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    Democrats versus Fox News: Game Information!

    This is an automated game of Mafia.

    Phase Lengths

    Days are 2 days in length. Nights are 1 day in length. The game starts Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 2pm ET.

    If you were subbed out of the most recent game hosted by me in which you participated, you are welcome to join the next game I host (instead of this one) after you have established a track record of playing in at least two non-turbo games hosted by other folks wherein you post substantively without being subbed out.

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    2. Impeaceful
    3. Underking
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    16 Town
    Robert O'Rourke, Emissary
    Andrew Yang, Town Alignment Cop | Cycle 1
    Tom Steyer, Town Alignment Cop | Odd Night
    Julian Castro, Town Alignment Cop | Even Night
    Bernie Sanders, Town Doctor | Odd Night
    Cory Booker, Town Doctor | Even Night
    Elizabeth Warren, Town Doctor | Backup
    Pete Buttigieg, Town Innocent Child | Cycle 2, 4, 5, 6
    Joe Biden, Town Treestump
    Kamala Harris, Town Jailkeeper
    Amy Klobuchar, Town Jailkeeper | Backup
    Michael Bennet, Vanilla Town
    Bill de Blasio, Vanilla Town
    Tulsi Gabbard, Vanilla Town
    Kirsten Gillibrand, Vanilla Town
    Marianne Williamson, Vanilla Town

    5 Mafia
    Sean Hannity, Mafia Vigilante | x1 Strongman | Godfather*
    Laura Ingraham, Mafia Vigilante | Backup | x1 Strongman | Godfather*
    Tucker Carlson, Mafia Poisoner | Godfather*
    Jesse Watters, Mafia Poisoner | Backup | Godfather*
    Greg Gutfeld, Mafia Suicide Bomber | Cycle 4, 5, 6 | Godfather*
    *All Mafia players will be manually revealed to the investigating cop within one hour after the start of day as Mafia notwithstanding their designations as "Godfather" unless the investigated Mafioso correctly submitted at least one Anti-Claim on the same or a previous night.

    Each member of the Mafia may nightly submit only one PM to the host naming a member of the Town and his or her non-vanilla role except a revealed Innocent Child or dead Treestump. The submission must specify the exact role, including whether it is backup, cycle, odd, etc. A correctly submitted player may not be submitted more than once.
    • An incorrect submission results in the death of the submitting player 2 to 4 hours before EOD.
    • The first correct submission results in an investigation of your alignment remaining uncorrected as "Town" for the remainder of the game.
    • A correct submission by a Mafioso who has already submitted correctly on a prior night will result in the death of the submitted player 2 to 4 hours before EOD.
    • No cop receives a result n0--only the Emissary.
    • Day never ends early.
    • Town wins when all the Mafia have been eliminated.
    • The Mafia win when they achieve parity with the Town.
    • Votes should be made only by proxy using the form below the thread.
    • Votes are not locked in at LYLO.
    • The Town must always lynch.
    • Mafia factional kills are disabled. Mafia do not get a factional kill each night.
    • Mafia may communicate only during Night.
    • Tied votes are decided randomly.
    • At death, only the alignment flips. I will post ASAP after the flip "Emissary" if the player was the Emissary, "Cop" if the player was one of the three Cops, and "Neither Emissary nor Cop" for all other flips.
    • Daily Posting Requirement: 6 posts by 24 hours before EOD and 30 posts by 4 hours before EOD, but posts longer than a tweet count for 2 posts, and posts longer than two tweets count for 3 posts. (Quotes and votes don't count.) In other words, 10 substantive posts are required every 48 hour-day.
    Each Townie must, during the last 12 hours of d1 (timestamp 1:59pm ET good; 2:00pm ET bad), submit only one PM to the host containing a list of exactly 8 players most likely to flip red. If your list has:
    • 1, 2, or 3 mafia on it, a placebo pill is created.
    • 4 mafia on it, a pill granting 2 BPVs (one for you and one for another player of your choice) is created.
    • 0 mafia on it, a pill causing death 2-4 hours before EOD3 is created.
    • all 5 mafia on it, a pill causing death to a randomly chosen scum 2-4 hours before EOD2 is created.
    The pills have cumulative effects and are randomly administered to each Townie (excess pill[s] are discarded) on n1. Include with your list to whom you want to give any BPV won. Failure to submit the list timely constitutes a failure to meet the minimum standard of participation, and a sub would be sought.
    Role PMs:

    VERSUS



    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Robert O'Rourke, Emissary. The host will separately send you the name of a randomly chosen fellow member of the Town. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Andrew Yang, Town Alignment Cop | Cycle 1. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Alignment Cop

    As Town Alignment Cop, you have access to the Alignment Inspection Night Action. Alignment Inspection will reveal a target's alignment. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If you do not submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the un-Inspected living players.

    Cycle X

    The Cycle X modifier makes your role restricted to one cycle. You may act during that cycle but will be unable to act before and after.

    You can act on Cycle 1 in this game.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Tom Steyer, Town Alignment Cop | Odd Night. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Alignment Cop

    As Town Alignment Cop, you have access to the Alignment Inspection Night Action. Alignment Inspection will reveal a target's alignment. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If you do not submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the un-Inspected living players.

    Odd Night

    The Odd Night modifier limits you to only submit Night actions on Odd numbered Nights.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Julian Castro, Town Alignment Cop | Even Night. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Alignment Cop

    As Town Alignment Cop, you have access to the Alignment Inspection Night Action. Alignment Inspection will reveal a target's alignment. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If you do not submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the un-Inspected living players.

    Even Night

    The Even Night modifier limits you to only submit Night actions on Even numbered Nights.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Bernie Sanders, Town Doctor | Odd Night. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Doctor

    As Town Doctor, you have access to the Protection Night Action. Protection will protect your target from being killed. You will not learn whether you successfully protected someone. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used. You cannot target the same player on consecutive nights.

    If you do not submit an action, you will forego your action on that night.

    Odd Night

    The Odd Night modifier limits you to only submit Night actions on Odd numbered Nights.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Cory Booker, Town Doctor | Even Night. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Doctor

    As Town Doctor, you have access to the Protection Night Action. Protection will protect your target from being killed. You will not learn whether you successfully protected someone. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used. You cannot target the same player on consecutive nights.

    If you do not submit an action, you will forego your action on that night.

    Even Night

    The Even Night modifier limits you to only submit Night actions on Even numbered Nights.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Elizabeth Warren, Backup Town Doctor. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Doctor

    As Town Doctor, you have access to the Protection Night Action. Protection will protect your target from being killed. You will not learn whether you successfully protected someone. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used. You cannot target the same player on consecutive nights.

    If you do not submit an action, you will forego your action on that night.

    Backup

    The Backup modifier makes your role dormant and unusable until a non-Backup version of the same role dies. If a player with a non-Backup version of your role dies, you will take their place and be able to perform your actions.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Pete Buttigieg, Town Innocent Child | Cycle 2, 4, 5, 6. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Innocent Child

    As Town Innocent Child, you have access to the Claim Innocence Day action. Claiming your innocence announces your role and alignment in the Game thread for all to see. Submit your claim at any time during a Day, and your role and alignment will be announced in the Game thread within one minute after claiming. Submit your action using the form below the game thread.

    Note: Innocence claims may take up to one minute to process.

    Cycle X

    The Cycle X modifier makes your role restricted to one cycle. You may act during that cycle but will be unable to act before and after.

    You can act on Cycle 2, 4, 5, 6 in this game.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Joe Biden, Town Treestump. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Treestump

    As Town Treestump, you become Stumped after you die. Stumped players may post after dying, but cannot vote or perform actions, and are not counted toward parity win conditions or majority voting conditions.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Kamala Harris, Town Jailkeeper. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Jailkeeper

    As Town Jailkeeper, you have access to the Jailkeeping Night Action. Jailkeeping another player will both protect that player from being killed as well as prevent that player from being able to successfully use their Night Action that night. You will not learn whether your target was successfully protected from any kills, nor will you learn whether your target had a Night Action. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used. You cannot target the same player on consecutive nights.

    If you do not submit an action, you will forego your action on that night.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Amy Klobuchar, Backup Town Jailkeeper. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated. Fun fact: Amy and Zork graduated from the same law school.

    Town Jailkeeper

    As Town Jailkeeper, you have access to the Jailkeeping Night Action. Jailkeeping another player will both protect that player from being killed as well as prevent that player from being able to successfully use their Night Action that night. You will not learn whether your target was successfully protected from any kills, nor will you learn whether your target had a Night Action. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used. You cannot target the same player on consecutive nights.

    If you do not submit an action, you will forego your action on that night.

    Backup

    The Backup modifier makes your role dormant and unusable until a non-Backup version of the same role dies. If a player with a non-Backup version of your role dies, you will take their place and be able to perform your actions.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Michael Bennet, Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Bill de Blasio, Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Tulsi Gabbard, Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Kirsten Gillibrand, Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Marianne Williamson, Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Sean Hannity, Mafia Vigilante | x1 Strongman | Godfather. You win when you overpower the town and eliminate any other evil faction(s) in the game.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP} Your teammates are:

    Mafia Team

    {TEAM_MEMBERS_GENERATED_DURING_RAND}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Factional kills have been disabled in this game.



    Mafia Vigilante

    As Mafia Vigilante, you have access to the Shoot Night Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If you do not submit an action, you will forego your action on that night.

    Strongman

    The Strongman modifier makes ordinary killing actions cut through all roleblocking and protection, including factional kills.

    You have 1 Strongman shots at the start of the game. All shots after that will be handled normally.

    Godfather

    The Godfather modifier makes you immune to Cop inspections. You will be viewed as Town if inspected by an Alignment Cop and as a Vanilla Town if inspected by a Full Cop.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Laura Ingraham, Backup Mafia Vigilante | x1 Strongman | Godfather. You win when you overpower the town and eliminate any other evil faction(s) in the game.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP} Your teammates are:

    Mafia Team

    {TEAM_MEMBERS_GENERATED_DURING_RAND}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Factional kills have been disabled in this game.



    Mafia Vigilante

    As Mafia Vigilante, you have access to the Shoot Night Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If you do not submit an action, you will forego your action on that night.

    Backup

    The Backup modifier makes your role dormant and unusable until a non-Backup version of the same role dies. If a player with a non-Backup version of your role dies, you will take their place and be able to perform your actions. You will have access to one strongman regardless of whether Sean Hannity used his ("Reset remaining uses" is in effect).

    Godfather

    The Godfather modifier makes you immune to Cop inspections. You will be viewed as Town if inspected by an Alignment Cop and as a Vanilla Town if inspected by a Full Cop.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Tucker Carlson, Mafia Poisoner | Godfather. You win when you overpower the town and eliminate any other evil faction(s) in the game.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP} Your teammates are:

    Mafia Team

    {TEAM_MEMBERS_GENERATED_DURING_RAND}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Factional kills have been disabled in this game.



    Mafia Poisoner

    As Mafia Poisoner, you have access to the Poison and Fake Poison Night Actions. Players you target with this action will have their poisoned status announced at the beginning of the following Day. Poisoned players will die if they are not healed by the end of the Day, but Fake Poisoned players will survive either way.

    Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    Godfather

    The Godfather modifier makes you immune to Cop inspections. You will be viewed as Town if inspected by an Alignment Cop and as a Vanilla Town if inspected by a Full Cop.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Jesse Watters, Backup Mafia Poisoner | Godfather. You win when you overpower the town and eliminate any other evil faction(s) in the game.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP} Your teammates are:

    Mafia Team

    {TEAM_MEMBERS_GENERATED_DURING_RAND}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Factional kills have been disabled in this game.



    Mafia Poisoner

    As Mafia Poisoner, you have access to the Poison and Fake Poison Night Actions. Players you target with this action will have their poisoned status announced at the beginning of the following Day. Poisoned players will die if they are not healed by the end of the Day, but Fake Poisoned players will survive either way.

    Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    Backup

    The Backup modifier makes your role dormant and unusable until a non-Backup version of the same role dies. If a player with a non-Backup version of your role dies, you will take their place and be able to perform your actions.

    Godfather

    The Godfather modifier makes you immune to Cop inspections. You will be viewed as Town if inspected by an Alignment Cop and as a Vanilla Town if inspected by a Full Cop.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Role PM for Democrats versus Fox News

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    You are Greg Gutfeld, Mafia Suicide Bomber | Cycle 4, 5, 6 | Godfather. You win when you overpower the town and eliminate any other evil faction(s) in the game.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP} Your teammates are:

    Mafia Team

    {TEAM_MEMBERS_GENERATED_DURING_RAND}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    Factional kills have been disabled in this game.



    Mafia Suicide Bomber

    As Mafia Suicide Bomber, you have access to the Suicide Bomb Day Action. You and the player targeted with this action will die within one minute after submission unless protected. Submit your action during the Day using the form below the game thread.

    If you do not submit an action, you will forego your action on that day.

    Cycle X

    The Cycle X modifier makes your role restricted to one cycle. You may act during that cycle but will be unable to act before and after.

    You can act on Cycle 4, 5, 6 in this game.

    Godfather

    The Godfather modifier makes you immune to Cop inspections. You will be viewed as Town if inspected by an Alignment Cop and as a Vanilla Town if inspected by a Full Cop.{HIDE_FROM_FLIP}

    {ROLE_PM_FOOTER_LINKS}{/HIDE_FROM_FLIP}
    Last edited by Zork; July 28th, 2019 at 11:07 PM.

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    First join

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    The only downside to this setup is I can't roleplay my character without outing my role, but that might not stop me anyway

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    Too confusing @Zork. I would join because the minimum post count is pretty low but this game is just a bit confusing and complex.

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    Actually the tweet part of the minimum post limit makes me have to do 30 posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#4)
    Too confusing @Zork. I would join because the minimum post count is pretty low but this game is just a bit confusing and complex.
    Thanks for stopping by. If you could tell me what exactly you find confusing, I'd be happy to clarify so that others who might be more on the fence about it can be more knowledgeable and feel comfortable signing up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#5)
    Actually the tweet part of the minimum post limit makes me have to do 30 posts.
    If all you're posting are short tweets then you probably should be able to do 30 over the course of 48 hours no problem. Day 1 it's particularly important for the town to develop the best reads it can given the d1 mechanic where everyone guesses who the wolves are.

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    Let me anticipate some of the complexity and address it in plain English.

    This game, as you scroll down through the setup, seems ridiculously cop-heavy and town-sided. But then you keep scrolling and you see every damn wolf is a godfather, and you're like, "huh?" Let me explain why I did that.

    I've got an anti-claim mechanism so that as long as the Town doesn't blab their roles, if the Cop peeks a wolf, modbot is gonna say they're town (because they're godfather) but I'm gonna correct that information and tell the Cop, no, they're actually Mafia. I do it like this so that if Town DOES blab their roles, Mafia can anticlaim and is rewarded with me leaving the cop who targets a wolf thinking the wolf is in fact actually a town like modbot said he/she was.

    Hope that makes sense.

    I've found a way to incentivize against massclaiming without having to kill off half the town in the process. It's almost more of a penalty to let all the wolves peek as town than how I handled anticlaim in the previous petrology game.
    Last edited by Zork; July 27th, 2019 at 11:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6)
    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#4)
    Too confusing @Zork. I would join because the minimum post count is pretty low but this game is just a bit confusing and complex.
    Thanks for stopping by. If you could tell me what exactly you find confusing, I'd be happy to clarify so that others who might be more on the fence about it can be more knowledgeable and feel comfortable signing up...
    I'd like to ask you to make a short list of all the roles that are in the game because it is a bit difficult to understand all the roles from just the PM's because they are often confusing. The ACM and the medicine part should probably get some more clarification (i struggled to understand the medicine and the ACM thing a bit). The minimum post count part was a bit weird. But apart from that, everything is fine. From what i see though, this looks a bit townsided, feel free to argue with me on that if you want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#7)
    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#5)
    Actually the tweet part of the minimum post limit makes me have to do 30 posts.
    If all you're posting are short tweets then you probably should be able to do 30 over the course of 48 hours no problem. Day 1 it's particularly important for the town to develop the best reads it can given the d1 mechanic where everyone guesses who the wolves are.
    I see your point. If you can make the short list on the roles instead of making us scroll through the Role PM's to find the roles and clarify the medicine part and tell me what a 'placebo' does, than consider me /in. Although i hope you don't mind i make a lot of short posts(about game-related content).This game's probably less confusing than the doc one if i do say so myself. I'd recommend you bold the important sentences that are unique to this specific game so we can put special attention on the important bits.

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    Thank you. /in

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#9)
    I'd like to ask you to make a short list of all the roles that are in the game because it is a bit difficult to understand all the roles from just the PM's because they are often confusing.
    Great idea. Done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#9)
    The ACM and the medicine part should probably get some more clarification (i struggled to understand the medicine and the ACM thing a bit).
    It was too clunky; you're right. I made both parts more concise and easier to understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#9)
    The minimum post count part was a bit weird.
    I was trying to be cute with it before, but I fixed it for clarity without changing the substantive requirement. 30 posts minimum sounds ridiculous at first, but posts longer than a tweet count for double or triple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#9)
    From what i see though, this looks a bit townsided, feel free to argue with me on that if you want to.
    Now that the roleset is easier on the eyes, go ahead and read up on it carefully, and tell me if you still think so. If Town can keep their traps shut about their non-vanilla roles, I think they can keep it from being mafia-sided because that will make their cops effective in obtaining reliable results and keep townies from dying to repeated ACMs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#10)
    I see your point. If you can make the short list on the roles instead of making us scroll through the Role PM's to find the roles and clarify the medicine part and tell me what a 'placebo' does, than consider me /in.
    After you take a look, let me know your thoughts and whether you still want to "in" and I'll put you down at that time if you say so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#10)
    Although i hope you don't mind i make a lot of short posts(about game-related content).
    I actually think there is a time and a place for short posts, and for some that's almost all they do, and that's fine. I certainly don't want to mandate that posts be of a certain minimum length. This allows everyone to do what feels comfortable while ensuring substantive participation by everyone, as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#10)
    This game's probably less confusing than the doc one if i do say so myself.
    You mean the anonymous petrology? It does help knowing who players are, so that will be a plus for this game. The roles are exclusively modbot, which is a departure from what I normally do (create homemade roles). I have learned to harness the power of automation without sacrificing my creativity or control. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#10)
    I'd recommend you bold the important sentences that are unique to this specific game so we can put special attention on the important bits.
    I'm leery of overusing boldface, but I did use some of the bold/underline tools along with some condensing of thoughts and sentences to make the complicated seem less so.

    Thank you for inspiring me to make this setup more inviting without having to change any of the substantive aspects!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#12)
    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#9)
    I'd like to ask you to make a short list of all the roles that are in the game because it is a bit difficult to understand all the roles from just the PM's because they are often confusing.
    Great idea. Done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#9)
    The ACM and the medicine part should probably get some more clarification (i struggled to understand the medicine and the ACM thing a bit).
    It was too clunky; you're right. I made both parts more concise and easier to understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#9)
    The minimum post count part was a bit weird.
    I was trying to be cute with it before, but I fixed it for clarity without changing the substantive requirement. 30 posts minimum sounds ridiculous at first, but posts longer than a tweet count for double or triple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#9)
    From what i see though, this looks a bit townsided, feel free to argue with me on that if you want to.
    Now that the roleset is easier on the eyes, go ahead and read up on it carefully, and tell me if you still think so. If Town can keep their traps shut about their non-vanilla roles, I think they can keep it from being mafia-sided because that will make their cops effective in obtaining reliable results and keep townies from dying to repeated ACMs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#10)
    I see your point. If you can make the short list on the roles instead of making us scroll through the Role PM's to find the roles and clarify the medicine part and tell me what a 'placebo' does, than consider me /in.
    After you take a look, let me know your thoughts and whether you still want to "in" and I'll put you down at that time if you say so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#10)
    Although i hope you don't mind i make a lot of short posts(about game-related content).
    I actually think there is a time and a place for short posts, and for some that's almost all they do, and that's fine. I certainly don't want to mandate that posts be of a certain minimum length. This allows everyone to do what feels comfortable while ensuring substantive participation by everyone, as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#10)
    This game's probably less confusing than the doc one if i do say so myself.
    You mean the anonymous petrology? It does help knowing who players are, so that will be a plus for this game. The roles are exclusively modbot, which is a departure from what I normally do (create homemade roles). I have learned to harness the power of automation without sacrificing my creativity or control. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#10)
    I'd recommend you bold the important sentences that are unique to this specific game so we can put special attention on the important bits.
    I'm leery of overusing boldface, but I did use some of the bold/underline tools along with some condensing of thoughts and sentences to make the complicated seem less so.

    Thank you for inspiring me to make this setup more inviting without having to change any of the substantive aspects!
    You caught me foreshadowing the 'I need a doctor! No, not you,go away...' game. I congratulate you. You'll see what i'm talking about in a few days. Also, does the placebo pill do anything???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#14)
    does the placebo pill do anything???
    No.

    The reasons for the placebo on 1, 2, and 3 instead of just on 2 with 1 being a minor penalty and 3 being a minor reward *and* for the pill you earn to be randomly distributed among the town are:
    1. It becomes significantly easier to piece together who the mafia are by comparing notes on the submissions based on observable results so that it becomes an artificial way to break the game if you have results to go off for a whole lot of submissions. 1/2/3 will be the majority of submissions or I will be very surprised. I've seen folks make these lists organically in the thread as host and the lists are, with very, very rare exception, substantially wrong in terms of accuracy.
    2. Along those lines, your pill can't automatically go back to you or everyone would post their lists and see the results and figure out where to lynch and where not to lynch. That's also why the list is 8 names because with each number greater than 5 it becomes so much harder to piece things together. I suspect there is a 1 in 3 chance someone from Town will get 5 names right, but you won't know which list it is, and the pill might not even be in play because if a Townie gets lynched, another one gets vigged, and another one gets poisoned, the one who got vigged probably didn't get doctored nor did they win a vest in all likelihood, there is no cure for the poison, and the lynch is, well, the lynch. So the one who got lynched didn't even get to take the pill n1 even if they said they wanted to take it n1 instead of n2. The one who gets poisoned said (for example) they want theirs n2, so they don't take their pill, either. And the one who got vigged overnight did take theirs, but it was probably a placebo. And if it was a zero pill, there is no additional negative effect because that player is already dead. So at the end of d1 I have 16 pills to distribute but only 15 townies alive to give them to. So I rand the pills and drop the bottom pill, giving out the remaining top 15 pills to the living 15 townies on the day those townies requested to take those pills. The one allocated to the poisoned player never gets eaten. I'm putting all this detail for the truly OCD to analyze once the game has begun. I don't expect anyone to follow my convoluted brain right now. It will hopefully all turn out fine.

    There was something else I was gonna say but I forgot lol

    This is how I post as town when I have a keyboard, by the way, for those watching and trying to read me in future games lol

    (this is also how I post as wolf lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percy (#15)
    In but only if I can be Pete Buttigieg...
    You should "in" and fake claim that you are Pete and hope that the real Pete assumes you are simply trying to draw an incorrectly submitted anticlaim, which aside from the lynch is the Town's only KP.

    This game might be wolf-sided...hmmm. That's unlike me lol.

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    ##Vote Zork I caught you wolf.
    Last edited by Impeaceful; July 28th, 2019 at 05:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#19)
    ##Vote Zork

    I caught you fellow wolf.
    On a serious note, let's take a look at this setup. How important is it to you if you rand cop that everyone keep quiet about their role, and not even claim even to save themselves from lynch--not even claim "power role" because that increases the chances of a successful anti-claim? Don't you want your peeks to be valid and not just all "town" which may or may not be true? I think it would be incredibly anti-town to claim in this setup. What do you all think?

    What do you think of town not having any KP? Does Town's success hinge on everyone claiming VT and sticking to that through thick and thin? How well do you think the average Townie would hold up under pressure as the lynch deadline approaches? Do you really think they will not claim? How will you handle it when they do and now you've just godfathered a wolf?

    This will seem like an incredibly wolf-sided setup if Town just half-asses this game.

    Let's discuss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#20)
    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#19)
    ##Vote Zork

    I caught you fellow wolf.
    On a serious note, let's take a look at this setup. How important is it to you if you rand cop that everyone keep quiet about their role, and not even claim even to save themselves from lynch--not even claim "power role" because that increases the chances of a successful anti-claim? Don't you want your peeks to be valid and not just all "town" which may or may not be true? I think it would be incredibly anti-town to claim in this setup. What do you all think?

    What do you think of town not having any KP? Does Town's success hinge on everyone claiming VT and sticking to that through thick and thin? How well do you think the average Townie would hold up under pressure as the lynch deadline approaches? Do you really think they will not claim? How will you handle it when they do and now you've just godfathered a wolf?

    This will seem like an incredibly wolf-sided setup if Town just half-asses this game.

    Let's discuss.
    Excuse me but isn't the cop redundant since everyone investigates as town? And why are you always on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#21)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#20)
    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#19)
    ##Vote Zork

    I caught you fellow wolf.
    On a serious note, let's take a look at this setup. How important is it to you if you rand cop that everyone keep quiet about their role, and not even claim even to save themselves from lynch--not even claim "power role" because that increases the chances of a successful anti-claim? Don't you want your peeks to be valid and not just all "town" which may or may not be true? I think it would be incredibly anti-town to claim in this setup. What do you all think?

    What do you think of town not having any KP? Does Town's success hinge on everyone claiming VT and sticking to that through thick and thin? How well do you think the average Townie would hold up under pressure as the lynch deadline approaches? Do you really think they will not claim? How will you handle it when they do and now you've just godfathered a wolf?

    This will seem like an incredibly wolf-sided setup if Town just half-asses this game.

    Let's discuss.
    Excuse me but isn't the cop redundant since everyone investigates as town? And why are you always on?
    If I don't make the mafia all godfathers, and mafia earned godfather for a successful anticlaim, then the cop will get a result of "mafia," and the cop will not believe me when I say, "no trust me, dude's totally town." However, if I flip the script and make them all godfathers, and mafia does NOT earn a godfather from a successful anticlaim, then I will immediately correct a false "town" peek of a wolf as actually "mafia." Make sense?

    I'm always on because I am addicted to mafia and mafia-related stuff.

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    Oh i understand!
    Just kidding i don't
    I think that the game is wolfsided since the mafia have 2 vigs and other poweroles. This is all too confusing for my brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#23)
    Oh i understand!
    Just kidding i don't
    I think that the game is wolfsided since the mafia have 2 vigs and other poweroles. This is all too confusing for my brain.
    4 peeking roles

    3 docs

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    false anticlaim bait the wolves into killing themselves

    vests for days if you read well d1

    a way to secure instant death for a wolf if you submit an accurate list of suspects

    hell, all you gotta do is submit 5 lists each having 8 names on them, 5 of whom are wolves, and the game is won at the end of the first day

    but its totally wolfsided

    this is a Zork game, you know I don't make wolf-sided games ROFLOL (ask around)
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    I mean considering how the town don't actually receive the results of the list. Yes, you're right its not wolfsided since an obvious team of wolves would instantly kill themselves within dsy 1. This game is actually very swingy to put it simply. It can be townsided if this happens and can be wolfsided if that happens. I get your point.
    I'm just makin up random stuff

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    After further reflection, I need to make a couple changes to the provisions of this game. The reason is to ensure the anti-claim mechanism is used only to prevent and defend against a mass claim. Without these changes, the mafia could start making guesses as roles flip and have odds approaching much closer to 50/50 than I would like. Also, the reason for three categories of flips (Emissary, Cop, Neither) is because an Emissary's result is as reliable as the player giving it, but a Cop could have a faulty town result if the godfathering is in effect.

    Old wording: The submission must specify "backup" if applicable, but not modifiers such as "odd" or "cycle 1.

    New wording: The submission must specify the exact role, including whether it is backup, cycle, odd, etc. A correctly submitted player may not be submitted more than once.

    Old wording: At death, the full role PM flips.

    New wording: At death, only the alignment flips. I will post ASAP after the flip "Emissary" if the player was the Emissary, "Cop" if the player was one of the three Cops, and "Neither Emissary nor Cop" for all other flips.
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    More changes so the game doesn't focus on ruling folks in or out based on lists and results--I want to match up the pill results with the ACM results so folks don't know if someone died because of the pill or because of the ACM so less stock can be put into it:

    Old wording: 0 mafia on it, a pill causing death exactly one cycle after swallowing is created.

    New wording: 0 mafia on it, a pill causing death 2-4 hours before EOD is created.

    Old wording: all 5 mafia on it, a pill causing death to a randomly chosen scum within the first hour of day is created.

    New wording: all 5 mafia on it, a pill causing death to a randomly chosen scum 2-4 hours before EOD is created.

    This also creates doubt as to whether the death of a townie 2-4 hours before EOD can really be relied upon to conclude that a "town" result for a cop is due to godfathering.

    Thank you for your patience as I try to make a good gaming experience even better for you.

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    I really hate having to make these posts but I keep finding tiny chinks in the armor that is my roleset. Hope this is patching the last of them...

    Old wording: The pills have cumulative effects and are randomly administered to each Townie (excess pill[s] are discarded) on n1 or n2. Include with your list whether you want to take your pill n1 or n2 and to whom you want to give any BPV won.

    New wording: The pills have cumulative effects and are randomly administered to each Townie (excess pill[s] are discarded) on n1. Include with your list to whom you want to give any BPV won.

    Old wording: 0 mafia on it, a pill causing death 2-4 hours before EOD is created.

    New wording: 0 mafia on it, a pill causing death 2-4 hours before EOD3 is created.

    The rationale for these changes is that if a Mafia dies 2-4 hours before the end of day 2, Town won't know if it was because of an unsuccessful anti-claim or if it was because a Townie swallowed a pill that was generated from a list containing all five Mafia. In contrast, if a Townie dies 2-4 hours before the end of day 2, Town would know that it had to be from swallowing a "Zero pill," which means that one of the lists floating out there is a list of 8 lock-town. So by deferring the Townie's death to the later part of d3 instead of d2, it makes it unclear whether the death is due to a successful anticlaim or a "zero pill" having been consumed. This further prevents this game from turning into a tea-leave reading exercise.

    I had to make it so all pills are consumed on n1 to make this work, so no more choice of n1 or n2. Everyone was gonna pick n1 anyway, probably.

    OK I'm gonna step away and while I can't promise no more changes, I highly doubt there will be. It's tight as a drum now.

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    I don't mind if there are any changes. I would just like an explanation on the purpose of the cop if all the mafia members investigate as town. Wouldn't the cop essentially be a named townie (a vanilla townie that investigates as not vanilla) because their ability is practically useless?
    Or is the godfather ability only activated after the ACM is successful for a mafioso?
    I'd like clarification on that matter, i'm sorry but i still don't understand.
    When you finalise your changes and confirm it, then i will comment on the townsidedness/wolfsidedness of the game and other factors of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#31)
    I don't mind if there are any changes. I would just like an explanation on the purpose of the cop if all the mafia members investigate as town. Wouldn't the cop essentially be a named townie (a vanilla townie that investigates as not vanilla) because their ability is practically useless?
    Or is the godfather ability only activated after the ACM is successful for a mafioso?
    I'd like clarification on that matter, i'm sorry but i still don't understand.
    When you finalise your changes and confirm it, then i will comment on the townsidedness/wolfsidedness of the game and other factors of it.
    The changes are final. Go and read post 1; I can tell you haven't yet. Then ask away.

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    Well you said in your previous post that there it is very unlikely there may be more changes... But i'll still ask anyways.
    Assuming that the godfather modifier does make the mafia investigate as town, and therefore the cops are basically vanilla townies, i think the game is now townsided because of that. Let me explain why.
    Because every townsperson must submit a list (i'm assuming that if they have 4 mafiosos in their list, they will be told that they will receive a BP vest), this makes means that at roughly at least one townie will have 4 mafioso in their list (even if the mafia are deepwolfing, because the townies can still submit their names), then that lucky townie can simply claim and the town will lynch accordingly.
    Or alternatively, another townie can simply say in the thread 'i am going to submit a list with player a, player b, player c, etc (the townie thinks those players are town) ,if i die they will be confirmed town. If multiple townies do this, then even with the strongman kill, roughly at least one of them will succeed (due to the doctor's protection). Therefore, the town can lynch accordingly from using PoE.
    If these two techniques are combined, then this will result in an almost definite win for the town. Or that's what i would think, theoretically, unless my logic is deeply flawed. If i made any mistakes within this reasoning, please correct me and i will attempt to create another post on which faction is probably going to win in this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#33)
    Well you said in your previous post that there it is very unlikely there may be more changes... But i'll still ask anyways.
    Assuming that the godfather modifier does make the mafia investigate as town, and therefore the cops are basically vanilla townies, i think the game is now townsided because of that. Let me explain why.
    Because every townsperson must submit a list (i'm assuming that if they have 4 mafiosos in their list, they will be told that they will receive a BP vest), this makes means that at roughly at least one townie will have 4 mafioso in their list (even if the mafia are deepwolfing, because the townies can still submit their names), then that lucky townie can simply claim and the town will lynch accordingly.
    Or alternatively, another townie can simply say in the thread 'i am going to submit a list with player a, player b, player c, etc (the townie thinks those players are town) ,if i die they will be confirmed town. If multiple townies do this, then even with the strongman kill, roughly at least one of them will succeed (due to the doctor's protection). Therefore, the town can lynch accordingly from using PoE.
    If these two techniques are combined, then this will result in an almost definite win for the town. Or that's what i would think, theoretically, unless my logic is deeply flawed. If i made any mistakes within this reasoning, please correct me and i will attempt to create another post on which faction is probably going to win in this game.
    You raise some good points that I already planned for in the setup.

    The godfather modifier is so that modbot tells the cops that the mafia are town. It is up to me to send a manual correction if that peeked mafioso has not submitted a successful anti-claim. This is to incentivize the Town not to roleclaim, so that the peeks can find mafia. And then there are further punishments (dead townies) if a Mafioso submits more claim(s) on subsequent night(s).

    A player receiving a BPV is not informed of this fact. The Mafia are going to figure it out when they shoot at someone that the player they shot at was either doctored or vested, but the Town is going to have no clue anyone was even shot at all. If there is no overnight death, the Town will speculate as to what happened, but remember there are also jailkeepers, so Town is very well protected. The jailkeeper can keep the poisoner from acting or protect someone from being poisoned, whereas a doctor can only protect from being vigged. At least that's how I understand the programming of the modbot roles. So having a list with 4 mafia on it--you're not going to know you had 4 on it. And even if you did, you probably don't get to swallow the pill your list generated--the 16 pills are randomly assigned among all 16 townies.

    I'm trying to prevent PoE from being anything but a very-late-game thing, not encourage it. And I think this roleset is going to be fun because it's balanced and effective. But if people min-post then yeah it'll just be an OKAY experience at best.

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    I see. Its way more confusing now (The AMA and the medicine part), but since all the townies have to do is make the list, match up to the minimum post count and play like they normally do, its pretty simple to actually play. Only problem is trying to strategise...and trying to find loopholes is very hard (this is good cos you don't want loopholes in your games).

    I can't actually tell if this is townsided or not for the same reason why you may find difficulty trying to solve this problem: 'Last week before the day after two days before Wednesday is my birthday. The birthday cake must be bought seven or more days before the birthday because of...and it must be bought on the week before the day after the week'. Well you get the point right? You actually need to draw this out and

    I can't say anything about how townsided/wolfsided it is because i must see it actually play out to find out which faction has more chances of winning, it is very difficult to take many factors into account.

    Imma stop posting fluff now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#35)
    I can't actually tell if this is townsided or not
    I'm gonna book that as a win.

    Now let's see if 16 more people actually sign up to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#36)
    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#35)
    I can't actually tell if this is townsided or not
    I'm gonna book that as a win.

    Now let's see if 16 more people actually sign up to play.
    Can i just ask why your games always have such a high posting requirement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#37)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#36)
    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#35)
    I can't actually tell if this is townsided or not
    I'm gonna book that as a win.

    Now let's see if 16 more people actually sign up to play.
    Can i just ask why your games always have such a high posting requirement?
    10 substantive posts is not a high bar, especially in a day that is 48 hours long. That is like a 2.5-post requirement in a 12/12 game. I don't want to take the time to host a game in which people don't even post, basically. Like, I wanna ask these folks why they even sign up to play if all they're gonna do is post "sup," "wolfy," "lulz," plus maybe a couple short one-sentence posts and call it a day. I'm like, almost insulted by the lack of effort into the solving of the game which to me should be the fun part, the clash between the ignorant majority and the omniscient minority.
    Last edited by Zork; July 29th, 2019 at 05:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#38)
    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#37)
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    I can't actually tell if this is townsided or not
    I'm gonna book that as a win.

    Now let's see if 16 more people actually sign up to play.
    Can i just ask why your games always have such a high posting requirement?
    10 substantive posts is not a high bar, especially in a day that is 48 hours long. That is like a 2.5-post requirement in a 12/12 game. I don't want to take the time to host a game in which people don't even post, basically.
    Okay, i see. Only problem is that you may need to sub out players. Also, why is no-one joinong this awesome game??? I don't understand!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#39)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#38)
    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#37)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#36)
    I'm gonna book that as a win.

    Now let's see if 16 more people actually sign up to play.
    Can i just ask why your games always have such a high posting requirement?
    10 substantive posts is not a high bar, especially in a day that is 48 hours long. That is like a 2.5-post requirement in a 12/12 game. I don't want to take the time to host a game in which people don't even post, basically.
    Okay, i see. Only problem is that you may need to sub out players. Also, why is no-one joinong this awesome game??? I don't understand!!!!
    I think it's my best setup yet, and the last game really informed this one. Thank you.

    I have a rule that keeps folks from signing up who have subbed out without rehabilitating first, so that keeps the subouts down going forward, I think.

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    Yikes, why is this game not filling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#41)
    Yikes, why is this game not filling?
    Feels like the subject is too controversial

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    Why are the good guys the mafia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contrainer (#42)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#41)
    Yikes, why is this game not filling?
    Feels like the subject is too controversial
    I figure if folks can play a game about a "Secret Hitler," then having some flavor of contemporary news events without opinionating can be just as fun.
    Last edited by Zork; July 30th, 2019 at 04:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#43)
    Why are the good guys the mafia?
    It's all a matter of perspective...

    Also, you were one of the best players ever to play in one of my games. I miss you. Make this game happen, Yog.

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    I'd say people aren't joining because they may think the Medicine thing and the ACM are bit difficult to understand (although you've simplified it as much as possible).

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    Yeah. All I can do is offer the games I want to run, and run them well, and they usually come. If not, that's OK too, though I try to make setups that I enjoy making and running and that folks enjoy playing just as much. It's not a 100% sure thing, nor is it science.

    :-)

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    If this game dosen't fill soon, my advice would be to remove the Medicine part and the ACM after a few days, if noone joins. You can follow this advice if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impeaceful (#48)
    If this game dosen't fill soon, my advice would be to remove the Medicine part and the ACM after a few days, if noone joins. You can follow this advice if you want.
    Thanks for the advice, but folks deserve a predictable outcome. I promise this is the best setup I have ever designed, and I look forward to hosting it for folks who have had good experiences with my past games.

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    Please join this game, folks.

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