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    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6248)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6230)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#6187)
    No daychat is aids
    I thought the price for daychat was very inexpensive (no strongman), but your teammates disagreed.
    How were we supposed to know the lovers would be that easy to find.
    yeah why didnt anyone anticlaim them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6250)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6231)
    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency (#6197)
    Quote Originally Posted by mendel (#6188)
    would have expected Phighter to be primary and Pilica secondary, same effect
    Check this out:

    A few hours before EOD3, when Wes got pilled, the wagons were

    5 Pilica Wesmaster160, Montmorency, moms meatloaf, yurkin, Abraxas
    4 yurkin kaempfer13, Michelle, Phighter, WaywardSon
    2 Abraxas Pilica, mendel
    2 Phighter Spartan057, The Lukundo
    1 mendel Mischief

    It is very likely that IF the pill killed outside <wes, yurkin, abraxas> at 70% probability, and plausibly even if it killed yurkin or abraxas, that the main wagons at EOD would not have been pilica and phighter. Or even if they were, that they would have been close enough for phighter and pilica (or even more of us) to dogpile a townie and allow pilica to bomb lukundo (if alive) and kill a townie.

    Would that have been outing? Sure. But hark: D4 would have begun 3:4+1 instead of 2:6+1. Two more townies would be dead (one from pill, one from lynch), and one more scum - phighter - would be alive.

    All the scum could have been effectively outed at that point and the game would have been very challenging for Town.

    D4: Phighter lynch
    N4: 1 vig
    D5: 2:3 > Montmorency lynch
    N5: 1 vig
    D6: 1:2

    If anticlaim N4, instant GAME OVER for Town. Or if mislynch on D5, game would have been over after N5.


    Speaking of antilynch, we were conservative. N1 no candidates. N2 phighter refused to consider AC on wes or Lukundo, though to be fair we assumed Wes was JOAT and not cop. N3 I anticlaimed Emissary, so in the scenario I described above where the pill kills anyone but wes I would have been poised to AC a yurkin or abraxas claim.
    Yes yes yes all well and good...

    but you can't let town get away with all those claims and not submit AC early and often and still respect yourself as wolves in the morning lol

    Seriously I think wolves, Phighter in particular, saw the reward for anticlaim as blah (big deal, godfathering) without fully taking into account that ok, even if you don't care about godfathering, it's a stepping stone to what you really want, which is dead townies.
    If it was a 1-1 deal maybe. But you had to risk player 2x to kill.
    You just posted about how obvious players were wrt roles, so what risk are you really talking about here at the end of the day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6245)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6240)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#6212)
    I was jailing WWS N3 BTW
    I was strongman killing you if it transferred when I took over.
    someone correct me on this but I think strongman breaks through to kill a jailed person but if the killer is jailed no one dies even if killer uses strongman
    Strongman
    The Strongman modifier allows its user to be guaranteed that their night kill will work no matter what, penetrating and ignoring all forms of protective and blocking abilities. I.e. Doctors, Bodyguards, Jailkeepers, Roleblockers and Bulletproof Vests cannot stop a Strongman from using their night kill as intended, assuming they activate and use the Strongman ability. Vigilantes, Serial Killers and Mafia roles can all be combined with a Strongman modifier. Combining any other role with a Strongman modifier will have no effect, as the Strongman modifier only interacts with roles that already have a night kill, meaning that a Town Roleblocker does not get a kill from being made a Strongman. It's possible for a Strongman to have anywhere between one and infinite uses of their ability, and it's also possible to restrict the modifier so that the ability cannot be used on consecutive nights.

    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...249#post607249

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    Quote Originally Posted by mendel (#6243)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6239)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#6214)
    WWS' reaction to my fake peek was so obviously fake
    Nope. It was a antitown play. Anyone reading the thread already knew his role. My reaction would have been same regardless of alignment.
    you knew Spartan was VT?!?
    I was talking about Luks. I couldn't figure out if Spartan was or was not the Stump, hence why never AC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6244)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6239)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#6214)
    WWS' reaction to my fake peek was so obviously fake
    Nope. It was a antitown play. Anyone reading the thread already knew his role. My reaction would have been same regardless of alignment.
    I'll buy your argument if it's that he could have chosen someone more likely to be a wolf, but remember we are looking at this with, in the eyes of those who played Town this game, 20/20 hindsight, and in our case as wolf and host respectively, with perfect knowledge, so cut him some slack.

    The play itself is necessary to every player's repertoire.
    Just saying Luks was a bad choice. Hell he doced him and then FPS a check on him? Logically it doesn't play. But yeah knowing makes it worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6245)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6240)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#6212)
    I was jailing WWS N3 BTW
    I was strongman killing you if it transferred when I took over.
    someone correct me on this but I think strongman breaks through to kill a jailed person but if the killer is jailed no one dies even if killer uses strongman
    I killed a jker and ended up winning a game 10-1.
    Oh yeah she didnt submit, carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6251)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6248)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6230)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#6187)
    No daychat is aids
    I thought the price for daychat was very inexpensive (no strongman), but your teammates disagreed.
    How were we supposed to know the lovers would be that easy to find.
    yeah why didnt anyone anticlaim them?
    lol thought Even was emissary. I didn't want Montm to poison them I didn't want catgode shc. He wasn't listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6252)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6250)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6231)
    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency (#6197)
    Check this out:

    A few hours before EOD3, when Wes got pilled, the wagons were

    5 Pilica Wesmaster160, Montmorency, moms meatloaf, yurkin, Abraxas
    4 yurkin kaempfer13, Michelle, Phighter, WaywardSon
    2 Abraxas Pilica, mendel
    2 Phighter Spartan057, The Lukundo
    1 mendel Mischief

    It is very likely that IF the pill killed outside <wes, yurkin, abraxas> at 70% probability, and plausibly even if it killed yurkin or abraxas, that the main wagons at EOD would not have been pilica and phighter. Or even if they were, that they would have been close enough for phighter and pilica (or even more of us) to dogpile a townie and allow pilica to bomb lukundo (if alive) and kill a townie.

    Would that have been outing? Sure. But hark: D4 would have begun 3:4+1 instead of 2:6+1. Two more townies would be dead (one from pill, one from lynch), and one more scum - phighter - would be alive.

    All the scum could have been effectively outed at that point and the game would have been very challenging for Town.

    D4: Phighter lynch
    N4: 1 vig
    D5: 2:3 > Montmorency lynch
    N5: 1 vig
    D6: 1:2

    If anticlaim N4, instant GAME OVER for Town. Or if mislynch on D5, game would have been over after N5.


    Speaking of antilynch, we were conservative. N1 no candidates. N2 phighter refused to consider AC on wes or Lukundo, though to be fair we assumed Wes was JOAT and not cop. N3 I anticlaimed Emissary, so in the scenario I described above where the pill kills anyone but wes I would have been poised to AC a yurkin or abraxas claim.
    Yes yes yes all well and good...

    but you can't let town get away with all those claims and not submit AC early and often and still respect yourself as wolves in the morning lol

    Seriously I think wolves, Phighter in particular, saw the reward for anticlaim as blah (big deal, godfathering) without fully taking into account that ok, even if you don't care about godfathering, it's a stepping stone to what you really want, which is dead townies.
    If it was a 1-1 deal maybe. But you had to risk player 2x to kill.
    You just posted about how obvious players were wrt roles, so what risk are you really talking about here at the end of the day
    Because the majority of them were not correct lol
    Someone Ac Luks. Then died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mendel (#6253)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6245)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6240)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#6212)
    I was jailing WWS N3 BTW
    I was strongman killing you if it transferred when I took over.
    someone correct me on this but I think strongman breaks through to kill a jailed person but if the killer is jailed no one dies even if killer uses strongman
    Strongman
    The Strongman modifier allows its user to be guaranteed that their night kill will work no matter what, penetrating and ignoring all forms of protective and blocking abilities. I.e. Doctors, Bodyguards, Jailkeepers, Roleblockers and Bulletproof Vests cannot stop a Strongman from using their night kill as intended, assuming they activate and use the Strongman ability. Vigilantes, Serial Killers and Mafia roles can all be combined with a Strongman modifier. Combining any other role with a Strongman modifier will have no effect, as the Strongman modifier only interacts with roles that already have a night kill, meaning that a Town Roleblocker does not get a kill from being made a Strongman. It's possible for a Strongman to have anywhere between one and infinite uses of their ability, and it's also possible to restrict the modifier so that the ability cannot be used on consecutive nights.

    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...249#post607249
    TY

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    We didn't have confidence in the AC. That's why it wasn't used. It was too risky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6251)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6248)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6230)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#6187)
    No daychat is aids
    I thought the price for daychat was very inexpensive (no strongman), but your teammates disagreed.
    How were we supposed to know the lovers would be that easy to find.
    yeah why didnt anyone anticlaim them?
    you just explained how faking a claim needs to be in every player's repertoire
    how are wolves supposed to be able to do that?

    with a wolf kill power of 2 per night, a death to lynch kills 2 townies
    if a wolf dies to anticlaim before they have killed 2 townies via AC, the AC has -EV
    this requires 3 consecutive correct ACs with >80% certainty each
    how certain was Evenstar lover vs emissary?
    how certain was Wes being which cop?
    Spartan as treestump was wrong
    Lukundo as JK was ok because he knew the RBed scum, that can be 80%
    and if the wolf powering up the AC gets lynched, the process starts again

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    Quote Originally Posted by mendel (#6261)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6251)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6248)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6230)
    I thought the price for daychat was very inexpensive (no strongman), but your teammates disagreed.
    How were we supposed to know the lovers would be that easy to find.
    yeah why didnt anyone anticlaim them?
    you just explained how faking a claim needs to be in every player's repertoire
    how are wolves supposed to be able to do that?

    with a wolf kill power of 2 per night, a death to lynch kills 2 townies
    if a wolf dies to anticlaim before they have killed 2 townies via AC, the AC has -EV
    this requires 3 consecutive correct ACs with >80% certainty each
    how certain was Evenstar lover vs emissary?
    how certain was Wes being which cop?
    Spartan as treestump was wrong
    Lukundo as JK was ok because he knew the RBed scum, that can be 80%
    and if the wolf powering up the AC gets lynched, the process starts again
    EBWOP how are wolves supposed to be to distinguish fake claims from correct claims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#6229)
    Quote Originally Posted by mendel (#6218)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#4181)
    Quote Originally Posted by kaempfer13 (#4178)
    The thing is gg just having been one of the poisoner is more likely than gg not being one and Lukundo blocking one. we have to look at the path that lead us here. I'd love for phighter to just be the poisoner, but the way he played that, he never actually is.
    Him, mendel, Pilicia or WWS

    I’ll sheep you, scout’s honour
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#4213)
    If mendel isn’t scum and all the other 3 are scum, I’m having words with Kaempfer postgame
    reddening mine
    @kaempfer13

    Ahoy there!
    If those are all of your words about that, i think I'll live.

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    anti-claim is not a kill power
    its function is to prevent town doing a mass claim strategy
    it did that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#6222)
    @mendel sorry for my paranoia, i was extremely stressed ^^

    Also i hope i wasn't a big nuissance for @Mischief (take care of your health) and @Abraxas. My last day was just crazy.
    It's all good.
    There were probably certain points where I probably didn't to an amazing job of alleviating any concerns, as I was sleep deprived as $#@! and probably less coherent in my views or less active.
    @mendel sorry as well, if I was a bit overly rude in my rather hard tunnel of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6255)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6244)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6239)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#6214)
    WWS' reaction to my fake peek was so obviously fake
    Nope. It was a antitown play. Anyone reading the thread already knew his role. My reaction would have been same regardless of alignment.
    I'll buy your argument if it's that he could have chosen someone more likely to be a wolf, but remember we are looking at this with, in the eyes of those who played Town this game, 20/20 hindsight, and in our case as wolf and host respectively, with perfect knowledge, so cut him some slack.

    The play itself is necessary to every player's repertoire.
    Just saying Luks was a bad choice. Hell he doced him and then FPS a check on him? Logically it doesn't play. But yeah knowing makes it worse.
    yep

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6257)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6251)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6248)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6230)
    I thought the price for daychat was very inexpensive (no strongman), but your teammates disagreed.
    How were we supposed to know the lovers would be that easy to find.
    yeah why didnt anyone anticlaim them?
    lol thought Even was emissary. I didn't want Montm to poison them I didn't want catgode shc. He wasn't listening.
    how does that stop you folks from submitting an acm??? thats just biazarre

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6260)
    We didn't have confidence in the AC. That's why it wasn't used. It was too risky.
    It was objectively not literally "too" risky, do you see why?

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    The extent to which town's claims are fake is inversely proportional to the extent to which town obtains an advantage from doing that, so it makes sense that the anticlaim should grow in risk as benefit to town decreases. When Town starts relying heavily on claims in its lynch decisions is when you need to submit ACM to counter that POE-reducing benefit the town is obtaining.
    Last edited by Zork; September 20th, 2019 at 09:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6268)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6260)
    We didn't have confidence in the AC. That's why it wasn't used. It was too risky.
    It was objectively not literally "too" risky, do you see why?
    Furthermore, like I laid out in the pinned message in DVC, if you had submitted the AC instead of Mont, you'd have had to secure only one mislynch to win your end game instead of two. And this doesn't even take into account that you could have taken some reasonable risks on some other ACs and strategized who were the mafia deep enough to be the designated submitters (because if you don't live long enough to reap the benefit of turning your submission into KP, then might as well let someone else do it, though there is something to be said with letting someone who is going to die soon anyway bear the risk should the claim be incorrect).

    Unless you simply hadn't had a clue that Abra was the even doc...in which case, gg town.

    Plus you didn't survive the first lynch anyway so...town just played too well and mafia was unlucky with how the 1-pill randed but those are only parts of the story...
    Last edited by Zork; September 20th, 2019 at 10:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6267)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6257)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6251)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6248)
    How were we supposed to know the lovers would be that easy to find.
    yeah why didnt anyone anticlaim them?
    lol thought Even was emissary. I didn't want Montm to poison them I didn't want catgode shc. He wasn't listening.
    how does that stop you folks from submitting an acm??? thats just biazarre
    The risk out weighs the reward. You have God knowledge. You know where claims are. In game it is not as cut and dry. With pill lists threat all the PR threats. AC is not worth the risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6268)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6260)
    We didn't have confidence in the AC. That's why it wasn't used. It was too risky.
    It was objectively not literally "too" risky, do you see why?
    I maintain my position on this. The 2 step process is another lean to the townside regardless of the chance to be greeen The kill isn't worth that risk. If the balance is setup where you have to use the ac then it isn't balanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6269)
    The extent to which town's claims are fake is inversely proportional to the extent to which town obtains an advantage from doing that, so it makes sense that the anticlaim should grow in risk as benefit to town decreases. When Town starts relying heavily on claims in its lynch decisions is when you need to submit ACM to counter that POE-reducing benefit the town is obtaining.
    Not enough wolves. Too many town prs. Risk is too great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6272)
    If the balance is setup where you have to use the ac then it isn't balanced.
    I agree. However, in this game, the ball starts in the Town's court. And if they hit that ball by claiming (soft, hard, or whatever), then you probably have to think about using the ACM tool to respond.

    The game was designed to be balanced if the town doesn't claim at all (no use of ACM) and if the town does claim to whatever extent (use of ACM). The inbalance occurs when, in the latter case, the Mafia do not respond with the tool at their disposal to Town's roleclaiming.

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    WWS, the consensus in DVC among mafia and town alike was that the anticlaim mechanism was underutilized as a tool to combat the soft and hard claims of the town. Wildfire was obviously the Emissary, for example. The Lovers were another. The only two players in the game who were mutually hard-clearing each other were the Lovers.

    Now if they had pretended not to know each other, and if Wifi had been more circumspect in her n0 peek instead of broadcasting it at least 7 different times in all caps, you'd have more of an argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6275)
    WWS, the consensus in DVC among mafia and town alike was that the anticlaim mechanism was underutilized as a tool to combat the soft and hard claims of the town. Wildfire was obviously the Emissary, for example. The Lovers were another. The only two players in the game who were mutually hard-clearing each other were the Lovers.

    Now if they had pretended not to know each other, and if Wifi had been more circumspect in her n0 peek instead of broadcasting it at least 7 different times in all caps, you'd have more of an argument.
    LOLOLOL It says when you give shc that you have to stick with it to the end. spartan kept being the lynch target like every single day....what up with dat??? anyway, I tried to start out slick but I didn't want spartan to be ML and then when/if I flipped get pounded for not protecting him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildfire (#6276)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6275)
    WWS, the consensus in DVC among mafia and town alike was that the anticlaim mechanism was underutilized as a tool to combat the soft and hard claims of the town. Wildfire was obviously the Emissary, for example. The Lovers were another. The only two players in the game who were mutually hard-clearing each other were the Lovers.

    Now if they had pretended not to know each other, and if Wifi had been more circumspect in her n0 peek instead of broadcasting it at least 7 different times in all caps, you'd have more of an argument.
    LOLOLOL It says when you give shc that you have to stick with it to the end. spartan kept being the lynch target like every single day....what up with dat??? anyway, I tried to start out slick but I didn't want spartan to be ML and then when/if I flipped get pounded for not protecting him.
    I wasn't criticizing you or your play, in fact, you were one of the MVPs for your creative use of the lists mechanic and excellent reads. I would have been yelling it just as loudly as you if people didn't believe me as much as they didn't believe you. It was amazing to see that not even the wolves believed you! It made no sense from my omniscient perspective.

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    why is wayward scum every game im in

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    Quote Originally Posted by moms meatloaf (#6278)
    why is wayward scum every game im in
    To keep the force in balance.
    I'm always a villager, so clearly I should thank him for simplifying things for me.

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    All I can say is, I wanted to AC N2 but if we'd had my way I would have died D3 incorrectly claiming Wes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6233)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#6203)
    I still stand by my decision to fake a red check on Lukundo
    It did end up outing a PR, yes. But if we had just settled on spartan like it felt like we were going to, i think we would have lost this game.
    I agree you did the right thing, but that it didn't work out.

    Anyone who does not have what Marl did as part of their Town repertoire has a leak in their game. Do you see why?
    Well, uh, I have fake-claiming Mafia in my repertoire...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6234)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#6213)
    Quote Originally Posted by kaempfer13 (#6205)
    That only worked because wws was topwagon and Phighter decided to make it obvious he was trying to save him. And we still struggled to go for wws after that somehow.
    My day3 vca always, always catches at least one wolf. Sometimes I am too firmly pocketed too realize which one it is though.
    Even if it hadn't worked in that specific way, i still stand by the play being an objectly positive one
    Yes, because the times you fake a red on a scum makes it oh so worth it in that game and also protects your real cop game when you have a genuine red check.
    In one game, scum was getting rolled by D4 but the last scum might have been able to reach the sweet spot had a townie not fake peeked him - not out of suspicion IIRC but just for kicks. The scum was so mad at being fakepeeked while knowing it was fake that he melted down and forfeited.

    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6241)
    Without Montm voting there was no saving Phighter. Best case it would have randed. I was ready. But I had to tell Montm in wc that Phighter was dead....
    In principle I would have been willing to wagon a townie with you in a transparent way, but - was Phighter even around EOD to try it? It would have had to be done within a minute, or townies would just transfer onto phighter and it would be giving up the whole game for nothing. (Just look at Spartan's rapid reaction just before EOD/bombing for example.)

    Ultimately without nightchat it just wasn't available. The coordination and timing necessary was too tight. With nightchat, we could have simultaneously dropped votes alongside Pilica's bombing 10 seconds before EOD. (For the record, my vote on nightchat was 'IDK.')

    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6248)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6230)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#6187)
    No daychat is aids
    I thought the price for daychat was very inexpensive (no strongman), but your teammates disagreed.
    How were we supposed to know the lovers would be that easy to find.
    Bittersweet, our N1 was near-perfect.

    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6256)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6245)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lukundo (#6212)
    I was jailing WWS N3 BTW
    I was strongman killing you if it transferred when I took over.
    someone correct me on this but I think strongman breaks through to kill a jailed person but if the killer is jailed no one dies even if killer uses strongman
    I killed a jker and ended up winning a game 10-1.
    Oh yeah she didnt submit, carry on.
    Re: JK, I've never heard of a strongman being able to break out of JK but I suppose the rules Mendel quoted can be interpreted that way. A block should be a block unless the role/modifier is explicitly unblockable.

    Tangentially, the Mafia grandmaster ATPG used to proclaim that RB claims should always be lynched because most of the time they are scum. Well, what he actually said was a little more sophisticated than that but that's how I choose to relate it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6275)
    WWS, the consensus in DVC among mafia and town alike was that the anticlaim mechanism was underutilized as a tool to combat the soft and hard claims of the town. Wildfire was obviously the Emissary, for example. The Lovers were another. The only two players in the game who were mutually hard-clearing each other were the Lovers.

    Now if they had pretended not to know each other, and if Wifi had been more circumspect in her n0 peek instead of broadcasting it at least 7 different times in all caps, you'd have more of an argument.
    Was there a discord? The forum deadchat is empty as far as I can see.

    And speaking personally, I'm too dense to understand soft claims; I don't think I picked up a single one. I was even wrong about Trustworthy, who softed another PR while dying (after rescinding his cop claim), when in fact he was a VT. In fact N1 we all thought he would be a PR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mischief (#6265)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#6222)
    @mendel sorry for my paranoia, i was extremely stressed ^^

    Also i hope i wasn't a big nuissance for @Mischief (take care of your health) and @Abraxas. My last day was just crazy.
    It's all good.
    There were probably certain points where I probably didn't to an amazing job of alleviating any concerns, as I was sleep deprived as $#@! and probably less coherent in my views or less active.
    @mendel sorry as well, if I was a bit overly rude in my rather hard tunnel of you.
    i dont remember you being rude

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    Quote Originally Posted by moms meatloaf (#6278)
    why is wayward scum every game im in
    That's not entirely accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency (#6280)
    In principle I would have been willing to wagon a townie with you in a transparent way, but - was Phighter even around EOD to try it? It would have had to be done within a minute, or townies would just transfer onto phighter and it would be giving up the whole game for nothing. (Just look at Spartan's rapid reaction just before EOD/bombing for example.)

    Ultimately without nightchat it just wasn't available. The coordination and timing necessary was too tight. With nightchat, we could have simultaneously dropped votes alongside Pilica's bombing 10 seconds before EOD. (For the record, my vote on nightchat was 'IDK.')
    His vote was on yurkin. I voted after Spartan. I was waiting to see if you voted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6282)
    Quote Originally Posted by moms meatloaf (#6278)
    why is wayward scum every game im in
    That's not entirely accurate.
    I can't remember the last game of mine that you randed Town, it's freaking weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6284)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6282)
    Quote Originally Posted by moms meatloaf (#6278)
    why is wayward scum every game im in
    That's not entirely accurate.
    I can't remember the last game of mine that you randed Town, it's freaking weird.
    Petrology where I vigged him as town...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#6285)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zork (#6284)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#6282)
    Quote Originally Posted by moms meatloaf (#6278)
    why is wayward scum every game im in
    That's not entirely accurate.
    I can't remember the last game of mine that you randed Town, it's freaking weird.
    Petrology where I vigged him as town...
    This^

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