like I don't know how you find it weird that I'd expect someone who plays enough to be well-known on the site to have faced pressure as town more recently
like I don't know how you find it weird that I'd expect someone who plays enough to be well-known on the site to have faced pressure as town more recently
Read me as whatever you want to, but have actual grounds for the reads. I want to know more about your thoughts and to find you towny/making sense for being you, because its falling a bit short rn
it also seems weird to me because i've been talking about most of these reads for a bit and this is the first time you've picked up on it
Mist - Her emotion has felt very honest.
SPF - I agree with almost everything she says, either initially or upon being convinced after reading it. I can’t imagine a wolf being able to fool me this badly.
Monkey - I see honesty in her reads. I see no agenda (ftr, I always mean this as “wolf agenda”) in her pushes either. She’s honest about her wolf meta (at least as of a few years back) to a group of players who largely don’t know it. I sense her honest frustration.
Sloonei - Doing his Sloontown thing. The accusations against him largely fall flat because they’re about him defending wolf partners me (and I know I’m town) and Jay (who I townread).
Jay - Generally attempting to do his Jay town leading thing. Taking townies out of the box.
Radishes - General treatment of Shep and attitude feels townie.
Dizzy - Felt legit excited to play. Particularly with Jimmy, who I am not a fan of playing with when he’s town and I’m a wolf. Generally feels like town Dizzy.
Shep - Feels like the same slightly disconnected townShep from semis
Arrette - Townie tone. Nothing pinging me in her iso. She’s probably been consensus locktowned too easily but is quiet enough she’ll be re-evaluated if needed.
Hally - I haven’t interacted with Hally much but none of their posts have pinged me. Feels at least minimally solvey.
TORN (give X another day)
Phighter - There are compelling reasons to scumread and townread him. I’m not super worried about potential scumPhighter being in a winning position after this D1.
Dobby - I don’t really know what to do with Dobby. I disagree with lots of their reads and there’s a bunch of emotion and frustration I don’t understand (contrast Jay and Monkey).
Dya - Basically hate all her self defense and her pushes against me. Potential tmi slip on my alignment. Late day spontaneous generation of Michelle as a scumread and pointing to it as self defense is bad. Seems way madder here than in the game she linked where she was chopped D1.
Michelle - Wolf Michelle struggles to generate content more than town Michelle. She’s been absent. I don’t see the shiny, solvey, observant town Michelle I want to see.
Bleh $%#! my formatting.
I’m sorry for $%#!ing up Dy’s pronouns all game. I thought I knew them and hadn’t checked.
don't dislike that jack list
but I've also been reasonably fine with dya's response to jack, especially comparing sf1 and the game they linked earlier
but if they're both villagers then what am I doing wrong
I think I am arriving at a more comfortable town read on Phighter. His harping on the point about my earliest prods of him strikes me as a civilian who was irked by something at the beginning of the game and can't move past it. Kinda like how I have been with him. We're a perfect match.
I've also just been scanning Arete because I've hardly registered them at all this game. I think they look good. Their progression on Dizzy especially looks like something that a wolf has no reason to fake. Starts as a light suspect and eventually moves toward a more positive read without anyone ever asking for any updates.
The thought I am coming back to as I try to decide where my vote belongs today (I only have about 3 more hours) is my investigation into the push on me, and why it did not actually take off beyond the two players who generated it. After my previous two games in this tournament, I'd expect the mafia team to be happy to seize an opportunity to get rid of me (toot toot), but when two players, both of whom I'd lean town on (Dobby + Phighter), became very vocal Sloonei opponents early/mid-Day 1, the case just kinda sat there limp in the middle of the thread. People talked about it, but it never progressed.
The theory I was toying with at the time (as mentioned in the post) was that at least one Bad Guy had already established a plan to pocket me and thus they were struggling to adjust to the unforeseen suspicion against me. This prompted me to vote for Jack.
Another very surface-level wrinkle to this is that I am a largely known quantity in this roster. We've joked about how this is basically just a Syndicate game. Over half the players in the game have played with me before. 1/3 have known me for a while prior to this tournament. The two players pushing me were not among that group. I think a wolf who knows me would be more wary of pushing on me in that position.
I've dumped all these thoughts out in one post because I'm a little bit scattered right now and am also trying to make my remaining ~30 posts count. These words are not directed at anyone in particular, although I guess the fact that they're coming out in response to a Jay post is a subconscious request that we put our Big Brains together and solve this thing as best we can here and now. That hasn't really happened yet. Why hasn't that happened yet?
I don't know maybe that is a bad list
The Phighter read is underdeveloped, I don't really think there's much behind the sloonei/jay ones other than "doing the sloonei/jay" thing, the Michelle read feels easy and I kinda just disagree with the dya one
Like, until Carlos joatclaimed sf1 I was towncored by everyone. It was deliberate. After the claim, I had to attempt something. To me it's a pretty drastic change of approach I've got this game whis has got close to everyone not understanding how I'm playing the game, or scumleaning me, and pretty much nobody caring to include me in their seven. I honestly kinda want to say that I know how to play the game to look good, except I'm not doing it here, nowhere near it. I'm interested in figuring it out so I will do what I think will help me with that. When it comes to "how you should be reading me" I've had like a lot of ppl saying I'm talking too much about how I'm approaching this game, I'm sure you'll find stuff there if you look
thinking on it more I don't like that he has two people he said he was going to be paranoid about in his top town tier with kinda lackluster explanations
Season 7, Finale: End of the Line [The Mafia Championship] Day 1 Votecount
Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase) 4 Michelle Sheppard (122), JaggedJimmyJay (144), staypositivefriend (111), Jackofhearts2005 (147) 4 Jackofhearts2005 hey_monkey (143), dyachei (100), Phighter (142), Chemist1422 (106) 2 JaggedJimmyJay Michelle (26), Dyslexicon (87) 1 Sloonei roro__b (127) 1 Chemist1422 Sloonei (123) 1 roro__b Arete (72) 2 Not voting Hally (66), Master Radishes (69)
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Day 1 ends at 7:00 PM EDT on Wednesday, September 16th, 2020. There are 1600297260000 remaining.
Please understand that I’ve played with these players for several years.
Is there any part of your suspicion on me that you want me to address.
A few minutes ago, you liked my readlist. I’m not sure what changed. :-/
So i started off on the wrong foot because reasons and i will not insist on this.
Deja-vu things that happened:
- I think mafia!Jay pushed me based on the idea that i am LHF. they were expressing pretty early I have to be wolf for lol meta reasons
- townies who knows me best are dissapointed because i am not the easy read Michelle they are used to. Now i have to find them. I think one is Phighter, i already said why.
- i played at bad hours last night to try to connect myself to the game and i received a ton of Ate after an interaction with Roro. This brings me in memory my december hydra game and a recent game at MTGS where i freeze at accusation of violent play as villager. I play to enjoy the game, as the main reason to play. The slightest idea that someone/anyone can not have fun playing with me is depressing me. This is Ate, but mafia is like 1/3 pure emotion and I am expressing it to show my current state. Anyone who is cold like a brick is not a real mafioso, is just a posting machine.
Now i will ISO Chemist - my first game with them, Mentor/Mentee game january 2019, i saw mafia Chem few times, he saw mafia me few times, we rand in almost all mafia roles in our games, turbos, mashes, normal games, Champs G11 season 6 too.
Fluffing until P#181, Chem said a common sense thing
'maybe it's because i came from a wolf win in my semifinal but i think pretty much everyone here is a super capable wolf and trying to townclear tons of people a half hour into the game is a recipe for disaster'
expressing worry for the gamestate. Post feels genuine for me, why would a wolf point out a disaster?
P#207 - shows a prudent approach, and a real thought imo
P#362 ordering players - this is not a bad thing, i consider this not really AI. What i like at that post is the last line. What usefulness has for wolf!Chem to say 'i may or may not have replaced hally with monkey and had to fix it after i realized hally wasn't in there'
P#372 if Chem is wolf he may support a teammate here in Dizzy or pocket villa!Dizzy 'i do think he could fake enthusiasm as a wolf here but i don't think he's doing that, '
but in the same time that thought can be a genuine read and i think is the latest.
P#376 - pointing out some faking paranoia in Jack's posts (i need to Iso Jack)
In P#409 Chem shows how Jay is universally TR and no one pushes him.
P#425 TR on Roro for how he was approaching reads
P#431 Chem knows Poe is not perfect, he was in the Poe, I was/am in the Poe as villager countless times.
P#474 to Jay 'i also think the basis of this read could easily be an attempt to establish/further a thread narrative and i dislike it' and P#475 voted Jay - puts the money where the mouth is. I fully agree with this idea.
P#732 sees in Jay's posts an agenda and P#738 explains at Hally's question the train of thoughts regarding Jay 'He's been pushing Phighter for bad reasons and is essentially trying to force his own reads onto the thread using the strategy'
P#745 they see me overwhelmed by the game, i am sorry i gave this impression, is just my lack of play time.
P#781 Chem said they don't have other idea than the posted ones - i think not posting things just to be posted and not feeling the need to flood the thread is a good image.
P#807 i wonder if Chem is accepting Jay pocketing him in P#792 'As it happens I think you're in a decent position to land among The Seven anyway.'
P#883 is a TR on Arete and a non agression pact?
P#896 - Chem shows that they are posting only what they need
P#944 - gamestate post, i think i never did such analysis in day 1, is this a base for associative reads?
p#962 'spf town
P#1142 unvoted Jay and said they have trouble finding scum reads - as question mark, the lack of SRs is the one here but the rest of the ideas show that Chem is preoccupied to solve the game.
P#1192 wants to vig me :/ and prob Dobby/Sloonei - BUT Dobby was TR in P#424, what happened in between @ Chem?
P#1271 keeping posts to not post cap and have an interaction with SPF regarding Shep's AI - shows interest to solve, again
P#1282, P#1288 , P#1354 he shows he wants to sort my slot not to go with a preconceived thing like i felt at Jay for eg.
Tl;dr: I think Chem is villager, and for the possibility i may be wrong, not today is the day to check this.
question: why you said you want to vig me?
Long story short I don't find his posts awful. They sort of just exist, and I cannot find a good reason to say that Jack is town.
1 - i use she/they, not he
2 - i said that i wanted to vig you because i wanted to see who was committed to the push on you, and how much. if i actually had a vig i'd probably holster it in this situation
Sloonei would be less inquisitive. He’d take more of a back seat.
They’d probably not mutually townread each other.
good morning! i’m hyped for my day off! i’m gonna go catch up on what i missed and then do some iso’s. i really want to make the rest of this day count for me because i don’t know the next time that my day off will actually coincide with the day phase. so this may end up being my only chance ever to actually be fully present this game and i intend to use it well
see you all in a little bit!
I mean I literally linked my Iso on Dobby in the post where I voted for them
but more seriously: I did an Iso of Roro and thought it was kinda wolfy, so I voted him
it didn't really have to do with the fact that you were also voting him
The way chemist stops answering my posts makes me want to read her as town because it's just as frustrating as I've perceived her before. I hate it though and want to snapvote her for it
Meh. Shes probably town based on her attitude here but I hate it
I will not answer at any question towards me until i will finish Jack's Iso, i know i have a few, please be patient everyone
And now you’re isoing a player who literally has a single post to reply to you with. It feels like a foregone conclusion what you’re doing.
I'm going to attempt doing irl stuff but I'll also read Jack when I can because I havent done much digging into that slot since our early engagements. I felt decently about him but since hes a top wagon I should tbh. My vote right now is on Michelle in spirit but I dont want to apply more pressure there than necessary so I'll wait with that for now. Might address sloonei in more detail as well at some point today if I get the time but it's not prioritized the way today has evolved. With regards to my seven, I dont think much of where in at will change based on this, these people will probably all remain Poe for me
To be honest my correct N1 guess on Dobby in that game was luck. I found a few of his game-entry posts suspicious and said what the hell. It wasn't until Day 2 that I truly locked in on that read because I thought he responded to the near-confirmed JOAT Carlos in extremely suspicious ways. It's difficult to draw a clear parallel to this game.
@JaggedJimmyJay I am bumfuzzed and a bit uncertain what to do. You appear to be encountering the same predicament. Let's think our way out of this with our thinkiness.
In a few words, how would you summarize this game as it has progressed through Day 1?
What are your most confident reads on either side of the spectrum?
What's the most important thing I've done in this game to help you establish your read on me?
That said, the closer we get to EOD without Radish gears turning the more sus I become of him
could you humor me for a moment? i just want to know what your view of the game would look like if you were able to peek sloonei right now and find out he was a villager. what does that town!sloonei world look like for you?
I'd say I feel good about dizzy after some parts of our exchange last night that I really struggle to see coming from anything but town.
Phighter is still a solid townread for me, but the sloonjay world kind of decides where I go with this. If they're both town that is, and I struggle to see that right now, so phi strong town.
Honestly I want to add hally too. I'm really interested to see how hally/dizzy reads on eachother evolve but both of these did really well for me last night.
Honestly I'm also looking at like MR/shepp/spf tbh. The first two have both had unique approaches to the game. Shapps digging and stuff is really good, and I like that its consistent with the sf2 play. MR would just be.. too much to have faked for it to be scum.
Looks like I feel really good about a lot of players, since i feel good about dya, and heymonkey, and fairly good about you right now.
If I were scum I'd have boxed myself in by now, the way I'm playing
Tbh I want to know how did you form those reads and i will come back to you. Maybe i will not make an Iso with many posts refferences and maybe i will just ask stuff, but i don't see why would you be worried about the fact i want to read your posts.
Foregone conclusion.. can you reformulate?
@Syndicategang and wherever else Jack plays. Does he usually top post as scum? I think we played one game together where we were 3p iirc? And he wasnt very active there. Machines in bastard mash. But I might be misremembering
Do you feel like if you peel down playstyle, that my solving or approach to the game has been less towny or genuine than anyone else's- say yours for example?