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    Confusion Bastard 9isher

    ok this was kind of inspired by zork's AkBkCkD

    1x Cop* (no n0)
    5x Townie

    3x Mafia

    so the gimmick: (none of it applies to cop)
    everyone doesn't know their alignment (revealed at flip)
    everyone is told "if you are scum it is with a and b". if scum, the actual partners; if town, two random ppl. this is hidden from flip
    everyone is parity cop, but can't check dead players
    each night, you can guess your alignment. if correct, you are correct. if not, you die.
    each night, n2 on, all unknown and scum players vote on the factional kill. rand if tie. however, it only works if there is an identified mafioso
    nightstart

    thoughts? questions? uncomfortable silence?
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    Depends on how serious you're thinking of having the game, really!!!

    Initial obvious issue is that not knowing your alignment removes the element of TMI from the game (despite knowing your possible teammates), which is arguably what makes mafia... mafia!!

    Another point is that people who prefer to play one alignment over another could easily just guess their preferred alignment on night 1: if they're correct then they get to play their favourite alignment, and if not then they can just die, and it won't be playing against their wincon due to not even knowing what their wincon is!!
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    I think a poll asking whether or not it's balanced is asking the wrong question


    Trying to balance a setup like this seems like some kind of oxymoron



    Is it fun?

    Sure maybe

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    The obvious town strategy is to parity cop your two known teammates, and if you find a disparity, you have discovered your own alignment and a scum. For 5 townies, with random assignment, you get a (6/9)^5=13% chance of NOT finding a scum on the first night. That seems quite townsided.

    I don't understand how the night voting is supposed to work, the way you describe it, it seems to work like another lynch. That makes the nightkill townsided.

    I'd embrace the chaos, make each triple a neighborhood, have the neighbourhood decide on a kill, and then make the nightkills flipless, the players just get secretly treestumped, i.e. they play on as normal, but their lynch vote secretly no longer counts. As a neighborhood, you know which nightkills you submitted, and therefore some neighborhoods can discover if vote results don't align with the vote count acording to their kills, and that makes these players find out that they are not the scum team. Also, lynches provide clues: if a player from your neighborhood flips town, that neighborhood is not scum; if a player flips scum whom you are not neighbored with, you must be town.

    I have no idea how to balance that. But I'd probably make it a 13er, with each player in two 3-player neighborhoods, and there is no neighborhood with exactly 2 mafia in it.
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    Doesn't everyone just out their pairs at start and you can find the three that line up

    Cop makes up two (if they have a n0 they can use that)

    Splits up game really easy really fast

    Wolves can lie but if you get one peek you can potentially win straight up

    Tho I'm gonna also say that like, you only have 2 mislynches this game which is kinda ehhh?

    Everyone prolly just plays pro town as well because the odds are higher
    :wiwe

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordQuas (#5)
    Doesn't everyone just out their pairs at start and you can find the three that line up
    super bad idea because if you are scum, that makes you lose
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    might as well roll it flipless for maximal lulziness
    Life is simply unfair... don't you think?
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    oh yeah
    amendment: people who don't know their alignment show up as mafia (EDIT: TO THE COP), and if they can be determined as a faction through pure logic, they will automatically be guessed
    Last edited by Contrainer; November 4th, 2019 at 08:06 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contrainer (#8)
    oh yeah
    amendment: people who don't know their alignment show up as mafia, and if they can be determined as a faction through pure logic, they will automatically be guessed
    Are you referring to the flip here? Because then you might as well play flipless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mendel (#6)
    Quote Originally Posted by LordQuas (#5)
    Doesn't everyone just out their pairs at start and you can find the three that line up
    super bad idea because if you are scum, that makes you lose
    yes but statistically you are town and auto win
    :wiwe

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    I’d in

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordQuas (#10)
    Quote Originally Posted by mendel (#6)
    Quote Originally Posted by LordQuas (#5)
    Doesn't everyone just out their pairs at start and you can find the three that line up
    super bad idea because if you are scum, that makes you lose
    yes but statistically you are town and auto win
    Well, then we make it a bastard game, tell everyone they're scum, and then revealing your paired peeps is gamethrowing and against the rules?

    I mean, faking a reveal would certainly be interesting, you'd either get public counterclaims, or you wouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordQuas (#10)
    Quote Originally Posted by mendel (#6)
    Quote Originally Posted by LordQuas (#5)
    Doesn't everyone just out their pairs at start and you can find the three that line up
    super bad idea because if you are scum, that makes you lose
    yes but statistically you are town and auto win
    If one of the people in your pair outs the same pair you have, you could fakeclaim a pair and know then that you’re the mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#13)
    Quote Originally Posted by LordQuas (#10)
    Quote Originally Posted by mendel (#6)
    Quote Originally Posted by LordQuas (#5)
    Doesn't everyone just out their pairs at start and you can find the three that line up
    super bad idea because if you are scum, that makes you lose
    yes but statistically you are town and auto win
    If one of the people in your pair outs the same pair you have, you could fakeclaim a pair and know then that you’re the mafia
    If that claim is true, then the host did a bad job. I'd rather think that the other player knows they're mafia and is faking their claim.
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