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    Romeo & Juliet Day 3 Votecount

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    6 Spartan057 aao (51), Spriggan (83), MartinGG99 (131), WerewolfHunter (73), SuperMonkeyFace (62), an_gorta_pratai (17)
    3 insomnia Duk3star (63), erindalc (40), ignoramus (54)
    1 erindalc insomnia (60)
    2 Not voting Phoenix13 (11), Spartan057 (14)

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    Really wanna start a CFD but idk how

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2450)
    Btw, to everyone,

    Tomorrow it will be 6 votes to majority.

    Unless I somehow die to poison, in which case it'll be 5.
    Yep

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2447)
    I'm guessing this is DADV huh
    Not true in this circumstance.

    Whether Spartan is village or wolf it doesn't matter, but having him off the poe list is +EV for the village going in to tomorrow.

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    @Phoenix13 @Spartan057
    10 mins. left

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    Quote Originally Posted by aao (#2454)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2447)
    I'm guessing this is DADV huh
    Not true in this circumstance.

    Whether Spartan is village or wolf it doesn't matter, but having him off the poe list is +EV for the village going in to tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2455)
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    Sorry, I'm here now

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2450)
    Unless I somehow die to poison, in which case it'll be 5.
    Healer needs to heal Martin.
    Healer needs to heal Martin.
    Healer needs to heal Martin.
    Healer needs to heal Martin.
    Healer needs to heal Martin.
    Healer needs to heal Martin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix13 (#2457)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2455)
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    Sorry, I'm here now
    So uh...vote?

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    ##Vote Spartan057

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    « Day 3 Elimination: Spartan057 was Vanilla Town »
    Romeo & Juliet Day 3 Votecount

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    7 Spartan057 aao (53), Spriggan (83), MartinGG99 (131), WerewolfHunter (73), SuperMonkeyFace (62), an_gorta_pratai (17), insomnia (61)
    3 insomnia Duk3star (63), erindalc (40), ignoramus (59)
    2 Not voting Phoenix13 (12), Spartan057 (14)


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    End day at majority is enabled. With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

    Spartan057 was eliminated. They were: Vanilla Town.
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    You are Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.


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    Day 3 ended at 7:52 PM EDT on Saturday, August 1st, 2020.

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    « Night 3 Start »
    Romeo & Juliet Night 3 Start

    Night 3 has begun.

    Please submit your night actions below the thread.

    Night 3 ends at 8:00 AM EDT on Sunday, August 2nd, 2020. There are 1596369660000 remaining.

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    « Day 3 Poison Results: No one died »
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    MartinGG99 has survived the poison.

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    « Night 3 Results: ignoramus was Town Alignment Cop »
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    ignoramus has died. They were: Town Alignment Cop.
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    You are Town Alignment Cop. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Alignment Cop

    As Town Alignment Cop, you have access to the Alignment Inspection Night Action. Alignment Inspection will reveal a target's alignment. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If you do not submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the un-Inspected living players.


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    Night 3 ended at 8:00 AM EDT on Sunday, August 2nd, 2020.

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    « Day 4 Start »
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    @an_gorta_pratai
    @Duk3star
    @erindalc
    @insomnia
    @MartinGG99
    @Phoenix13
    @Spriggan
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    « Night 3 Poisoned: Spriggan
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    Spriggan is poisoned. They will die at the end of the Day if not healed.

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    damn, I really thought Spartan was mafia

    sorry town

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    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#2467)
    damn, I really thought Spartan was mafia

    sorry town
    Who's your check?

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    ##Vote insomnia

    Was really silly they we didnt lynch this when it was obvious that ignoramous was never fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duk3star (#2468)
    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#2467)
    damn, I really thought Spartan was mafia

    sorry town
    Who's your check?

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    so anyways I was at this sawcon convention

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    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#2470)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duk3star (#2468)
    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#2467)
    damn, I really thought Spartan was mafia

    sorry town
    Who's your check?
    I look forward to your cats.

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    So were at 10 (7-3)

    We kill ignoramus (7-2)

    Mafia kill a clear (6-2)

    We wake up with 1 confirmed clear and 2 healers. Thay puts us at (3-3-2)

    If we mislynch we go to (5-2). Mafia kill a clear (4-2). Were at (2-2-2).

    If we mislynch twice go to (3-2) mafia kill a clear we lose (2-2) parity.

    If we hit after mislynching we go to (4-1) mafia kill a clear (3-1) were in f4 (1-2-1) with a clear.

    Tldr: if we hit a mafia outside of insomnia we have 3 lunches if we dont we have 2.

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    My fate was decided upon a click of a button.

    So much power in one's hand - it's unacceptable...

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    I can't stress enough how important it is to ignore any attempts to read into insomnias post AFTER he realized that ignoramus had a red on him. Everything he did/said is WIFOM because he KNEW he was always going to be outted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duk3star (#2476)
    I can't stress enough how important it is to ignore any attempts to read into insomnias post AFTER he realized that ignoramus had a red on him. Everything he did/said is WIFOM because he KNEW he was always going to be outted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#2475)
    My fate was decided upon a click of a button.

    So much power in one's hand - it's unacceptable...
    Tbf cops are the worst in setups because even if you play your $%#! off it doesn't matter. I'd be $%#!ing livid with the "compensation" check as well cause your team probably get eric killed without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duk3star (#2478)
    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#2475)
    My fate was decided upon a click of a button.

    So much power in one's hand - it's unacceptable...
    Tbf cops are the worst in setups because even if you play your $%#! off it doesn't matter. I'd be $%#!ing livid with the "compensation" check as well cause your team probably get eric killed without it.
    Overall I think you played well, I now know to put you on my "dont let AtE persuade you" list of players.

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    Mech Clear:
    erindalc
    MartinGG99


    POE:
    aao
    Spriggan
    WerewolfHunter
    Phoenix13
    an_gorta_pratai
    SuperMonkeyFace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duk3star (#2480)
    Mech Clear:
    erindalc
    MartinGG99


    POE:
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    Spriggan
    WerewolfHunter
    Phoenix13
    an_gorta_pratai
    SuperMonkeyFace
    My POE list is tiered with towniest on the top and scummiest on the bottom.

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    I have slight concerns of an aao/spriggan w/w team because of how aao is insisting that spriggan is SHC. I can see a world would aao led the sunbae kill for the purpose of getting spriggan SHC. I think that's more tinfoil that I need to be this game.


    I think he legitimately believed that lynching outside the claims was mechanically correct. This doesn't clear him because wolves recommend mechanical justifications for their actions all the time. Main reason he is so high is I believe he has high healer equity.


    I dont remember much about this player theyve kinda flew utr however I'm alright with living in the "SHC by sunbae" angle until I am forced to reevaluate.


    I wish this slot was checked because I'm consistently waffling on them. I think their response to frag was super towny but outside of that they've just hopped on whatever leading wagon was available. I kinda wanna give them town cred for their continued misuse of mechanics (referring to messing up MQs and post formatting as mechanics) but I'm sure it's really NAI.


    Trying to do an ISO/reread an hour before EOD with a cop CC feels like a mafia trying to avoid the thread. On the other hand I think mafia want to be present EOD in case the wagons turn on insomnia and they need to push it back off.


    all I know is this person likes to cook a lot. I think they're being miscleared/tr for being transparent. They've zero impact and while I appreciate their honesty it doesnt make it any less wolfy.


    I'll probably pull up more quotes and try to solidy this read more later. Their whole EOD stunk. They basically admitted to thinking insomnia wasn't the cop and even brought up very good points as to how insomnias post were cop indicative but decided to vote off wagon because "better players than I would do this" SMF doesnt feel like the player to blindly sheep. I also didnt like that their activity level skyrocketed on a day that was crucial for mafia to sneak in another mislynch.

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    I'm going on a hike with my family today so I'll be out of pocket for the majority of this day phase.

    I'd be interested in entertaining a world where healer dosen't heal spriggan to see if hes fake poisoned or not. The only difference it makes in the ammount of lynches we have is whether or not we have a confirmed in f3.

    I wonder if the potential of catching a wolf fake poisoning their partner to push them deep is more valuable then a confirmed town in f3.

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    Well played to ignoramus for having 3 live peeks - you've put us in a great position to clsoe out now.

    I still stand by the reasons I mentioned yesterday that lynching outside of the claim is the correct play - there is also the chance that Spartan flips wolf and we are cooking with gas, but nevermind as he was still part of the poe as I explained.

    Insomnia is the lynch today but DO NOT MAJORITY.

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    In case anyone is unaware:

    Healer should continue to be healing all/any poisoned players.
    Healer should continue to be healing all/any poisoned players.
    Healer should continue to be healing all/any poisoned players.
    Healer should continue to be healing all/any poisoned players.
    Healer should continue to be healing all/any poisoned players.

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    well i never expected spartan to flip v there.. and now that igno is confirmed I think even after doing the spartan iso yesterday i would've read that spew as w/w just the same

    duke is in outer space if he thinks im wolfing. I will trust others on him as this is the second game with him that I just think anything he says sounds wolfy. (i think he was v last game.) there's at least a dozen posts I've made that i literally cannot make as a wolf. aao can confirm

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    So, as I make it:

    d4 = 10 players left, 7 village and 3 wolves
    Lynch insomnia
    Healer heals
    NK peeked player

    Then assuming we mislynch every day as a worst case scenario:

    d5 = 8 players, 6 village and 2 wovles
    Lynch villager
    NK villager

    d6 = 6 players, 4 village and 2 wolves = must-lynch
    Lynch villager
    NK villager

    d7 = 4 players, 2 village and 2 wolves = wolves win

    So basically, after today's lynch we have 1 mislynch left before we get to must-lynch.

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    Confirmed village:
    Erindalc – peeked by seer
    MartinGG99 – peeked by seer
    Spriggan – SHC from n1 nk, poisoned d4


    Unconfirmed, poe list:
    aao
    an_gorta_pratai
    Duk3star
    Phoenix13
    SuperMonkeyFace
    WerewolfHunter

    Confirmed wolf:
    insomnia – peeked wolf

    I am still happy to put Spriggan in the confirmed list because of the n1 NK.

    Unconfirmed list is not in any order and I know I am villa so just putting my name in there for transparency for everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duk3star (#2469)
    ##Vote insomnia

    Was really silly they we didnt lynch this when it was obvious that ignoramous was never fake.
    Disagree - it wasn't about whether we believed the claim or not.

    But this is irrelevant now.

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    I need to go read insomnia for spew, but my gut feeling right now on wolf team is:

    insomnia
    an_gorta_pratai
    Phoenix13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duk3star (#2482)
    I have slight concerns of an aao/spriggan w/w team because of how aao is insisting that spriggan is SHC. I can see a world would aao led the sunbae kill for the purpose of getting spriggan SHC. I think that's more tinfoil that I need to be this game.


    I think he legitimately believed that lynching outside the claims was mechanically correct. This doesn't clear him because wolves recommend mechanical justifications for their actions all the time. Main reason he is so high is I believe he has high healer equity.


    I dont remember much about this player theyve kinda flew utr however I'm alright with living in the "SHC by sunbae" angle until I am forced to reevaluate.


    I wish this slot was checked because I'm consistently waffling on them. I think their response to frag was super towny but outside of that they've just hopped on whatever leading wagon was available. I kinda wanna give them town cred for their continued misuse of mechanics (referring to messing up MQs and post formatting as mechanics) but I'm sure it's really NAI.


    Trying to do an ISO/reread an hour before EOD with a cop CC feels like a mafia trying to avoid the thread. On the other hand I think mafia want to be present EOD in case the wagons turn on insomnia and they need to push it back off.


    all I know is this person likes to cook a lot. I think they're being miscleared/tr for being transparent. They've zero impact and while I appreciate their honesty it doesnt make it any less wolfy.


    I'll probably pull up more quotes and try to solidy this read more later. Their whole EOD stunk. They basically admitted to thinking insomnia wasn't the cop and even brought up very good points as to how insomnias post were cop indicative but decided to vote off wagon because "better players than I would do this" SMF doesnt feel like the player to blindly sheep. I also didnt like that their activity level skyrocketed on a day that was crucial for mafia to sneak in another mislynch.
    I put in the work. I dug into both claims and came to my own conclusion and believed igno was for sure cop. still went with lynching outside claim because it was the right thing to do. idk what you're seeing.. still keepnig mislynches in tact?

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    Reading through insomnia at the moment.

    So far he has only posted at/towards or thrown shade at the people who are confirmed villas or dead villas.

    For example:
    erin
    Martin
    Sunbae
    Fragg
    Kajot
    Vera (supporting Fraggs wolf read on Vera)

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    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#831)
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#824)
    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#822)
    Quote Originally Posted by Vera (#817)
    That post has nothing to do with this game and is being taken out of context. I never once said "I KNOW he's town"
    I never said you actually said it - I said that this is the way the post comes across as in terms of what you're thinking. The mindset behind a post and the way you went about it screams "This is town" and you're a wolf not knowing how to handle this conflict because it looks all silly to you.

    Basically pinned for the wrong reasons.
    I don't know why but I feel this wording is confusing for me to understand it
    Wolves are often pinned for the wrong reasons and they don't know how to react to pushes on them, especially from their town leans.

    I believe this is how a wolf that's found for the wrong reasons is reacting to someone that they put on as a villager lean.
    WWH on insomnia and then insomnia's reply.

    Willing to give WWH some villa points for calling out insomnia here, especially based on insomnia's reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#2491)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duk3star (#2482)
    I have slight concerns of an aao/spriggan w/w team because of how aao is insisting that spriggan is SHC. I can see a world would aao led the sunbae kill for the purpose of getting spriggan SHC. I think that's more tinfoil that I need to be this game.


    I think he legitimately believed that lynching outside the claims was mechanically correct. This doesn't clear him because wolves recommend mechanical justifications for their actions all the time. Main reason he is so high is I believe he has high healer equity.


    I dont remember much about this player theyve kinda flew utr however I'm alright with living in the "SHC by sunbae" angle until I am forced to reevaluate.


    I wish this slot was checked because I'm consistently waffling on them. I think their response to frag was super towny but outside of that they've just hopped on whatever leading wagon was available. I kinda wanna give them town cred for their continued misuse of mechanics (referring to messing up MQs and post formatting as mechanics) but I'm sure it's really NAI.


    Trying to do an ISO/reread an hour before EOD with a cop CC feels like a mafia trying to avoid the thread. On the other hand I think mafia want to be present EOD in case the wagons turn on insomnia and they need to push it back off.


    all I know is this person likes to cook a lot. I think they're being miscleared/tr for being transparent. They've zero impact and while I appreciate their honesty it doesnt make it any less wolfy.


    I'll probably pull up more quotes and try to solidy this read more later. Their whole EOD stunk. They basically admitted to thinking insomnia wasn't the cop and even brought up very good points as to how insomnias post were cop indicative but decided to vote off wagon because "better players than I would do this" SMF doesnt feel like the player to blindly sheep. I also didnt like that their activity level skyrocketed on a day that was crucial for mafia to sneak in another mislynch.
    I put in the work. I dug into both claims and came to my own conclusion and believed igno was for sure cop. still went with lynching outside claim because it was the right thing to do. idk what you're seeing.. still keepnig mislynches in tact?
    This is oddly defensive considering the threadstate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#1179)
    I liked SMF's posting w/r/t his Frag read and generally think he wouldn't be treating Frag's slot the way he did if he were a wolf here.

    Ime he generally is the UTR wolf and the exact opposite as a town

    However, if he does flip wolf, this is an interesting post to remember :

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace (#842)
    wait.. maybe it was martin, not spartan.. getting a few players mixed up i think
    This is never a wolf with these two people. Wolves only remember their partner's names and the others are villagers to them. Wolves are more likely to mix up villagers because they can't remember villager's names properly - they only remember their partner's names.

    I wouldn't push SMF for the next few phases. Think he's in his villager meta.
    This is clearning somewhat for SuperMonkeyFace too.

    What does it for me is insomnia's use of "...for the next few phases" as if to leave him on the table for a vote if need be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aao (#2493)
    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#831)
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#824)
    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#822)
    I never said you actually said it - I said that this is the way the post comes across as in terms of what you're thinking. The mindset behind a post and the way you went about it screams "This is town" and you're a wolf not knowing how to handle this conflict because it looks all silly to you.

    Basically pinned for the wrong reasons.
    I don't know why but I feel this wording is confusing for me to understand it
    Wolves are often pinned for the wrong reasons and they don't know how to react to pushes on them, especially from their town leans.

    I believe this is how a wolf that's found for the wrong reasons is reacting to someone that they put on as a villager lean.
    WWH on insomnia and then insomnia's reply.

    Willing to give WWH some villa points for calling out insomnia here, especially based on insomnia's reply.
    Was this before or after insomnia reacted to ignoramus' softer red.

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    I really think its inadvisable to read for interactions after the ignoramus soft. I dont know insomnia very well but he seems competent enough to start anti-spewing before he hard claimed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duk3star (#2496)
    Quote Originally Posted by aao (#2493)
    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#831)
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#824)
    I don't know why but I feel this wording is confusing for me to understand it
    Wolves are often pinned for the wrong reasons and they don't know how to react to pushes on them, especially from their town leans.

    I believe this is how a wolf that's found for the wrong reasons is reacting to someone that they put on as a villager lean.
    WWH on insomnia and then insomnia's reply.

    Willing to give WWH some villa points for calling out insomnia here, especially based on insomnia's reply.
    Was this before or after insomnia reacted to ignoramus' softer red.
    No idea as it is an iso read purely on insomnia.

    It is around 850ish so assume it is around d2-ish.

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    Actually, I've just come across the ignoramus/insomnia stuff now around post 1392.

    So it was before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#1427)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chimaira (#1425)
    @insomnia, why are you losing your $%#! and outing yourself with only two votes on you?
    I'm not losing my $%#!, I knew the check was fake anyway.

    My fake claiming PR was because it's the easiest way to determine a town reaction from a wolf reaction.

    If he's scum - he will keep on pushing ; he flips red and then I get nk'd as VT

    If he's town - he'll back up looking like a fool - which he absolutely should feel like
    This is the first time Chimaira/Phoenix is quoted by insomnia and it was during the time of the villa PR claims of insomnia.

    Not sure what to make of it, but my head is currently thinking that wolf-Chimaira is trying to tell wolf-insomnia to calm down and stop outing himself.

    I think that a village-Chimaira is more likely to get involved in the discussion and give an opinion rather than telling someone to calm down.

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