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    Star Trekkin'

    Star Trekkin'

    Hosted By: fwogcarf
    Start Date: Monday, February 17th, 8am EST
    SOD/EOD: 8am EST/8pm EST
    Phase Lengths: 36/12 hours
    Mechanics: Majority lynch will be on starting D2. No Lynch is enabled. Votes will be auto-locked at LYLO.
    Night Chat: Mafia only.
    Out of Thread Communication: Not allowed.
    Posting Requirement: Minimum 5 posts a day, or you will be subbed out/modkilled. If majority lynch happens at least 12 hours before EOD, the minimum post requirement will be nullified.

    Setup
    Roles:
    1x Klingon Odd-Night Roleblocker
    2x Klingon Bekk (Mafia Goon)

    1x Odd-Night Cop (Town Cop)
    1x Odd-Night Doctor (Town Doctor)
    8x Enterprise Crewmates (Vanilla Town)


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    The Town Captain will be controlling the Doctor and a random Crewmate with his shot.

    1) DaisyCloud
    2) Grant
    3) Moth
    4) Eversince
    5) Percy
    6) jockmcplop
    7) Garden Gnome
    8) Mislynch Bait
    9) Mysteriousrobin
    10) N1NJ4W4RR10R
    11) icegonzam
    12) Timuru
    13) metsnfins


    1) Dragomir
    2) Hisoka
    3) MamaTort
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    Last edited by fwogcarf; Yesterday at 12:05 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jockmcplop (#1800)
    I can't get my head around fwog.
    He's so townie but so scummy at the same time.

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    also nice copy-paste

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    I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on... hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her. Marooned for all eternity, in the center of a dead planet... buried alive. Buried alive.

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    Even though I don't know what the setup is.

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    Is the setup showing now
    Quote Originally Posted by Jockmcplop (#1800)
    I can't get my head around fwog.
    He's so townie but so scummy at the same time.

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    So whom will those captains control?

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    There is only one doctor and two captains... I'm not sure I get this setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underking (#8)
    There is only one doctor and two captains... I'm not sure I get this setup.
    now that you mention it I'm going to change it up a bit so the captains are actually useful
    Quote Originally Posted by Jockmcplop (#1800)
    I can't get my head around fwog.
    He's so townie but so scummy at the same time.

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    The Mafia Captain will be controlling the Lieutenant (or Goon) and a random Crewmate
    So what's the purpose of doing this? There are no active abilities to control (except factional kill, but you don't need fancy roles to control it when you have scum chat).

    Same about controlling crewmate by town captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underking (#10)
    The Mafia Captain will be controlling the Lieutenant (or Goon) and a random Crewmate
    So what's the purpose of doing this? There are no active abilities to control (except factional kill, but you don't need fancy roles to control it when you have scum chat).

    Same about controlling crewmate by town captain.
    Instead of people knowing that doc visited them, there will be many more people visiting instead
    Quote Originally Posted by Jockmcplop (#1800)
    I can't get my head around fwog.
    He's so townie but so scummy at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwogcarf (#11)
    Quote Originally Posted by Underking (#10)
    The Mafia Captain will be controlling the Lieutenant (or Goon) and a random Crewmate
    So what's the purpose of doing this? There are no active abilities to control (except factional kill, but you don't need fancy roles to control it when you have scum chat).

    Same about controlling crewmate by town captain.
    Instead of people knowing that doc visited them, there will be many more people visiting instead
    Captains are passive self-watchers, right?
    Wouldn't town captain control both doc and VT to himself to learn two clears? Or at least control the VT to himself.
    What will mafia captain do to counter this, just control people to random N1 and hope it would also land on town captain to confuse him?
    And that would be the only purpose of their captaining?

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    this setup makes no sense. Perfect for a player like me to not have to worry about figuring stuff out.

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    although i propose a ban on Picard facepalm gifs.

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    May I please ‘in’ tentatively? I can’t see how I will be able to make this work but want to so very badly...
    I just wanted to take one final opportunity to remind people why that higher standard exists. I know it can be difficult to live up to, especially in the heat of the moment... I know it is difficult and we're all only human. But the reward is a better site, a better community, and games where you actually want to sign up to the next one when the current game is done. People you actually look forward to playing with. Maybe even making friends.
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    I didn't actually sign up at all, do you mind taking me off the list?
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    mfw you accidentally sell your soul for a modpeek
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underking (#12)
    Quote Originally Posted by fwogcarf (#11)
    Quote Originally Posted by Underking (#10)
    The Mafia Captain will be controlling the Lieutenant (or Goon) and a random Crewmate
    So what's the purpose of doing this? There are no active abilities to control (except factional kill, but you don't need fancy roles to control it when you have scum chat).

    Same about controlling crewmate by town captain.
    Instead of people knowing that doc visited them, there will be many more people visiting instead
    Captains are passive self-watchers, right?
    Wouldn't town captain control both doc and VT to himself to learn two clears? Or at least control the VT to himself.
    What will mafia captain do to counter this, just control people to random N1 and hope it would also land on town captain to confuse him?
    And that would be the only purpose of their captaining?
    I didn't think of that, does making it so Captain cannot target itself when using its shot a good option?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jockmcplop (#1800)
    I can't get my head around fwog.
    He's so townie but so scummy at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jockmcplop (#1800)
    I can't get my head around fwog.
    He's so townie but so scummy at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwogcarf (#19)
    Quote Originally Posted by Underking (#12)
    Quote Originally Posted by fwogcarf (#11)
    Quote Originally Posted by Underking (#10)
    So what's the purpose of doing this? There are no active abilities to control (except factional kill, but you don't need fancy roles to control it when you have scum chat).

    Same about controlling crewmate by town captain.
    Instead of people knowing that doc visited them, there will be many more people visiting instead
    Captains are passive self-watchers, right?
    Wouldn't town captain control both doc and VT to himself to learn two clears? Or at least control the VT to himself.
    What will mafia captain do to counter this, just control people to random N1 and hope it would also land on town captain to confuse him?
    And that would be the only purpose of their captaining?
    I didn't think of that, does making it so Captain cannot target itself when using its shot a good option?
    Still, why would mafia captain use their ability?
    Only things it can do:
    1) control scumbud to random person, does nothing.
    2) control vt to random person, vt can claim it and will be almost clear without cc. (Ok, not really clear since its possible to not control vt and one of scum to claim that instead? But its just wifom and it still can give town another way to read the situation).
    3) control vt to town captain, same as above, but town captain is now able to verify.
    4) control scum to town captain and give town captain information, possibly making thunderdome between that scum and one of vt, if you controlled that vt also. (which means you dont do that). Otherwise its wifomy information for town captain, but why would you want to give it to town in the first place when you can give none instead?

    Sounds to me that best option for mafia is just to never use captain ability?
    Town captain controlling vt is also useless then.
    And preventing doc from having any chance of healing you seems questionable.

    What was your intent when making this setup, what did you want to see happen?
    Without making this clear you cant fix it, it may be fundamentally just random mess (and I feel like it is tbh).

    The entire mechanic feels convoluted and pointless?

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    Ok, town captain controlling vt isnt pointless obviously, but still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underking (#21)
    Quote Originally Posted by fwogcarf (#19)
    Quote Originally Posted by Underking (#12)
    Quote Originally Posted by fwogcarf (#11)
    Instead of people knowing that doc visited them, there will be many more people visiting instead
    Captains are passive self-watchers, right?
    Wouldn't town captain control both doc and VT to himself to learn two clears? Or at least control the VT to himself.
    What will mafia captain do to counter this, just control people to random N1 and hope it would also land on town captain to confuse him?
    And that would be the only purpose of their captaining?
    I didn't think of that, does making it so Captain cannot target itself when using its shot a good option?
    Quote Originally Posted by Underking (#21)

    Still, why would mafia captain use their ability?
    Only things it can do:
    1) control scumbud to random person, does nothing.
    2) control vt to random person, vt can claim it and will be almost clear without cc. (Ok, not really clear since its possible to not control vt and one of scum to claim that instead? But its just wifom and it still can give town another way to read the situation).
    3) control vt to town captain, same as above, but town captain is now able to verify.
    4) control scum to town captain and give town captain information, possibly making thunderdome between that scum and one of vt, if you controlled that vt also. (which means you dont do that). Otherwise its wifomy information for town captain, but why would you want to give it to town in the first place when you can give none instead?

    Sounds to me that best option for mafia is just to never use captain ability?
    Town captain controlling vt is also useless then.
    And preventing doc from having any chance of healing you seems questionable.

    What was your intent when making this setup, what did you want to see happen?
    Without making this clear you cant fix it, it may be fundamentally just random mess (and I feel like it is tbh).

    The entire mechanic feels convoluted and pointless?
    I wasn't thinking about balance first when i first came up with this idea. I was mainly focused on lore, and because i was so damn excited that i could host my first game with confidence finally, that i started picking up roles that would fit to the lore of star trek more.

    I didn't know what Captain did at that time, and I realize now that having two captains in this setup is not very good, so I'll rework the mafia side of things when i wake up, because I need some sleep.

    I'm defintely keeping the town captain, but whether or not i should leave it on doctor I'm not sure yet
    Quote Originally Posted by Jockmcplop (#1800)
    I can't get my head around fwog.
    He's so townie but so scummy at the same time.

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    Rolelist has been updated to try and balance the game more.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jockmcplop (#1800)
    I can't get my head around fwog.
    He's so townie but so scummy at the same time.

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    I'm gonna have lots of fun with this one i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#18)
    @fwogcarf

    I didn't actually sign up at all, do you mind taking me off the list?
    @Chemist1422:
    I just wanted to take one final opportunity to remind people why that higher standard exists. I know it can be difficult to live up to, especially in the heat of the moment... I know it is difficult and we're all only human. But the reward is a better site, a better community, and games where you actually want to sign up to the next one when the current game is done. People you actually look forward to playing with. Maybe even making friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Percy (#26)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#18)
    @fwogcarf

    I didn't actually sign up at all, do you mind taking me off the list?
    @Chemist1422:


    If this needs help filling, I’ll probably join, but this setup confuses me a little tbh :P
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    The "Captain" role I know can dictate who is targeted by his subordinates.

    So if there is a town doc and a town captain controlling the doc, the town captain can order the doc to protect X player, and the doc can either agree (and protect), or disagree (and protect nobody).

    This is clearly not this kind of a captain, since controlling a VT makes no sense. Unless you can force a VT to vig? But then you control a 1-shot vig, don't you?

    Can you please clearly state what exactly captain does in this game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by catgode (#28)
    The "Captain" role I know can dictate who is targeted by his subordinates.

    So if there is a town doc and a town captain controlling the doc, the town captain can order the doc to protect X player, and the doc can either agree (and protect), or disagree (and protect nobody).

    This is clearly not this kind of a captain, since controlling a VT makes no sense. Unless you can force a VT to vig? But then you control a 1-shot vig, don't you?

    Can you please clearly state what exactly captain does in this game?
    Looks to me like you've got it right.
    Whether the captain controls a vig or controls a vt while giving them a vig shot is no difference at all, only in the wording anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catgode (#28)
    The "Captain" role I know can dictate who is targeted by his subordinates.

    So if there is a town doc and a town captain controlling the doc, the town captain can order the doc to protect X player, and the doc can either agree (and protect), or disagree (and protect nobody).

    This is clearly not this kind of a captain, since controlling a VT makes no sense. Unless you can force a VT to vig? But then you control a 1-shot vig, don't you?

    Can you please clearly state what exactly captain does in this game?
    I'm letting the captain control a random VT because I don't want someone to be confirmed doctor when they visit someone. I've made it so the captain is also notified of visits to them so he/she can't be exactly sure who is doc
    Quote Originally Posted by Jockmcplop (#1800)
    I can't get my head around fwog.
    He's so townie but so scummy at the same time.

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    So Captain controls both Doc and VT at once, and not separately?

    I don't think the captain would even care about who precisely is doc and who is VT if he gets names of two confirmed town. It's mafia who cares about such things.

    And not like any VT would be seriously counterclaiming doctor, so doctor will get confirmed by just claiming anyway if they need to.

    Controlling the VT seems like a roundabout way of getting a greenpeek. So instead of supposedly making doctor unconfirmable, you just added an extra lock clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underking (#31)
    So Captain controls both Doc and VT at once, and not separately?

    I don't think the captain would even care about who precisely is doc and who is VT if he gets names of two confirmed town. It's mafia who cares about such things.

    And not like any VT would be seriously counterclaiming doctor, so doctor will get confirmed by just claiming anyway if they need to.

    Controlling the VT seems like a roundabout way of getting a greenpeek. So instead of supposedly making doctor unconfirmable, you just added an extra lock clear.
    do you think it's more balanced if the captain only controls the doctor?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jockmcplop (#1800)
    I can't get my head around fwog.
    He's so townie but so scummy at the same time.

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    I'm not actually sure if there is a problem in terms of balance (3 townies being clear in 13er isn't anything special, and other than that, it's just less powerful setup than D6, I think?)

    I just doubted that interactions would work the way you intended for them to work.

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    I see the game hasn’t filled yet?

    Let me start by saying that I unequivocally love Star Trek (except anything related to Next Generation but that’s another story). Secondly, two of my very favourite MUers and good friends (@Moth and @Garden Gnome) - I love playing with these guys. Thirdly, @Grant is playing (a truly talented fellow whose ability I have come to respect enormously and whose presence I’ve come to enjoy). Lastly, newcomers @catgode and @Underking have signed up - players that I’ve played against only more recently but with whom I’d love to play again. Having said all that, I’m buried under an avalanche of work right now and unless someone here can convince me that roughly two hours in any (real life) day is sufficient to contribute constructively to this game, I regret that I’m going to have to withdraw from it. This is not a decision that has come easily or that I have taken lightly. I am sorry Should this game Be postponed (even by as little as a week) please let me know and I’ll reassess my work commitments then. Assuming that it goes ahead on time, my best wishes to you all for an intriguing game.
    I just wanted to take one final opportunity to remind people why that higher standard exists. I know it can be difficult to live up to, especially in the heat of the moment... I know it is difficult and we're all only human. But the reward is a better site, a better community, and games where you actually want to sign up to the next one when the current game is done. People you actually look forward to playing with. Maybe even making friends.
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    Postponed to the 18th of February

    If the game doesn't fill by then I don't know what I'll do
    Quote Originally Posted by Jockmcplop (#1800)
    I can't get my head around fwog.
    He's so townie but so scummy at the same time.

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    /out, sorry

    I decided that I want to lessen chance of multitabling a lot of games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percy (#35)
    I see the game hasn’t filled yet?

    Let me start by saying that I unequivocally love Star Trek (except anything related to Next Generation but that’s another story). Secondly, two of my very favourite MUers and good friends (@Moth and @Garden Gnome) - I love playing with these guys. Thirdly, @Grant is playing (a truly talented fellow whose ability I have come to respect enormously and whose presence I’ve come to enjoy). Lastly, newcomers @catgode and @Underking have signed up - players that I’ve played against only more recently but with whom I’d love to play again. Having said all that, I’m buried under an avalanche of work right now and unless someone here can convince me that roughly two hours in any (real life) day is sufficient to contribute constructively to this game, I regret that I’m going to have to withdraw from it. This is not a decision that has come easily or that I have taken lightly. I am sorry Should this game Be postponed (even by as little as a week) please let me know and I’ll reassess my work commitments then. Assuming that it goes ahead on time, my best wishes to you all for an intriguing game.

    Oh, no. This is sad. I saw your name as I scrolled to see if I recognized anyone. Well, hope to see you someday, somewhere in another game. RL first and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moth (#4)
    yes. /in
    of course.

    @Percy
    Cool, hi.? Yay, another person I recognize from long ago. I hope this game will fill up. It's looking like it will be fun.

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    /out, just realised I signed up for way too many games

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    First MU game, go easy on me
    Last edited by N1NJ4W4RR10R; February 10th, 2020 at 08:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwogcarf (#36)
    Postponed to the 18th of February

    If the game doesn't fill by then I don't know what I'll do
    OK, allow me to try again. Back IN please!
    I just wanted to take one final opportunity to remind people why that higher standard exists. I know it can be difficult to live up to, especially in the heat of the moment... I know it is difficult and we're all only human. But the reward is a better site, a better community, and games where you actually want to sign up to the next one when the current game is done. People you actually look forward to playing with. Maybe even making friends.
    - Askthepizzaguy

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaisyCloud (#39)
    Quote Originally Posted by Percy (#35)
    I see the game hasn’t filled yet?

    Let me start by saying that I unequivocally love Star Trek (except anything related to Next Generation but that’s another story). Secondly, two of my very favourite MUers and good friends (@Moth and @Garden Gnome) - I love playing with these guys. Thirdly, @Grant is playing (a truly talented fellow whose ability I have come to respect enormously and whose presence I’ve come to enjoy). Lastly, newcomers @catgode and @Underking have signed up - players that I’ve played against only more recently but with whom I’d love to play again. Having said all that, I’m buried under an avalanche of work right now and unless someone here can convince me that roughly two hours in any (real life) day is sufficient to contribute constructively to this game, I regret that I’m going to have to withdraw from it. This is not a decision that has come easily or that I have taken lightly. I am sorry Should this game Be postponed (even by as little as a week) please let me know and I’ll reassess my work commitments then. Assuming that it goes ahead on time, my best wishes to you all for an intriguing game.

    Oh, no. This is sad. I saw your name as I scrolled to see if I recognized anyone. Well, hope to see you someday, somewhere in another game. RL first and all that.
    @DaisyCloud: Yes, I recognise you! It’s been a while but no matter - it’s lovely to make your acquaintance once again!
    Last edited by Percy; February 10th, 2020 at 08:27 AM.
    I just wanted to take one final opportunity to remind people why that higher standard exists. I know it can be difficult to live up to, especially in the heat of the moment... I know it is difficult and we're all only human. But the reward is a better site, a better community, and games where you actually want to sign up to the next one when the current game is done. People you actually look forward to playing with. Maybe even making friends.
    - Askthepizzaguy

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    I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on... hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her. Marooned for all eternity, in the center of a dead planet... buried alive. Buried alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant (#14)
    this setup makes no sense. Perfect for a player like me to not have to worry about figuring stuff out.
    Make that two.

    /In please

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    new job scheduldled to start the same day.

    My participation will be very, very curtailled.

    Sorry wolfbros.

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    Two more peeps

    also it's fine grant
    Quote Originally Posted by Jockmcplop (#1800)
    I can't get my head around fwog.
    He's so townie but so scummy at the same time.

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    on second thought I'm not sure I'll be able to commit to this game

    sorry

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