72/24 is the optimal day/night cycle. 48/24 or 60/12 are also acceptable. All others suck.
Godfather is the most hopelessly broken of the commonly used roles.
72/24 is the optimal day/night cycle. 48/24 or 60/12 are also acceptable. All others suck.
Godfather is the most hopelessly broken of the commonly used roles.
13/11 day/nights in Mashes are terrible and have a WAY bigger impact on wolves than hosts think.
Especially euro wolves who basically don't get to contribute to NAs.
I'd like to see some 11/13 phases but i assume Ozzies would complain
Mashes are stupid and nobody actually knows how to play them
Being mafia is SIGNIFICANTLY more fun than being town
I am always right
not unpopular to anyone who played classroom!
fwog nailed me and the other deepest wolf in the game on D1 but nobody listened
fwog is always right #neverforget
Having accurate reads is only like 25% of what it takes to be a good town player.
i'll add to that
scumhunting isn't the true goal of a townie, the two things a town should do is make themselves clear town and find other towns
people should not disguise blatantly uncontroversial opinions as unpopular ones
deliberately lying or manipulating other players as town to get yourself townread (eg. by abusing meta, "pocketing" people with actions you know will appeal to them, using appeals to emotion) is a good play if successful. both town and scum should seek to avoid being heavily scumread because it is negative to their win condition no matter what; it is therefore absurd to arbitrarily decide that a set of tools like lying or manipulation can only be used by mafia when it serves the same purpose
flash wagons (changing the target of the day's execute at the last minute, typically in an hour or under before EOD) are 99% of the time anti-town and should never be engaged in unless you have a red check claimed or some other exceptional circumstance (maybe someone slipped really badly). outside of those circumstances, they should be avoided like the plague because they are much more likely to hit town, deny you crucial information and essentially waste an entire day phase
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Many errant reads are driven by players expecting mind reading
Null reads are pointless.
Just digged my old account just to post here, lol.
- Role Madness is not intrinsically imbalanced or uncompetitive. It's much harder to design to be balanced, sure, but if you do it, it can be just as competitive as mountainous.
- Catching up is by far the least fun thing about mafia and I will probably not return to a community after my first game if the post volume is too high or if players make a big deal about my post volume being lower than theirs. Which probably happened because I spent most of my playing time catching up to their stuff instead of posting mine.
- As a cororally, judging a player's alignment by the number of hours passed since their last post is disgusting, and usually NAI.
- It is okay to ban role claiming or character claiming to be able to host the setup you want to host. It is also okay to not ban it. Host the setup you want, and write the rules that fit with it the best. Most players will accept it either way, and the ones who won't can go play something else.
- Some players get lynched more than others and that is okay. But lynching someone just because "it's a meme" is terrible.
- "Banish" is a terrible replacement for "lynch" because it does not invoke the killing of the player. "Yeet" is silly but might work. Not sure about other options.
- Day phases lasting 24 hours or more means players should not be expected to be present at every EoD, as the game is not played in real time. As a corollary, CFDs are stupid and borderline anti-social, though they do seem to work a lot.
- NKA can work but most of the time it's pointless WIFOM.
- It's okay not to have a read of everyone, at any point of the game. It's also okay to go back to null on people you once read as town/scum.
Last edited by Dragon D. Luffy; July 18th, 2020 at 09:03 PM.
Mafia is a toxic game and ruins people's lives
most popular opinion yet. :X
There is absolutely nothing wrong with chopping a player who is not present to defend themself. Indeed, someone treating that as a moral failing is being considerably more unfair.
these two statements can go together though
something like drugs could be described as both "fun" and "toxic and ruining people's lives"
making the entire day revolved around eod is dumb
Oh well guess I was proven wrong
Not again
CFDs benefit mafia more then town and a villager who doesn't realize this is delusional. Maybe you had a couple times that it works but majority of the time you are yeeting a villager. it's lazy. it's not scum hunting.
the fact that you could potentially be eliminating a villager who has a pr is crazy.
though yeah you can use the results and stuff to scum hunt too ... even if you did yeet out a villager.
Also a no lynch day 1 is okay. it isn't always scummy.
wolves/mafia is the true town. think someone might have already said that.
Also third party and lone wolf is the hardest alignment and anyone who rands this and wins is the real goat. I may or may not have a bias on third party roles though.
Godfathers are good for play design as it forces peeked villagers to play as though they're not confirmed until the godfather flips. This is also why tracker > cop cause no visits can still be a vanilla mafia not making a night action.
Cops are one of my least favorite roles. They take away from actual scumhunting and townhunting by being able to completely clear players.
cfds are fine yall cray
playing to the status quo and not wanting to ever rock the boat is just as likely to cause a town loss as trying to make everything full chaos
Last edited by LordQuas; July 21st, 2020 at 01:07 PM.
:wiwe
that's a false dilemma
has this become the cfd debate thread
The hang should be a natural conclusion of the entire day's discussion
Third party roles are way more fun to play against than to play as.
(They are pretty fun to design too)
What is the point of a CFD anyway? The town has already openly stated their reads prior to EOD. Anyone who can read and count can judge the town's intentions that day. Good scum can appraise the town's intentions for following days as well.
A flash wagon/cfd can be a good thing in the right situation. If it is the product of a group of civilians who are remaining vigilant right up until the last moment of the day, and those civilians have a consensus among them that none of the existing wagons are good, then suddenly jumping in a different direction is a good thing.
If, on the other hand, somebody comes along and says “Hey let’s all pile onto Thingyman!” for no particular reason when there is positive momentum toward another wagon, then that person is being silly.
I’ve seen more people complain about unsuccessful flash wagons than I have seen unsuccessful flash wagons.
according to sheep's poll disliking cfds is indeed the more unpopular take so cfd stans get out
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Last edited by Logic; July 30th, 2020 at 12:10 AM.
Branching off of this.
Godfather as a role shouldnt be transfered over to another living mafia when they die ever in any setup. Its dumb and pretty game breaking.
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Considering what some have said in this topic, this might be an unpopular opinion.
Sometimes it isn't on you to be found townie by other town. Most of the times when you are the subject of an inescapable tunnel, it isn't your fault and it is impossible for you to clear yourself. The fault does not at this point lie at the tunnelled player, but the tunneler who refuses to see reason.
Imo, if you consistently death tunnel a town player through the whole game, it does not matter whatsoever how townie you yourself look like for the rest of the players nor does your interactions with everyone else make you a good (team) player. Your selfish agenda is ruining the game for one person and you are most likely serving on silver plate a misyeet (if the subject gives up and let's themselves be misyeeted (and this might make yourself misyeeted the next day, depending on the town)) or a town loss in lylo.
"Be more townie" is a bizarre demand in certain situations because what that means differ and it is based on an abstract metric. If you cannot follow those thread norms, you will be scum read. If you are scum and follow those norms, you will be town read. This is why I find it easier to scum than town because as scum I know who town is and thus can accommodate them without fear (and that is my focus) but as town I am busy with solving the game.
There is responsibility resting on the scum read town and misreads happen. But one cannot give the death tunneler a free pass. Being scum read does not mean that you are playing badly.
lol it is pretty obvious that I am
defending my own town game here but I do believe this regardless of person in question. And I also wanted to rant a little, given this is my town experience in 9 out of 10 town games
Last edited by Boquise; July 22nd, 2020 at 07:30 AM.
What the community thinks of me:
"Boq just has the "I think he may pocket me but somehow I'm totally okay with it" charisma tbh" - Kajot
"if i had the choice between shooting boquise and shooting an outed wolf id shoot boquise twice" - Katze
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Hard agree with this. Extreme tunnelling is generally just bad play and hurts town a lot more than it helps.Considering what some have said in this topic, this might be an unpopular opinion.
Sometimes it isn't on you to be found townie by other town. Most of the times when you are the subject of an inescapable tunnel, it isn't your fault and it is impossible for you to clear yourself. The fault does not at this point lie at the tunnelled player, but the tunneler who refuses to see reason.
Imo, if you consistently death tunnel a town player through the whole game, it does not matter whatsoever how townie you yourself look like for the rest of the players nor does your interactions with everyone else make you a good (team) player. Your selfish agenda is ruining the game for one person and you are most likely serving on silver plate a misyeet (if the subject gives up and let's themselves be misyeeted (and this might make yourself misyeeted the next day, depending on the town)) or a town loss in lylo.
"Be more townie" is a bizarre demand in certain situations because what that means differ and it is based on an abstract metric. If you cannot follow those thread norms, you will be scum read. If you are scum and follow those norms, you will be town read. This is why I find it easier to scum than town because as scum I know who town is and thus can accommodate them without fear (and that is my focus) but as town I am busy with solving the game.
There is responsibility resting on the scum read town and misreads happen. But one cannot give the death tunneler a free pass. Being scum read does not mean that you are playing badly.
lol it is pretty obvious that I am
defending my own town game here but I do believe this regardless of person in question. And I also wanted to rant a little, given this is my town experience in 9 out of 10 town games
Considering what some have said in this topic, this might be an unpopular opinion.
Sometimes it isn't on you to be found townie by other town. Most of the times when you are the subject of an inescapable tunnel, it isn't your fault and it is impossible for you to clear yourself. The fault does not at this point lie at the tunnelled player, but the tunneler who refuses to see reason.
Imo, if you consistently death tunnel a town player through the whole game, it does not matter whatsoever how townie you yourself look like for the rest of the players nor does your interactions with everyone else make you a good (team) player. Your selfish agenda is ruining the game for one person and you are most likely serving on silver plate a misyeet (if the subject gives up and let's themselves be misyeeted (and this might make yourself misyeeted the next day, depending on the town)) or a town loss in lylo.
"Be more townie" is a bizarre demand in certain situations because what that means differ and it is based on an abstract metric. If you cannot follow those thread norms, you will be scum read. If you are scum and follow those norms, you will be town read. This is why I find it easier to scum than town because as scum I know who town is and thus can accommodate them without fear (and that is my focus) but as town I am busy with solving the game.
There is responsibility resting on the scum read town and misreads happen. But one cannot give the death tunneler a free pass. Being scum read does not mean that you are playing badly.
lol it is pretty obvious that I am
defending my own town game here but I do believe this regardless of person in question. And I also wanted to rant a little, given this is my town experience in 9 out of 10 town games
wooloorolling
I’ve always believed that players that claim they can never get out of the hellhole that is “I can never be townie / read as town and I’m always misyeeted, I just don’t know what to do to fix this!” just simply don’t want to risk being wrong over being read as obvious town.
If you find yourself to be that player, spool out your thoughts. You’re yeeted because you never speak your mind and how you get to certain reads.
Dig into your thoughts until you hit bedrock.
are people really saying tunneling is bad in an unpopular opinions thread?
I was more targeting a "it is the individual town's responsibility to make themselves appear townie so others can find them" perspective which is an opinion I have seen prevail in spec chat and in games the last few years tbh
Last edited by Boquise; July 23rd, 2020 at 04:52 AM.
What the community thinks of me:
"Boq just has the "I think he may pocket me but somehow I'm totally okay with it" charisma tbh" - Kajot
"if i had the choice between shooting boquise and shooting an outed wolf id shoot boquise twice" - Katze
In my case, it is a mix of "bad tone" and that I express thoughts that jump around all the time tbh
So am usually open with being wrong. "Wrongness" is a common reason to be scum read so I think that plays a factor in people's minds tbh
Last edited by Boquise; July 23rd, 2020 at 04:55 AM.
What the community thinks of me:
"Boq just has the "I think he may pocket me but somehow I'm totally okay with it" charisma tbh" - Kajot
"if i had the choice between shooting boquise and shooting an outed wolf id shoot boquise twice" - Katze
Night phases shorter than 24 hrs are bad for motivation levels and general enjoyment of the game and inevitably lead to burnout. Particularly when they coincide with people's sleeping patterns which they generally will be designed to do. Everyone needs a break!
Either have the game short enough you can play in one sitting or long enough that you can dip in and out and have days where you don't need to spend your time predominantly focused on the thread if you want to keep up.
In other words, 36/12 phases are the absolute worst.
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