This is mafia aggro 100%.
Roundbox this sounds like a trap question but why didn't you push Holyflare while Carlos was around?
you already pulled my "this guy is something" card when you said you were essentially this game's innocent child. the only other person I've seen do that I hate playing with so yeah, here we are.
Roundbox this may or may not also be a trap question!
When I made my big inspirational town leader posts about how we should thunderdome carotte/gs did you generally agree with my sentiment?
guess I gotta dig in. this is the long haul
I'm not quite sure what just happened really
I'm feeling really, REALLY good about today. Especially this.
Feel free to still answer it though!
I do see your scum case on me for its whole worth now. I know it's wrong since I'm town, but I can see how you arrived to the conclusion and understand it.
Retrospective Day 1 Votecount as of Post #2210
Post #2210 was originally posted at 7:01 PM EDT on Saturday, July 25th, 2020.
Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase) 6 Penguin022 tonystarkprime, GiraffeSyrup, TK5141, Psycho666Soldier, Violet, roro__b 4 GiraffeSyrup hey_monkey, Penguin022, dyachei, Carotte 1 roro__b roundbox 1 TK5141 Holyflare 1 tonystarkprime Chemist1422 2 Not voting SmartBomb, Carlos
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I see hey_monkey on there again, but that's Wabbit. still, though, I'd be lying if I said it didn't stand out to me. imagining dya wolf there causes cognitive dissonance and points me towards hey_monkey's slot, so that's why that's occurring.
I'm townreading GS. I'm townreading TK. I need to reevaluate Violet. Dobby has been in my town pile, but I've stated I needed to reread him too. I townread TK yesterday. I feel like I need to do a once-over of him and see what he's said about Dobby because there could be some insight there I'm missing.
TK - Holyflare. Need to reevaluate here today too.
Not voting - SmartBomb. I actually should really focus here too.
looks like today is reevaluation day so I mean this is a good thing
Why are you townreading GS?
something about him being aware of posts but misplacing literally nearly every read of his rubs me the right way
I didn't see the thread that Holyflare was attempting to tie with his posts in that ISO of his with all the post numbers
I can always reevaluate that too
hell a good majority of my reads are stale anyway
it's like I'm an amorphous blob today
have you read today
i'm not sure what your point is given we've barely interacted all game and the most amount of interactive thought you've put solving my slot seems to be voting me at eod every day
i uh, would like to say something more but i'm just going to let this exist
is this not reasonable for both of us? I said I needed to make a more informed read of you. I'm going to do that.
also: think of wolf strategy here in regards to Chemist
-What was the scum plan moving forward dealing with her?
-Who was ever gonna get that wagon to the top? If you can't vote her out ever and she'd probably be strong in F7/5/3 (or even numbers but you get what I mean) then why keep her?
-Could have been JOAT, but nobody was silly enough to claim vanilla so this really applies to anyone that's not scum I guess
is it weird that I'm not surprised? can't wait to draw more weird looks for another one of my posts
I was/am busy tonight so I'm gonna be even more shady and disappear
I'll probably run into Dobby more tomorrow as he'll be doing similar so that's cool I guess
FOOTAGE OF ME TOMORROW
I mean the point is roundbox missed the Holyflare JOAT soft and I'm not sure how to feel about it.
I'll write up something in a bit. Life is crashing, the state I'm in is throwing down complete lockdown and I'm considering how $%#!ed that makes my life right now and I'm getting a bit tired of this game. I'll still do my best though.
Even if he's frustrated with HF, like... everyone else was talking about it?
I mean yes it's just completely strange to miss it from roundbox. Honestly it's strange from either alignment of roundbox's, I'd feel scum!roundbox would be better than that and would update himself on his JOAT understanding.
Between you and me I'm really struggling with what to do with roundbox. I'd like to say that his detatchment in terms of investment from the gamestate is wolfy cause it classically is but I don't think he got hyper involved in the gamestate and was only forced to cause MM kept pressuring him all the time. He had a balls EOD.
There's also the fact that like. When I infamously ran TL up to elim, roundbox guided me and said the elim had to happen even though I was whining that I wanted to look into TL's alignment. Basically solving TL was, from my understanding, important for the gamestate.
Much like Carotte/GS was here.
Idk. I shouldn't compare situations this deeply.
Lemme see if I can talk more about roundbox since this is the weekend. And a few other people since you pulled me off my videogames.
Yeah roundbox is.
I feel like his analysis kind of is good yes. But it kind of goes to a nowhere direction. He spends all this time looking at an ISO but a lot of the time he doesn't use that to guide his elims.
I think this is a misrepresentative view and it's why I don't wanna talk about it but the feeling I get from roundbox is that he does all this solving in the day and then like. Shows up at EOD and just ignores everything he's done. Is that right? I'm not sure. Like, lemme talk about his progressions from my limited perspective.
His progression on me is vaguely TR'ing me to start off with cause I "opened like I did in G7" which, I suppose? I obviously felt forced to get down to business but I was a bit grumpy to start off with in D1 sure and I think TSP thought the same. But then he just keeps coming back to my EOD1 vote and general sentiment and just keeps voting me for it with vigour and I'm like.
Dude you haven't ISO'd me what are you doing trying to CFD me over a possible wolf target of yours? Why does your vote keep coming back to me with such interest when you have a better grasp of the game than everyone else, we barely talk to each other in the thread cause you're knee deep in ISO?
Chief to all that is that roundbox doesn't actually move his vote or even have an overall suspicion on everyone mostly. Like there's the Carotte stuff I guess but there was just a huge stretch of time where roundbox is knee deep in work and his vote is. Nowhere. All this work and you don't have a vibe to push on?
I don't know. A lot of this feels like culture clash. roundbox feels like a wolf but I'm slowly overthinking stuff and wondering if roundbox would feel like a wolf in gamestate regardless of alignment.
Yeah this is why I don't really want to spew thoughts on the page cause I feel like a lot of this is wrong.
I don't know about this other game/situation or if it applies, though.
But as for this: roundbox was obviously reading the thread, regardless of any other chat he may or may not have. There is evidence that he was reading the thread. So it's not really possible to have missed everything. Maybe missed some of the implications but like... there's a lot of threadspace dedicated to discussing how HF started the day.
Which means for some reason, roundbox didn't post about it. Didn't ask, didn't follow up, didn't slant reference it, just fought with HF (which: mood) and did a little more and then bounced.
w!roundbox would KNOW this would be looked at oddly, so what's the cover or angle?
t!roundbox might be less concerned with how this would look, but also one of his last posts was about being misread so he IS concerned with how he looks.
So no matter what, yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense. But how can a town player ignore all this? It's one thing to say okay, well, that's that, let me go look at other stuff and use the time but that usually still requires an acknowledgment....
It's not just his progression on me. When I thought roundbox/Holyflare w/w it was because roundbox kept jabbing and asking Holyflare questions continuously after a scumread, but I don't know where he's going with it. And then suddenly in the middle of all this he considers maybe he should read a Holyflare ISO.
Idk. I've said all this stuff and my concern is this doesn't feel like a hit. However, nothing has felt like a hit since the first hour of Day 1. So that's not fun.
Anyways I should use this time to talk about Dobby, who flamed in to vote Carlos, gone off in the thread, and has essentially just faded into the background, and yet everyone is still talking about that time when that happened as a reason to put him in upper bracket.
But that's basically it.
excuse me what I pointed out is in fact villagery hypocrisy and is why I hate this game
So, to the bold - here's what I have.
He does have you in his PoE, but yes, I don't see the same effort to solve you that he seemingly puts in with ISOs. Like look at the TK ISO yesterday. #5266. It's pretty dense. It goes into some explanatory detail. But I don't know... what it actually does. Nor why it was done at that moment. Did that advance the gamestate? Do we really get anything out of that ISO?
I will say he does move his vote occasionally - more than you at times - so some of your impressions will be impressions and not always borne out. I am going to re-read his Day 3, though, because I want to look at it in a vacuum.
There should be no situation that a wolf player would not know, so it is therefore logical that a wolf player should know that ignoring it completely is going to generate some feelings.
But roundbox, of either alignment, is already concerned about generating feelings. So should be aware of how he comes off regardless. I'd expect at the least some snarky remark. If he theorized HF setting things up yesterday, this is just another setup.
So it makes NO sense no matter what!!! wtf
people based on the things I remember them doing, ranked solely on this scale from least to most wolfy:
Dobby- doing a lot of yelling and then coming back and saying nice things
Giraffe- being a wagon every day, turbo mode, some isos, being carlos day 1
Monkey- "holder of the shady votes"
HF- painting a town core, leaving me out, then faking a joat claim to try to exclude me more
RB- EOD analysis, not asking as many questions
Dya- yelling at smartbomb, getting upset at being in the bottom half of activity tables
TK- big wall
thing is some villagers don't attempt to advance the gamestate. they just put things there and walk away. this is why chemist reads roundbox as the "guy who just puts in work and is largely ignored" and used some written statement by mafia god GeneralHankerchief says that's most likely villagery. Wolves do this too though LMAO
But yeah. I feel like I have to scumread it but it just doesn't feel great to especially since that might just be roundbox. This whole stuff roundbox is doing - his concerns with me - might also just be roundbox quietly dodging in and out to sus me cause that's just how he feels and that's the very nice, logical explanation for his stuff.
Idk. I need to think about someone else and whether they make more sense.
Speaking of Chemist I feel like she'd defend roundbox here and has the most voice of roundbox defenders which is bleh.