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    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#3248)
    Good eye on calling me out, @Chelsea
    At least I got one ;-;

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    GGWP scum.

    Worst game I've had in years, damn. Sorry Chelsea/Dunn.

    orangeandblack, Psycho, jumpluff, Logic and SmartBomb are all honorary SF in my eyes.

    Thanks for host SmartBomb.

    It was nice seeing everyone and I'd be down for another whenever. 'Til then, swag out.

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    thanks logic for subbing in for me after real life overwhelmed me

    unfortunate the game's activity went the day it did

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    Y'all seem pretty cool

    Hopefully I get to see y'all again in a game I can, like, actually play lmao

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    Game went kinda off the rails bc of SF!townactivity, but was fun to play again if only for a bit. Would definitely be down to play another

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    ggs

    was hopeful for end but alas

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    Biggest thanks to @Athena for being the perfect D1 wagon. We couldn't have done it without you.

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    @Athena_57 even

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#3258)
    @Athena_57 even
    Let's just tag @Architect Athena while we're at it.

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    You had me on the run and I thought I was losing this game. You guys deserve a raise.

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    Subs were awesome

    I'm sorry guys i couldn't solve this game alone

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    rip I haven't even drunk my morning tea lol

    I think we would've lost today anyways because I was getting talked into going Chelsea first and was convinced it was a good idea independently. sorry Chelsea (and Psycho for even doubting you but that's a respect thing more than anything)

    Paperblade you played an incredibly good game when you were active, incredibly formidable to even think about your slot like that. Logic did a pretty good job of unsuspiciously inheriting your slot, but I have to assume Mak helped there too to give credit. Your recovery from D1/2 was amazing Mak and your post to me was incredibly pure tonally

    was a real pleasure to play with everyone after I subbed in though so I don't regret it at all. a big reason for me to sub in other than caring about serenes and a lot of the dead players was to get to play with some of the people itg. just sad I couldn't win with Psycho because I've, from watching prev games, had a feeling we're similar players who think similarly and to get there together would've been pretty great

    I'm really sorry about letting you die woopons, I have trouble telling my self-doubt apart from real doubt

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    Yeah jump you and psycho and oab were great, a bit too late just in terms of timing but it was making me regain my spirits

    I can't help but blame myself still regardless

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    extremely wp by all the wolves but special shoutout to pb for hard bamboozling me

    mak also played v well but i think the fact that i'm super willing to accept your moon logic as coming from town!mak is potentially something to be worked on lmao

    thanks to everyone who played/subbed in, was super glad that this thing actually happened even amidst a rocky midgame

    there will be more to come, for sure

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    hey all

    not much to say that isn't already obvious. paperblade said something kind of spewy in an off-site game that duskfall had access to so that sub wasn't available, unfortunately

    Feel like I could've done better in getting SF or SF-alternate subs and that's on me even ignoring the stated activity. Thanks so much to @jumpluff @Psycho666Soldier @Logic @orangeandblack5 for subbing in to a different community's game haha, as well as @BBM for subbing in even though he was busy at work for the day he subbed in. A few others from MU offered subs and I'm sorry for not accepting them, it was bad timing/responsiveness and yeah.

    Lot of the town apathy I'm sure came from having all PRs outed/dead by N1, which I'm sure didn't help. I hope the game was some amount of enjoyable. :bow:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#3264)
    extremely wp by all the wolves but special shoutout to pb for hard bamboozling me

    mak also played v well but i think the fact that i'm super willing to accept your moon logic as coming from town!mak is potentially something to be worked on lmao

    thanks to everyone who played/subbed in, was super glad that this thing actually happened even amidst a rocky midgame

    there will be more to come, for sure
    I think I did a good job emulating my town game, so don't feel bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmartBomb (#3265)
    hey all

    not much to say that isn't already obvious. paperblade said something kind of spewy in an off-site game that duskfall had access to so that sub wasn't available, unfortunately

    Feel like I could've done better in getting SF or SF-alternate subs and that's on me even ignoring the stated activity. Thanks so much to @jumpluff @Psycho666Soldier @Logic @orangeandblack5 for subbing in to a different community's game haha, as well as @BBM for subbing in even though he was busy at work for the day he subbed in. A few others from MU offered subs and I'm sorry for not accepting them, it was bad timing/responsiveness and yeah.

    Lot of the town apathy I'm sure came from having all PRs outed/dead by N1, which I'm sure didn't help. I hope the game was some amount of enjoyable. :bow:
    You did a great job of finding subs. Thank you for hosting the game

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    This game wouldn't have been the same without an amazing sub game. Subs should never be underestimated, mark my words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supa2 (#3263)
    Yeah jump you and psycho and oab were great, a bit too late just in terms of timing but it was making me regain my spirits

    I can't help but blame myself still regardless
    Where do you think you went wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmartBomb (#3265)
    hey all

    not much to say that isn't already obvious. paperblade said something kind of spewy in an off-site game that duskfall had access to so that sub wasn't available, unfortunately

    Feel like I could've done better in getting SF or SF-alternate subs and that's on me even ignoring the stated activity. Thanks so much to @jumpluff @Psycho666Soldier @Logic @orangeandblack5 for subbing in to a different community's game haha, as well as @BBM for subbing in even though he was busy at work for the day he subbed in. A few others from MU offered subs and I'm sorry for not accepting them, it was bad timing/responsiveness and yeah.

    Lot of the town apathy I'm sure came from having all PRs outed/dead by N1, which I'm sure didn't help. I hope the game was some amount of enjoyable. :bow:
    thank you for hosting!!

    and smogmafia and serenesmafia are kinda like sister or cousin communities even tho i never played on serenes so i didn't rly consider it to be extra-community tbh
    @supa2 I have the same philosophy as you of wanting to win as a team, of wanting to trust my towncore and being less interested in winning games where I would have had to solo hero it, but still beating myself up when I'm wrong and make mistakes

    I literally bookmarked a post you made to me and ria about the first part

    this was a rough game for town to have any cohesion but we still did well from the position we were in. there was no real towncore except you and amy in huge part due to the inactivity and NKs, but we were able to trust you when we subbed in and that was so crucial for catching up. with more time and slightly lower stakes maybe we get there

    and I would play with you again

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    ME AND PSYCHO*

    dude this game $%#!ed with my head i literalyl think of psycho and ria interchangeably now WHY

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    Is there a link to the gy?

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    the discord link is in the graveyard link, which is in the modbot post at game's end

    will we get to know some about NKs?

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    i didn’t have fun but i don’t really blame anyone for that but myself. i think it was overly optimistic of me to think i would’ve enjoyed this. gave it a shot until i couldn’t really deal with it anymore. thanks @Psycho666Soldier for taking my spot

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    ood game everyone! scumteam really worked well this game imo was fun playing with you guys

    Quote Originally Posted by jumpluff (#3273)
    the discord link is in the graveyard link, which is in the modbot post at game's end

    will we get to know some about NKs?
    the NKs were designed to be sensible while avoiding NKing obvtowns as much as we could
    we nk’d marth n1 because they were towny enough to make sense as a nk
    but the more people we killed out of the towncore (amy/supa/dunn) the more likely the pb slot would be sussed for “surviving too long”
    the orange nk was done because of my tmi on that slot, making it another “sensible” nk

    hope that makes sense

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    Awww, what the $%#! happened?

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    If anyone cares I'll write up a few things summarizing my feelings towards the game and what went wrong

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    $%#!ing walrus, lol

    gg wolves. I was very sold on Makaze in that last phase, and I don't think anything was changing my mind on voting there first. But Logic would have been tough. I was starting to see where Chelsea could be town, and then I kept thinking about how Logic had all night to do something and openly was like, "Sorry, distracted with Pokemon," and I was playing with that world a bit. But I didn't feel good about it at all, and I'm not sure if I would have brought it up.

    For real, though, good job, Makaze. For probably feeling a bit cornered, you played your $%#! off and kept selling the wolf agenda. Admittedly, your posts this phase made me second guess a bit. Would love to play again.

    Big ups to @supa2 and @jumpluff for working with me and justifying my feeling to just towncore you two. jump in particular, I felt like we were working well together and were seeing a lot of the same things.

    Sorry I was wrong on you, Chelsea. But, I guess not too sorry considering the events lol.

    woopons, really sorry that went down the way it did. If my internet/MU wasn't being so weird for me that EOD, I might have swapped back to Chelsea(even if it didn't matter at that point). I felt you showed a surprising amount of WIM during that last phase.

    Good game everybody, and I would love to play with those I got to play with again. As well as some of those that were gone before I subbed in.

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    If anyone should be Apologizing it should be me for not looking harder at other people (even if I did read Makaze/PB iso about 3 times) I can't tell if I had bias when reading their isos but I was just pretty fooled by Makaze. It seems we each had 1 wolf but couldn't find the other. Ah well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmartBomb (#3265)
    hey all

    not much to say that isn't already obvious. paperblade said something kind of spewy in an off-site game that duskfall had access to so that sub wasn't available, unfortunately

    Feel like I could've done better in getting SF or SF-alternate subs and that's on me even ignoring the stated activity. Thanks so much to @jumpluff @Psycho666Soldier @Logic @orangeandblack5 for subbing in to a different community's game haha, as well as @BBM for subbing in even though he was busy at work for the day he subbed in. A few others from MU offered subs and I'm sorry for not accepting them, it was bad timing/responsiveness and yeah.

    Lot of the town apathy I'm sure came from having all PRs outed/dead by N1, which I'm sure didn't help. I hope the game was some amount of enjoyable. :bow:
    I was happy to do it. The game even got me to break my declaration to Ara that "I'm probably gonna play pretty low-key and YOLO-like because I'm in the mood for that right now lol."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ariadne (#3274)
    i didn’t have fun but i don’t really blame anyone for that but myself. i think it was overly optimistic of me to think i would’ve enjoyed this. gave it a shot until i couldn’t really deal with it anymore. thanks @Psycho666Soldier for taking my spot
    No problem. I had fun. I'm sorry it wasn't the same for you, but thanks for giving me the opportunity to sub into a game I enjoyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chelsea (#3279)
    If anyone should be Apologizing it should be me for not looking harder at other people (even if I did read Makaze/PB iso about 3 times) I can't tell if I had bias when reading their isos but I was just pretty fooled by Makaze. It seems we each had 1 wolf but couldn't find the other. Ah well!
    I feel decent that I came to the realization that Mak could be a wolf with you being town, but yeah, I'm not sure if I would have been able to steer my focus away from you in an F3. So, either way, we both were incorrect enough for it to matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by fairyjigglypuff (#3275)
    ood game everyone! scumteam really worked well this game imo was fun playing with you guys

    Quote Originally Posted by jumpluff (#3273)
    the discord link is in the graveyard link, which is in the modbot post at game's end

    will we get to know some about NKs?
    the NKs were designed to be sensible while avoiding NKing obvtowns as much as we could
    we nk’d marth n1 because they were towny enough to make sense as a nk
    but the more people we killed out of the towncore (amy/supa/dunn) the more likely the pb slot would be sussed for “surviving too long”
    the orange nk was done because of my tmi on that slot, making it another “sensible” nk

    hope that makes sense
    ya i was afraid of that wrt paper but then supa died so i was a bit relieved. i think the kills were sensible and effective

    thank you and grats on the win!

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    supa I would read and if it helps you decompress I say go for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier (#3278)
    $%#!ing walrus, lol

    gg wolves. I was very sold on Makaze in that last phase, and I don't think anything was changing my mind on voting there first. But Logic would have been tough. I was starting to see where Chelsea could be town, and then I kept thinking about how Logic had all night to do something and openly was like, "Sorry, distracted with Pokemon," and I was playing with that world a bit. But I didn't feel good about it at all, and I'm not sure if I would have brought it up.

    For real, though, good job, Makaze. For probably feeling a bit cornered, you played your $%#! off and kept selling the wolf agenda. Admittedly, your posts this phase made me second guess a bit. Would love to play again.

    Big ups to @supa2 and @jumpluff for working with me and justifying my feeling to just towncore you two. jump in particular, I felt like we were working well together and were seeing a lot of the same things.

    Sorry I was wrong on you, Chelsea. But, I guess not too sorry considering the events lol.

    woopons, really sorry that went down the way it did. If my internet/MU wasn't being so weird for me that EOD, I might have swapped back to Chelsea(even if it didn't matter at that point). I felt you showed a surprising amount of WIM during that last phase.

    Good game everybody, and I would love to play with those I got to play with again. As well as some of those that were gone before I subbed in.
    Likewise. My case on you was based on real things. You wasted a lot of time and effort on wagonomics and then dropped it an cleared jump for bad reasons, even if you were right. But you were on to me so I had to adapt my strategy and I'm glad that it worked even if it didn't matter in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supa2 (#3277)
    If anyone cares I'll write up a few things summarizing my feelings towards the game and what went wrong
    i love postgame analyses

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    I lost my entire analysis accidently closing the page siiigh

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    That's karma and maybe indicative of what happened. It wasn't meant to be and I can't force a good outcome. The tl;dr was town became deflated over time and the game lost a necessary dynamic between players. We became too complicit and I somehow got thrust upon the role of towncore guy and it really pressured me to perform to the point where I was dm'ing smartbomb of my frustrations

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    Complicit not the right word I meant complacent. Scum didn't need to write any narratives we already did it for them. All they had to do was follow along until they won. Nobody was really fact checking which makes just agreeing with your townreads a dangerous game because if they're wrong then like

    You're wrong with them too. Even worse if your townread is scum. That was another thing that went bad. Replacements really helped but yeah I still feel like it just happened too late to really turn the game around. I think the argumentative process is one of the healthiest things the game can have in moderation, like that's what makes D1 so telling in general. You don't just have one perspective you have many and then it becomes a game of figuring which ones will lead town to victory. The game became too set in it's ways and that D1 dynamic that made the game so exciting just became lost.

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    Here is a nice timeline of events for the people at home:

    D1 Normal SF game
    D2 Inactive SF game
    D3 Dead SF game
    D4 Dead game
    D5 MU game feat. SF

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    ggs guys. Sorry for my low activity and attitude about it EoD3. I'm probably not going to join large games like this again, but I did have fun for most of this one, so I might join a smaller game if it happens and time works out for me.

    @SmartBomb : Thanks for hosting! I think looking for subs is always a mess in SF-games, so please don't beat yourself up over it.

    @Ampharos : Thanks for all the work you put into making this game happen and then being town mvp on top of that.

    @supa2 : Since I was probably a relevant component in tilting you this game, I'm really sorry.

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