#1662)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#1660)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1659)
    @The Lukundo what's your POE?
    Everyone except Kears
    + senor sorry
    Ok, that's slightly better. Do you have an order in mind? I'm finding it hard to believe that Michelle is actually a wolf here.
    Michelle, bbt, yourself, Kears, senor

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    kind of late to ask but PoE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#1668)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1666)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#1662)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#1660)
    Everyone except Kears
    + senor sorry
    Ok, that's slightly better. Do you have an order in mind? I'm finding it hard to believe that Michelle is actually a wolf here.
    Michelle, bbt, yourself, Kears, senor
    We must be on different planets, or you're just a wolf, because that order doesn't make any sense to me. I plan on reading everyone's ISOs but I fail to see why Michelle would try to get a wagon going on Enoch, who had never really come up for discussion before that, when there were two perfectly viable town wagons for her to hop on.

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    senorsalt it means Process of Elimination. Basically which people you think are the wolves and what order you'd lynch them in. Right now I think the last two wolves are in bbt, kears, and Lukundo, so that's my POE. Given we have to lynch exactly, I'm going to try and narrow it down to two by the end of the phase.

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    So michelle/lukondo are calling each other scum.
    lukondo is saying kears is town.
    myself and mill both think kears is scummy.


    if we lynch kears, depending on flip it may show lukondos alignment as well, as michelles.
    if kears is scum:
    day 1 lukondo has been defending kears so scum defending scum.
    then michelle is town. Inverse if kears is town.

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    The only problem with that salt is that we have to be sure the person we're lynching is scum. If we lynch town, whoever stopped the kill the first night will have to do it again tonight or the game is over.

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    sucks that DT shot meep, cause that puts us in a bind. But i believe kears will Clear up alignments on the 2 people arguing back and forth.

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    I don't know why this doubt about me came, i maybe made some mistakes but i am a villager so I want to solve this game with town win.
    Is true that we have to find a wolf today
    And a dead thread is not an option, we have to talk.

    Senorsalt, i had in the previous day a question from The Lukundo about how i see kears123 and i told him that i see him town and The Lukundo were very pleased. Too pleased. I started to think at it after i forced his emotions to explode this morning and you saw how intense he was. But what is weird is that he knows i am town and still voted me.

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    well, I am set on a kears lynch and depending on that assuming we get a save. its either you or lukondo next on list. So i'll be waiting to see more info

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1657)
    Something I like to do with flipped wolves is look at who they talked about, replied to, or voted during the course of the game. It's helped me find wolves in the past. Below is a list of the number of posts Enoch did any of the three for each player in the game. The percentage is the number of interactions divided by the number of posts that person had while Enoch was alive.

    sheep - 17 (13%)
    warren - 9 (6%)
    bbt - 2 (3%)
    kears - 2 (2%)
    Mill Crab - 2 (2%)
    GG - 1 (0.8%)
    Lukundo - 1 (0.5%)
    Insaner - 1 (0.3%)
    Michelle - 1 (0.9%)
    chemist - 0
    salt - 0
    DT - 0

    Well this isn't super helpful. :/ He basically only wanted to talk about or talk to sheep and warren. The question to Lukundo was very simple and his post to Michelle had some ATE to it. It felt like he was frustrated by Michelle trying to push him like she did.
    This needs to be read again tomorow.
    I cannot stay awake i am very tired, see you tomorow morning.

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    kears. This is a monster ISO


    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#22)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#18)
    ##Vote senorsalt
    This vote was partly a RvS (Random Voting Stage) vote and a vote because it seemed like they didn't like sheeps vote on bbt.
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#55)
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#47)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#22)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#18)
    ##Vote senorsalt
    This vote was partly a RvS (Random Voting Stage) vote and a vote because it seemed like they didn't like sheeps vote on bbt.
    Why did you feel the need to explain an RvS vote?
    As I said it was partly RvS, the why question felt like it was directed at sheep for their vote on bbt. The only vote at that time. Felt like they were possibly trying to defend bbt.

    @senorsalt ,It likely was an RvS vote
    This got called out a bit at the beginning of the game, but kears' vote here felt forced. Yeah, it's RVS, but she also tacked on a reason for it. It's like she knows that salt is town and is struggling to come up with why she needed to put her first vote down the way she did.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#136)
    @Michelle @Hank @Sol15 Are you guys here?
    An interesting post here calling out the 0 posters. Sol15 became Enoch who's the only wolf that's flipped so far. Hank (Lukundo) is in my POE too so there was a possibility we had 2 wolves who hadn't posted for most of D1.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#167)
    I atm do not Chemist. He feels like hes disinterested in a way. It feels like he's joking a bit but trying to look serious at the same time. Chemist actually do some work. ##Vote Chemist1422
    Kears moves her vote to warren, which puts him well in front of everyone else about 12 hours from end of day. Her reasoning is ok, but she had only asked chemist about his townread on her and where it came from.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#174)
    I wanna see content from @Hank where ya at? We won't bite
    Oh hey, another ping to 0 poster Lukundo. Going to do his ISO next but it's noted that she chose to ping out one of the 0 posters a second time. I could easily see it as trying to reach out to one of her teammates to get them posting.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#240)
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#233)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#227)
    @warren42 what do you think of kears?
    Nothing.
    YOU THINK NOTHING OF ME BUT ARE TRYING TO GET CHEMIST TO CHANGE HIS READ ON ME WHATTTTTTT what Mega confusion here
    On second read this reaction feels over the top. Chemist had given her a town read and now she's pissed that warren was trying to break it up, especially when he had little reasoning behind it.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#282)
    ##Vote Chemist1422
    Kears moved to warren for about 2 and half hours but comes back to chemist about 5 and a half hours from EOD, again putting Chemist well out of reach at the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#358)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#353)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#269)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#267)
    Hey!! I have no idea what I’m doing but hello.
    Just go make some town reads so we can wagon them.
    I TR Kears glgl.


    Explain?
    An easy question lobbed at Lukundo and she in general seems very interested in being town read.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#363)
    Luko is town. No one touch him.
    10 minutes later she drops a lock town read on Lukundo. I guess I don't know how often they've played together, but if Lukundo is this obvious when he's town, why is he getting scum reads now?

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#446)
    ##Vote warren42 CFD BABY
    Kears then moves to warren an hour and a half from EOD, putting him 2 ahead of a bunch of confirmed town wagons and senorsalt (who I have as high confidence town). She didn't really need to move from Chemist, and the "explanation" of an early CFD feels forced to me. It's another vote that feels like it needs to be justified.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#530)
    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#523)
    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#522)
    anyone feeling a kears cfd
    quickquickquickquick
    wtf
    A more subdued reaction to the cfd attempt. This at least looks slightly townie.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#568)
    Quote Originally Posted by senorsalt (#564)
    ##Vote The Lukundo
    I won't vote him, I won't be voting Lukundo, he is my highest TR.
    Another defense of Lukundo. It looks like chainsawing because she started developing her sheep scumread after this.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#573)
    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#561)
    why kears though

    i'd trust myself >>> you because i have meta info there so try to sell me
    Metas can change. Shall I claim then?
    Here's her unprompted volunteer to claim, which was way unnecessary. I don't see why town would do so because it would out her as whether or not she was a PR. It looks townie more than it is townie.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#588)
    Quote Originally Posted by senorsalt (#585)
    lukondo in general makes me feel like he is careless or too rushed. After re reading isos could be careless vt or scum. still unsure.but i dont like his posting style.
    No, that's just him. He's like this.
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#651)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#648)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#647)
    Before you scum read me completely, are sure that you haven't tried TRing me? I feel like scum reading someone purely for their meta being off is wrong Metas can and do change.. Chemists kill yesterday has taught me that you really can't and shouldn't rely on stoley meta.
    You haven't given a single read on anyone during this entire game.
    On the contrary. Working on them now. It's hard for me to do reads. Luku can vouch.
    Some more hard defense of Lukundo and leaning on him to back her up.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#655)
    Hottake Warren, Mill crab and sheep are mafia

    HOw many mafia are there btw? 3?
    How much do I believe this derpclear? Slightly townie to not be aware of how many scum there are, but she gets really upset when people start denying her derpclears.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#834)
    @bbt - Town. Seems to want conversation and was posting some insightful posts on chemist/warren.

    @DoubtingThomas - Feels like town activily trying to find scum I TR this for now.

    @Enoch Kaine - null

    @Garden Gnome - I don't really see any content coming from them it just appears as they are just agreeing and going along with whatever someone says. Slightly scummy

    @Insaner- Scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#61)
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#60)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#59)
    @warren42 I want to tell you I'm Town.
    Ok so we have a town core of 3 because I'm town also
    3?
    How many times must I say it YOU DO NOT get free towncredit for saying you're town.

    Please explain why you TR me as seen here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#556)
    My current towncore is sheep/bbt/warren/lukundo/salt/kears
    THEN once you see others or susp of me you then say this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#662)
    Quote Originally Posted by senorsalt (#661)
    @Insaner just curious seeing as your most active, had you died, who do you think would have been blamed for your death?

    same goes for @sheepsaysmeep
    I feel like everyone in this game would want me dead given that most people seem to be treating me as a confident villager read.

    The people who I suspect the most of being the wolves are Mill Crab/Garden Gnome/Kears


    @Michelle - Town seems to want to help town definitely not getting pinged by anything.
    Her big reads list she puts out on D2. She left a bunch of people off the list (Lukundo, myself, salt, sheep, warren). She talked about Lukundo, sheep, and warren a decent amount but hadn't mentioned salt and never really mentioned me. This is where she starts to turn on Insaner, basically because he had a town read on her and then dismissed it. This is also after DT started pushing on Insaner a bit, and I think she was piggybacking off that suspicion to try and push at a then strong town and see if it took off.


    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#857)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#856)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#855)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#852)
    @Michelle @Hank @Sol15 Are you guys here?

    I wanna see content from @Hank where ya at? We won't bite

    Luko is town. No one touch him.

    I won't vote him, I won't be voting Lukundo, he is my highest TR.

    Metas can change. Shall I claim then?

    You can think what you want. According to OP, its a possible role but that doesn't mean I am said role. Seriously, check OP.
    You can't possibly be the cop.
    I honestly just wanna live peacefully. We however cannot until we get rid of the evil that live among us. We must find them.
    The tone on this post is off for me. She hasn't been super jokey for most of the game, but this one feels "serious".

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#861)
    ##Vote warren42

    The vote stays unless something drastic changes
    Her only vote D2, and it was on a townie she had been tunneling since late D1.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#994)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#29)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#25)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#24)
    Is this your way of saying that you do like sheep's vote?
    It's RvS... It's used to get reactions but idk yet.
    Yeah but you also implied that your vote wasn't entirely random.
    Throwing shade at me for no reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#383)
    Warren may even have a higher chance of flippng scum than Chemist tbh

    But it just feels so sudden and I'd rather we flipped the stale wagon today. I don't really see why we would let Chemist live given his attutude towards this game.
    Here we see insaner say he thinks Warren has a Higher chance of flipping then Chemist but wouldn't let Chemist AT THE VERY LEAST live another day. Why wouldn't you just vote Warren since you JUST said Warren had a higher chance? Oh yeah that's right you wanted Chemist as a ML.

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#631)
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#621)
    Will continue with ISOs tomorrow. Who should I do next? First person to respond gets their wish.
    Gnome. Don't iso me.
    Why not ISO you? Are you afraid of being called out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#748)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#664)
    the last two who jumped in the Chemist's wagon looks scum and i need to vote for the most dangerous one.
    For this reason
    I felt the same way about it. I don't think it makes warren scum though. Wolves would want to be on one of the wagons to not look like they didn't care.


    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#746)
    this is because i trust no one except myself.
    This is a bit silly. You need to find people that you trust to be town.

    I, for one, feel pretty good about warren being a villager here.
    Here we see Insaner OPENLY saying Warren is a villager when infact, they are wolves.
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#998)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#29)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#25)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#24)
    Is this your way of saying that you do like sheep's vote?
    It's RvS... It's used to get reactions but idk yet.
    Yeah but you also implied that your vote wasn't entirely random.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#383)
    Warren may even have a higher chance of flippng scum than Chemist tbh

    But it just feels so sudden and I'd rather we flipped the stale wagon today. I don't really see why we would let Chemist live given his attutude towards this game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#631)
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#621)
    Will continue with ISOs tomorrow. Who should I do next? First person to respond gets their wish.
    Gnome. Don't iso me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#748)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#664)
    the last two who jumped in the Chemist's wagon looks scum and i need to vote for the most dangerous one.
    For this reason
    I felt the same way about it. I don't think it makes warren scum though. Wolves would want to be on one of the wagons to not look like they didn't care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#746)
    this is because i trust no one except myself.
    This is a bit silly. You need to find people that you trust to be town.

    I, for one, feel pretty good about warren being a villager here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#820)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#816)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#815)
    This is true.
    Oh $#@! Insaner, we agree on summat? Nice!!
    He is saying kears should be in poe.
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#987)
    Insaner ISO

    #17: I like the instant push toward solving.

    #28: It looks like he’s trying to sort Mill Crab already.

    #29: Same with sorting kears.

    #54: He’s trying to sort me.

    #99: The second half of this feels kind of like he’s attempting to build rapport with and potentially pocket Mill Crab.

    #100: I like this question. He had been apprehensive about salt and this is an attempt to get inside salt’s head.

    #111: He questions why I have salt in my town bloc, consistent with what he had been looking for previously.

    #158: This barely moves the needle but I kinda like that he was attempting to get content out of people who had been posting previously but no longer were active.

    #264
    : This feels almost like a preemptive “Wolves can’t do this now because it’s exactly what I said would happen” which is obviously irrelevant in retrospect but a town thought to have.

    #379: He is suddenly open to my lynch.

    #381 and #383: He thinks I’m possibly scum, and maybe even more likely than chemist. From there he proceeds to think Chemist and I are possibly partners.

    #441: Says that he thinks it’s more likely that I’m scum if chemist flips red.

    #481: Interesting saying sheep may be pure directly after saying sheep is pretty good in #458. Seems like a weird step backward in a progression.

    TL;DR: I don’t like Insaner’s D1 as much as I thought I did. Some odd progressions and the like. I also feel as though far fewer of his posts were substantial than I expected. Downgraded from town to town lean.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#990)
    @The Lukundo so what do you think are the odds of wolf!warren coming into the thread to shade the only person that was fighting his wagon all day
    This looks and feels so planed to me. They sooo planed this in wolfchat.
    These are kears' case on Insaner and thinking warren could be paired with him. There's a lot of OMGUS going on here. The one point that I do like was talking about P#383. Granted, she was wrong about Insaner and warren, but it was a good reason to point out.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1004)
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch Kaine (#1001)
    Guys sorry for yet again posting low but I am struggling with the layiut of the forum and also what alot of stuff means.

    I see loads of people posting abbreviation that I have no idea what they are :-S

    Can someone at least tell me why breaking a tie is not suspect like i thought it was?
    Depending on what Warren flips (Meaning whatever role he is) the tie break is suspicious. What words that we're saying are you not understanding? Maybe I can help you.
    Here attempting to help out Enoch in the thread. It looks like she's trying to help out her "fellow townie" get used to the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1005)
    Quote Originally Posted by bbt (#1003)
    I don't really think Insaner and warren are wolf partners... I feel like they've been having interactions that call far too much attention for that to make sense. Near EoD Insaner's vote shift was the one that triggered warren's wagon becoming actually viable (it changed things from one leading wagon of 4 votes and a few people with 2 votes on them to two competing wagons of 3 votes, and then kears tipped the wagon shortly after). Then later Insaner moved his vote back to Chemist (actually, I never got why) and then the only votes that got added for warren after were self-pres votes. So at least I've associated Insaner with being a significant force behind last day's warren wagon. And of course he's been defending warren this whole day, to the point of the discussion just going in circles at times. It all stands out too much to make me think they're partners.

    @Insaner: Why did you move your vote back to Chemist in #463?
    What if that's what they want you to think? What if they are openwolfing because they can and by making it too good to be true so to speak no one believes it?
    Here trying to throw some more shade on Insaner and warren and trying to push them as w/w

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1159)
    Quote Originally Posted by bbt (#1071)
    kears, you've been gunning for warren since the start of day but it's not clear to me exactly what your reasoning is. Could you tell me about it?
    The guy is sketchy...and honestly I've kinda switched gears from him and shifted to Insaner. I believe they are a team but this is pending a Warren flip.
    But then later on she had a hard time justifying why she wants warren lynched, which doesn't really track since she had been gunning for his head for a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1173)
    @warren42 claim? your at L-2.
    I dislike that kears was trying to force warren to claim here 9 hours from EOD and 3 hours from when he was hammered. She was way too eager to get warren's claim out in the open, which would really only help wolves.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1227)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1223)
    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#1125)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#1122)
    I was telling warren to ISO Gnome and not ISO me.
    Oh! We both read that as you asking me not to ISO you!
    Hm. Yeah warren never actually said that. That, like, looks really bad :/
    Thank you!
    This feels pockety to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1237)
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#1234)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1159)
    Quote Originally Posted by bbt (#1071)
    kears, you've been gunning for warren since the start of day but it's not clear to me exactly what your reasoning is. Could you tell me about it?
    The guy is sketchy...and honestly I've kinda switched gears from him and shifted to Insaner. I believe they are a team but this is pending a Warren flip.
    Yes I was, but now Gnome is my number 1 and Mill Crab is 2.
    Claim please. You've done nothing to defend yourself except point your finger at others.
    Again pushing for a claim super early.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1375)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#1372)
    Tomorrow @Michelle we’re gonna carry $#@!.
    I have a feeling you and me are high kill targets...
    :thinking: kind of hard to be high kill targets if you're a wolf. Also, kears had just hard tunneled 2 town in Insaner and warren so I don't know why she thought she'd be night killed.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1443)
    ##Vote sheepsaysmeep I want your reads
    This is a bad vote imo because sheep had been putting his thoughts in the thread and it's like she wasn't even reading his posts. I also don't really know why she thought sheep was scum. The last time she even talked about it was a reply to Enoch's team of Insaner/warren/sheep winning the game and the scum getting wrecked, and I think she didn't like that he was pushing Lukundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1512)
    Quote Originally Posted by senorsalt (#1507)
    Trying to figure whose flip would be Alignment indicative. atm to me i still feel like kears or GG would be.
    I'm on my phone and can't get to my computer for the night. What you think isn't what you know.


    Reads will be posted if I live, tomorrow...

    My PoE is sheep/salt/Enoch/GG
    This POE is yikes, given how most people feel about salt.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1517)
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch Kaine (#1516)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1499)
    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#1496)
    sidenote im starting to get around to you being villa

    i wouldnt go really ew wtf to an enoch lynch at all but dthoms is way prefered
    if you can grow your wagon I wouldn't mind to jump in it.
    But why not Enoch? he is not useful to the game at all. staying low it's not an option for a townie, so why is he so discreet, if he's not wolf?


    I am not useful because you guys have not been very welcoming to be fair. Most of the stuff that you discuss goes over my head.
    But thanks for the welcome. :-)

    I am totally new to these games so trying to learn but hard when all you guys do is accuse one another and talk code.

    If it helps the town win the game go for it.
    I have offered to help you but you never responded to me... What don't you understand?
    Reaching out the olive branch one last time to Enoch and trying to appear helpful.


    $#@! that took waaaay too long. But basically there's my case on kears. She's felt forced at times, she's tunneled town for undefined reasons, I dislike that she was trying to force claims out into the open, and she's several posts that seem townie more than they feel believably townie.

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    Um, there's no way I'm going to have time to put another one of those together before tomorrow morning, but Lukundo is next on my list, then bbt. Doubtful I'll get to Michelle or salt but I'll at least give them a quick skim before EOD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1677)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1657)
    Something I like to do with flipped wolves is look at who they talked about, replied to, or voted during the course of the game. It's helped me find wolves in the past. Below is a list of the number of posts Enoch did any of the three for each player in the game. The percentage is the number of interactions divided by the number of posts that person had while Enoch was alive.

    sheep - 17 (13%)
    warren - 9 (6%)
    bbt - 2 (3%)
    kears - 2 (2%)
    Mill Crab - 2 (2%)
    GG - 1 (0.8%)
    Lukundo - 1 (0.5%)
    Insaner - 1 (0.3%)
    Michelle - 1 (0.9%)
    chemist - 0
    salt - 0
    DT - 0

    Well this isn't super helpful. :/ He basically only wanted to talk about or talk to sheep and warren. The question to Lukundo was very simple and his post to Michelle had some ATE to it. It felt like he was frustrated by Michelle trying to push him like she did.
    This needs to be read again tomorow.
    I cannot stay awake i am very tired, see you tomorow morning.
    Yeah what I usually try to look for is if a player was interacted with a lot more than normal or barely interacted with at all. The percentages can also show that the wolf spent an abnormally large or small percentage of time compared to post count. It's worked for me in the past, but Enoch's interactions outside of sheep and warren are lacking. Sleep well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1678)
    kears. This is a monster ISO


    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#22)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#18)
    ##Vote senorsalt
    This vote was partly a RvS (Random Voting Stage) vote and a vote because it seemed like they didn't like sheeps vote on bbt.
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#55)
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#47)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#22)
    This vote was partly a RvS (Random Voting Stage) vote and a vote because it seemed like they didn't like sheeps vote on bbt.
    Why did you feel the need to explain an RvS vote?
    As I said it was partly RvS, the why question felt like it was directed at sheep for their vote on bbt. The only vote at that time. Felt like they were possibly trying to defend bbt.

    @senorsalt ,It likely was an RvS vote
    This got called out a bit at the beginning of the game, but kears' vote here felt forced. Yeah, it's RVS, but she also tacked on a reason for it. It's like she knows that salt is town and is struggling to come up with why she needed to put her first vote down the way she did.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#136)
    @Michelle @Hank @Sol15 Are you guys here?
    An interesting post here calling out the 0 posters. Sol15 became Enoch who's the only wolf that's flipped so far. Hank (Lukundo) is in my POE too so there was a possibility we had 2 wolves who hadn't posted for most of D1.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#167)
    I atm do not Chemist. He feels like hes disinterested in a way. It feels like he's joking a bit but trying to look serious at the same time. Chemist actually do some work. ##Vote Chemist1422
    Kears moves her vote to warren, which puts him well in front of everyone else about 12 hours from end of day. Her reasoning is ok, but she had only asked chemist about his townread on her and where it came from.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#174)
    I wanna see content from @Hank where ya at? We won't bite
    Oh hey, another ping to 0 poster Lukundo. Going to do his ISO next but it's noted that she chose to ping out one of the 0 posters a second time. I could easily see it as trying to reach out to one of her teammates to get them posting.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#240)
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#233)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#227)
    @warren42 what do you think of kears?
    Nothing.
    YOU THINK NOTHING OF ME BUT ARE TRYING TO GET CHEMIST TO CHANGE HIS READ ON ME WHATTTTTTT what Mega confusion here
    On second read this reaction feels over the top. Chemist had given her a town read and now she's pissed that warren was trying to break it up, especially when he had little reasoning behind it.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#282)
    ##Vote Chemist1422
    Kears moved to warren for about 2 and half hours but comes back to chemist about 5 and a half hours from EOD, again putting Chemist well out of reach at the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#358)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#353)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#269)
    Just go make some town reads so we can wagon them.
    I TR Kears glgl.


    Explain?
    An easy question lobbed at Lukundo and she in general seems very interested in being town read.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#363)
    Luko is town. No one touch him.
    10 minutes later she drops a lock town read on Lukundo. I guess I don't know how often they've played together, but if Lukundo is this obvious when he's town, why is he getting scum reads now?

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#446)
    ##Vote warren42 CFD BABY
    Kears then moves to warren an hour and a half from EOD, putting him 2 ahead of a bunch of confirmed town wagons and senorsalt (who I have as high confidence town). She didn't really need to move from Chemist, and the "explanation" of an early CFD feels forced to me. It's another vote that feels like it needs to be justified.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#530)
    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#523)
    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#522)
    anyone feeling a kears cfd
    quickquickquickquick
    wtf
    A more subdued reaction to the cfd attempt. This at least looks slightly townie.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#568)
    Quote Originally Posted by senorsalt (#564)
    ##Vote The Lukundo
    I won't vote him, I won't be voting Lukundo, he is my highest TR.
    Another defense of Lukundo. It looks like chainsawing because she started developing her sheep scumread after this.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#573)
    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#561)
    why kears though

    i'd trust myself >>> you because i have meta info there so try to sell me
    Metas can change. Shall I claim then?
    Here's her unprompted volunteer to claim, which was way unnecessary. I don't see why town would do so because it would out her as whether or not she was a PR. It looks townie more than it is townie.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#588)
    Quote Originally Posted by senorsalt (#585)
    lukondo in general makes me feel like he is careless or too rushed. After re reading isos could be careless vt or scum. still unsure.but i dont like his posting style.
    No, that's just him. He's like this.
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#651)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#648)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#647)
    Before you scum read me completely, are sure that you haven't tried TRing me? I feel like scum reading someone purely for their meta being off is wrong Metas can and do change.. Chemists kill yesterday has taught me that you really can't and shouldn't rely on stoley meta.
    You haven't given a single read on anyone during this entire game.
    On the contrary. Working on them now. It's hard for me to do reads. Luku can vouch.
    Some more hard defense of Lukundo and leaning on him to back her up.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#655)
    Hottake Warren, Mill crab and sheep are mafia

    HOw many mafia are there btw? 3?
    How much do I believe this derpclear? Slightly townie to not be aware of how many scum there are, but she gets really upset when people start denying her derpclears.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#834)
    @bbt - Town. Seems to want conversation and was posting some insightful posts on chemist/warren.

    @DoubtingThomas - Feels like town activily trying to find scum I TR this for now.

    @Enoch Kaine - null

    @Garden Gnome - I don't really see any content coming from them it just appears as they are just agreeing and going along with whatever someone says. Slightly scummy

    @Insaner- Scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#61)
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#60)
    Ok so we have a town core of 3 because I'm town also
    3?
    How many times must I say it YOU DO NOT get free towncredit for saying you're town.

    Please explain why you TR me as seen here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#556)
    My current towncore is sheep/bbt/warren/lukundo/salt/kears
    THEN once you see others or susp of me you then say this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#662)
    Quote Originally Posted by senorsalt (#661)
    @Insaner just curious seeing as your most active, had you died, who do you think would have been blamed for your death?

    same goes for @sheepsaysmeep
    I feel like everyone in this game would want me dead given that most people seem to be treating me as a confident villager read.

    The people who I suspect the most of being the wolves are Mill Crab/Garden Gnome/Kears


    @Michelle - Town seems to want to help town definitely not getting pinged by anything.
    Her big reads list she puts out on D2. She left a bunch of people off the list (Lukundo, myself, salt, sheep, warren). She talked about Lukundo, sheep, and warren a decent amount but hadn't mentioned salt and never really mentioned me. This is where she starts to turn on Insaner, basically because he had a town read on her and then dismissed it. This is also after DT started pushing on Insaner a bit, and I think she was piggybacking off that suspicion to try and push at a then strong town and see if it took off.


    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#857)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#856)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#855)
    You can think what you want. According to OP, its a possible role but that doesn't mean I am said role. Seriously, check OP.
    You can't possibly be the cop.
    I honestly just wanna live peacefully. We however cannot until we get rid of the evil that live among us. We must find them.
    The tone on this post is off for me. She hasn't been super jokey for most of the game, but this one feels "serious".

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#861)
    ##Vote warren42

    The vote stays unless something drastic changes
    Her only vote D2, and it was on a townie she had been tunneling since late D1.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#994)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#29)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#25)
    It's RvS... It's used to get reactions but idk yet.
    Yeah but you also implied that your vote wasn't entirely random.
    Throwing shade at me for no reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#383)
    Warren may even have a higher chance of flippng scum than Chemist tbh

    But it just feels so sudden and I'd rather we flipped the stale wagon today. I don't really see why we would let Chemist live given his attutude towards this game.
    Here we see insaner say he thinks Warren has a Higher chance of flipping then Chemist but wouldn't let Chemist AT THE VERY LEAST live another day. Why wouldn't you just vote Warren since you JUST said Warren had a higher chance? Oh yeah that's right you wanted Chemist as a ML.

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#631)
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#621)
    Will continue with ISOs tomorrow. Who should I do next? First person to respond gets their wish.
    Gnome. Don't iso me.
    Why not ISO you? Are you afraid of being called out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#748)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#664)
    the last two who jumped in the Chemist's wagon looks scum and i need to vote for the most dangerous one.
    For this reason
    I felt the same way about it. I don't think it makes warren scum though. Wolves would want to be on one of the wagons to not look like they didn't care.


    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#746)
    this is because i trust no one except myself.
    This is a bit silly. You need to find people that you trust to be town.

    I, for one, feel pretty good about warren being a villager here.
    Here we see Insaner OPENLY saying Warren is a villager when infact, they are wolves.
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#998)
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#29)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#25)
    It's RvS... It's used to get reactions but idk yet.
    Yeah but you also implied that your vote wasn't entirely random.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#383)
    Warren may even have a higher chance of flippng scum than Chemist tbh

    But it just feels so sudden and I'd rather we flipped the stale wagon today. I don't really see why we would let Chemist live given his attutude towards this game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#631)
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#621)
    Will continue with ISOs tomorrow. Who should I do next? First person to respond gets their wish.
    Gnome. Don't iso me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#748)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#664)
    the last two who jumped in the Chemist's wagon looks scum and i need to vote for the most dangerous one.
    For this reason
    I felt the same way about it. I don't think it makes warren scum though. Wolves would want to be on one of the wagons to not look like they didn't care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#746)
    this is because i trust no one except myself.
    This is a bit silly. You need to find people that you trust to be town.

    I, for one, feel pretty good about warren being a villager here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#820)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#816)
    Oh $#@! Insaner, we agree on summat? Nice!!
    He is saying kears should be in poe.
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#987)
    Insaner ISO

    #17: I like the instant push toward solving.

    #28: It looks like he’s trying to sort Mill Crab already.

    #29: Same with sorting kears.

    #54: He’s trying to sort me.

    #99: The second half of this feels kind of like he’s attempting to build rapport with and potentially pocket Mill Crab.

    #100: I like this question. He had been apprehensive about salt and this is an attempt to get inside salt’s head.

    #111: He questions why I have salt in my town bloc, consistent with what he had been looking for previously.

    #158: This barely moves the needle but I kinda like that he was attempting to get content out of people who had been posting previously but no longer were active.

    #264
    : This feels almost like a preemptive “Wolves can’t do this now because it’s exactly what I said would happen” which is obviously irrelevant in retrospect but a town thought to have.

    #379: He is suddenly open to my lynch.

    #381 and #383: He thinks I’m possibly scum, and maybe even more likely than chemist. From there he proceeds to think Chemist and I are possibly partners.

    #441: Says that he thinks it’s more likely that I’m scum if chemist flips red.

    #481: Interesting saying sheep may be pure directly after saying sheep is pretty good in #458. Seems like a weird step backward in a progression.

    TL;DR: I don’t like Insaner’s D1 as much as I thought I did. Some odd progressions and the like. I also feel as though far fewer of his posts were substantial than I expected. Downgraded from town to town lean.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insaner (#990)
    @The Lukundo so what do you think are the odds of wolf!warren coming into the thread to shade the only person that was fighting his wagon all day
    This looks and feels so planed to me. They sooo planed this in wolfchat.
    These are kears' case on Insaner and thinking warren could be paired with him. There's a lot of OMGUS going on here. The one point that I do like was talking about P#383. Granted, she was wrong about Insaner and warren, but it was a good reason to point out.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1004)
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch Kaine (#1001)
    Guys sorry for yet again posting low but I am struggling with the layiut of the forum and also what alot of stuff means.

    I see loads of people posting abbreviation that I have no idea what they are :-S

    Can someone at least tell me why breaking a tie is not suspect like i thought it was?
    Depending on what Warren flips (Meaning whatever role he is) the tie break is suspicious. What words that we're saying are you not understanding? Maybe I can help you.
    Here attempting to help out Enoch in the thread. It looks like she's trying to help out her "fellow townie" get used to the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1005)
    Quote Originally Posted by bbt (#1003)
    I don't really think Insaner and warren are wolf partners... I feel like they've been having interactions that call far too much attention for that to make sense. Near EoD Insaner's vote shift was the one that triggered warren's wagon becoming actually viable (it changed things from one leading wagon of 4 votes and a few people with 2 votes on them to two competing wagons of 3 votes, and then kears tipped the wagon shortly after). Then later Insaner moved his vote back to Chemist (actually, I never got why) and then the only votes that got added for warren after were self-pres votes. So at least I've associated Insaner with being a significant force behind last day's warren wagon. And of course he's been defending warren this whole day, to the point of the discussion just going in circles at times. It all stands out too much to make me think they're partners.

    @Insaner: Why did you move your vote back to Chemist in #463?
    What if that's what they want you to think? What if they are openwolfing because they can and by making it too good to be true so to speak no one believes it?
    Here trying to throw some more shade on Insaner and warren and trying to push them as w/w

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1159)
    Quote Originally Posted by bbt (#1071)
    kears, you've been gunning for warren since the start of day but it's not clear to me exactly what your reasoning is. Could you tell me about it?
    The guy is sketchy...and honestly I've kinda switched gears from him and shifted to Insaner. I believe they are a team but this is pending a Warren flip.
    But then later on she had a hard time justifying why she wants warren lynched, which doesn't really track since she had been gunning for his head for a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1173)
    @warren42 claim? your at L-2.
    I dislike that kears was trying to force warren to claim here 9 hours from EOD and 3 hours from when he was hammered. She was way too eager to get warren's claim out in the open, which would really only help wolves.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1227)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mill Crab (#1223)
    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#1125)
    Oh! We both read that as you asking me not to ISO you!
    Hm. Yeah warren never actually said that. That, like, looks really bad :/
    Thank you!
    This feels pockety to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1237)
    Quote Originally Posted by warren42 (#1234)
    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1159)
    The guy is sketchy...and honestly I've kinda switched gears from him and shifted to Insaner. I believe they are a team but this is pending a Warren flip.
    Yes I was, but now Gnome is my number 1 and Mill Crab is 2.
    Claim please. You've done nothing to defend yourself except point your finger at others.
    Again pushing for a claim super early.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1375)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#1372)
    Tomorrow @Michelle we’re gonna carry $#@!.
    I have a feeling you and me are high kill targets...
    :thinking: kind of hard to be high kill targets if you're a wolf. Also, kears had just hard tunneled 2 town in Insaner and warren so I don't know why she thought she'd be night killed.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1443)
    ##Vote sheepsaysmeep I want your reads
    This is a bad vote imo because sheep had been putting his thoughts in the thread and it's like she wasn't even reading his posts. I also don't really know why she thought sheep was scum. The last time she even talked about it was a reply to Enoch's team of Insaner/warren/sheep winning the game and the scum getting wrecked, and I think she didn't like that he was pushing Lukundo?

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1512)
    Quote Originally Posted by senorsalt (#1507)
    Trying to figure whose flip would be Alignment indicative. atm to me i still feel like kears or GG would be.
    I'm on my phone and can't get to my computer for the night. What you think isn't what you know.


    Reads will be posted if I live, tomorrow...

    My PoE is sheep/salt/Enoch/GG
    This POE is yikes, given how most people feel about salt.

    Quote Originally Posted by kears123 (#1517)
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch Kaine (#1516)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1499)
    if you can grow your wagon I wouldn't mind to jump in it.
    But why not Enoch? he is not useful to the game at all. staying low it's not an option for a townie, so why is he so discreet, if he's not wolf?


    I am not useful because you guys have not been very welcoming to be fair. Most of the stuff that you discuss goes over my head.
    But thanks for the welcome. :-)

    I am totally new to these games so trying to learn but hard when all you guys do is accuse one another and talk code.

    If it helps the town win the game go for it.
    I have offered to help you but you never responded to me... What don't you understand?
    Reaching out the olive branch one last time to Enoch and trying to appear helpful.


    $#@! that took waaaay too long. But basically there's my case on kears. She's felt forced at times, she's tunneled town for undefined reasons, I dislike that she was trying to force claims out into the open, and she's several posts that seem townie more than they feel believably townie.

    thanks for the time and effort. It was large but like i said it will give the most info by going after kears.

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    Kears looks too nonchalant with her post. At a time like this a townie would say something more than a fluffy post.
    I will start to ISO everyone, and i will let Kears the last because i already done it in the previous day and Mill Crab made his ISO on her too.

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