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    NEW FEATURE: Player Analysis Tool

    Have you ever wondered if you have any tells, or just how much your metrics change over the course of the game? Wonder no more.

    Let the Graphs Begin!

    You must have at least one game as both town and mafia for each game type to view their statistics.

    Please read the entire rules before continuing.

    UPDATE: You can now view your stats even if you only have games as one alignment. They won't be very revealing, but you can see your post trends per day, and so on.
    Last edited by Makaze; June 30th, 2020 at 11:34 PM.
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    This is really cool!

    Slight suggestion: The word choice portion is heavily skewed towards player names which is more of a product of what role you were when they played with you than any differences in word choices depending on your role. Is there a way to remove usernames from that list?

    Awesome, awesome job. I'm a sucker for GRAPHS and CHARTZ

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    What is the point of this if I can't use any of it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#233)
    So here's the deal, Champ.

    1. Phighter's $#@!ing with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#2)
    This is really cool!

    Slight suggestion: The word choice portion is heavily skewed towards player names which is more of a product of what role you were when they played with you than any differences in word choices depending on your role. Is there a way to remove usernames from that list?

    Awesome, awesome job. I'm a sucker for GRAPHS and CHARTZ
    Yes. Look below the word choice graph.

    Note this will not affect the word variance in the first graph, but will affect the word choice chart.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#3)
    What is the point of this if I can't use any of it?
    So that you can get better at recognizing your tells.
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    Does "normal" include mashes?

    I'm not sure if this is representative of 60 games or like 5 for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#6)
    Does "normal" include mashes?

    I'm not sure if this is representative of 60 games or like 5 for me.
    Yes.
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    What is "Vote Count Analysis" chart showing?

    I don't know what the Y axis represents (?)

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    Also there seems to be some data issues.

    Look at my Day 7 vote data. One chart says 0 but the other has a value that is impossible if the 0 is accurate

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    Looks like I'm completely balanced and the best player of all time, good to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#8)
    What is "Vote Count Analysis" chart showing?

    I don't know what the Y axis represents (?)
    It's showing the average number of votes placed on that Day. All votes placed on that Day / number of games you voted that Day.

    This would be more accurate if it accounted for days where you didn't vote... But since it's looping through votes placed, there isn't really a good way to find out the negatives. Until I think of one.

    And I think I just did. Check it again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#9)
    Also there seems to be some data issues.

    Look at my Day 7 vote data. One chart says 0 but the other has a value that is impossible if the 0 is accurate
    Should be working correctly now (accounting for phases with no votes for the filter).
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    how does 'Word Choice Analysis' work? is there any order or is it just the order you said them

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    Definitely a fun tool - well made, Makaze!
    "I've voted off more than 9,000 fellow townies in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to vote last in F3 and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." ~ NAC Jordan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitewater Hysteria (#13)
    how does 'Word Choice Analysis' work? is there any order or is it just the order you said them
    I just upgraded the ordering system. It now orders by how extreme the difference is between alignments, and then by how many times you used it total.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggles1993 (#11)
    Looks like I'm completely balanced and the best player of all time, good to know.
    i dont believe you

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    I notice the values for Word Variance are just big numbers...whereas postcount seems to be getting averaged (smaller numbers).

    How is it calculated? Is it total number of unique words? Should it be average unique words per game instead?
    Last edited by Apoc; June 30th, 2020 at 12:23 PM.

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    i have never said the word lukundo as mafia

    this is gonna be the easiest clear of my life next game i rand wolf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#18)
    i have never said the word lukundo as mafia

    this is gonna be the easiest clear of my life next game i rand wolf
    Let me raise the font point of those rules again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lute (#10)
    Evenly split among a range of 98-100. I'm surprised.
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    Oh, this is really cool. Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#17)
    I notice the values for Word Variance are just big numbers...whereas postcount seems to be getting averaged (smaller numbers).

    How is it calculated? Is it total number of unique words? Should it be average unique words per game instead?
    ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#17)
    I notice the values for Word Variance are just big numbers...whereas postcount seems to be getting averaged (smaller numbers).

    How is it calculated? Is it total number of unique words? Should it be average unique words per game instead?
    Sorry, I added axis labels for any that weren't obvious, except for this one.

    Word Variance is calculated using the following formula:
    PHP Code:
    abs(
         (
    $words['town'][$word] / $wordcounts['town']['total']) / (($words['town'][$word] / $wordcounts['town']['total']) + ($words['mafia'][$word] / $wordcounts['mafia']['total']))
         -
        (
    $words['mafia'][$word] / $wordcounts['mafia']['total']) / (($words['town'][$word] / $wordcounts['town']['total']) + ($words['mafia'][$word] / $wordcounts['mafia']['total']))

    In laymens terms/short,

    I'm taking all uses of a word as an alignment divided by uses of all words for that alignment, and then dividing that value by the sum of those values as both alignments, to arrive at the fundamental difference between how often those words get used compared to the each other.
    Last edited by Makaze; June 30th, 2020 at 06:39 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#24)
    I'm taking all uses of a word as an alignment divided by uses of all words for that alignment, and then dividing that value by the sum of those values as both alignments, to arrive at the fundamental difference between how often those words get used compared to the each other.
    Idgi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#26)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#24)
    I'm taking all uses of a word as an alignment divided by uses of all words for that alignment, and then dividing that value by the sum of those values as both alignments, to arrive at the fundamental difference between how often those words get used compared to the each other.
    Idgi
    We're talking about the first chart

    So what is "a word" in this formula

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    Shouldn't it be something like

    (Number of unique words as town / number of games as town)
    /
    (Number of unique words as town / number of games as town) + (Number of unique words as scum / number of games as scum)



    Right now the chart jist appears to be showing "total number of unique words" or something...without regard for how many games? I dunno it's hard to tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#27)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#26)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#24)
    I'm taking all uses of a word as an alignment divided by uses of all words for that alignment, and then dividing that value by the sum of those values as both alignments, to arrive at the fundamental difference between how often those words get used compared to the each other.
    Idgi
    We're talking about the first chart

    So what is "a word" in this formula
    "A word" is anything that matches these characters: [A-Za-z0-9_']+. Give or take.

    The variance isn't just unique words. That would skew very heavily towards player names. It kind of already does -- I had previously made it completely ignore unique words. It's graded on a curve instead.
    Last edited by Makaze; June 30th, 2020 at 11:33 PM.
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    UPDATE: You can now view your stats even if you only have games as one alignment. They won't be very revealing, but you can see your post trends per day, and so on.
    Last edited by Makaze; July 1st, 2020 at 12:27 AM.
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    UPDATE: You can now hide all unique words using a checkbox.
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    I'm trying to find a particular word but it's not showing up, and I've used it before.

    Why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#32)
    I'm trying to find a particular word but it's not showing up, and I've used it before.

    Why is that?
    What alignment and game type?

    Do you have the ignore unique words setting turned on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#29)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#27)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#26)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#24)
    I'm taking all uses of a word as an alignment divided by uses of all words for that alignment, and then dividing that value by the sum of those values as both alignments, to arrive at the fundamental difference between how often those words get used compared to the each other.
    Idgi
    We're talking about the first chart

    So what is "a word" in this formula
    "A word" is anything that matches these characters: [A-Za-z0-9_']+. Give or take.

    The variance isn't just unique words. That would skew very heavily towards player names. It kind of already does -- I had previously made it completely ignore unique words. It's graded on a curve instead.
    ok, I guess what I am trying to figure out


    is if the word variance numbers are averaged per game?


    Like, "unique words per game" seems like a useful statistic.

    "Total unique words as Town (across all games)" is probably not that useful?
    because we play 3x more games as town, so naturally we will use more words by default.


    Right now my word variance graph values are in the 10s of thousands so it seems likely it's not being averaged?
    Last edited by Apoc; July 1st, 2020 at 02:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#33)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#32)
    I'm trying to find a particular word but it's not showing up, and I've used it before.

    Why is that?
    What alignment and game type?

    Do you have the ignore unique words setting turned on?
    I did it for both alignments and only one alignment in Light games.
    I don't have the ignore unique words setting turned on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#34)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#29)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#27)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#26)
    Idgi
    We're talking about the first chart

    So what is "a word" in this formula
    "A word" is anything that matches these characters: [A-Za-z0-9_']+. Give or take.

    The variance isn't just unique words. That would skew very heavily towards player names. It kind of already does -- I had previously made it completely ignore unique words. It's graded on a curve instead.
    ok, I guess what I am trying to figure out


    is if the word variance numbers are averaged per game?


    Like, "unique words per game" seems like a useful statistic.

    "Total unique words as Town (across all games)" is probably not that useful?
    because we play 3x more games as town, so naturally we will use more words by default.


    Right now my word variance graph values are in the 10s of thousands so it seems likely it's not being averaged?
    The variance is averaged. Words with the same variance are then sorted by uses.

    I can probably find words that are unique to one game fairly easily, but how would you propose using this data?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#35)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#33)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#32)
    I'm trying to find a particular word but it's not showing up, and I've used it before.

    Why is that?
    What alignment and game type?

    Do you have the ignore unique words setting turned on?
    I did it for both alignments and only one alignment in Light games.
    I don't have the ignore unique words setting turned on.
    Have you used the word in a light game?

    Is it possible you used it in a different game type?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#37)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#35)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#33)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#32)
    I'm trying to find a particular word but it's not showing up, and I've used it before.

    Why is that?
    What alignment and game type?

    Do you have the ignore unique words setting turned on?
    I did it for both alignments and only one alignment in Light games.
    I don't have the ignore unique words setting turned on.
    Have you used the word in a light game?

    Is it possible you used it in a different game type?
    I'm 100% certain I've used it in a light game.

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    Love it!! Thank you very much Makaze. : )
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    evoente voet evaa

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    τη καλλίστη Makaze's Avatar Administrator
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#38)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#37)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#33)
    What alignment and game type?

    Do you have the ignore unique words setting turned on?
    I did it for both alignments and only one alignment in Light games.
    I don't have the ignore unique words setting turned on.
    Have you used the word in a light game?

    Is it possible you used it in a different game type?
    I'm 100% certain I've used it in a light game.
    PM me the word.
    I hold you in the highest regard, my friends.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#40)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#38)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#37)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#35)
    I did it for both alignments and only one alignment in Light games.
    I don't have the ignore unique words setting turned on.
    Have you used the word in a light game?

    Is it possible you used it in a different game type?
    I'm 100% certain I've used it in a light game.
    PM me the word.
    dont do it bro your data is precious

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    super secret espionage going down in this here chat
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    me when looking at the graphs tbh

    sometimes i curse my single-mindedness tbh
    Reeee-ing into the void and flailing around like a magikarp since 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#40)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#38)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#37)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#35)
    I did it for both alignments and only one alignment in Light games.
    I don't have the ignore unique words setting turned on.
    Have you used the word in a light game?

    Is it possible you used it in a different game type?
    I'm 100% certain I've used it in a light game.
    PM me the word.
    Problem resolved.
    I hold you in the highest regard, my friends.


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    so many of the games i won/did well in aren't in player data
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    HAVEN AND HEAVEN ARE TWO DIFFERENT WORDS PEOPLE !!!
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    whitewater hysteria? more like whiteice hysteria, cause they're frozen

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