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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#800)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#799)
    you know what... it isn't even necessarily random
    guy could've actually been thinking he could lure some mafia out that way, i dunno
    it would be pretty easy to sway the "randomness" if coordinated
    No it is random lmao, you can't actually from a half decent read off that
    right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#781)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#776)
    I think the fact that Zone actually wants to ignore all of this is actually towny. I think scum him would be more interested in pushing one of these people.
    He is half advocating to kill us tbh. He is asking for us to get vigged despite claiming not sr us
    Not SR-ing you? Dude. I have stated both the reason to SR AND TR you and FTF. How the hell am I able to make a choice when you three are both scummy and towny at the same time!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#782)
    Sure wish the lowposters would come in here and say things
    FTF + Luk on Dusk is interesting
    Why are you even bothering on calling out the lowposters? Just have them be subbed or modkilled.
    Inactives are not something new. Focus on the actives.

    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#783)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#781)
    He is half advocating to kill us tbh. He is asking for us to get vigged despite claiming not sr us
    He’s wanting to kill you since you are annoying him, you are lucky you aren’t on his grudge list lmao
    Fun fact: I actually have that list in MU.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#784)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#780)
    I blame Litten for confusing me, but my decision to get rid of all three of you from the spotlight is my choice.
    But you aren't because you are pressuring us, why aren't you pressuring the people you want to be pressured?
    How the f*** am I supposed to do that when you three f***ers are taking the spotlight!?
    Not to mention, I already ordered @Litten to focus on @El-ahrairah and @Maxwell, but I have yet to see anything from that side!


    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#785)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#780)
    Would it happen to be Firekitten?
    Nah it's Lissa
    mostly cause double consonant + kitten imagery
    Oh. ...yeah, that makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#802)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#782)
    Sure wish the lowposters would come in here and say things
    FTF + Luk on Dusk is interesting
    Why are you even bothering on calling out the lowposters? Just have them be subbed or modkilled.
    Inactives are not something new. Focus on the actives.
    like in the rest of that post you quoted? or literally anything else I've said up to that point? there's nothin I can do about them modwise lol

    I'm mostly just looking for new perspectives on $#@! or new people because I'm stuck on these guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#797)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#792)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#791)
    Gonna be online more later, focusing on other stuff and don't have time to focus while I read up RN
    We already voted and we decided to have a vigilante kill you tonight
    oh no not the N1 vigilante that is in this setup :P
    see you guys later
    Right, but guess which N1 role is able to screw people over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#798)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#795)
    Why did you state the obvious, Dusk? Do you fear death?
    I would rather not be vigged if that is what you are asking lmao
    ...like Ryast said: There is no N1 Vigilante. Why are you so serious~?
    ...it looks like the N2 vigi has a target now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#803)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#802)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#782)
    Sure wish the lowposters would come in here and say things
    FTF + Luk on Dusk is interesting
    Why are you even bothering on calling out the lowposters? Just have them be subbed or modkilled.
    Inactives are not something new. Focus on the actives.
    like in the rest of that post you quoted? or literally anything else I've said up to that point? there's nothin I can do about them modwise lol

    I'm mostly just looking for new perspectives on $#@! or new people because I'm stuck on these guys
    That's why I'm ordering Litten to check on El-ahrairah and Maxwell, but that cat's gone for the eyeball instead.

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    Well then folks. It's officially past 1AM, and I need to work for 20 hours within the next 48 hours on uni-stuff. I say: Get rid of those three stooges and have a good night!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#805)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#803)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#802)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#782)
    Sure wish the lowposters would come in here and say things
    FTF + Luk on Dusk is interesting
    Why are you even bothering on calling out the lowposters? Just have them be subbed or modkilled.
    Inactives are not something new. Focus on the actives.
    like in the rest of that post you quoted? or literally anything else I've said up to that point? there's nothin I can do about them modwise lol

    I'm mostly just looking for new perspectives on $#@! or new people because I'm stuck on these guys
    That's why I'm ordering Litten to check on El-ahrairah and Maxwell, but that cat's gone for the eyeball instead.
    to be fair the eyeball annoys me too but I can't for the life of me put into words why

    el used a playstyle that has always come across to me as town but I can't recall his actual content rn
    max seems like noobtown but his wording of things is confusing to say the least
    I should iso them both tonight if not sooner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#806)
    Well then folks. It's officially past 1AM, and I need to work for 20 hours within the next 48 hours on uni-stuff. I say: Get rid of those three stooges and have a good night!
    night! and good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#804)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#797)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#792)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#791)
    Gonna be online more later, focusing on other stuff and don't have time to focus while I read up RN
    We already voted and we decided to have a vigilante kill you tonight
    oh no not the N1 vigilante that is in this setup :P
    see you guys later
    Right, but guess which N1 role is able to screw people over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#798)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#795)
    Why did you state the obvious, Dusk? Do you fear death?
    I would rather not be vigged if that is what you are asking lmao
    ...like Ryast said: There is no N1 Vigilante. Why are you so serious~?
    ...it looks like the N2 vigi has a target now.
    Go ahead and target me, tbh.

    Caught up. Had a lot less to read than I thought.

    Still ended up skimming a bit. If anyone has anything they want to ask, feel free

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#809)
    Caught up. Had a lot less to read than I thought.

    Still ended up skimming a bit. If anyone has anything they want to ask, feel free
    Haven't seen a whole lot from you tho I probably just skimmed most of it. Current reads/targets/faves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#810)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#809)
    Caught up. Had a lot less to read than I thought.

    Still ended up skimming a bit. If anyone has anything they want to ask, feel free
    Haven't seen a whole lot from you tho I probably just skimmed most of it. Current reads/targets/faves?
    Mmm, atm not much

    I'm fairly confident on litten town after the skim, which probably means dusk town too. The idea of solving FTF is terrifying. and I think lukundo is who I'd go after if I had to shoot someone right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#811)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#810)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#809)
    Caught up. Had a lot less to read than I thought.

    Still ended up skimming a bit. If anyone has anything they want to ask, feel free
    Haven't seen a whole lot from you tho I probably just skimmed most of it. Current reads/targets/faves?
    Mmm, atm not much

    I'm fairly confident on litten town after the skim, which probably means dusk town too. The idea of solving FTF is terrifying. and I think lukundo is who I'd go after if I had to shoot someone right now
    can i ask why for lukundo? ive gotten a general bad vibe from him but i cant put my finger on why

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#812)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#811)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#810)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#809)
    Caught up. Had a lot less to read than I thought.

    Still ended up skimming a bit. If anyone has anything they want to ask, feel free
    Haven't seen a whole lot from you tho I probably just skimmed most of it. Current reads/targets/faves?
    Mmm, atm not much

    I'm fairly confident on litten town after the skim, which probably means dusk town too. The idea of solving FTF is terrifying. and I think lukundo is who I'd go after if I had to shoot someone right now
    can i ask why for lukundo? ive gotten a general bad vibe from him but i cant put my finger on why
    Mostly the same as you, gut and also just a lack of other scumreads. His entrance felt bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#813)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#812)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#811)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#810)
    Haven't seen a whole lot from you tho I probably just skimmed most of it. Current reads/targets/faves?
    Mmm, atm not much

    I'm fairly confident on litten town after the skim, which probably means dusk town too. The idea of solving FTF is terrifying. and I think lukundo is who I'd go after if I had to shoot someone right now
    can i ask why for lukundo? ive gotten a general bad vibe from him but i cant put my finger on why
    Mostly the same as you, gut and also just a lack of other scumreads. His entrance felt bad.
    I hate that we basically have the same reads here
    thoughts on maxwell? zone q? anyone else? lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#814)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#813)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#812)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#811)
    Mmm, atm not much

    I'm fairly confident on litten town after the skim, which probably means dusk town too. The idea of solving FTF is terrifying. and I think lukundo is who I'd go after if I had to shoot someone right now
    can i ask why for lukundo? ive gotten a general bad vibe from him but i cant put my finger on why
    Mostly the same as you, gut and also just a lack of other scumreads. His entrance felt bad.
    I hate that we basically have the same reads here
    thoughts on maxwell? zone q? anyone else? lmao
    Zone Q i initially SRed but his responses have been fairly good? Still a light SR there though.
    Maxwell I haven't been paying close enough attention to. Going to be tough to tell between inexperienced town and scum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#815)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#814)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#813)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#812)
    can i ask why for lukundo? ive gotten a general bad vibe from him but i cant put my finger on why
    Mostly the same as you, gut and also just a lack of other scumreads. His entrance felt bad.
    I hate that we basically have the same reads here
    thoughts on maxwell? zone q? anyone else? lmao
    Zone Q i initially SRed but his responses have been fairly good? Still a light SR there though.
    Maxwell I haven't been paying close enough attention to. Going to be tough to tell between inexperienced town and scum
    gonna iso you really quick, there's probably enough for me to make an opinion there

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    Also, I want El to be town, but something in my gut is telling me to be scared. They were super nice at first and have shifted into more of a typical mafia playstyle, which kinda worries me that they might have been trying to get townread early before starting reads

    Fairly sure there's mafia among low posters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#817)
    Also, I want El to be town, but something in my gut is telling me to be scared. They were super nice at first and have shifted into more of a typical mafia playstyle, which kinda worries me that they might have been trying to get townread early before starting reads

    Fairly sure there's mafia among low posters
    unfortunately to both

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#643)
    also hi sorry I'm at work have some gut reads

    FTFlush tone feels super town so far (tho idk abt his strategy)
    El also town
    Fossil town

    Litten is acceptably town
    Still think Maxwell probably town

    Lukundo is ??? for me, bouncing back and forth
    Zone is iffy to scum
    Don't trust Duskfall from what you guys have pointed out but I'd need to think on it myself to make sure
    he seemed townish earlier but not convincingly

    sorry theres not much to argue on here i gotta go
    Alk what are your reads now and how have they changed since here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#819)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#643)
    also hi sorry I'm at work have some gut reads

    FTFlush tone feels super town so far (tho idk abt his strategy)
    El also town
    Fossil town

    Litten is acceptably town
    Still think Maxwell probably town

    Lukundo is ??? for me, bouncing back and forth
    Zone is iffy to scum
    Don't trust Duskfall from what you guys have pointed out but I'd need to think on it myself to make sure
    he seemed townish earlier but not convincingly

    sorry theres not much to argue on here i gotta go
    Alk what are your reads now and how have they changed since here
    the top three haven't been in since then so idk on them

    litten is probably town but #paranoia
    I'm still on maxwell town
    zone q11 also probably town
    if i believe litten dusk would also be town and his points are valid but im still not sure
    Still higher than he was before on my list

    lmao lukundo is my only solid scumread. after i get off work i gotta reread/iso these folks

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    i went thru my reasoning on zone shortly after i posted that readslist so

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    to clarify: luk is not really a solid scumread, he's my only one is what i meant
    and i hadn't really had a good grasp on zones style when i posted the first list
    shortly afterward is when it clicked for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#820)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#819)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#643)
    also hi sorry I'm at work have some gut reads

    FTFlush tone feels super town so far (tho idk abt his strategy)
    El also town
    Fossil town

    Litten is acceptably town
    Still think Maxwell probably town

    Lukundo is ??? for me, bouncing back and forth
    Zone is iffy to scum
    Don't trust Duskfall from what you guys have pointed out but I'd need to think on it myself to make sure
    he seemed townish earlier but not convincingly

    sorry theres not much to argue on here i gotta go
    Alk what are your reads now and how have they changed since here
    the top three haven't been in since then so idk on them

    litten is probably town but #paranoia
    I'm still on maxwell town
    zone q11 also probably town
    if i believe litten dusk would also be town and his points are valid but im still not sure
    Still higher than he was before on my list

    lmao lukundo is my only solid scumread. after i get off work i gotta reread/iso these folks
    How would you feel if I told you that my exact play style as scum is getting town read and basically destroying the town from the inside out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#643)
    also hi sorry I'm at work have some gut reads

    FTFlush tone feels super town so far (tho idk abt his strategy)
    El also town
    Fossil town

    Litten is acceptably town
    Still think Maxwell probably town

    Lukundo is ??? for me, bouncing back and forth
    Zone is iffy to scum
    Don't trust Duskfall from what you guys have pointed out but I'd need to think on it myself to make sure
    he seemed townish earlier but not convincingly

    sorry theres not much to argue on here i gotta go
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#823)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#820)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#819)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#643)
    also hi sorry I'm at work have some gut reads

    FTFlush tone feels super town so far (tho idk abt his strategy)
    El also town
    Fossil town

    Litten is acceptably town
    Still think Maxwell probably town

    Lukundo is ??? for me, bouncing back and forth
    Zone is iffy to scum
    Don't trust Duskfall from what you guys have pointed out but I'd need to think on it myself to make sure
    he seemed townish earlier but not convincingly

    sorry theres not much to argue on here i gotta go
    Alk what are your reads now and how have they changed since here
    the top three haven't been in since then so idk on them

    litten is probably town but #paranoia
    I'm still on maxwell town
    zone q11 also probably town
    if i believe litten dusk would also be town and his points are valid but im still not sure
    Still higher than he was before on my list

    lmao lukundo is my only solid scumread. after i get off work i gotta reread/iso these folks
    How would you feel if I told you that my exact play style as scum is getting town read and basically destroying the town from the inside out
    I'd believe you and not care because I still think you're town

    you were asking alk though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#824)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#643)
    also hi sorry I'm at work have some gut reads

    FTFlush tone feels super town so far (tho idk abt his strategy)
    El also town
    Fossil town

    Litten is acceptably town
    Still think Maxwell probably town

    Lukundo is ??? for me, bouncing back and forth
    Zone is iffy to scum
    Don't trust Duskfall from what you guys have pointed out but I'd need to think on it myself to make sure
    he seemed townish earlier but not convincingly

    sorry theres not much to argue on here i gotta go
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#823)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#820)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#819)
    Alk what are your reads now and how have they changed since here
    the top three haven't been in since then so idk on them

    litten is probably town but #paranoia
    I'm still on maxwell town
    zone q11 also probably town
    if i believe litten dusk would also be town and his points are valid but im still not sure
    Still higher than he was before on my list

    lmao lukundo is my only solid scumread. after i get off work i gotta reread/iso these folks
    How would you feel if I told you that my exact play style as scum is getting town read and basically destroying the town from the inside out
    I'd believe you and not care because I still think you're town

    you were asking alk though
    never cleared my multi-quote rip

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#820)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#819)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#643)
    also hi sorry I'm at work have some gut reads

    FTFlush tone feels super town so far (tho idk abt his strategy)
    El also town
    Fossil town

    Litten is acceptably town
    Still think Maxwell probably town

    Lukundo is ??? for me, bouncing back and forth
    Zone is iffy to scum
    Don't trust Duskfall from what you guys have pointed out but I'd need to think on it myself to make sure
    he seemed townish earlier but not convincingly

    sorry theres not much to argue on here i gotta go
    Alk what are your reads now and how have they changed since here
    the top three haven't been in since then so idk on them

    litten is probably town but #paranoia
    I'm still on maxwell town
    zone q11 also probably town
    if i believe litten dusk would also be town and his points are valid but im still not sure
    Still higher than he was before on my list

    lmao lukundo is my only solid scumread. after i get off work i gotta reread/iso these folks
    by lukundo boujncing back and forth. How does that translate to scum?

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    4 The Lukundo Duskfall (176), kneeneighbor (9), Maxwell (58), Litten (127)
    2 Duskfall FTFlush (88), The Lukundo (104)
    1 Maxwell El-ahrairah (67)
    1 Zone Q11 Ryast (22)
    1 FTFlush Zone Q11 (43)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#823)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#820)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#819)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#643)
    also hi sorry I'm at work have some gut reads

    FTFlush tone feels super town so far (tho idk abt his strategy)
    El also town
    Fossil town

    Litten is acceptably town
    Still think Maxwell probably town

    Lukundo is ??? for me, bouncing back and forth
    Zone is iffy to scum
    Don't trust Duskfall from what you guys have pointed out but I'd need to think on it myself to make sure
    he seemed townish earlier but not convincingly

    sorry theres not much to argue on here i gotta go
    Alk what are your reads now and how have they changed since here
    the top three haven't been in since then so idk on them

    litten is probably town but #paranoia
    I'm still on maxwell town
    zone q11 also probably town
    if i believe litten dusk would also be town and his points are valid but im still not sure
    Still higher than he was before on my list

    lmao lukundo is my only solid scumread. after i get off work i gotta reread/iso these folks
    How would you feel if I told you that my exact play style as scum is getting town read and basically destroying the town from the inside out
    i will eat you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#826)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#820)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#819)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#643)
    also hi sorry I'm at work have some gut reads

    FTFlush tone feels super town so far (tho idk abt his strategy)
    El also town
    Fossil town

    Litten is acceptably town
    Still think Maxwell probably town

    Lukundo is ??? for me, bouncing back and forth
    Zone is iffy to scum
    Don't trust Duskfall from what you guys have pointed out but I'd need to think on it myself to make sure
    he seemed townish earlier but not convincingly

    sorry theres not much to argue on here i gotta go
    Alk what are your reads now and how have they changed since here
    the top three haven't been in since then so idk on them

    litten is probably town but #paranoia
    I'm still on maxwell town
    zone q11 also probably town
    if i believe litten dusk would also be town and his points are valid but im still not sure
    Still higher than he was before on my list

    lmao lukundo is my only solid scumread. after i get off work i gotta reread/iso these folks
    by lukundo boujncing back and forth. How does that translate to scum?
    i really wish i knew

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    Im also the head coach for womens fastpitch and we had a game. Long day.

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    I will be awake for 4-5 more hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwell (#834)
    There is a good chance I will be asleep at EOD.
    I will be awake for 4-5 more hours.
    If anyone wants to interact with me before EOD, please ping me.
    Actually, I can pretty much guarantee this point that I will be asleep at EOD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#356)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#355)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#354)
    This is bad.
    Que?
    His exit is scummy af.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#357)
    Like O $#@! I $#@!ed up. Time to leave
    I feel as if the only ones Luks won't attack are scum if he flips scum.
    Basically, he attacks too many people.[/QUOTE]

    Lol, I think it may be possible. I gave my reason for my unvote as well as why I had to sign off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#415)
    Town have votes for a reason, and imo it is always beneficial to use it. If I don't have a strong scumread on someone so what? There is never a loss to me to pressure someone even if it is just a small bit.
    Yeah, I have to agree with this. Voting is town's primary tool against the wolves, so not using it is a point in their favor. And IIRC, there aren't any vigilantes in this setup, so lynching is the only way to go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#517)
    Quote Originally Posted by FTFlush (#516)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#513)
    Flush how much of a buzzer are you,
    absolutely filthy
    i lynch scum more often as scum
    i bus in lylo
    i bus on d1
    i hate having teammates actually
    rand me sk
    Brutally honest because I had a tinfoil of this being a bus and that’s why I asked
    I can't tell if this is brutal honesty or a joke. Bussing in LyLo sounds awful, unless maybe there's already a wagon on your teammate and you need some towncred.

    Anyway, from what I've read so far, it does seem like FTF is tunneling hard into Dusk. I don't think scum would bring that much attention to themselves, but I'm not really familiar with his playstyle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#627)
    Quote Originally Posted by icmnfrsh (#230)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#69)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#67)
    Eh, that feels either really reachy or really Level 0.

    Litten just told us that he's aware enough of his own meta that he's purposely broken it previously, thus making all attempts to meta-read him now, moot.

    Would scum!Litten also big-up his own previous wolfsperience? Or would it be in his best interest to try to downplay his skill at subverting meta reads?

    I feel like what Litten said was null to mild town at best.
    Yeah I guess I can see it can be taken both ways. It just feels like an odd thing to say early, telling us stories about himself without being asked afaik. I am not trying to reach here, or even advocating other's to jump on this because it is not super incriminating regardless. Just voting who I see is worst so far, even if the worst isn't bad at all. Not like I am going to tunnel this or anything.

    Telling people that a way of reading you is ineffective benefits your scum play more than your town play imo. Unless you get misread as town for scum I guess, which he hasn't indicated to have happened. So I do not get why explaining that helps town him. Obviously aside from the argument he is just forwarding early game discussion which is valid.
    Yeah, I do agree it's a bit early to talk about metas, especially when not everyone here knows each other anyway. And like I said earlier, you can always try to subvert your meta, especially if someone had pointed it out to you. I've done it before and tricked someone who usually reads me correctly into thinking I was town
    This post is ironically hypocritical
    Well it's not like I was using something I did before to prove that I'm town. I'm just demonstrating that metas can be subverted if you're aware of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by icmnfrsh (#837)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#415)
    Town have votes for a reason, and imo it is always beneficial to use it. If I don't have a strong scumread on someone so what? There is never a loss to me to pressure someone even if it is just a small bit.
    Yeah, I have to agree with this. Voting is town's primary tool against the wolves, so not using it is a point in their favor. And IIRC, there aren't any vigilantes in this setup, so lynching is the only way to go
    Yeah, never mind, there actually are vigilantes, but my point still stands about voting being town's primary tool against the Mafia/wolves

    Anyway, I woke up to 10 new pages on this thread. It's kind of hard to wrap my head around everything that's happened, but I mostly saw FTF tunneling into Dusk. I get that you'd want to pressure someone to see how they would react, but I think too much time was spent on that back-and-forth

    FTF seems town to me
    I don't like how Luk somewhat blended into the background during the thing between FTF and Dusk
    Maxwell is null. He did say he slightly scumread Fossil around the time I went to bed, but it kind of fizzled out when $#@! went down later on

    I'll ISO the other players' posts later when I have time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#754)
    @El-ahrairah why is lukando town?
    I get the impression so far that he's doing his own thing without an agenda. His arguments and suspicions seem focused around his own activity in the game in a way that seems townie and not calculated.

    Just woke up, am going to get myself some cough/cold medicine and breakfast, bbiab.

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    4 The Lukundo Duskfall (176), kneeneighbor (10), Maxwell (60), Litten (130)
    2 Duskfall FTFlush (88), The Lukundo (104)
    1 Maxwell El-ahrairah (68)
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    ##Unvote Zone Q11

    Don’t really believe this anymore. I’ll be back later to place my EoD vote.

    Sorry about being a fairly low poster so far. Hoping I can up that later when I actually start seeing stuff I want to say.

    Also hoping we can either summon our 5 near-0 posters or replace them. Might make this game easier to solve if they started playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#643)
    also hi sorry I'm at work have some gut reads

    FTFlush tone feels super town so far (tho idk abt his strategy)
    El also town
    Fossil town

    Litten is acceptably town

    Still think Maxwell probably town

    Lukundo is ??? for me, bouncing back and forth
    Zone is iffy to scum
    Don't trust Duskfall from what you guys have pointed out but I'd need to think on it myself to make sure
    he seemed townish earlier but not convincingly

    sorry theres not much to argue on here i gotta go
    @Alkanthe

    Have you played with Fossil before/have some meta on him I'm not aware of? Could you explain why you have him higher in your townlist than Litten, whom I have at the top of mine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#646)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkanthe (#643)
    Zone is iffy to scum
    HELLO LUKUNDO 2.0!
    #irony

    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#653)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#607)
    Bookmarked, reading tonight.
    Not much I can do with this, seems like he is doing is very best to slip by, which tbf is what I would do in his situation
    @Duskfall

    Can you explain to me "his situation" as you see it?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#679)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#678)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#674)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#659)
    Reasoning please?
    can you give me the whole chain of quotes?

    Why do you think maxwell is town?
    O. Cause of the $#@!ty push on them from you and El. Also I think their reaction to it wasn’t $#@!ty.
    @The Lukundo

    Can you elaborate on what part of my push was "$#@!ty"? I've since outlined my reasoning which you said you had bookmarked and would read. Have you read it and find it $#@!ty? Or do you think Duskfall/I are scum thus any push he/I make is "$#@!ty" and if so, is that why you think Max is town?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#690)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#675)
    I forgot why Lukundo was pushed up, while the battle between you and FTF are becoming more interesting.
    He came in shading el and me (to his own admission). He then spent several pages arguing with me trying to say shading isn't scummy. In the end he didn't even know what shading was, so he completed bsed for several pages, even linking games trying to prove where he done it. The amount of lies seems scummy to me, he was on the defensive too much. He could simply have said in the beginning that he didn't know what shading was, rather than going into auto argue mode that a behaviour he wasn't aware of is nai.
    I'm struggling to see how you get Luk = scum from this. He said he "shades" people as either alignment, which he does (have played several games with him, can confirm) and therefore it is entirely acceptable that he thinks "shading" is not scummy - because if he does it regardless of his alignment, then from his own POV it is NAI.

    Do you think a wolf says "Yes, I do shade people" rather than try to argue the toss? Do you think a wolf continues claiming he shades people and that it's NAI instead of going and looking up the phrase "shading" in the mafia dictionary? Do you think a wolf purposely makes himself look dodgy like this?

    IME, wolves care more about their appearance than town do. That Luk insisted he shades people all the time and then admits that he's not fully conscious of what the phrase means tells me that he doesn't care about "looking" townie and therefore probably is townie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#695)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#684)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#676)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#671)
    Then where would you look? Would you look lukando wagon or the zero posters?
    Probably on my wagon because it feels like some people kinda used ftf as an excuse to hop on without actually giving a good reason why. I would be amazingly shocked if no scum is voting me rn.

    Aside from that maxwell is beginning to look worse again I think, but I want him to get on to talk to him.

    Who are you sring rn litten?
    Ironically I’m starting to town read you and I’m trying to look for a different wagon which is why I’m asking a lot of questions to see where I can poke next.

    The thing is I don’t want to go to lukando cause I want to start something new, any suggestions dusk?
    I am ngl, I would prefer you not sheep me and try to solve on your own because that is most constructive to town. Honestly just pick someone who has not been pressured yet and prssure them. They don't have to be a scum read, it will help you solve the slot. El/alk haven't really been pushed at all yet afaik
    Why do you tell Litten that you don't want to be sheeped, then offer up the names of 2 players he might want to push on, one of whom Litten had already expressed an interest in pushing?

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    ##Vote icmnfrsh

    Curious about this slot. Getting a gut scummy feel from the recent few posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#845)
    ##Vote icmnfrsh

    Curious about this slot. Getting a gut scummy feel from the recent few posts.
    Placed a finger on it. There’s no curiosity, no reads. It’s just giving a summary instead of going through what that summary MEANS for the town.

    Ha’s talking facts instead of thoughts. 5 posts in a row without a single read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#846)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#845)
    ##Vote icmnfrsh

    Curious about this slot. Getting a gut scummy feel from the recent few posts.
    Placed a finger on it. There’s no curiosity, no reads. It’s just giving a summary instead of going through what that summary MEANS for the town.

    Ha’s talking facts instead of thoughts. 5 posts in a row without a single read.
    Nvm there were reads in the last post

    Still don’t feel genuine to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#713)
    I gave dusk a clear shot chance to manipulate my vote a little. It could have been a perfect chance to get me to vote ftf for a example.

    He didn’t want to and him denying it didn’t seem like a way to get town read. It felt genuine
    I'm not sure why you consider a lack of falling for obvious bait to be a town trait. If Dusk's post was actually pure he would've said "don't sheep me" and left it at that, instead of offering 2 names of players for you to "pressure" - one being me, and why would you want to pressure me since I am already freely engaging with everybody? The other you have already expressed a desire to case (Alk). If anything, I'd say his post could a subtle encouragement of your suspicion of Alk and definitely not worthy of a townread.

    But that's just me.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#716)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#715)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#712)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#711)
    So because there was a $#@!ty push, he is town? Why not null?
    Because I think that it’s more fabricated because he’s not scum he doesn’t have an actual case.
    What about the case doesn't seem real to you?

    El didn’t have his heart in it
    and you considered the thought of him being Town way too much for it to seem like you were taking it seriously. Like if you flip Town I actually believe you thought I was scum but even if you flip Town I won’t believe you believed your push on Max.
    And yet my vote is still on him.

    You might want to engage your brain before you spew bull$#@!.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#740)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#733)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zone Q11 (#730)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskfall (#728)
    It is based on the fact ftf has interacted with essentially no one in the game except me, despite being in thread a long time. This happened right after I led a wagon on luk which built to 5, which is pretty big for that early in the game. He seemed to have a lot of partner equity with Luk. I still am not sure why he has only interacted with me. His sole contribution to this game so far has been to try get my lynched. He has not attempted to solve any other slots so far.
    ...let's see what this button does.

    ##Vote FTFlush
    Why are switching from me to ftf, do you scumread us both?
    To be honest, I am at a point where I want to get rid of you three because I can't follow the arguments. Your "main" arguments seem... weak. I am not talking about your arguments, but also those from FTF and Luks.
    Meanwhile, I got no reads from Luks because he didn't join FTF (much) attacking you. I want to ask Vigi to kill all you three. First Luks, then you if Luks flips town, then... to be honest, I want to get FTF to talk more with other people before I judge him again.

    This topic's been dragging way too much aggro from the other players. I want to hear more from El, Maxwell and Alk. (Unsure about that Alk. I want him to read more on you before I judge him again.)
    You don't have to wait for me, or any other player, to make posts. Feel free to ping if you want to interact. It wouldn't have made any difference since I was in bed by that point, but you could've left questions/whatever for me for this morning.

    Now that I'm here, what do you want to hear about?

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    It's day 1. All I'm getting so far is that FTF tunneled hard into Dusk, probably to get something out of him and to test how people will react. IIRC I did say that it's not something scum would do. I wouldn't lynch FTF today

    There are also some people who haven't spoken up. It would be nice if we could hear from them

    I'm at work right now so I can't go into depth and ISO the people who have been here. Especially when I spent a good amount of time reading 10 pages before going to work. BUT if I had to vote someone now, off the top of my head, I could go with Luk. I don't like how he kind of faded in the background during the discussion between FTF and Dusk. Plus his lynch would shed light on how people behaved on D1

    ##Vote The Lukundo

    We still have 12 more hours, so I'll check in later

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