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    Diplomacy: Westeros Edition (signups)

    The Premise

    Those of you who know me may or may not be aware of the fact that I'm a HUGE $#@!ing nerd. As such, I'm a big fan of the following:

    - The 1954 strategy board game Diplomacy
    - George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire

    Given that I have nothing better to do, I'd like to combine the two. Let's play some Diplomacy.

    The Map:

    We'll be playing with this map, which was stolen borrowed from the BoardGameGeek forums.



    Based on the thread I found it in, I'm confident that it's been playtested to a degree that it's in the "playable" range of game balance.

    Our 8 "nations" are as follows:

    House Stark (White)
    House Greyjoy (Black)
    House Tully (Blue)
    House Arryn (Cyan)
    House Lannister (Red)
    House Baratheon (Yellow)
    House Tyrell (Green)
    House Martell (Orange)


    Slight cosmetic tweaks to the map will be made in order to ease the updating process. The final map may look slightly different but will functionally be the same. edit: did this already, edited the corrected map into this post

    The Rules

    The basic rules of Diplomacy can be found here. As we're playing with a nonstandard map, some of these rules obviously do not apply. Changes to the standard ruleset are as follows:

    - There are 53 total supply centers on the map. Due to the sheer size of the map and number of players, victory will only require 20 supply centers.
    - In addition to the blacked-out areas, lakes (such as near Harrenhal) and rivers (such as next to Kingsroad middle) are impassable terrain. Fleets cannot be built at or traverse these areas.
    - Split coastlines can be found at The Wall, Moat Cailin, Greywater Forest, and Maidenpool. Standard rules for split coastlines apply.
    - Any unlabeled islands are entirely cosmetic and do not represent actual game spaces.

    As far as gameflow goes: Spring and Fall phases will have 48 hour deadlines. Winter and retreat phases will have 24 hour deadlines. Deadlines will be strictly upheld. Unordered units will be considered holding in place. Unordered disbands will start with the furthest units away from home supply centers - fleets first, then armies. Further ties broken alphabetically by space.

    The above rules are negotiable depending on the preferences of the players, but will not be changed after the game starts except in cases of extreme emergency.

    Signups:

    1. @GeneralHankerchief
    2. @Zack
    3. @Michael123
    4. @Apoc
    5. @Shad
    6. @Logic
    7. @Lads
    8. @Dp101

    When signing up, please PRIVATELY submit a ranked list of nations. You will receive the first choice on your list that's still available. Nation assignments will not be revealed until gamestart.

    Game will start when filled (unless it fills before I can fix the map, in which case it'll have to wait a bit lol), flexible at player request.
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    i've totally read the entire op from start to finish and wasn't pre-alerted by amy that this was happening

    -edit- will submit a ranked list when i have some time later tonight or tomorrow
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    Oh yeah, something I forgot: Communication Rules.

    Screenshotting or screen sharing of any sort is disallowed at all times. Players may communicate publicly or privately in any manner of their choosing during Spring and Fall phases. Communication of any sort is disallowed during Winter and Retreat phases.

    If requested, I'm willing to make a Discord server for the purpose of this game.
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    I was going to join now and read anything once the game's started, but 8p so maybe that would be bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#3)
    Oh yeah, something I forgot: Communication Rules.

    Screenshotting or screen sharing of any sort is disallowed at all times. Players may communicate publicly or privately in any manner of their choosing during Spring and Fall phases. Communication of any sort is disallowed during Winter and Retreat phases.

    If requested, I'm willing to make a Discord server for the purpose of this game.
    Oh, RULEBOOK diplomacy then
    Pssh
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    Real players play GUNBOAT diplomacy yo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#5)
    I was going to join now and read anything once the game's started, but 8p so maybe that would be bad
    There's very little reading required if you've played Diplomacy before.

    If you haven't... yeah, I wouldn't recommend charging in blind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#7)
    I wouldn't recommend charging in blind.
    Now you are challenging me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Panther
    I thought you were a nerd last week but then I saw you say you play golf and remember you said you chewed so you're some kind of unicorn or something

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    have also not read anything yet but in

    did you play or host the org diplomacy game gh? I can't remember

    edit: I could have sworn I played forum Diplomacy in the Gameroom but I can't find the thread anywhere.
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    I think having a discord server is a good idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#1)
    Given that I have nothing better to do, I'd like to combine the two.
    ...


    https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/...second-edition

    Have you played this?

    It might be my favourite game

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    Ok I actually took the initiative to click the link to the rules. That's half the battle.

    /in

    Now to read them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#1)
    The Premise

    Those of you who know me may or may not be aware of the fact that I'm a HUGE $#@!ing nerd.
    not in, but confirming the above in case anyone had doubts (tho i really doubt anyone would)
    jumpluff - Last Tuesday at 11:55 PM
    i never saw killthestory play
    i think i have seen yolo villa once also
    i dont have any meta on them i can only rea off your meta + their posting was what i meant
    Prada - Last Tuesday at 11:56 PM
    a lot of $#@!posting and really weird play in situations to clear himself by playing against the ideal play of lynches

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    The next real literary "rebels" in this country might well emerge as some weird bunch of anti-rebels, born oglers who dare somehow to back away from ironic watching, who have the childish gall actually to endorse and instantiate single-entendre principles. Who treat of plain old untrendy human troubles and emotions in U.S. life with reverence and conviction. Who eschew self-consciousness and hip fatigue. These anti-rebels would be outdated, of course, before they even started. Dead on the page. Too sincere. Clearly repressed. Backward, quaint, naive, anachronistic. Maybe that'll be the point. Maybe that's why they'll be the next real rebels. Real rebels, as far as I can see, risk disapproval. The old postmodern insurgents risked the gasp and squeal: shock, disgust, outrage, censorship, accusations of socialism, anarchism, nihilism. Today's risks are different. The new rebels might be artists willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the "Oh how banal". To risk accusations of sentimentality, melodrama. Of overcredulity. Of softness. Of willingness to be suckered by a world of lurkers and starers who fear gaze and ridicule above imprisonment without law. Who knows.

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    In case anyone is signing up who doesn't know much about diplomacy (total newbie or like 1-2 games played), here's a video (and honestly a series of videos) which I think is pretty helpful in terms of improving how you think about and play the game


    https://brotherbored.com/online-dipl...psy-of-france/
    is also a very good post-game analysis of the sort of wrong moves one can make, and how quickly you can get punished for them

    obviously different game, different board here, but I think it's somewhat helpful in terms of useful things to think about (again, more for anyone who hasn't really played much or at all compared to more veteran people)

    good luck all and I hope this is a fun one to watch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#11)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#1)
    Given that I have nothing better to do, I'd like to combine the two.
    ...


    https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/...second-edition

    Have you played this?

    It might be my favourite game
    I always have trouble with finding people willing to play that game. Mostly because they don't want to learn it from a 20-minute YouTube video.
    Last edited by Logic; September 11th, 2019 at 05:25 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mercedes (#2248)
    Man, Logic is hitting hard left and wrong
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Foster Wallace
    The next real literary "rebels" in this country might well emerge as some weird bunch of anti-rebels, born oglers who dare somehow to back away from ironic watching, who have the childish gall actually to endorse and instantiate single-entendre principles. Who treat of plain old untrendy human troubles and emotions in U.S. life with reverence and conviction. Who eschew self-consciousness and hip fatigue. These anti-rebels would be outdated, of course, before they even started. Dead on the page. Too sincere. Clearly repressed. Backward, quaint, naive, anachronistic. Maybe that'll be the point. Maybe that's why they'll be the next real rebels. Real rebels, as far as I can see, risk disapproval. The old postmodern insurgents risked the gasp and squeal: shock, disgust, outrage, censorship, accusations of socialism, anarchism, nihilism. Today's risks are different. The new rebels might be artists willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the "Oh how banal". To risk accusations of sentimentality, melodrama. Of overcredulity. Of softness. Of willingness to be suckered by a world of lurkers and starers who fear gaze and ridicule above imprisonment without law. Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#11)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#1)
    Given that I have nothing better to do, I'd like to combine the two.
    ...


    https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/...second-edition

    Have you played this?

    It might be my favourite game
    @Ampharos

    No seriously
    Last edited by Apoc; September 12th, 2019 at 03:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#18)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#11)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#1)
    Given that I have nothing better to do, I'd like to combine the two.
    ...


    https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/...second-edition

    Have you played this?

    It might be my favourite game
    @Ampharos

    No seriously
    I haven't, no.

    (also the reason i didn't reply the first time around was because i thought i already had, but upon further recollection it turns out that was on Discord)
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    Unrelated:

    I fixed the map.

    It's not going to look like I did very much, but I assure you this took like 4 hours, and that it's now actually usable for order resolution.

    Also I changed the names of all the directional Riverlands tiles because I was unimpressed by the lack of creativity.

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    I have not played this game before but I'm in will read the pdf tonight

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    We're at 8. Thinking Friday 7 ET gamestart to give people the weekend for the first spring. Lemme know if anyone has a better proposal.

    Also don't forget to send your house preferences if you haven't already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zack (#9)
    have also not read anything yet but in

    did you play or host the org diplomacy game gh? I can't remember

    edit: I could have sworn I played forum Diplomacy in the Gameroom but I can't find the thread anywhere.
    Pretty sure I played in two over the years. One from like, summer 09 or 10, and the other from later on in the Gameroom's lifecycle (2014 maybe?). Don't think I ever hosted one.

    Fine with start time btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#22)
    You give the Starks Bear Island, but then don't bother to name it.
    For aesthetic purposes Bear Island is grouped with Deepwood Motte. Same with Skagos/The Wall and that island next to Sunspear/Sunspear.
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    The official Discord server for this game can be found here. A spectator chat can be found here as well.

    Last edited by Ampharos; September 12th, 2019 at 09:29 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#27)
    The official Discord server for this game can be found here. A spectator chat can be found here as well.

    @Ampharos

    invite doesn't work
    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#6)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#28)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#27)
    The official Discord server for this game can be found here. A spectator chat can be found here as well.

    @Ampharos

    invite doesn't work
    edited, try again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#30)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#28)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#27)
    The official Discord server for this game can be found here. A spectator chat can be found here as well.

    @Ampharos

    invite doesn't work
    edited, try again
    says I don't have permission

    lemme leave a couple servers and try again
    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#6)
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    Out. I thought it would start next week sometime not tomorrow already.

    Good luck though I'll play the next one and see how this goes too!
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    wellllllllllllll i guess zork's slot is up for grabs if anyone wants it
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    @Dp101 is in for Zork.
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    Sunset Sea South was incorrectly labeled as "Summer Sea South". This has been corrected.
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    I'll be honest i'm a little stressed out about how quick this has progressed

    Havent even had a chance to read the rules yet

    Are 48 hr phases long enough? Is there a lot to do in each turn?


    Still /in

    Just putting it out there

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    Yeah I've made to page 9 out of 24 in the rules so far.

    I'm down for longer phases, but I'll figure something out if we don't.
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    I thought you were a nerd last week but then I saw you say you play golf and remember you said you chewed so you're some kind of unicorn or something

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    I have a feeling once we're in full swing 48/24 will feel long.

    Extending the first round or two might be nice though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#38)
    I have a feeling once we're in full swing 48/24 will feel long.

    Extending the first round or two might be nice though.
    After polling the masses on Discord, it seems this is a popular consensus.

    The first Spring/Fall will thus be 72 hours instead of 48.
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