I targeted Percy because there were questions about his alignment.
He did not shoot anyone.
We're going to hold off on flooding the thread with the rest of Tater posts for now, so we can all reflect on this new information.
And to ensure the tumbleweeds rolling across the thread have no obstacles.
Thanks to being poor now we've had to cancel our evening activity for tonight, we we'll take a look at early D1 animal shenanigans when we get home, to see exactly who as involved and how it could relate to Tater's changing opinion on the subject.
It's possible she was still trying to cast doubt on anyone involved in animal shenanigans, but given relative time between these two posts, we think it more an attempt to cast further shade on us.
I was afrraid this would be a dead end because all scum gave up on deffending Potato.
Her Iso is kinda empty.
Nice is the reason of TR she received during the game, your friend Percyval was quite vocal about that, El...
Almost 9 pm, rl stuff to do, i'll pop in later maybe or in the morning.
My soul says Percy. My brain says to think twice.
I think this may be an idea.
Magicians Day 5 Votecount
Town must not lynch incorrectly today.
Votes are locked. Your first vote is final.
Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase) 7 Not voting Garden Gnome (2), MamaTort (3), Percy (0), catgode (2), El-ahrairah (30), Michelle (9), Soneji (0)
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End day at majority is enabled. With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to reach majority.
Day 5 ends at 9:00 PM EST on Wednesday, January 15th, 2020. There are 1579140060000 remaining.
@ me to find easier the post please
We'll continue with the Tater ISO tomorrow, before then we'd like everyone to check in and give thoughts plus any action results from last night.
Namely from Percy and Mamatort - and catgode. We think he said he was a 1-shot pawsoner but it seems lying about your role is the new "in" thing, so who knows, maybe he'll turn out to be a 1-shot pawsoner with two roleblocks, three investigates and a vig shot.
Also we want to hear Soneji's response to the question we pinged him earlier. We're gonna watch a couple of episodes of Bing Bang Theory then get an early night - we have to be at work early tomorrow for the Catmissioner's visit. =>.<=
Note to self: multitabling during busy week is a dumbass move.
Sorry I have not been attentive. I will do ISOs before EoD and give my reads.
I'm home now, gonna go do some ISOing.
I did not make it as far as I had hoped with ISOs tonight. I don't have much experience with the LyLo stage (one game's worth if I'm being honest). In the other games I played, I relied on voting patterns, my notes, and discrepancies between posts but the site mechanics were different (nonexistent). When I look for those here, I see varying degrees of SR in everyone, including myself. I am tryinig to use El's ISO of Potato as an example of how to do it. Then I question my reads because I feel like I'm focusing too much on the semantics and that seems stupid.
All that to say, I'm frustrated because I'm not managig to get any solid reads, just gut feelings. Right now, everyone reads some degree of both red and green to me and with El being the only one posting, it's not that easy to have interactions to help with finding another scum.
At this point, my TR/SR gradient is as follows, keeping in mind that, like I said, I can see both green and red in each player's posts and, honestly, the only reason GG is as high as she is on the list is because of the announcement, otherwise I'd put her somewhere around El or Michelle.
I am not confident enough in any of these reads to vote though. I'll keep trying to ISO, but if anyone has any tips or pointers, I'd love to hear em.
Sorry to come off so whiny, it's late and I am exhausted.
being tired is understandable no matter AI.
Our vote today is the most important of the game 'till now. Because we have again to lynch scum.
I am going to reread from page 1
Gypsum didn't send a prayer, at least not one I could read whatever that means
Wisdom I didn't receive any prayer for
Michelle I'll get to my MamaTort ISO, but my first priority is a full readthrough of the game to analyze all interactions around/regarding AP. So be patient, and hopefully you'll be able to see MamaTort as town since AP's flip 99% spews them town based off interactions.
Day's one first page except El's posts who will have a distinct Iso from me because of his role play if i have time.
Please forgive the wall.
Because a cat flavour is beneficial for any cat and Cat should first be pockety at this.
Once upon a time i did something similar and wolves wanted to lynch me as Lamist. But because I am usually a helpful person, this is a good look.
To notice a pockety attitude towards the furry creatures, but this is not necessarily wolfish per se.
Accusing GG of wolfing here is impossible.
Not Mama. So far is good.
There no connection between bein new player and the role play in this game's start.
Noticed the way of talking, Mama is the kind of player who knows how to put questions. I can explain now why I had the impression she is not noob.
Why she needs to explain her experience is limited?
Now i see that as a counter for the SR, and doesn't look anymore jokey. Like she dropped the play tone and became serious?
Mama's playstyle is soft and well worded but i don't see that consistency you killed me with.
Maybe i am just idiot.
Catgode was genuine and didn't shade anyone.
El is so like himself in this role play.
Gnome fluffed and put myc in the corner with not disciplined fellows.
As for my push on Percy, that you call it opportunistic while also saying I'm not trying to rock the boat is frankly laughable. Going after Percy is the definition of rocking the boat, and I've continued to rock it to this day despite the bad reception my read on him has got. Percy even unfreezes Batman's cold heart, yet you think me going aggressive on him is not rocking the boat? I don't believe that's a real opinion one can have. I also don't think your viewpoint on how I acted in the November d6 Light game here is real either, or that you just have a bad memory. Let me jog it for you :
I basically tunneled onto JC in part because I'm very paranoid about any perceived attempt at mislynching me, and in part onto you because you basically ignored me while scumreading me. I very much do pay attention to what people think of me, and I wouldn't have called myself carefree either. Maybe my d1 can be perceived that way, but only that day. The thing that is actually true is that despite what people think of me, it rarely affects what I do when I'm town, because I'm confident in my own abilities. That you don't think I've been that way this game either means you're extremely bad at reading me which is rather factual by this point, or you're scum trying to mislynch me. When MamaTort scumread me for my aggressive behavior, I told her to think what they will of me as a player, but that they should look over my games and think that my behavior is alignment indicative. When Percy launched personal attacks my way, making me out as some asshole bully my response was to keep things focused on the game first and foremost, and then on correcting his assumptions about me and firmly stating that I won't be changing how I am just because some snowflake believes that I shouldn't keep playing the game I've loved for over seven years now :
I want you to answer my question that I asked at the end of last day phase @El-ahrairah , about how from my perspective Percy is basically confirmed scum at the moment. If you're town then my TR on you is right, GG is almost mechanically cleared, we both strongly TR Mamatort. The only way Percy isn't 100% scum by PoE from my perspective is if we're both wrong on MamaTort, or GG's check was manipulated and they're scum, but you yourself believe that if GG is scum that GG/Percy is a world. For once, actually try to view things from my perspective as town, as you've failed to do time and time again in other games. You called me frustrating, but you've consistently made me want to pull my hair out in all the games we've been town together. Which may as well be as accurate a towntell that I have for you.
With that out of my system and my blood flowing, time to do my full reread. Ping me if you need me :
It is not the fact that you questioned Marv that pings us, but the way you went about it. It was less to probe Marv about his reads and get him to elaborate, and more to caticise his idea of there being a good look for 4 players on the 2 top wagons he wanted to see lynched. It sounds to us like you weren't trying to figure out his alignment, but just cause others to doubt the read.
We are not against people having fun. We are not against YOU having fun. But the way you immediately hopped into our world and started using our terminology felt like mirroring, to get us to try and trust you. It feels doubly weird that you invested into our world but then didn't try to interact with us that first day.
In pretty much every game we have played with Percy, he has been an easy target, and the recipient of suspicion during early game because of his lack of content and low involvement. As well, we have seen multiple times in previous games that Percy comes into EoD and ineffectively votes off-wagon (the crux of your argument against him on D2) - and one time it even allowed a rat to live, because Percy towncat read him and refused to vote him. By 'opportunistic' we mean that your accusation feels 'easy' and does not take into account that having odd reads and voting his own way even if it achieves nothing, is standard Percy play and not indicative of rattyness.
This is something we may never agree on. And aspects like this are highly subjective. Others often see us as we don't see ourselves, and everybody interprets things differently. For example, in a previous game, we said something that somebody took very personally (or faked that they took it personally... hard to tell because they actually were a wolf going for the ATE) while another player pointed out "it's obviously a joke".
We aren't sure what the point of this question is. IF you are a towncat then it's likely you DO see Percy as a rodent. If you're a rodent, then you need to rat-read the most mislynchable players, and Percy has to go in that list by virtue of the fact you've been PoSing him (Paw of Suspicion) since D1 and it's harder to make anybody else fit.
That said, we DO think that if Gnome's check was manipulated and they're scum (a potential which rose massively given Gnome's claims today) then Percy has strong potential to be her ratmate, given their behaviour towards each other. So we will keep this in mind today when we work towards eliminating some worlds. At the very least, if it's Gnome/Percy we don't see you as the last rat. It's either catgode or Michelle, or like you say, we've both been wrong on Mamatort.
Kept getting distracted checking my own theories and looking over VCA's zzz.
D1 reread with AP's flip in mind:
This overall sequence of posts between El and Potato are fairly safe, so I can't entirely discount distancing, but it doesn't read that way in a few ways, 1)AP's talk of being a harmless potato comes off as wanting to appear non-hostile, which they wouldn't need to do if talking to a scummate, alone not that compelling due to AP's general cutesy posting style but there's also 2) them calling El's vote mildly dubious for some slight shade and 3) El asking for reads from her, very light pressure but still unnecessary to have. Noted for further interactions on that last part.
The tag in for Percy here still pings me.
AP gives a pretty strong pureness TR on MamaTort, but then goes to call out their vote as scummy, then calls their response bad as well but refers to them as LHF town, then goes into talk of their own newbie days. I thought this could be scum frustration from AP when doing their d1 ISO, and I'm very confident I was right there. AP to mimic their town game has to TR MamaTort, but hates that Tort is getting away with things they've gotten mislynched for, so they shade them while still calling them town in the end. I also can't see MamaTort giving that kind of frustrated newbie answer to AP if they're scummates.
I went over this in my AP d1 ISO, but AP's EoD here is very wack especially in regards to GG and Michelle. They had never said spoken of/quoted GG up until at EoD where they put them alongside Marl for top lynch choice, then proceeds to leave their vote on GG despite strongly TR'ing Wisdom who was very close to catching the noose. They say Marl/GG as top choices, then feel the need to clarify why they're leaving Michelle out, even though Michelle hadn't been that head and shoulders above Marl in engagement. They also shade El's vote on Marl here, so that's a point in his favor.
Look good from this : El, MamaTort
Look bad : Michelle, GG
@El-ahrairah : You did an analysis on those stories AP was writing before, I'd appreciate it if you went over them with the knowledge on their role we have now and how players in it could be RB'd by them. Could be some clues by how players are talked of/whose excluded.
Picking up where we left of on the Tater ISO.
So relooking over GG was at two votes thanks to myc late, but they also clearly were baiting people and switched with three minutes left. It slightly gives more towncred to GG, and makes Percy's mention of GG stand out less.