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    I just.

    I don’t even wanna know who flips here and what their flip is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#6346)
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    no ffs

    make your vote count and vote carotte

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#6346)
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    vanity wagon for you?

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    Season 7, Semifinals 1: Universe City Nights [The Mafia Championship] Day 3 Votecount

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    5 Carotte dyachei (114), SmartBomb (188), Holyflare (187), tonystarkprime (215), GiraffeSyrup (232)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#6346)
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    Hmm. I think you have been a lot happier when it's Carotte over GS. I think that's a consistent trend on your EoD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#6353)
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    glgl
    vanity wagon for you?
    I think all the other wagons are villagers

    so yeah

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    Gonna fall asleep now. Wolves kill me and I’ll never have to see another flip

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiraffeSyrup (#6352)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#6346)
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    glgl
    no ffs

    make your vote count and vote carotte
    please?

    for my sanity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violet (#6355)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#6346)
    not moving

    glgl
    Hmm. I think you have been a lot happier when it's Carotte over GS. I think that's a consistent trend on your EoD.
    nope, I think they're v/v

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmartBomb (#6351)
    I just.

    I don’t even wanna know who flips here and what their flip is.
    It's easier if you just stop caring and look like you're contributing by just posting memes and buzzwords and common eod phrases instead. That's what I've been doing. Don't care who flips lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiraffeSyrup (#6358)
    Quote Originally Posted by GiraffeSyrup (#6352)
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    not moving

    glgl
    no ffs

    make your vote count and vote carotte
    please?

    for my sanity?
    I think carotte flips v and your sanity won't appreciate that

    sorry

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    SB LIVES ANOTHER DAY I GUESS

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    someone vote giraffe? please? how did it end up like this lol

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    if i die here

    uh

    idk

    sorry but also thanks for putting up with me

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    Season 7, Semifinals 1: Universe City Nights [The Mafia Championship] Day 3 Votecount

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    5 Carotte dyachei (114), SmartBomb (188), Holyflare (188), tonystarkprime (216), GiraffeSyrup (234)
    4 GiraffeSyrup Carotte (110), TK5141 (36), Violet (141), hey_monkey (195)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#6359)
    Quote Originally Posted by Violet (#6355)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#6346)
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    glgl
    Hmm. I think you have been a lot happier when it's Carotte over GS. I think that's a consistent trend on your EoD.
    nope, I think they're v/v
    Well, I'll check this overnight in my analysis if your behaviour changes depending on who leads.

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    just vote carotte please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#6360)
    Quote Originally Posted by SmartBomb (#6351)
    I just.

    I don’t even wanna know who flips here and what their flip is.
    It's easier if you just stop caring and look like you're contributing by just posting memes and buzzwords and common eod phrases instead. That's what I've been doing. Don't care who flips lol.
    Yeah I spent a good few minutes screaming imo.

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    violet/TK probably both wolves after this EoD

    TK doesn't care but is trying to look like he does

    violet setting up GS

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    « Day 3 Elimination: Carotte was Vanilla Town »
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    so

    am i about to be a wagon for the fourth day in a row?

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    Yeah, surprise, Carotte was just a tunneled villager.

    Somewhat surprised though to see Mist go down. But I guess that leaves the big clump of people who need to be solved ASAP.

    I have a semi-wall but I JUST got home from explore some of the great lakes and it was phone typed so I'm going to check it over real quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hey_monkey (#6381)
    Yeah, surprise, Carotte was just a tunneled villager.

    Somewhat surprised though to see Mist go down. But I guess that leaves the big clump of people who need to be solved ASAP.

    I have a semi-wall but I JUST got home from explore some of the great lakes and it was phone typed so I'm going to check it over real quick.
    why were you surprised that chemist was the kill?

    i thought it was pretty obvious

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    // This wall was written at night and it seems I was wrong on Chemist here.

    Another wall, this time I’ve focused on inspecting two separate worlds – one where GS is a wolf and one where he is not. I have also collected other ideas to this post. This analysis differs from previous analysis because I was pushed as wagon as well and I can draw conclusion from that which for outs.I also had considerably less time this night, so it's not as massive First, however, some general ideas.

    During the night, I remembered how SB asked us to rank players in terms of impact/investment in the game. While that might be useful in a normal game, it can be assumed that all players would be invested in the game regardless of their side as it is a championships game, and not just a qualifier. We have to use another metrics here. TK pointed out that Dobby does not seem to be wolfy in this game because they do not seem excited of the mislynches. Wolves were probably delighted that Psycho was a mislynch whereas town would be devastated. This lead to me thinking… which players have shown least discomfort in the gamestate?

    Holyflare got frustrated by the gamestate to change his style completely.

    Dobby has been frustrated as well and I have got genuine feelings from Dya.

    TK has been frustrated as well, but partly because of being misread – he also showed more investment in Carotte miselim than in previous elims that I believe they were troubled by where the EoD was going. Smartbomb has shown to be very down because of the constant miselims and the feel of the thread.

    Monkey has shown concern of the gamestate. However, because of her analytical style I cannot tell if it’s completely genuine or a faked worry. Then again, they did show investment in yesterdays elimination.

    GS has been frustrated a lot, but it could be an issue not stemming from the gamestate but from being a wagon third day in a row.

    Chemist has shown to worry, and has brought us MU academy articles to review the gamestate. This is also a very analytical take.

    The players who seem most oblivious to negativity right now are Roundbox and TSP.
    I am not really sure if this “Despair index” is a worthwhile tool or not – this is a first time I’m using it - but it does align with my reads very well. I consider it likely that that the wolves are in Roundbox/TSP and then someone from Monkey, Chemist or GS. Is this a definitive wolftell? No. Does it make me feel better about my reads? Yes, it does. It is only natural that those who feel the most down by this game are town. It can be easy to adapt logic, but hard to adjust feelings if every wagon pushed has been town – which is the case if GS is town, which in turn points me to Roundbox and TSP.

    Second general point is that yesterday we had yet another miselim. Which players showed more interest in setting up future (mis)eliminations than in getting the right lynch? Knowing my role, I would say Chemist as they went against me and my strongest townread TK at the end of the day. They also set a rather shaky wagon on me where I asked, multiple times for reasons as to why am I suddenly a wagon (reasons weren’t provided) and it was all ended in a claim that I’m setting up GS (which I was not. I wrote that if yesterday’s lynch results in V flip, the still living player should not be automatically cleared from PoE). This all happened after Chemist claimed that they had not really focused on D3, their conclusions are allegedly based on EoD analysis and after they stated they would most likely stay back today. Holy flare took a note of players setting up him as mislynch as well.


    If GS is wolf:

    Analysis – general points

    The only players who have the exact same voting history are SB and Holy.

    Players who were not on GS on D1, 2 or 3: Roro, TSP, GS, Psycho, Chemist, HolyFlare,
    Smartbomb, Roundbox

    Players who were on GS during some EoD: TK, Dya, Carlos, Carotte, Wabbit/Monkey, (Penguin), Violet
    Now onwards the analysis has two sections, but both of them contain common observations as well.
    Analysis – if GS is wolf

    If GS is wolf, who were the players who were the most unwilling to join his wagon? Who were the players who pushed the Carotte wagon harder? Who were the one’s who gave up on GS wagon the easiest?

    TSP seemed to not be interested in the conflict at all, but voted Carotte in the end. Roundbox parked his vote on Carotte, switched briefly for SB and parked his vote back on Carotte. Neither has voted GS once this entire game and GS has not voted Roundbox since D1 and TSP since early D2.
    Chemist did vote both Carotte and GS yesterday, but near EoD tried to push for me, Tk Monkey and Dobby. Their last words were that I’m suspicious for “setting up GS”. I can see that Chemist has been protective of GS.

    TK pushed GS at the end of the day. He is not a fit here. TK was also in GS wagon D2.
    Holy does fit in a weird way as they started the push on GS, but the switch in style is still not a fit for W!Holy.

    Monkey was on GS for the vast majority of time and also in D2. It does not seem to fit to me. Unless Monkey was willing to buss at the risk of GS dying, then it is not a fit here.
    Dobby being casually away at the EoD voting is not a fit here.

    Dya and Smartbomb both had votes on Carotte. When considering from the perspective of votes at EoD, they cannot be excluded.Dya’s D1 vote on GS could have been an act of bussing or self-preservation. In any case, this match here is not the best fit.

    If GS is wolf, who were the players who unvoted on him on crucial

    Analysis – if GS is not wolf

    EoD3 I stated that if GS is town, the wolves are found from Chemist/Smartbomb/ Monkey/TSP/ Roundbox. I believe in Holyflare’s frustration where he switched his style and I believe my reads on Tk, Dobby and Dya are trustable.

    If GS is not a wolf, all of our EoD wagons this entire game have been on town. This means that the wolves have been very content and likely stress free. I think this profile does suit Roundbox best. In addition to this, if GS is town, Roundbox is the only non-solved player in Carotte’s wagon on D2.

    In terms of eliminations, each day had various possibilities. D1, Carlos was the best elim for wolves even before his joat claim. D2 it was Psycho. D3 the best miselim for wolves would have been me, but Carotte was the better miselim between her and GS because GS would have revealed information from previous wagons.

    Carlos, Psycho and me have one common pusher – Chemist. I started to have a creeping feeling on D3 that they might be the deepwolf of this game. In the EoD 3, they set multiple directions as to where to direct miseliminations – at least me, TK and Holy. They never were on either of Carotte/Chemist wagon at EoD’s but took an active role in voting both of these players and pushing the wagons until at the EoD they come to conclusion it’s V/V (tmi?) and start setting up mislynches.

    Holy seemed invested in EoD and while I do not think that SB should have been the lynch, it was the right move to push him at the EoD.

    SB could be a wolf here, but they do seem genuinely down. Dobby and monkey share this position.
    Dya seemed invested in the EoD in a villagery way and the consideration between Carotte nad GS makes me think no tmi is involved.

    As before stated, TK seemed to be a lot more invested in the EoD than usually and defended Carotte. With Tk’s progression on Carotte, I do believe he was protecting his best townread here.

    TSP – honestly, I do not know. They were at EoD but they seemed uninterested of the Carotte/Gs situation and declared so. They seem less opportunistic than Chemist to me, which speaks in his favour.

    Overall readlist

    Strong town: Holyflare, TK

    Quite confident town: Dobby, Dya

    Upper PoE: Smartbomb, Monkey, GS

    Lower PoE: Chemist, Roundbox, TSP

    Preferred Defenestration: Roundbox
    Roundbox has flown under the radar in a suspicious way. He has been voted a bit, but no one has stood to push him much. Most players keep him around in PoE without interacting with him a lot. With most wagons being on towns, there has been no great reason for strong busses that would only gather attention.

    If I would have to guess the wolfteam, I would think the team in my lower PoE would be it. I have not investigated this team further, as my schedule today was busy. I’m playing Pathfinder with my brothers tomorrow, so expect there to be a small drop in activity – with the lower player count though I think I will keep up.

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    Good day

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiraffeSyrup (#6382)
    Quote Originally Posted by hey_monkey (#6381)
    Yeah, surprise, Carotte was just a tunneled villager.

    Somewhat surprised though to see Mist go down. But I guess that leaves the big clump of people who need to be solved ASAP.

    I have a semi-wall but I JUST got home from explore some of the great lakes and it was phone typed so I'm going to check it over real quick.
    why were you surprised that chemist was the kill?

    i thought it was pretty obvious
    Well, I wrote already in my wall why I considered Chemist suspicious. You can read that part to understand my process, but it won't help solve the game much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violet (#6386)
    Quote Originally Posted by GiraffeSyrup (#6382)
    Quote Originally Posted by hey_monkey (#6381)
    Yeah, surprise, Carotte was just a tunneled villager.

    Somewhat surprised though to see Mist go down. But I guess that leaves the big clump of people who need to be solved ASAP.

    I have a semi-wall but I JUST got home from explore some of the great lakes and it was phone typed so I'm going to check it over real quick.
    why were you surprised that chemist was the kill?

    i thought it was pretty obvious
    Well, I wrote already in my wall why I considered Chemist suspicious. You can read that part to understand my process, but it won't help solve the game much.
    uh

    i asked this question towards monkey, not you

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    nah today is TSP death day, it's confirmed

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    ##Vote Violet

    eod analysis says this is correct

    this flash wagon just did. not. want. to. form.

    like who was on it? me, chemist, and tsp. some of my top townreads.

    compare this to sb's wagon. it formed instantly; no resistance
    i townread sb. by this logic, since the reaction to violet's wagon was different, i scumread violet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiraffeSyrup (#6388)
    Quote Originally Posted by Violet (#6386)
    Quote Originally Posted by GiraffeSyrup (#6382)
    Quote Originally Posted by hey_monkey (#6381)
    Yeah, surprise, Carotte was just a tunneled villager.

    Somewhat surprised though to see Mist go down. But I guess that leaves the big clump of people who need to be solved ASAP.

    I have a semi-wall but I JUST got home from explore some of the great lakes and it was phone typed so I'm going to check it over real quick.
    why were you surprised that chemist was the kill?

    i thought it was pretty obvious
    Well, I wrote already in my wall why I considered Chemist suspicious. You can read that part to understand my process, but it won't help solve the game much.
    uh

    i asked this question towards monkey, not you
    Fair - my take however, is still written.

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    Dobby's post yesterday was great and maybe we need to hold hands and try to find towncore but there were pushes toward that yesterday that went nowhere so I'm gonna say y'all need to get in here and find your motivation because I didn't read eleventy billion posts to catch up while unpacking my house for a bunch of people to throw up their hands and yell idk so please HF, put on YOUR big boy pants, grab SmartBomb's, and let's go, because the only people I can imagine not caring right the $%#! now are wolves, because wolves think this is just GREAT.

    The Carotte wagon has a high concentration of people I’m not sure about. Chemist casting around feels mostly okay, though if there’s an off-wagon wolf I suspect her over Dobby. **NOTE: I FIGURED VIOLET WOULD BE THE KILL TBH**

    I have a lot of specific thoughts on people on that wagon and the fact that it’s unlikely that all wolves were in that wagon is pretty wild unless GS is definitely a wolf, but it will wait a day and honestly I’m tired of talking about GS. If he’s a wolf, he’s not alone, so one thing I will do today is look for partner potential for him. Because the way people resisted Carotte at first and then fled there to the person in the thunderdome more likely to be just town is a bad look. The two people who threw up their hands and said whatever being there is a bad look. TSP being on every villa kill is a bad look. And his moves are always so obvious that I would doubt there's wolf potential there except no one seems to care. Someone said yesterday that GS is in the dream wolf position because he can do anything and justify it but that is also a perfect description of TSP here.

    roundbox with the “secret thing” to stay relevant is a bad look, but worse is how little he commented on the wagons. That makes at least three ambivalent people on that vote and WHY. Flipping GS accomplished the same thing - getting Carotte out of the tunnel - and had a better chance of being a hit AND better data, since he was a wagon for multiple days and almost everyone has voted him at some point. I would like people on that vote to please engage it. Tell us why you picked Carotte instead. Please. Please.
    I don’t know if I could have articulated this all at the time, EODs here move fast, but looking back at all the people who were just “this one I guess” tilts me. Why is “I guess” good enough? On d3 with dead villagers on the ground?

    And I'm just going to be open about it - I'm taking SB out of my townreads. I had him there because one of my earliest reads had him as JOAT in my notes and several things added to it - I even breadcrumbed that read. It felt like the best way to describe his reluctance and attitude but I don't think a JOAT acts like that yesterday so I rescind my read. (This is not a call for anyone to claim or for SB to respond in any way to that aspect; this is just for transparency's sake.)

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    weh.

    I don’t feel like playing rn. I kinda have a vague idea who but I don’t wanna think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#6384)
    ##Vote tonystarkprime

    Good day
    Why now.

    I support it. I want to know why now.

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    who killed mist over me we had a whole conversation about this

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmartBomb (#6393)
    weh.

    I don’t feel like playing rn. I kinda have a vague idea who but I don’t wanna think about it.
    ##Vote SmartBomb
    find your pants, friendo

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiraffeSyrup (#6380)
    so

    am i about to be a wagon for the fourth day in a row?
    I will not allow it, we kill SB first

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    gosh looking at past eod votecounts makes me depressed

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonystarkprime (#6395)
    who killed mist over me we had a whole conversation about this
    This is performative. There was zero chance in all universes you were killed last night even IF you are town.

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    jesus that's quite the analysis violet. I read it just to acknowledge your effort

    obviously chem was wrong but I like the thought behind it

    we had 4 wagons of 3 at one point yesterday. do we think they're all town?

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