gg all! very well played all around
thanks mods! nice game
gg all! very well played all around
thanks mods! nice game
Appreciate the hosting Lissa, bop, amrock
Village played amazing and almost pulled it out but line up was just too good
I have been modkilled for editing a typo so it is a topic close to my heart
(It's not something you do twice though )
So you are definitely right on that front.
I don't think balance was off at all, i just don't think it being close or not close is a valid metric
yes I am pedantic sometimes, sorry if my comment caused confusion!!
The one post where i suggested balance might be wrong
I later quoted and explained to myself why my own post was silly (classic me tbh)
So...that's a thing
Based on the Discord DVC, this got blown up way more than I intended :-/
So i will bow out and maybe we can re-visit hosting approaches another time
Thanks again for the great game everyone
I know I’ve voiced my opinion in Discord so I’ve chosen to hold my tongue here.
Thank you for hosting, Amrock, bopolis, and Lissa.
Awesome job, wolves. Incredibly deserving, you all played extremely well and we all played as a team start to finish. Absolutely lights out every phase, always with the goal to put our most important roles in a position to win. And they delivered! So proud and grateful to be a part of this win and to be able to share it with you all.
Lissa hostnotes I might add to later because I think I'm forgetting things still:
-The paths event (blue text) was mine. It was both very poorly designed and a thread clog. I apologize.
-58 of the fired shots in this game had a 9% chance to hit; one hit, and it was the firefly on Sunbae.
DVC calculated the chance of this happening at something like 3.3%. I'm not... entirely sure on the math there, but it's pretty unlikely.
this was the atk/def for all the shots that actually hit if anyone's curious:
By my calculation, 32 hits across the game would have been the expected amount of hits based on hitrates of fired shots, and there were 28 hits in practice. So the amount of hits was pretty close to expected on >9% hitrate shots.
-From all I saw this was a really high quality game from all sides; thanks everyone Particular shoutout to the impressive level of wolf control of the thread d2; it was pretty wild to read. There are many more things I could list off, but I'd probably forget or leave people out so I'll leave it at that for now
-The game was definitely balanced around/designed with an expectation of much more quanta coordination, and I do think we made an error in how we talked about that in the OPs. It should have been explicitly encouraged probably.
-While I helped fine tune the design of this game and bopolis balanced it, it was absolutely amrock's baby, and he did a fantastic job in that sphere as well as hostside. This game had so many $#@!ing moving parts. Literal hundreds. He did an amazing job. Bop balanced the game and also provided much-appreciated assistance during the game when needed.
-I think being able to discard your items could also have used more emphasis? I myself didn't realize it was a thing until lategame, and I reviewed the OPs; obviously that's an oversight on my part but I do think that happening probably speaks to it not being prominent enough. I'm honestly not sure if literally anyone realized it was a thing.
-I'm going to reveal the sheep now if anyone's curious.
1) What is the best element?
Death (7) - beeboy, Tsunami, Riki, Warren G. Harding, Hawt Sauce, yogsloth, SuperMonkeyFace,
Fire (5) - SilverKeith, Viggorous, theknightsofneeee, tchaz, dyachei
time (3) - ladd., Secondhand Revenant, AndrewGreve
entropy (2) - The Sun Fan, Montecoli
Ephemeral / Aether (1)
Chemist1422 / Air (1)
Bunnelby / Earth (1)
The Lukundo / Gravity (1)
Jan / light (1)
Underking / Water (1)
2) What is the coolest sounding name for a False God? (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/f...al-false-gods/)
Chaos Lord (8) - beeboy, Tsunami, Warren G. Harding, Hawt Sauce, SilverKeith, tchaz, ladd., Montecoli
Akebono (5) - yogsloth, SuperMonkeyFace, Viggorous, theknightsofneeee, Underking
Eternal Phoenix (2) - Chemist1422, Bunnelby
AndrewGreve / Dark Matter (1)
The Sun Fan / divine glory (1)
Jan / Ferox (1)
dyachei / Hecate (1)
Secondhand Revenant / Morte (1)
The Lukundo / Obliterator (1)
Ephemeral / Overdrive (1)
Riki / satan (1)
3) Which section of the Elements the game forum seems the coolest? (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php)
Card Ideas and Art (4) - The Sun Fan, beeboy, Hawt Sauce, Underking
Events and Competitions (3) - Tsunami, theknightsofneeee, Riki
Cards (2) - Montecoli, Viggorous
False Gods (2) - Secondhand Revenant, Ephemeral
Forum Games (2) - Chemist1422, yogsloth
PLAY ELEMENTS (2) - ladd.,dyachei
The Arena (2) - Warren G. Harding, SilverKeith
Bunnelby / Card art (1)
AndrewGreve / FAQ (1)
tchaz / Farming Studies and Statistics (1)
The Lukundo / Newbie Area (1)
Jan / Off-Topic Discussions (1)
SuperMonkeyFace / other topics (1)
4) Amrock first started playing this game in 2013. What element did he choose to start out with?
Darkness (5) - Tsunami, Ephemeral, ladd., AndrewGreve, SuperMonkeyFace
Death (4) - beeboy, yogsloth, Warren G. Harding, Bunnelby
Air (3) - Viggorous, dyachei, tchaz
Earth (2) - Hawt Sauce, SilverKeith
Fire (2) - theknightsofneeee, Jan
Time (2) - Underking, Montecoli
Chemist1422 / Entropy (1)
The Lukundo / Gravity (1)
Riki / life (1)
Secondhand Revenant / Light (1)
The Sun Fan / Water (1)
5) Assume that Lissa was asked the question, before they even knew about the game "how many elements are there." What do you think she would guess?
4 (13) - Tsunami, Ephemeral, ladd., beeboy, Viggorous, tchaz, SilverKeith, Jan, Montecoli, The Lukundo, Riki, Secondhand Revenant, The Sun Fan
8 (3) - theknightsofneeee, Underking, Chemist1422
5 (2) - AndrewGreve, Warren G. Harding
yogsloth / 7
Hawt Sauce / 6
SuperMonkeyFace / 3.5
Bunnelby / Fire (1)
dyachei / "what kind of elements?" (1)
6) Which elements card has the coolest art? (https://elementsthegame.fandom.com/wiki/Card_List)
Quantum Pillar (8) - theknightsofneeee, SuperMonkeyFace, Viggorous, SilverKeith, Jan, Riki, The Sun Fan, AndrewGreve
Light (2) - Tsunami, beeboy
Schrodinger's Cat (2) - Chemist1422, beeboy
dyachei / Amethyst Dragon (1)
Hawt Sauce / Amethyst Pillar (1)
Montecoli / Chaos Seed (1)
Secondhand Revenant / Entropy (1)
The Lukundo / Gravity (1)
Warren G. Harding / Lycanthrope (1)
ladd. / Malignant cell (1)
tchaz / MAxwell's Demon (1)
Ephemeral / Obsidian Tower (1)
Underking / Relic (1)
yogsloth / Werewolf (1)
7) How many hours a day did Amrock play Elements when he first started out? (Rounded up)
6 (4) - AndrewGreve, beeboy, Chemist1422, Underking
8 (4) - Jan, Tsunami, Montecoli, yogsloth, SilverKeith
4 (3) - The Sun Fan, Warren G. Harding, dyachei
5 (3) - Secondhand Revenant, ladd.
10 (3) - Viggorous, Bunnelby, Ephemeral
3 (2) - theknightsofneeee, Riki
7 (2) - Hawt Sauce, tchaz
SuperMonkeyFace / 15 (1)
The Lukundo / 17 (1)
8) Which off topic forum discussion is likely to produce the most anger? (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/o...c-discussions/)
Politics (17) - AndrewGreve, beeboy, Underking, Jan, Tsunami, Montecoli, SilverKeith, The Sun Fan, Warren G. Harding, Secondhand Revenant, ladd., Viggorous, Bunnelby, Ephemeral, theknightsofneeee, Riki, SuperMonkeyFace,
Religion (3) - Chemist1422, dyachei, tchaz
Forum Games (2) - yogsloth, Hawt Sauce
The Lukundo / Battle (1)
9) Which is the coolest: Mono, Duo, Triple/Quartet, or Rainbow decks? (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/p...ck-ideas-here/)
Rainbow (19) - AndrewGreve, beeboy, Jan, Tsunami, Montecoli, SilverKeith, The Sun Fan, Warren G. Harding, Secondhand Revenant, ladd., Viggorous, Bunnelby, Ephemeral, theknightsofneeee, Riki, Chemist1422, tchaz, yogsloth, Hawt Sauce,
Mono (3) - SuperMonkeyFace, dyachei, The Lukundo
Underking / Duo (1)
10) Would you want to live in the Elements World? (Yes/No)
No (15) - AndrewGreve, beeboy, Jan, Montecoli, SilverKeith, The Sun Fan, Warren G. Harding, Secondhand Revenant, Bunnelby, theknightsofneeee, yogsloth, Hawt Sauce, dyachei, The Lukundo, Underking
Yes (8) - Tsunami, ladd., Viggorous, Ephemeral, Riki, Chemist1422, tchaz, SuperMonkeyFace
beeboy 93 SilverKeith 92 Tsunami 86 Montecoli 83 The Sun Fan 83 Viggorous 83 Jan 81 theknightsofneeee 79 ladd. 79 Riki 79 Warren G. Harding 78 AndrewGreve 75 Secondhand Revenant 75 Ephemeral 70 Bunnelby 65 tchaz 63 Hawt Sauce 61 yogsloth 60 SuperMonkeyFace 56 Underking 53 Chemist1422 45 The Lukundo 38 dyachei 37
The intent was definitely for people with low attack who were targeting people with higher attack to be able to, well, hit. Like, at all. Not often, but sometimes. The base hitrate at 9% is .6*the standard hitrate; it's low, but it's not THAT kind of low.
In practice the rand was very extreme in that sphere and it didn't really work out that way. There was actually, I believe, only four rands in the whole game that would have hit on a 9% (read: randed 1-9 out of 1-100).
OK, I realize it's a few days later, but I finally got to a computer, so just wanted to expound on a couple of things and put some thoughts down. First - players:
@Arapocalypse - Sorry I had to do you dirty like that and subject you to such a stressful Day phase. I thought you handled that Day pretty amazingly. Please don't hold it against me, lol. Keep bringin' the hype!
@Beck - A true pleasure as always. You were wolf team captain as far as I was concerned. The entire sequence with you shooting at bun and outing yourself had me laughing so hard I was literally in tears. Phenomenal.
@Chemist1422 @Limestone @Panther - Thanks for the carry gentlemen. You guys had me worried with sagging WIM towards the end there, but you all did enough to ensure the victory. Chemist in particular had a great end game. You guys also did an amazing job planning out those last two nights' worth of actions. Flawless.
@GeneralHandkerchief - I fully recognize this was my one and only chance to snow you so thoroughly. I'l savor it, because I know it's not likely to come around again! For what it's worth, the anxiety and pro-Town motivation to shoot the NPC was so easy to fake because it was still a very real leftover from The Dragger in Beck's mash. I like to think that if I were Town in that spot, I would actually be doing the exact same thing... so even though in this game I happened to know I was trying to pull your high-% chance away from a potential live wolf, even if I were Town I probably would have shot that NPC myself.
@Quick_Ben - You're still the best yog!wolf reader in the game. One day I'll figure out how to fool you.
To the rest of my wolfbros, it was a blast, we had a great team, we functioned really well. Lots of other Townies out there had amazing reads too and we had our work cut out for us trying to balance shooting the Townies that were right without making it too obvious that's why we were shooting them!
Astonishingly, for a 60 player game, I didn't have any real issues with anybody. Everybody was cool, nobody was a $#@!, and the overall tone and vibe of the whole game was super fun.
I want to thank the mods again - Amrock, Bop, Lissa. Insanely complicated and difficult to balance, and for once, I don't have any complaints. (Maybe that just means it was wolf-sided!) A handful of mistakes were made, but I don't think any of them were crippling and everything was handled appropriately. I can't imagine how difficult it had to be to run this thing.
Great job to everyone and thanks again.
I saw a few thoughts in DVC on my suicide, so I'd like to explain a little bit about why I did it.
I'm aware that if I had simply voted Ara and succesfully lynched her Day 4, I could have been lynched Day 5 and it would have been the same gamestate... in a way. However, the purpose behind the play wasn't to get Ara lynched Day 5... it was to create chaos Day 6.
I posted my response to Andrew's referencing my role in Amrock's last mash (and really, that was too good to pass up anyway) with 14 minutes to go, just to let Town know I was there and reading, and not participating. At that time, it was no certain thing that Ara would be lynched, and with as much heat as there was on me, putting a vote down on her might have swung things back to me. By making my self-vote with three minutes to play, it was just enough time to create a little panic but not enough time to really do anything about it to change the outcome.
The inevitable conclusion once I flipped goon would be that I suicided to protect wolf KP. I knew that no matter what Ara did (and she actually played that next day fabulously, working not only to try and clear herself, but to genuinely scum hunt) Town would be forced to follow the obvious path and lynch her. With 3 x wolf KP there at end game, Town just wouldn't be able to afford to try and level themselves. By suiciding, wolf team was able to control (or at least much more strongly influence) the Day 5 narrative, and of course, keep the actual wolf KP alive.
The real payoff to the play, however, was always to turn the next day into a $#@!show. Once Ara flipped Town, there would inevitably be blowback against whichever Townies were on her wagon, and given the intense heat on all three remaining wolves even back when I was alive, it would be just enough of a narrative shift to allow the wolves to continue keeping Limestone alive. I knew my wolfbros would figure out that if Chemist suicided next, we'd just about have it locked down. Massive credit to those three guys that they actually managed to use that chaos to mis-lynch and end the game cleanly.
I'm still interested to know if you are going to release wolf-chat. Obviously, you have complete prerogative not to if you don't want to, and lessons could be learnt - possibly - on individual players. But, on the other hand, it seems like an exemplar of how to wolf-team ... which would surely be for the greater good in the long run.
Wolfchat has been released
@The Sun Fan
@Warren G. Harding
Last edited by Amrock; May 25th, 2020 at 10:05 PM.
Thanks for the kind words, yog. Always a pleasure to play games with you, too.
I love your post about your thoughts and reasoning behind your self-vote. I was screaming with joy in DVC because of how awesome and selfless it was. Apoc mentioned it as well, but what was so impressive is how willing everyone was to lay down their life to further our wincon. LKJ’s shooting tchaz is another perfect example of this. You don’t often see such team-play in games anymore, with such purpose and ingenuity, especially in games of this size with so much chaos.
Looking forward to our next game for sure.
What won the oracles helper voting and can you show the votecount?
Also, did the freeze action work on GH despite our failed attempt at blocking his ITA shot? In other words, did I completely $#@! up by not using that freeze-vig thing silently on him that day?
3 or more people will post exactly 69 times in the game thread day 1
-FALSE, dunno who sent it, 0 votes
Someone posts in bold purple that they wish for something
-I did not check whether this was true as it couldn't win anyway (more votes than known true predictions) and "wish" was too common to search, dunno who sent it, 8 votes
No one will have less than 10 posts
-FALSE (so close yet so far rip), dunno who sent it, 1 vote
Montecore will not say the words "conference call" "lift" "virgin" "patriarchy" "problematic" or "gin up" at all the rest of the day without someone explicitly asking him to say one of those words/phrases
-TRUE, dunno who sent it, 3 votes (this lost a tie rand)
There will be a wagon of at least three players on The Lukundo before EoD
-FALSE, dunno who sent it, 2 votes
The final wagon will have at least 17 votes
-FALSE, dunno who sent it, 3 votes
There will not be any further Boggle events
-TRUE, Fuchs, 3 votes (Mantichora, TripleHaven, Mill Crab)
Mantichora will use the yougotme.gif before eod
-FALSE, dunno who sent it, 1 vote
There will be 5 or more 0-posters at EoD today
-FALSE, dunno who sent it, 0 votes
I can fish up who sent the rest but it wasn't recorded on the sheet.
GH was unroleblockable as well as having untamperable ITAs due to holding Titan, but the action didn't fail as a whole. I believe he'd still have been considered frozen.
Last edited by Lissa; May 25th, 2020 at 11:37 PM.
I know I mentioned it in DVC but I preferred my initial answer instead of the fixed one (wish) lol
Also what was going on with that adventure event?