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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2300)
    Well, if we're going to do Spartan057 then I suppose I'll be fine with that.

    It just feels a bit risky.
    But I'm only voting him if you two vote him.

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    I will finalize after lunch

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2301)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2300)
    Well, if we're going to do Spartan057 then I suppose I'll be fine with that.

    It just feels a bit risky.
    But I'm only voting him if you two vote him.
    I'm already on him.

    It is just the correct theoreticla move, even if he flips village then he the unconcfirmed list has dwindled and we go again the next day with a wolf from the two claims.

    Think of it like a lynch via poe.

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    I will be on computer in a little. I may not post my findings but I want to look at several peoples ISO's

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    3 insomnia Duk3star (54), erindalc (32), MartinGG99 (113)
    1 Spartan057 aao (43)
    1 erindalc insomnia (57)
    1 ignoramus Spriggan (77)
    6 Not voting Phoenix13 (6), an_gorta_pratai (3), SuperMonkeyFace (26), ignoramus (40), Spartan057 (14), WerewolfHunter (59)

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  6. ISO #2306
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#2223)
    Could we walk me through the pros and cons of voting into or outside of the claims?
    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggan (#2238)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2192)
    we should probably lynch outside the claim tho right?
    If we do then we could end up with both alive and this just continues
    so the way I understand it.. and from experience

    IF ignoramu is a wolf and we miseliminate insomnia - we've taken out the seer for the wolves and they either nk a peek or another pr tonight and we go into tomorrow pretty sour (with less confirmed prs than today)

    if we lynch outside the claim and the wolves decide to kill the seer (I don't think they can risk him alive with ANOTHER wolf peek).
    if they decide to keep him alive and keep the charade going I think the risk is too high. inevitably tomorrow we would have to lynch inside the claim.. and as long as it's not must/elim the seer would have an extra peek from the FPS of keeping him alive (we keep our prs alive and force wolves to kill)

    the wolves have to nightkill the real seer imo. unless we eliminate a villager today and then again tmrw that - might be game. so if we got rid of a different wolf luckily today then they are really screwed if they choose to keep seer alive - hence they almost always kill him

    this sounds a little confusing and I'm having a hard time articulating it.. but I think experienced players would say vote outside the claim unless you are very certain you're eliminating the correct claim

  7. ISO #2307
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2241)
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#2229)
    Before I decide I want some more opinions
    Personally, I don't really believe in this idea. The cops will only provide more distraction on who they "checked" and found was "mafia", assuming they don't kill each other.

    And from my PoV, Insomnia has been manipulative enough if he's scum. I'm concerned about him existing and then somehow arguing his way out of that situation.

    My other reason is that if we get him now, either its a dead scum or a dead town and Ignoramus the dead scum on the next day.

    I just got this general "I don't believe into it" feel.

    Besides, I feel voting OUTSIDE of the claims is a lot worse than a 50/50 that we catch a scum now (and a 100% catch a scum on D4 if we get the townie one today)
    .
    the argument here is if we are wrong and lynch the seer.. and they nk a seer peek or another pr.. we are in worse shape tmrw than if we voted outside claims

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    SuperMonkey - join me on spartan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggan (#2252)
    Either way this could continue as a circle tomorrow if scum is ballsy enough to let the cop live cause one of them has to be scum
    it's plausible

    argument sake again tho - if they continue an fps of keeping seer alive they risk the real seer getting another cleared villager or peeked wolf

    only works if they can win the game by mislynching the next 2 days because of this as that might be game.

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    Healer should heal Martin.

    Lynch outside the claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aao (#2308)
    SuperMonkey - join me on spartan
    catching up still but I'll likely get there with you

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    ##Vote Spartan057

    He is been left very vague from both insomnia and ignoramus, mostly ignored. I agree between the two more with Spartan right now.

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    I'm not objective obviously but I really feel like insomnia's cop claim is a desperate play to stay alive rather than a legit one.

    Plus given the ignoramus progression of claims with the n0 issue it just makes more sense. He was suspicious of me right up until he got the info that clears me.

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    ##Vote Spartan057

    It is decided, then.

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    3 Spartan057 aao (45), Spriggan (78), MartinGG99 (114)
    2 insomnia Duk3star (54), erindalc (33)
    1 erindalc insomnia (57)
    6 Not voting Phoenix13 (6), an_gorta_pratai (3), SuperMonkeyFace (30), ignoramus (40), Spartan057 (14), WerewolfHunter (59)

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    I need to luck over his iso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aao (#2283)
    Live Players:
    aao
    Spriggan
    ignoramus
    MartinGG99
    Erindalc
    WerewolfHunter
    an_gorta_pratai
    Duk3star
    Chimaira/ Phoenix13
    Spartan057
    SuperMonkeyFace
    Kingslayer/insomnia

    Ignoramus claim:
    Martin village
    Insomnia wolf
    Eric villager

    Insomnia claim:
    N1: SMF - green
    N2: erindalc - red
    N0 compensation: WWH - green

    Lynchable players for today:
    aao
    Spriggan
    an_gorta_pratai
    Duk3star
    Chimaira/ Phoenix13
    Spartan057
    who's eric?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#2316)
    I need to luck over his iso.
    Also look at how insomnia and ignoramus have viewed him as well.

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    Thanks for that explanation about voting into or outside of the claims

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    Eric=erindalc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggan (#2318)
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#2316)
    I need to luck over his iso.
    Also look at how insomnia and ignoramus have viewed him as well.
    sounds good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2317)

    who's eric?
    At some point I believe I got labeled eric. Even though it literally says "erin" in my profile.

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    Technically if you take out ndal from your name you get Eric

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggan (#2323)
    Technically if you take out ndal from your name you get Eric
    Yeah let me take out igg from your name and get Spran...

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    kk thx

    insomnia was the one later to claim (cc).. if he was a wolf wouldn't he fake red on ignoramus.. not erin?

    what could be the motive to fake peeking someone else red?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2325)
    kk thx

    insomnia was the one later to claim (cc).. if he was a wolf wouldn't he fake red on ignoramus.. not erin?

    what could be the motive to fake peeking someone else red?
    Because he's wolf and he's been pushing me all game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erindalc (#2322)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2317)

    who's eric?
    At some point I believe I got labeled eric. Even though it literally says "erin" in my profile.
    Tbh I'm waiting for that one post where someone will actually refer to me as "That One Idiot" because of my AKA name.

    Without me bringing it up.

    Feels like no ones ever going to mention it lol.

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    like this is not the actual informative answer I was looking for

    what possible +ev strategy would lead a wolf to cc a red check on someone other than the original claim??

    Quote Originally Posted by erindalc (#2326)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2325)
    kk thx

    insomnia was the one later to claim (cc).. if he was a wolf wouldn't he fake red on ignoramus.. not erin?

    what could be the motive to fake peeking someone else red?
    Because he's wolf and he's been pushing me all game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2328)
    smonkeyface

    I win
    I would've gone for smokeyface but that works too

  31. ISO #2331
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2328)
    smonkeyface

    I win
    SupeFace works too

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    Quote Originally Posted by erindalc (#2330)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2328)
    smonkeyface

    I win
    I would've gone for smokeyface but that works too
    even better!

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    Does WWH become WereHunter if we consider the name downsizing trend?

    Insom?

    Spart?

    Kaj?

    Chim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2329)
    like this is not the actual informative answer I was looking for

    what possible +ev strategy would lead a wolf to cc a red check on someone other than the original claim??

    Quote Originally Posted by erindalc (#2326)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2325)
    kk thx

    insomnia was the one later to claim (cc).. if he was a wolf wouldn't he fake red on ignoramus.. not erin?

    what could be the motive to fake peeking someone else red?
    Because he's wolf and he's been pushing me all game.
    Because he can't swing as well that he would've check ignoramus as well as he would've checked me.

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    From Spartan's iso, I liked the posts toward the beginning of it. The more recent posts felt more like filler rather than anything else. Plus, towards the end of his iso he didn't give much explanation for his votes and such.

    ##Vote Spartan057

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    Quote Originally Posted by erindalc (#2334)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2329)
    like this is not the actual informative answer I was looking for

    what possible +ev strategy would lead a wolf to cc a red check on someone other than the original claim??

    Quote Originally Posted by erindalc (#2326)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2325)
    kk thx

    insomnia was the one later to claim (cc).. if he was a wolf wouldn't he fake red on ignoramus.. not erin?

    what could be the motive to fake peeking someone else red?
    Because he's wolf and he's been pushing me all game.
    Because he can't swing as well that he would've check ignoramus as well as he would've checked me.
    TBH the only reason this is even an issue is because I played poorly D1.

  37. ISO #2337
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2333)
    Does WWH become WereHunter if we consider the name downsizing trend?

    Insom?

    Spart?

    Kaj?

    Chim?
    Easy there Marg

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    4 Spartan057 aao (45), Spriggan (81), MartinGG99 (116), WerewolfHunter (63)
    2 insomnia Duk3star (54), erindalc (39)
    1 erindalc insomnia (57)
    5 Not voting Phoenix13 (6), an_gorta_pratai (3), SuperMonkeyFace (37), ignoramus (40), Spartan057 (14)

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    I'm just not motivated at this moment to post isos with many posts

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    I'm back

    I'd still go for erindalc although it seems to be generally frowned upon for no reason?

    It basically confirms me as cop and ignoramus as scum on top of that.

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    well obviously I know why it's frowned upon but I just don't know, I wish I could like convince you guys that I'm real and you'd have no issue voting there

    I've been putting my blood, sweat and tears into this game and I think it shows

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    Going iso diving now

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    Alright, if you guys look outside of the checks and all and just iso dive eric, or think about him without having our claims in mind...

    Do you think he's a villager? Just off of his ISO.

    You can take a look across my case as well - think it summarises the details nicely - although you might say it's "wifom" or whatever.

  44. ISO #2344
    does anyone know if martin is n0, insomnia n1, eric n2? @ignoramus did you clarify?

    Ignoramus claim:
    Martin village
    Insomnia wolf
    Eric villager

    MartinGG99 - made an intro post at 12, involving a town game and a scum game. Feels quite townie. Then he made a post saying that he did that as both alignments, so don't town read him for it. Feels townie again, but others have pointed out that what if it was his goal for us to town read him? Mechanics talk at 17. NAI. 22 feels far too careful come from town perspective. 30 "fair enough" scum tell? Most of his posts are quite long, 232 rubs me the wring way. Closer-to-scum-than-null.

    if martin was n0 than this read on d1 makes no sense

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#521)
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    aao - the frustrated vibe that comes from their later posts feel quite townie. 38 is (probably) RVS vote, so NAI. Otherwise, null. I need more, kind sir.
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    [FONT="]an_gorta_pratai - null. I need more as well.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Chimaira - their paranoia in 19 feels townie to me. The asking questions also feels townie, but the lack of reads is concerning, especially if they won't make any later on. Light town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Duk3star - content is mostly NAI, but the vibes feel townie. He must have noticed something in 361 and 374. Need to check into it. Agrees later on in 377. Light town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]erindalc - 224 feels like lover-hunting (idk what to call it). I'd like for them to explain their read on Martin that was based on the last game they played with him where he was scum, as they said in 241. They explained it in 252, but it feels like fence-sitting. Explanation again in 267. If Martin flips red, this guy looks pretty good. If Martin flips green, then I don't really know. In 335, is it possible that they're trying to save Vera, their scum buddy? They haven't really talked to Frag at all, so... (also, is this what you call white-knighting?) I'm currently at closer-to-scum-than-null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]GeneralWu - they keep on talking about Vera, defending her from Frag. This could be a way to get others to town read their scum buddy. If they ever flip red, I'm going to look at Vera. There's also the possibility that Vera is town though. I'll put them as very light town for now, because of their posts' vibes.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]ignoramus - top town[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Kajot - the fact that she's willing to trust others (namely Martin) is quite concerning, in the sense that Martin could manipulate her vote, but I think that it (the trust) feels quite townie. Her posts' vibes feel like coming from a town mindset as well. Light town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Kingslayer - 66 "I'll be happy to answer any of your questions" feels pretty townie. Made a town read on aao; doesn't seem too shabby. Their other posts are NAI, pretty much. Null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]MartinGG99 - made an intro post at 12, involving a town game and a scum game. Feels quite townie. Then he made a post saying that he did that as both alignments, so don't town read him for it. Feels townie again, but others have pointed out that what if it was his goal for us to town read him? Mechanics talk at 17. NAI. 22 feels far too careful come from town perspective. 30 "fair enough" scum tell? Most of his posts are quite long, 232 rubs me the wring way. Closer-to-scum-than-null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Spartan057 - gave reads at 109, then didn't post at all today. Null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Spriggan - they mostly poke and prod at others but doesn't really contribute to anything themselves. If they don't contribute more, especially in the long run, I'm going to be suspicious of them. Closer-to-null-than-scum.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Sunbae - this person is very townie. Might become a town leader, which is good, if he's town. I hate saying this, but if he doesn't die in the next 1-2 nights and/or keeps leading us into mis-eliminations, I'm going to vote him as much as I can. Currently higher town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]SuperMonkeyFace - he feels quite underwhelming, compared to when I played with him before, but he's made content, much more than what I can say about others. I'm just waiting to see if he'll become similar to when I last played with him. Closer-to-null-than-town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]TheFraggernaut - I might be showing bias by immediately thinking he's scum because of our last game together. 126 doesn't seem similar to his entrance post in the last game we played together. 144 is ???. I wouldn't trust using Anniversary meta since players might be making more effort there and stuff. 150 feels quite townie in the "I don't care what you think" kind of way. Posts afterwards were kind of meh. 165 feels like he's hesitating to call someone town. I don't like it. 171 rubs me the wrong way. Why wouldn't you do so, if you were town? 176 = WIFOM. 181 is ???. The townie "I don't care" attitude pops up again, but the "I rather have votes" is weird. Feels a bit too "I need to live"-y. Can't explain. The way he says "just saying," in 185 feels like some attempt to try to appear carefree or something. Other posts seem ~fine again, then 278 comes along. Maybe this could be useful. If he were town, that is. 281 seems like townie paranoia (for lack of better word). The possible scum reading of Martin based on shade in 325 and then 327 feels weird. He responded in 387, saying that it felt like it came from a town perspective. As I look at it, it kind of does. I have to agree with him in 360, since when we were scum together, he wasn't very "I want to be in the spot light", if that makes sense. I NEED to know: how has Vera been talking like she knew Frag was town??? 400 is . @TheFraggernaut please explain 400. 412 "did you rand wolf again this game?" feels like naive town, if you ask me. Other posts feel NAI. Is it possible to be in anti-spew mode on D1? If yes, then this guy is probably doing it. Closer-to-scum-than-null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Vera - it would be great if she could explain 319, because it might help me to solve her, even a little. If Frag flipped red, then she'd look better. Her reactions to Frag's tunnel feels townie. If he flips green, I'd want to look at her again, especially because of Duk3star's 361. Light town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]WerewolfHunter - her posts from 73 to 106 are NAI. 110 actually feels quite townie, especially since she hasn't done anything AI of any kind. 343 started to ring alarms in my head, but then I remembered that she did that before, and she was town. I don't know why, but 453 rubs me the wrong way. Is this what you call LAMIST? Other posts seemed ~fine, then 495 "I like that you felt I had a good response" I'm not very sure whether or not that'd come from a town perspective. Focuses on herself quite a bit. Closer-to-null-than-town.
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    Is it possible for dead town to spew other players as town? I know that scum could do it, but I want to know if town can. I feel that it's going to help me form reads better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2344)
    does anyone know if martin is n0, insomnia n1, eric n2? @ignoramus did you clarify?

    Ignoramus claim:
    Martin village
    Insomnia wolf
    Eric villager

    MartinGG99 - made an intro post at 12, involving a town game and a scum game. Feels quite townie. Then he made a post saying that he did that as both alignments, so don't town read him for it. Feels townie again, but others have pointed out that what if it was his goal for us to town read him? Mechanics talk at 17. NAI. 22 feels far too careful come from town perspective. 30 "fair enough" scum tell? Most of his posts are quite long, 232 rubs me the wring way. Closer-to-scum-than-null.

    if martin was n0 than this read on d1 makes no sense

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#521)
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    aao - the frustrated vibe that comes from their later posts feel quite townie. 38 is (probably) RVS vote, so NAI. Otherwise, null. I need more, kind sir.
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    [FONT="]an_gorta_pratai - null. I need more as well.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Chimaira - their paranoia in 19 feels townie to me. The asking questions also feels townie, but the lack of reads is concerning, especially if they won't make any later on. Light town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Duk3star - content is mostly NAI, but the vibes feel townie. He must have noticed something in 361 and 374. Need to check into it. Agrees later on in 377. Light town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]erindalc - 224 feels like lover-hunting (idk what to call it). I'd like for them to explain their read on Martin that was based on the last game they played with him where he was scum, as they said in 241. They explained it in 252, but it feels like fence-sitting. Explanation again in 267. If Martin flips red, this guy looks pretty good. If Martin flips green, then I don't really know. In 335, is it possible that they're trying to save Vera, their scum buddy? They haven't really talked to Frag at all, so... (also, is this what you call white-knighting?) I'm currently at closer-to-scum-than-null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]GeneralWu - they keep on talking about Vera, defending her from Frag. This could be a way to get others to town read their scum buddy. If they ever flip red, I'm going to look at Vera. There's also the possibility that Vera is town though. I'll put them as very light town for now, because of their posts' vibes.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]ignoramus - top town[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Kajot - the fact that she's willing to trust others (namely Martin) is quite concerning, in the sense that Martin could manipulate her vote, but I think that it (the trust) feels quite townie. Her posts' vibes feel like coming from a town mindset as well. Light town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Kingslayer - 66 "I'll be happy to answer any of your questions" feels pretty townie. Made a town read on aao; doesn't seem too shabby. Their other posts are NAI, pretty much. Null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]MartinGG99 - made an intro post at 12, involving a town game and a scum game. Feels quite townie. Then he made a post saying that he did that as both alignments, so don't town read him for it. Feels townie again, but others have pointed out that what if it was his goal for us to town read him? Mechanics talk at 17. NAI. 22 feels far too careful come from town perspective. 30 "fair enough" scum tell? Most of his posts are quite long, 232 rubs me the wring way. Closer-to-scum-than-null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Spartan057 - gave reads at 109, then didn't post at all today. Null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Spriggan - they mostly poke and prod at others but doesn't really contribute to anything themselves. If they don't contribute more, especially in the long run, I'm going to be suspicious of them. Closer-to-null-than-scum.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Sunbae - this person is very townie. Might become a town leader, which is good, if he's town. I hate saying this, but if he doesn't die in the next 1-2 nights and/or keeps leading us into mis-eliminations, I'm going to vote him as much as I can. Currently higher town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]SuperMonkeyFace - he feels quite underwhelming, compared to when I played with him before, but he's made content, much more than what I can say about others. I'm just waiting to see if he'll become similar to when I last played with him. Closer-to-null-than-town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]TheFraggernaut - I might be showing bias by immediately thinking he's scum because of our last game together. 126 doesn't seem similar to his entrance post in the last game we played together. 144 is ???. I wouldn't trust using Anniversary meta since players might be making more effort there and stuff. 150 feels quite townie in the "I don't care what you think" kind of way. Posts afterwards were kind of meh. 165 feels like he's hesitating to call someone town. I don't like it. 171 rubs me the wrong way. Why wouldn't you do so, if you were town? 176 = WIFOM. 181 is ???. The townie "I don't care" attitude pops up again, but the "I rather have votes" is weird. Feels a bit too "I need to live"-y. Can't explain. The way he says "just saying," in 185 feels like some attempt to try to appear carefree or something. Other posts seem ~fine again, then 278 comes along. Maybe this could be useful. If he were town, that is. 281 seems like townie paranoia (for lack of better word). The possible scum reading of Martin based on shade in 325 and then 327 feels weird. He responded in 387, saying that it felt like it came from a town perspective. As I look at it, it kind of does. I have to agree with him in 360, since when we were scum together, he wasn't very "I want to be in the spot light", if that makes sense. I NEED to know: how has Vera been talking like she knew Frag was town??? 400 is . @TheFraggernaut please explain 400. 412 "did you rand wolf again this game?" feels like naive town, if you ask me. Other posts feel NAI. Is it possible to be in anti-spew mode on D1? If yes, then this guy is probably doing it. Closer-to-scum-than-null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Vera - it would be great if she could explain 319, because it might help me to solve her, even a little. If Frag flipped red, then she'd look better. Her reactions to Frag's tunnel feels townie. If he flips green, I'd want to look at her again, especially because of Duk3star's 361. Light town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]WerewolfHunter - her posts from 73 to 106 are NAI. 110 actually feels quite townie, especially since she hasn't done anything AI of any kind. 343 started to ring alarms in my head, but then I remembered that she did that before, and she was town. I don't know why, but 453 rubs me the wrong way. Is this what you call LAMIST? Other posts seemed ~fine, then 495 "I like that you felt I had a good response" I'm not very sure whether or not that'd come from a town perspective. Focuses on herself quite a bit. Closer-to-null-than-town.
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    Is it possible for dead town to spew other players as town? I know that scum could do it, but I want to know if town can. I feel that it's going to help me form reads better.
    Lendunistus said something was wrong so the cop did not get their n0 until today. I can try and find that post

  46. ISO #2346
    well rereading that ignoramus reads list he questions both martin and erin.. and 1 of those would have been his n0 so it doesn't matter

    doesn't seem like a seer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lendunistus (#2076)
    Due to an issue with Modbot preventing the n0 peek from reaching the cop in the first place, a new peek has been sent to the Cop.

    here's the post again. Don't know how to do as specific post otherwise

  48. ISO #2348
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#2345)
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2344)
    does anyone know if martin is n0, insomnia n1, eric n2? @ignoramus did you clarify?

    Ignoramus claim:
    Martin village
    Insomnia wolf
    Eric villager

    MartinGG99 - made an intro post at 12, involving a town game and a scum game. Feels quite townie. Then he made a post saying that he did that as both alignments, so don't town read him for it. Feels townie again, but others have pointed out that what if it was his goal for us to town read him? Mechanics talk at 17. NAI. 22 feels far too careful come from town perspective. 30 "fair enough" scum tell? Most of his posts are quite long, 232 rubs me the wring way. Closer-to-scum-than-null.

    if martin was n0 than this read on d1 makes no sense

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#521)
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    aao - the frustrated vibe that comes from their later posts feel quite townie. 38 is (probably) RVS vote, so NAI. Otherwise, null. I need more, kind sir.
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    [FONT="]an_gorta_pratai - null. I need more as well.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Chimaira - their paranoia in 19 feels townie to me. The asking questions also feels townie, but the lack of reads is concerning, especially if they won't make any later on. Light town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Duk3star - content is mostly NAI, but the vibes feel townie. He must have noticed something in 361 and 374. Need to check into it. Agrees later on in 377. Light town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]erindalc - 224 feels like lover-hunting (idk what to call it). I'd like for them to explain their read on Martin that was based on the last game they played with him where he was scum, as they said in 241. They explained it in 252, but it feels like fence-sitting. Explanation again in 267. If Martin flips red, this guy looks pretty good. If Martin flips green, then I don't really know. In 335, is it possible that they're trying to save Vera, their scum buddy? They haven't really talked to Frag at all, so... (also, is this what you call white-knighting?) I'm currently at closer-to-scum-than-null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]GeneralWu - they keep on talking about Vera, defending her from Frag. This could be a way to get others to town read their scum buddy. If they ever flip red, I'm going to look at Vera. There's also the possibility that Vera is town though. I'll put them as very light town for now, because of their posts' vibes.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]ignoramus - top town[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Kajot - the fact that she's willing to trust others (namely Martin) is quite concerning, in the sense that Martin could manipulate her vote, but I think that it (the trust) feels quite townie. Her posts' vibes feel like coming from a town mindset as well. Light town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Kingslayer - 66 "I'll be happy to answer any of your questions" feels pretty townie. Made a town read on aao; doesn't seem too shabby. Their other posts are NAI, pretty much. Null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]MartinGG99 - made an intro post at 12, involving a town game and a scum game. Feels quite townie. Then he made a post saying that he did that as both alignments, so don't town read him for it. Feels townie again, but others have pointed out that what if it was his goal for us to town read him? Mechanics talk at 17. NAI. 22 feels far too careful come from town perspective. 30 "fair enough" scum tell? Most of his posts are quite long, 232 rubs me the wring way. Closer-to-scum-than-null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Spartan057 - gave reads at 109, then didn't post at all today. Null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Spriggan - they mostly poke and prod at others but doesn't really contribute to anything themselves. If they don't contribute more, especially in the long run, I'm going to be suspicious of them. Closer-to-null-than-scum.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Sunbae - this person is very townie. Might become a town leader, which is good, if he's town. I hate saying this, but if he doesn't die in the next 1-2 nights and/or keeps leading us into mis-eliminations, I'm going to vote him as much as I can. Currently higher town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]SuperMonkeyFace - he feels quite underwhelming, compared to when I played with him before, but he's made content, much more than what I can say about others. I'm just waiting to see if he'll become similar to when I last played with him. Closer-to-null-than-town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]TheFraggernaut - I might be showing bias by immediately thinking he's scum because of our last game together. 126 doesn't seem similar to his entrance post in the last game we played together. 144 is ???. I wouldn't trust using Anniversary meta since players might be making more effort there and stuff. 150 feels quite townie in the "I don't care what you think" kind of way. Posts afterwards were kind of meh. 165 feels like he's hesitating to call someone town. I don't like it. 171 rubs me the wrong way. Why wouldn't you do so, if you were town? 176 = WIFOM. 181 is ???. The townie "I don't care" attitude pops up again, but the "I rather have votes" is weird. Feels a bit too "I need to live"-y. Can't explain. The way he says "just saying," in 185 feels like some attempt to try to appear carefree or something. Other posts seem ~fine again, then 278 comes along. Maybe this could be useful. If he were town, that is. 281 seems like townie paranoia (for lack of better word). The possible scum reading of Martin based on shade in 325 and then 327 feels weird. He responded in 387, saying that it felt like it came from a town perspective. As I look at it, it kind of does. I have to agree with him in 360, since when we were scum together, he wasn't very "I want to be in the spot light", if that makes sense. I NEED to know: how has Vera been talking like she knew Frag was town??? 400 is . @TheFraggernaut please explain 400. 412 "did you rand wolf again this game?" feels like naive town, if you ask me. Other posts feel NAI. Is it possible to be in anti-spew mode on D1? If yes, then this guy is probably doing it. Closer-to-scum-than-null.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]Vera - it would be great if she could explain 319, because it might help me to solve her, even a little. If Frag flipped red, then she'd look better. Her reactions to Frag's tunnel feels townie. If he flips green, I'd want to look at her again, especially because of Duk3star's 361. Light town.[/FONT]
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    [FONT="]WerewolfHunter - her posts from 73 to 106 are NAI. 110 actually feels quite townie, especially since she hasn't done anything AI of any kind. 343 started to ring alarms in my head, but then I remembered that she did that before, and she was town. I don't know why, but 453 rubs me the wrong way. Is this what you call LAMIST? Other posts seemed ~fine, then 495 "I like that you felt I had a good response" I'm not very sure whether or not that'd come from a town perspective. Focuses on herself quite a bit. Closer-to-null-than-town.
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    Is it possible for dead town to spew other players as town? I know that scum could do it, but I want to know if town can. I feel that it's going to help me form reads better.
    Lendunistus said something was wrong so the cop did not get their n0 until today. I can try and find that post
    I can understand that for insomnia because he subbed in..

    I would wonder why ignoramus wouldn't have questioned where tf his n0 was since he started the game as a seer.. if he is the seer

  49. ISO #2349
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#2347)
    Quote Originally Posted by lendunistus (#2076)
    Due to an issue with Modbot preventing the n0 peek from reaching the cop in the first place, a new peek has been sent to the Cop.

    here's the post again. Don't know how to do as specific post otherwise
    I have confused face.. day 3 the cop is figuring out he never got his n0 :S:S

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    I'll forget about n0/day1 stuff then. sod2 should be better for n1 peek analysis/confirming

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