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    With regards to Skumbag, I also don't want to lose this:

    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#3633)
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#3586)
    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#2836)
    Quote Originally Posted by billymills (#2834)
    I just kinda expect more.

    I just expect you to care more in some sense. I'd expect to see you shot early for having too many solid reads on people. But I'm not even sure you have a solid read here.

    Feels like you randed the wrong team or something.
    i expected to care more myself tbh

    i just dont give a $#@! about a long phase wall posting game and i'm not sure i can bring myself to give more of a $#@! beyond my requisite attempts at keeping up with the game because i feel a compulsion to attempt to care

    and you're right, i don't really have a solid read on anyone

    i think chris is probably the most solid read i have and that is a guy who claimed a role on d1

    and that is stupid and i know it. i'm not dumb, i know that i should be at the very least doing more if not caring more but i just dont want to play this kind of ww game

    if you think it makes me a wolf, you go right on ahead, i'm not going to argue against the fact i don't care

    i don't think it makes me a wolf personally (either meta or in this game but ymmv)

    what do you think of my posts independent of that, then?
    This post is villagery
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#3588)
    ##Vote Jan
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#3589)
    Here's kinda where i'm at without having caught up some of d2 and most of d3.


    Weatherguy
    Chris (claim)
    Owner
    Robik
    mhsmith0

    4Mask
    MarkoRaj (claim)

    Billy
    Yog
    Baudib
    tom

    Boq (Wiggles sheep)
    dyachei (Fable sheep (or spew if he's w) )
    Thingy
    Master Radishes/Sunbae
    Roman
    bopolis

    Frog

    a few wolves below hopefully:

    (
    I need to actually read some of their posts:
    Cron
    Panther
    )

    Visor
    Lissa
    Fable
    Secondhand Revenant
    Phighter
    Jan
    Manasi
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#3625)
    Visor had a villagery post tho

    still don't hate it


    well this is clear as a bell

    He gives a direct town-read of visor, votes for Billy no-votes Jan, then puts visor as a wolf read

    He couldn't keep his read of visor straight over a seven-minutes span and placed a throwaway vote he knows has no chance to roll

    gottem


    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#3660)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris (#3657)

    I'm fine with this explanation.

    lolme if I'm wrong but Yog/Billy, I think that was just him explaining things.
    No way dudebro

    If Visor's a wolf the logical disconnect here is w/w for sure

    -oh snap, just got in and there's a red check on my bro
    -wait, it's a soft claim, there's still a chance
    -better give him a quick villa read
    -throw together a reads list, need to put some bros at the bottom, visor will do
    -uh oh
    -have to reconcile that disconnect, better make another confused-sounding villa read for visor post

    ...


    Don't know if Cron is FPSing

    and obviously he said "if I have one" so it's pretty soft

    some of you might have heard I have a particular way of feeling about fake red checks

    but if it ends up being legit this is a bro


    There are a lot of wolves left out there

    If you $#@!os all just boiled off my Jan wagon I think SS has a lot of PR equity too

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    ##Vote Frog

    Let's pretend the last week didn't even happen and do this though

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    Old Cat Mafia Invitational Day 5 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    7 Phighter Weatherguy (27), Panther (48), IAmRobik (34), Roman (30), Sunbae (50), SwedishSkumbag (6), Owner Of A Lonely Heart (23)
    5 Frog bopolis (11), Shad (29), Chris (36), billymills (48), yogsloth (37)
    4 Owner Of A Lonely Heart Phighter (40), Cron (50), t om (34), Jan (49)
    1 Boquise Thingyman (5)
    1 Sunbae 4maskwolf (17)
    1 SwedishSkumbag Boquise (44)
    2 Not voting mhsmith0 (21), Frog (0)

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    That's not the greatest looking poe I've ever seen, ngl. Him calling Dya a villager for sheeping Fable and having Fable as a potential wolf looks bad (admittedly, does say spew if w, but)

    I like the chunk of town at the top, though. I feel 4mask is the only one in his top 7 I could realistically see being mafia, and the people hes putting high dont feel like "oh, i need to townread thisnperson because everybody else is" for the most part.

    @swedish skumbag did you ever say what your non role-related reason for townreading marko was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris (#5354)
    That's not the greatest looking poe I've ever seen, ngl. Him calling Dya a villager for sheeping Fable and having Fable as a potential wolf looks bad (admittedly, does say spew if w, but)

    I like the chunk of town at the top, though. I feel 4mask is the only one in his top 7 I could realistically see being mafia, and the people hes putting high dont feel like "oh, i need to townread thisnperson because everybody else is" for the most part.

    @swedish skumbag did you ever say what your non role-related reason for townreading marko was?
    @SwedishSkumbag. Eff yo space

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    I read a lot of bits and pieces of SS posts and I'm not sure where this looks any different than any other game I've played with him besides volume. I imagine his wolf game is solid but I'm not sure why people are concluding that here vs null. Tldr would be appreciated.

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    I should probably iso boq but alas, I only had two weeks

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    I actually spent most of my down time there reading Dya and that left me indirectly wanting boq dead eh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#5356)
    I read a lot of bits and pieces of SS posts and I'm not sure where this looks any different than any other game I've played with him besides volume. I imagine his wolf game is solid but I'm not sure why people are concluding that here vs null. Tldr would be appreciated.
    I thought he was actually pretty townie for a lot of the earlier game. Fable thought he had a completely awful vote on Cuth d1, and I remember Yog didn't like his progression on Visor. I thought SS's explanation when I asked felt fine.

    I feel like I'm missing something but not sure what. Maybe something Panther had?

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    Good day

    Seriously? lmfao

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    Meh whatever I get it

    I've been slacking, it's just lazy though

    I'm Town so no need to worry there

    looking through my notes here, but I'm around if anyone wants to chat

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    @Frog hi and welcome back!
    I guess if you’re looking for something specific to focus on, take a look at owners mega post ending in a smith vote and the subsequent fallout. Just a couple pages back but it’s certainly been an intersting situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t om (#5312)
    @Owner Of A Lonely Heart can you walk me through your stance on visor d4?
    So Billy first claiming and I'm all for lynching Visor. I quickly then read Boq moreso as town because of how frequently visor had voted on him.

    Check gets rescinded. I'm unsure what that means for visor. I unvote.

    Robik claims check on visor. I'm back voting for visor.

    Sure Visor town read me in a big post, probably trying to appeal to me or cause wifom. Anyways, he still yolo voted me previously. This was the kind of yolo where he just disappeared afterwards. Visor has seen me as both alignments, so yeah, I do expect him to know the difference to some degree.

    He was still not active in the thread. I mean he had posts, but I hardly saw him. Basically, it came down to "well I don't see him; he's not making an effort in thread. he isn't being a threat to anyone. he's just scum."

    It's kind of like on Daily Mafia when players give a really good formal, but he just didn't have a voice in the game prior to the formal. Sometimes, it's just a player can't speak that well or loud enough to gain traction, but other times, they are just scum.

    Looking at visor, his actions didn't say town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan (#5284)

    You quoting a wicked song to me is maybe the most tongue in cheek moment that emulates what you are talking about right there.
    Have you seen Wicked?

    Elphaba is fighting against society that is taking voices away from animals. Like she's a badass.

    The Wizard of Oz would be like Mafia Godfather/Silencer
    Glinda is like a heavy pocketed town.
    Elphaba is the one seeing everything clearly, and she's town fighting back.



    Like if you haven't seen the show, sure I can see where you are taking it out of context, but dude, she is so freaking awesome in the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#5339)
    Quote Originally Posted by Owner Of A Lonely Heart (#5337)
    You wanna bet? I've seen the Wicked show twice and own the songs. That's a personality song. Hands down nai, good try though
    I acknowledge that a lot of conventional takes don't apply here, and the better part of me wants to disregard this

    But this reads sort of like "nyah nyah that's nai, you haven't outed me yet."
    I was more thinking about poker/cocky/sassiness when he said that, but sure, read it however you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhsmith0 (#5362)
    @Frog hi and welcome back!
    I guess if you’re looking for something specific to focus on, take a look at owners mega post ending in a smith vote and the subsequent fallout. Just a couple pages back but it’s certainly been an intersting situation.
    ty ty

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    actually @Owner Of A Lonely Heart

    Are you a wolf?

    Please don't lie

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    Just save the theatrics and vote her, Frog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roman (#5368)
    Just save the theatrics and vote her, Frog.
    I have a strategy


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#5367)
    actually @Owner Of A Lonely Heart

    Are you a wolf?

    Please don't lie
    No, and how are you going to tell if I'm lying or not?


    Quote Originally Posted by Roman (#5368)
    Just save the theatrics and vote her, Frog.
    Are you one of ones who think that I could be with Phighter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owner Of A Lonely Heart (#5370)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#5367)
    actually @Owner Of A Lonely Heart

    Are you a wolf?

    Please don't lie
    No, and how are you going to tell if I'm lying or not?


    Quote Originally Posted by Roman (#5368)
    Just save the theatrics and vote her, Frog.
    Are you one of ones who think that I could be with Phighter?
    ez

    you said you went to Church

    I already had you in my town list btw

    1. 4maskwolf
    2. boquise
    3. IAmRobik
    4. Jan
    5. mhsmith0
    6. Owner Of A Lonely Heart
    7. Phighter
    8. Roman
    9. SwedishSkumbag
    10. t om
    11. Thingyman
    12. Weatherguy
    13. yogsloth


    Is there any chance we vote in here instead?
    ->

    1. billymills
    2. bopolis
    3. Chris
    4. Cron
    5. Panther
    6. Shad

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    I just realized four of my six suspects are voting me right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owner Of A Lonely Heart (#5370)
    Quote Originally Posted by Roman (#5368)
    Just save the theatrics and vote her, Frog.
    Are you one of ones who think that I could be with Phighter?
    Sigh.

    Frog is a wolf. And won't vote Phighter because he is also a wolf. I'm just telling him to speed up what he will likely end up doing.

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    Just so it doesn't seem like I somehow miraculously wolf read the people voting me and others planning on voting me:

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#3484)

    4maskwolf
    billymills
    bopolis
    Chris
    Cron
    Fable
    Jan
    Lissa
    Manasi
    MarkoRaj
    Panther
    Roman
    Secondhand Revenant
    Sunbae
    Visorslash

    Next up; who strung up Jaleb before it was cool on this list:

    Roman - just wanted to make a note that I thought Roman was a wolf and now I'm more or less confident they're Town
    Jan
    4maskwolf

    Next up; who pushed Jaleb D1 and didn't follow up D2:

    Fable
    Lissa



    Town Core:
    1. @4maskwolf
    2. @baudib1
    3. @boquise
    4. @dyachei
    5. @IAmRobik
    6. @Jan
    7. @jumpluff
    8. @mhsmith0
    9. @Owner Of A Lonely Heart
    10. @Phighter
    11. @Roman
    12. @SwedishSkumbag
    13. @t om
    14. @Thingyman
    15. @Weatherguy
    16. @yogsloth



    POE:
    1. billymills
    2. bopolis
    3. Chris
    4. Cron
    5. Fable
    6. Lissa
    7. Manasi
    8. MarkoRaj
    9. Panther
    10. Secondhand Revenant
    11. Sunbae
    12. Visorslash
    WW isn't rocket science

    GG no re

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    I don't like using truth meta anymore.

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    ##Vote bopolis


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    Old Cat Mafia Invitational Day 5 Votecount

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    7 Phighter Weatherguy (27), Panther (48), IAmRobik (34), Roman (32), Sunbae (50), SwedishSkumbag (6), Owner Of A Lonely Heart (28)
    5 Frog bopolis (11), Shad (32), Chris (39), billymills (48), yogsloth (37)
    4 Owner Of A Lonely Heart Phighter (40), Cron (50), t om (34), Jan (49)
    1 Boquise Thingyman (5)
    1 Sunbae 4maskwolf (17)
    1 SwedishSkumbag Boquise (44)
    1 bopolis Frog (9)
    1 Not voting mhsmith0 (22)

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    End day at majority is enabled. With 21 players alive, it takes 11 votes to reach majority.

    Day 5 ends at 8:00 PM EDT on Sunday, September 29th, 2019. There are 1569801660000 remaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#5371)
    Is there any chance we vote in here instead?
    ->

    1. billymills
    2. bopolis
    3. Chris
    4. Cron
    5. Panther
    6. Shad
    @bopolis
    @Shad
    @Chris
    @billymills



    I don't believe this is a coincidence that we're locking horns

    That you're in my VERY limited POE, and the majority of THAT POE, which I've kept well documented, is now voting me in unison

    I don't expect you to answer me because I think you're all wolves, but for $#@!s and giggles

    I want your thoughts on the two players in my POE who AREN'T voting me

    That would be Cron and Panther

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    Hey frog, you’ve got phi and owner as both villagers. Why do you think in that context, wolf team (or at least s large chunk of it) would hop onto you instead of just keeping wagons as v/v with increasing “we’re just gonna kill one of them and probably vig the other” inevitability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhsmith0 (#5379)
    Hey frog, you’ve got phi and owner as both villagers. Why do you think in that context, wolf team (or at least s large chunk of it) would hop onto you instead of just keeping wagons as v/v with increasing “we’re just gonna kill one of them and probably vig the other” inevitability?
    I see your point as in: Why would they do this if it's not necessary?

    In terms of wolf strategy

    I dunno

    It could be to ensure continuous suspicion on villagers going forward

    It may not be necessary, but I think it's safe to say I'm an easy target

    With this in mind, I think pouring suspicion onto me would be 'safe'

    But yeah, I think these are V/V/V wagons and we need to shake this up

    I've been out of the game and have zero clout to make this happen

    If you're in for shaking things up, it'd be much appreciated

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    My vote is somewhat up for grabs I guess. More than four hours left, willing to do something different if I can be convinced it’s the right move. I’ll admit to also having zero clout, but that’s mainly because I’ve spent the game confused and without any really great scumspects , and now it’s d5 and I still feel like that which is uh
    NOT AWESOME

    What flipped you on sunbae btw? Used to be in POE, now in nulls I guess (ppl outside either list)? Someone I forget who basically argued that once someone hard to mislynch hopped into the slot you stopped caring about it which seems like a reasonable take unless I missed something on your progression?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhsmith0 (#5381)
    My vote is somewhat up for grabs I guess. More than four hours left, willing to do something different if I can be convinced it’s the right move. I’ll admit to also having zero clout, but that’s mainly because I’ve spent the game confused and without any really great scumspects , and now it’s d5 and I still feel like that which is uh
    NOT AWESOME

    What flipped you on sunbae btw? Used to be in POE, now in nulls I guess (ppl outside either list)? Someone I forget who basically argued that once someone hard to mislynch hopped into the slot you stopped caring about it which seems like a reasonable take unless I missed something on your progression?
    On the day sunbae subbed in I saw they had decent vote diversity so it looked like an uptick to me

    Pretty much a 'meh, i'll give him a pass' kind of a read

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan (#5291)
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#5195)

    I think Phi's my best bet at a wolf rn, simply because of me not liking either Visor's or Jaleb's mentions of him, and i have no townread there. Tbf i don't considering myself a good Phighter reader whatsoever, but i think he will flip wolf in this one. A lot of dead villas also pushed there. Also I wanna give some of my trust to Weather's strong opinion there, since i pretty much know he's villa.

    ##Vote Phighter
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#4504)
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#4503)
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#4502)
    SS, do you have any scumreads or downtrending players? ‘Cause that catch-up list was just a whole bunch a town with no scum.
    i'll give a full PoE once i've caught up fully, but i don't really do scumreads as a usual rule
    I work together with townreads of mine who specialize in that though, because i know better than to trust myself on anything that's not townreads

    This is the older post that I was thinking off.
    He mentions following weatherguy, which is kind of what he is talking about earlier, but...

    He has every single person but sunbae that is voting phighter as town (and sunbae is neutral).
    If your gameplay is follow your townreads .. why not say that in any way or form. He has to be aware of it, right?

    @SwedishSkumbag - Do you mind telling me what made Weatherguys case more complelling than the rest?

    And who are the dead villas that pushed phighter all that much? (actually blanking there).
    that explanation about voting with townreads usually applies most to where my vote ends up staying at EoD, b4 that i usually just vote my top scum if i have one. this time they happen to kind of line up i guess, which is great. Doesn't mean that's why i voted there.

    Weatherguy's like 100% confident Phi's scum, and has been saying that for whole gamedays, that's why. It kind of sticks out.

    Dead villas? Wiggles was, i think Apoc was, Jump was. maybe someone im forgotting but it's not a main point of my vote so idrc to look it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#5343)
    @SwedishSkumbag am I missing something there
    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#5345)
    Oh Panther said it but the quote broke I think

    It was a good look for being the sort of minutia a villager is more likely to think about in the first place. It was a bad look because in the process of writing it he expresses the thought process of recognizing his argument is highly flawed but then proceeds to dismiss the flaw instead going "lolme".
    Nah. He regognized a potential but improbable (in his opinion) chain of events in the case of Roman town. Why would he recind the argument and say lol!me if he believes it's still AI, but he CAN see a world of Roman town

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#4496)

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkoRaj (#2695)
    I think Lissa is a wolf for technical, role related, sketchy reasoning that I don't want to get into
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkoRaj (#2844)
    It's not actual pr information I have on Lissa. I am very specifically a backup full doctor

    My problem with Lissa was this post

    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1973)
    I thought overNight that jaleb was claiming an alternate night doc which made me believe him, but the backup thing I’m more hesitant about. Side note I’m actually not sure how doctor specific backup works wrt modifiers, with univ it takes over all backed up modifiers and loses its own iirc but idk if it works the same?
    The more I read this post the less sure I am tho. when I first read it my first thought was that Lissa knows that jaleb's claim made no sense given the reasoning she lays out here and yet she acts like she is unsure.

    Maybe I'm giving her too much credit


    Out of the box thought = towny. Also he gave it in a towny way imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkoRaj (#2928)
    Quote Originally Posted by Jan (#2495)

    marko did cc jaleb .. I would love for wolf-marko to do that, but it is very unlikely considering markos reaction after.
    Something about this post comes off really genuine

    It's a spectacular post if wolf


    I believe Marko believes this. I have a solid non-claim-related townread on you. Please don't punish me. (i also think the claim is towny ftr)

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    OK @Frog
    I want you, personally, to look through sunbae's push on phi, since sunbae is at the least no longer on your wolfy list (even if not on your town list), and tell me why it's wrong.
    Not why you TR'd phi to begin with, why all of this specifically is wrong.
    Taken on the surface, it's a very compelling looking case, so if phi if strong town for you, I really want to know what's wrong w/ all of that.

    bold/underline is my formatting emphasis

    You've generally been avoiding putting out meaningful content this game; this is a chance to fix that. Convince me all of that is wrong. Maybe convince others as well. If this is a read you feel strongly about, and care about, this is where you can make a stand on it.
    glgl

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#4950)
    I'm finding it hard to see Phighter as a villager. Let's ignore the fake claim. There's people that believe there's no way he could do that as a wolf because reasons and there's people, myself included, that have reiterated that yes he can based on our experience with him. I don't want to focus on that because there's just not much more to discuss on that topic. Let's also ignore meta stuff, smaller things like vote history, etc. Let's just focus on his posting.


    1. End of day one. Jaleb in the lead with 6 votes. We have this sequence:

    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#1099)
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaleb (#1097)
    Here's a perfect town circle. This is 100% correct and should never be questioned.
    Ampharos
    Apoc
    baudib1
    bopolis
    Boquise
    Frog
    IAmRobik
    Jaleb
    mhsmith0
    Phighter
    SwedishSkumbag
    Thingyman
    Visorslash
    yogsloth

    Would do a sort by post count, but doesn't feel as useful in a limited post count/5 day long day phase game.
    ... minus like, Frog, I think jaleb’s right

    Kinda spooky here tbh

    A defense of Jaleb.


    Then an attack on Smith

    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#1475)
    Quote Originally Posted by mhsmith0 (#1323)
    god there's like no one I actually want to lynch
    /goes into a corner to cry
    The posts of actual content from smith are lacking, to say the least

    ##Vote mhsmith0

    He posts like a wolf emboldened by not having any scumvotes on him
    He then proceeds to tunnel into smith until Jumpluff comes in with a counterclaim.

    Noteworthy: Smith is a villager on Jalebs list. So Phighter is saying "woah guys, super spooky, jalebs probably right about this villager list minus frog but also I'm going to tunnel into someone from this villager list".

    Phighter went through every basic "call a wolf bro a villager" trick in the book. He called him a villager for someone sketchy voting him (Wiggles, though then he turned around and called Smith a wolf for not having Wiggles as a consensus villager???). He called him a villager for a weak villa list post. He called Jaleb a null dart throw because he does this every game. He did everything in his power to move a lynch off of Jaleb day 1.




    2. We have the situation where he's making up reads. He called Weatherguy a wolf read because he agrees with Chris' push of Weatherguy. He called Chris a villager for liking Chris' push of Weatherguy. Chris never pushed Weatherguy. It never happened.


    3. After Visor was "peeked" and everyone is considering him outed, Visor eventually pops back in and makes an extremely mediocre reads list. A few people start suggesting we give him more time and Phighter comes in defending Visor to the death and trying to lynch Boq instead. He then pushes false narratives that "Dya and Fable were killed for being mason hunted" (Fable had 3 peeks and this is a way to discredit the Roman SHC), that he can't be a wolf if Visor is because he's defending Visor (I mean, obviously false considering half the thread didn't believe Robiks claim and were expressing willingness to go elsewhere), and saying that this is the same thing as the SR week how is nobody else worries (He was the biggest pusher of SR wolf being obvious and it was also nothing like SR because SR was posting fine despite being "outed" and Visor just locked up).


    4. Phighter is then pushing me for not being dead over a seer hunt and the seers peek (fable, dya), the claimed doctor (Baudib), and the claimed backup doctor (Marko). He is doing the same to panther.



    When I look at the entirety of Phighters posting this game - even ignoring the fake claim which I think is entirely in his wolf range and more likely to come from a wolf him than villager him - I see him defending wolves and making up $#@! that he can't really believe (either about things that literally didn't exist or the "X should be dead over all the power roles so they are a wolf). The only two things giving me minor pause are Visor being the 5th vote on him d1 to put him in the lead well before eod and peacing out for the phase and mask seeming more and more wolfy while not really being likely to be w/w. Those two things pale in comparison to the rest of the things.

    I think Frog works with him too and am fine voting Frog more to get some wagons and information. But it's really hard for me to see Phighter not flipping wolf here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#5082)
    ##Vote Phighter

    1. I could be convinced that maybe Phighter's fake claim was just an oopsies from an ambitious villager.
    I could be convinced that maybe Phighter's end of day 1 defense of Jaleb (including calling his wagon sketchy because Wiggles was on it and then pushing Smith for not having Wiggles as an obvious villager, calling jalebs post that was just a list of like 10 people he had as villagers "spooky" in how it was right and then turning around and pushing Smith who was on it, and calling Jaleb a null wagon "because he always does this" despite having multiple posts beforehand throwing jaleb in a wolf team pile) is a villager misread.
    I could be convinced that maybe Phighter making up reads on WG and Chris for something that didn't happen was a villagery misunderstanding of something else that was said/happened.
    I could be convinced that maybe Phighter pushing to save Visor once Visor posted and the thread started wondering if they should give Visor more space was just villagery paranoia.
    I could be convinced that maybe Phighter insisting that Fable was a mason hunt instead of a seer hunt is just a villagery misunderstanding of the mechanics.
    I could be convinced that maybe Phighter having me not being dead as his reason for wolf reading me despite the people that died being a Seer/Peek potential combo, a claimed doctor, and a claimed backup doctor is just a case of villagery paranoia.

    I cannot be convinced that they are all the case.


    2. I'm fine with Frog wagon. Think he's pretty wolfy for him. I just am more confident Phighter is a wolf so I'll be voting there.

    3. If bop ever flips wolf, thingys my pick for the wolf vig who he threw a peek at to give him more space once the pressure started coming in.

    4. Jan has continued to just not really ... do ... anything and I remind everyone that his eod1 was also bad. He agrees it's bad in theory by saying that I'm just saying things that are objectionally wolfy instead of wolfy specifically for him. Don't let him coast. Jan is a really good player and a dangerous presence for wolves when he's a villager. I don't see this.

    5. I'm on board with panther villager for good I think. The billy lost wolf case + checking on phighters pronoun usage is just the type of looking into weird things i associate with his villager game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#5238)
    It blows my mind that there's so many people in this game that are saying some form of "sure, he's super wolfy and has done pro wolf things every phase of the game. But if you can't tell me the exact wolf team, their grand schemes, and exactly what they are trying to do today then he can't be a wolf. checkmate."

    Like, you can't all be wolves and nobody in this game is bad so what is going on.

    I can't tell you grand wolf plans. I'm not in there making them.
    I can't tell you who wolves want wagoned. I'm not in there trying to decide that.
    I can't tell you what they are doing. I'm not in there doing it.

    I can only tell you that this one person has taken every pro wolf action they possibly could have, has made terrible arguments to push people that suited wolves and defended wolves that were in trouble, and has had so many people refusing to vote them for every reason that exists EXCEPT thinking they are playing villagery that I refuse to believe it's not at least some wolves defending him because wolves are literally a third of the damn game now and they can.

    Like, three different people have been like "but whats the grand plan?!" and $#@! if I know. I just know he's gotta be a wolf. The rest of that stuff is above my paygrade.

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    @Jan Wtr the jaleb-owner spew thing, i went back and checked. you're right, she didn't have any +'s from Jaleb's ISO, that was just me misremembering (i wrote that whole post from memory) because 2 of my reasons for townreading her had to DO with Jaleb, just it wasn't written by Jaleb, which "Jaleb spew" implies.

    The thing i think i didn't mention in my reasons for Owner!town in that post was this:

    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#4496)

    Quote Originally Posted by Owner Of A Lonely Heart (#2854)
    I didn't read Jaleb as scum, even though I should have really came that conclusion when he gave up.

    I think that's due to me seeing him give up as VT or another town role before. Or I felt like he was a favorite to get mislynched, but I happy that was wrong. I'm glad have 1 scum down where we can analyze and compare posts to.


    I believe what she's saying here, in which case she'd be villa. You can call it lvl 0 analysis if you want, and you'd be right, but that's the feeling i get (It's likely got to do with my general impression of Owner as a player)

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    Oh frog's here

    that's nice

    I'm done with hockey, heading out again for a while but it looks like I should be here for EOD after all

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    I think this is about to be 5 days in a row i hoarded posts like a dragon only to not get to 50 until the cap lifts

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    PS @Frog I guess if you need it you can look at phi's responses to sunbae, and then weight them against each other and tell me where your headspace comes down, but i really would rather hear what you think about it directly.

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    @Frog whos more likely wolf between owner/phi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owner Of A Lonely Heart (#5363)
    Quote Originally Posted by t om (#5312)
    @Owner Of A Lonely Heart can you walk me through your stance on visor d4?
    So Billy first claiming and I'm all for lynching Visor. I quickly then read Boq moreso as town because of how frequently visor had voted on him.

    Check gets rescinded. I'm unsure what that means for visor. I unvote.

    Robik claims check on visor. I'm back voting for visor.

    Sure Visor town read me in a big post, probably trying to appeal to me or cause wifom. Anyways, he still yolo voted me previously. This was the kind of yolo where he just disappeared afterwards. Visor has seen me as both alignments, so yeah, I do expect him to know the difference to some degree.

    He was still not active in the thread. I mean he had posts, but I hardly saw him. Basically, it came down to "well I don't see him; he's not making an effort in thread. he isn't being a threat to anyone. he's just scum."

    It's kind of like on Daily Mafia when players give a really good formal, but he just didn't have a voice in the game prior to the formal. Sometimes, it's just a player can't speak that well or loud enough to gain traction, but other times, they are just scum.

    Looking at visor, his actions didn't say town.
    Why wasnt he on your wolf list between the peeks then?

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    I dont think i like jan today. Pretty reachy for the turnaround on phi amd kept expecting a "lol" pushing owner for wicked...

    Still think visor treated him like a villa early on but could definitely see this as wolfjan snarling his way through an agenda

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    Other worry is currently ss/wg powerwolfing + both being delightful and sounding sincere

    Prolly exactly the sort of thing that could lose this game even if we go on a spree of wolf kp

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    Quote Originally Posted by t om (#5394)
    Other worry is currently ss/wg powerwolfing + both being delightful and sounding sincere

    Prolly exactly the sort of thing that could lose this game even if we go on a spree of wolf kp
    idk if it's an accent thing but i'm not finding SS sincere at all.

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    @Frog

    Cron I more or less dislike. Slight wolf read here, but his visor FPS is weird and has me doubting.

    Panther I more or less like. Kind of because he's on the same track on pushes, reading the thread temp similarly. Could easily be wolf, but I have as slight town.

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    Enjoy eod I don’t think I’ll be here

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    Old Cat Mafia Invitational Day 5 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    7 Phighter Weatherguy (27), Panther (50), IAmRobik (34), Roman (32), Sunbae (50), SwedishSkumbag (10), Owner Of A Lonely Heart (28)
    5 Frog bopolis (11), Shad (32), Chris (39), billymills (50), yogsloth (38)
    4 Owner Of A Lonely Heart Phighter (40), Cron (50), t om (39), Jan (49)
    1 Boquise Thingyman (5)
    1 Sunbae 4maskwolf (17)
    1 SwedishSkumbag Boquise (44)
    1 bopolis Frog (12)
    1 Not voting mhsmith0 (26)

    View Vote History

    End day at majority is enabled. With 21 players alive, it takes 11 votes to reach majority.

    Day 5 ends at 8:00 PM EDT on Sunday, September 29th, 2019. There are 1569801660000 remaining.

    Requested by Panther at 0 days, 2 hours, 21 minutes, 23 seconds remaining.

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    @Frog would really like to hear waht you think about things in something more meaningful than blurbs. sorry if that's $#@!ish, but if you're gonna take a strong stance alignment wise then peace out of the point where you have to bother defending it in a meaningful manner, i can't help but dislike that. Your represented headspace is that we're in v/v/v wagons, that it's vital to shake up the game state (and if we don't do this we lose most of the time)... and then you're happy enough to basically just state that and peace out. I don't understand your thinking there, would really like something more to it.

    @Panther if you cared enough to show up to openly waste your last 2 posts of day phase, would have been nice to get a response, both in terms of my bothering to answer your question as well as answering the question I asked you.

    @t om, you get that this is a really bad spot if phi is v and gets mislynched right? idk if you're devolving into "I want postgame credit" or whatever, but I don't really understand why you don't care more about that point. You've moved phi from strong town to essentially between null and a townlean (if I'm reading it right) and rather than doing the hard work of trying to engage with the case on him, you're doing the lazy work of poking at some other people and stating that you oppose the lynch but not so strongly that you're gonna go all out and really *DO* anything meaningful about it. As with frog, I'd really like to know why.

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