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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib1 (#3099)
    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#3084)
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib1 (#3083)
    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#3082)
    i consider this bias as i was legitamately frustrated with his play that day
    It was clear to me even before the vig claim that he was a villager who was playing well, and I think I said that at some point. The thing is you pushing the vig soft is really anti-town in this setup (I had an issue with Chemist doing this as well). Then your reaction is really bad IMO, the "all you've done is blast wolves" is pretty LOL. But you had a lot of WIM there and sometimes that's all you need.
    well, its actually better to call out softs IMO especially obvious ones, at least in a scared setup.

    and at that point in the game MM was just complaining about not having his reads sheeped, and refused to engage. obviously im biased and didnt read him fully but i stand by the frustration in his play on d4 as being legitimate and not faked
    I mean I noticed it and wasn't going to say anything. Also you and MM are on different teams so I don't get how you can sincerely say his play was frustrating. I said we should just sheep him. shrugemoji
    I strongly believe that i would have responded the same way as town, maybe not for as long and as ATE but the initial reaction was genuine. and so is the belief that calling out softs in a game where you get vanillad for softing is correct. i could have easily just linked that post to bear and been chilling. aligned with MM and gone for the wisdom ML ( i think he was pushing wisdom and susp?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#3097)
    Quote Originally Posted by bearsquared (#3096)
    Quote Originally Posted by moms meatloaf (#3091)
    was fun and challenging. I liked the setup and the difficulty.
    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#3094)
    this setup is super interesting, hope to see more of it
    Thaaaat reminds me. I was running this an experiment to see if this setup was indeed as interesting as it seemed on paper (it was to me), and if the complexity, and nuance was fun as opposed to feeling like a competitive math test or something, and it seemed more like the former.

    With all that being said, I'm interested if anyone has feedback, and if there was anything you particularly did or did not, or anything else that was really interesting, or strange or whatever. I think the next time I run it I'll try a 21er again to see how that goes, and I've kicked around the idea of giving wolves a 1-shot vig, but really unsure on that one.
    the follower feels a little too weak, might buff it up some how, potentially a version that checks to see if the slot has ever carried KP would add more layers to the wolf night play and would give follower more consistently usable information in the late game.
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib1 (#3098)
    I think a Jailkeeper or JOAT might be better than follower but IDK. Hard to judge off this game.
    I may run it again with a Follower to get more data since I didn't get much from it this time around, but I'll keep this in mind. Removing the Ninja modifier from the JKs makes it more powerful, and doesn't change things too much, but adding effectively n1 red checks is a bit against of the spirit of the setup. I'll think on it more though.

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#3095)
    thx for the host
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#3100)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#3040)
    Game Over

    The Town has been overrun. The Mafia team wins.

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    @Marluxion
    @stormslyde
    @Suspicious
    x2 Mafia Goon
    x1 Mafia Ninja Even-Night Jailkeeper
    x1 Mafia Ninja Odd-Night Jailkeeper
    x10 Town Vanilla
    x1 Town Follower
    x1 Town Scared Even-Night Vigilante
    x1 Town Scared Odd-Night Vigilante
    baudib1 (Town Vanilla)
    Chemist1422 (Town Vanilla)
    Chocolate (Town Vanilla)
    Colin (Town Vanilla)
    Contrainer (Town Follower)
    dota (Town Vanilla)
    Duk3star (Town Scared Even-Night Vigilante)
    Impeaceful (Town Vanilla)
    Kliff (Town Vanilla)
    Logic (Mafia Goon)
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    Me, An Intellectual (Town Vanilla)
    moms meatloaf (Town Scared Odd-Night Vigilante)
    Pilica (Town Vanilla)
    stormslyde (Mafia Ninja Even-Night Jailkeeper)
    Suspicious (Mafia Ninja Odd-Night Jailkeeper)
    Wisdom (Town Vanilla)
    N1: baudib1 subbed in for lol
    N1: Logic subbed in for Cobalt
    2: Wisdom subbed in for Spinach Nipples

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    So i was right on my reads on both at EOD1, already started to suspect Suspicious for being off. Later in DVC didnt read with attention and got $#@!ty reads.
    No one gave a $#@! at the reason of my death smh.

    Bear tnx 4 hosting an awesome setup.
    Meatloaf he had some insane reads.
    Gg both
    Thank you both for playing!

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    GG and thanks Bear for hosting.

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    Sorry that I'm not good enough to carry a game.

    I never would have won anyway. I town read Susp too strongly. Even if I stuck to my tr on Chem I would have lynched Cont over doubting Susp every day.

    Susp did some things that pinged me, but I wasn't sure his big amounts of analyses was in his scum range. Next time maybe I have a better chance.

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    The setup was nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#3101)
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib1 (#3099)
    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#3084)
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib1 (#3083)
    It was clear to me even before the vig claim that he was a villager who was playing well, and I think I said that at some point. The thing is you pushing the vig soft is really anti-town in this setup (I had an issue with Chemist doing this as well). Then your reaction is really bad IMO, the "all you've done is blast wolves" is pretty LOL. But you had a lot of WIM there and sometimes that's all you need.
    well, its actually better to call out softs IMO especially obvious ones, at least in a scared setup.

    and at that point in the game MM was just complaining about not having his reads sheeped, and refused to engage. obviously im biased and didnt read him fully but i stand by the frustration in his play on d4 as being legitimate and not faked
    I mean I noticed it and wasn't going to say anything. Also you and MM are on different teams so I don't get how you can sincerely say his play was frustrating. I said we should just sheep him. shrugemoji
    I strongly believe that i would have responded the same way as town, maybe not for as long and as ATE but the initial reaction was genuine. and so is the belief that calling out softs in a game where you get vanillad for softing is correct. i could have easily just linked that post to bear and been chilling. aligned with MM and gone for the wisdom ML ( i think he was pushing wisdom and susp?)

    Honestly there was this moment earlier in the game where you tried to ask me something and I saw it but I was kinda busy and also felt that you were an obvious wolf so responding to your question wasn't going to be worth it. Maybe if he felt you were a villager he would have responded differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib1 (#3107)
    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#3101)
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib1 (#3099)
    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#3084)
    well, its actually better to call out softs IMO especially obvious ones, at least in a scared setup.

    and at that point in the game MM was just complaining about not having his reads sheeped, and refused to engage. obviously im biased and didnt read him fully but i stand by the frustration in his play on d4 as being legitimate and not faked
    I mean I noticed it and wasn't going to say anything. Also you and MM are on different teams so I don't get how you can sincerely say his play was frustrating. I said we should just sheep him. shrugemoji
    I strongly believe that i would have responded the same way as town, maybe not for as long and as ATE but the initial reaction was genuine. and so is the belief that calling out softs in a game where you get vanillad for softing is correct. i could have easily just linked that post to bear and been chilling. aligned with MM and gone for the wisdom ML ( i think he was pushing wisdom and susp?)

    Honestly there was this moment earlier in the game where you tried to ask me something and I saw it but I was kinda busy and also felt that you were an obvious wolf so responding to your question wasn't going to be worth it. Maybe if he felt you were a villager he would have responded differently.
    considering he never mafia read me that day and just omgused me i doubt it, he responded the same to MAI.

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    @bearsquared if you remove the ninja on the JK you would have to add a backup for the mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#3108)
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib1 (#3107)
    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#3101)
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib1 (#3099)
    I mean I noticed it and wasn't going to say anything. Also you and MM are on different teams so I don't get how you can sincerely say his play was frustrating. I said we should just sheep him. shrugemoji
    I strongly believe that i would have responded the same way as town, maybe not for as long and as ATE but the initial reaction was genuine. and so is the belief that calling out softs in a game where you get vanillad for softing is correct. i could have easily just linked that post to bear and been chilling. aligned with MM and gone for the wisdom ML ( i think he was pushing wisdom and susp?)

    Honestly there was this moment earlier in the game where you tried to ask me something and I saw it but I was kinda busy and also felt that you were an obvious wolf so responding to your question wasn't going to be worth it. Maybe if he felt you were a villager he would have responded differently.
    considering he never mafia read me that day and just omgused me i doubt it, he responded the same to MAI.
    no he definitely responded when i asked about his read on you with you were scummy as hell all of d2 and d3

    then promptly went back to not pushing for you and doing other things

    at least thats how i recall it

    then you didnt come up again utnil eod where they almost got you but by then i got too pocketed for being annoyed with meatloaf like you were

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    in hindsight i obviously should've just said "ok i think you're town and i agree, lets vote him today"

    but i was doing my thing and tunneling baudib/contrainer too

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    i think the follower is just a extra clear. not sure it needs to be changed tho

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    Re: work as well, these phases really did suck for me; my shift would always begin around EOD, and unless I wanted to lose my job, there was no way I could actually play. The best I could do was make quick mobile responses.

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    Well $#@!

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    Honestly, part of the motivation behind the storm vote was that we assumed after D4 he'd get speedlynched. Wisdom went in that direction but I didn't expect MAI to double down.

    Basically, the ensuing arguments ensured either storm/myself would win since we had a pocket apiece and just needed one bad vote in LyLo. It also made a world where we were partners hard to envision so win/win either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#3100)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#3040)
    Game Over

    The Town has been overrun. The Mafia team wins.

    Mafia Members

    @Logic
    @Marluxion
    @stormslyde
    @Suspicious
    x2 Mafia Goon
    x1 Mafia Ninja Even-Night Jailkeeper
    x1 Mafia Ninja Odd-Night Jailkeeper
    x10 Town Vanilla
    x1 Town Follower
    x1 Town Scared Even-Night Vigilante
    x1 Town Scared Odd-Night Vigilante
    baudib1 (Town Vanilla)
    Chemist1422 (Town Vanilla)
    Chocolate (Town Vanilla)
    Colin (Town Vanilla)
    Contrainer (Town Follower)
    dota (Town Vanilla)
    Duk3star (Town Scared Even-Night Vigilante)
    Impeaceful (Town Vanilla)
    Kliff (Town Vanilla)
    Logic (Mafia Goon)
    Marluxion (Mafia Goon)
    Me, An Intellectual (Town Vanilla)
    moms meatloaf (Town Scared Odd-Night Vigilante)
    Pilica (Town Vanilla)
    stormslyde (Mafia Ninja Even-Night Jailkeeper)
    Suspicious (Mafia Ninja Odd-Night Jailkeeper)
    Wisdom (Town Vanilla)
    N1: baudib1 subbed in for lol
    N1: Logic subbed in for Cobalt
    2: Wisdom subbed in for Spinach Nipples

    Graveyard Chat: Scared Vigilante 17er Graveyard Chat

    Post-game discussion starts now.
    So i was right on my reads on both at EOD1, already started to suspect Suspicious for being off. Later in DVC didnt read with attention and got $#@!ty reads.
    No one gave a $#@! at the reason of my death smh.

    Bear tnx 4 hosting an awesome setup.
    Meatloaf he had some insane reads.
    Gg both
    You weren't killed for your reads. You were killed to sow confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#3116)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#3100)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#3040)
    Game Over

    The Town has been overrun. The Mafia team wins.

    Mafia Members

    @Logic
    @Marluxion
    @stormslyde
    @Suspicious
    x2 Mafia Goon
    x1 Mafia Ninja Even-Night Jailkeeper
    x1 Mafia Ninja Odd-Night Jailkeeper
    x10 Town Vanilla
    x1 Town Follower
    x1 Town Scared Even-Night Vigilante
    x1 Town Scared Odd-Night Vigilante
    baudib1 (Town Vanilla)
    Chemist1422 (Town Vanilla)
    Chocolate (Town Vanilla)
    Colin (Town Vanilla)
    Contrainer (Town Follower)
    dota (Town Vanilla)
    Duk3star (Town Scared Even-Night Vigilante)
    Impeaceful (Town Vanilla)
    Kliff (Town Vanilla)
    Logic (Mafia Goon)
    Marluxion (Mafia Goon)
    Me, An Intellectual (Town Vanilla)
    moms meatloaf (Town Scared Odd-Night Vigilante)
    Pilica (Town Vanilla)
    stormslyde (Mafia Ninja Even-Night Jailkeeper)
    Suspicious (Mafia Ninja Odd-Night Jailkeeper)
    Wisdom (Town Vanilla)
    N1: baudib1 subbed in for lol
    N1: Logic subbed in for Cobalt
    2: Wisdom subbed in for Spinach Nipples

    Graveyard Chat: Scared Vigilante 17er Graveyard Chat

    Post-game discussion starts now.
    So i was right on my reads on both at EOD1, already started to suspect Suspicious for being off. Later in DVC didnt read with attention and got $#@!ty reads.
    No one gave a $#@! at the reason of my death smh.

    Bear tnx 4 hosting an awesome setup.
    Meatloaf he had some insane reads.
    Gg both
    You weren't killed for your reads. You were killed to sow confusion.

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    yeah i think the d4 baudib ML won us the game, not sure how things wouldve played if chem got lynched. im probably much more likelt to be lynched in f6

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    Overall, had a lot of fun. I appreciate the compliments and I definitely feel like I've redeemed myself from D6. Managing this and work was pretty stressful at times though, so I don't know when another game will be in the cards to me. Maybe I'll end up preferring light games after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#3105)
    Sorry that I'm not good enough to carry a game.

    I never would have won anyway. I town read Susp too strongly. Even if I stuck to my tr on Chem I would have lynched Cont over doubting Susp every day.

    Susp did some things that pinged me, but I wasn't sure his big amounts of analyses was in his scum range. Next time maybe I have a better chance.
    I think you did well this game, you were certainly better than all the other villagers besides MM and maybe Duk.

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