Thanks for the reminder Aquilla!!!
I'm here until Eod, for now back reading because I don't remember much of the game
Thanks for the reminder Aquilla!!!
I'm here until Eod, for now back reading because I don't remember much of the game
The Longest Mafia Game Redux Day 3 Votecount
Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase) 2 Ampharos Garden Gnome (12), sheepsaysmeep (8) 1 Trustworthy Liberal Arapocalypse (19) 10 Not voting WerewolfHunter (2), Frog (0), Ampharos (0), Visorslash (1), Trustworthy Liberal (2), Wesmaster160 (3), Shad (16), Michelle (1), lendunistus (1), Cuthalion (6)
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Day 3 ends at 10:00 PM EST on Saturday, December 2nd, 2023. There are 1701572460000 remaining.
that's crazy bro
just checking in but not very invested
just checking in but very invested
im so invested bro it's not even funny
##Vote sheepsaysmeep
##Vote Visorslash
Okay, actually back this time!!!! I see the discussion has been very engaging since!!
I'll be spending the next hour or so reading back some stuff (probably mostly my own ISO), if anyone's around feel free to hang out and chat!!!
Pulling out some of DkKoba's last posts for reference:
MIND MELD
can i assign you town leader if i die lol
i mean u were kinda 2nd place contributer anyways after frog kinda stopped being interested in the gameigno town = cuth 100% scum here.Yeah but like they've got the whole night to catch up and then majority of a year to talk about those thoughts. What does getting them out now serve to the game as a whole or them making a vote choice?God me replying to a post not at me again.
Better now then never seeing how this day phase went tbh
they could easily both be scum tbh but like ... now i have alarm bells like cuth is "make sure i cant be counterwagoned last second" vibes but im leaning more - its going to be igno + cuth scum world where cuth is setting up d3 to make sure the PoE is expanded to include people who are easier to yeet due to losing interest.
Given the way today has gone, arguably DkKoba's investment counts for a lot here, hence why I've pulled up their last reads and why I'll likely be referencing them some over the next while!!
On a personal level, I don't have that much time this EoD, so I won't be rereading the entire game or something like that; that being said... their bottom four seems like a fair place to start off!!!
For the record, I'm comfortable with not touching their top tier today, and will only start ISOing their second tier if I end up putting more time here than expected!!
Which, granted, there's a non-zero chance that'll happen... regardless, given the way I've planned and set up stuff next year (doing less champs stuff), I expect I'll be able to dig in more next year regardless!!!!
(Actually lowkey hyped for day 4 already, there's some fun strategies of looking back on stuff which I suspect will be hype to dig into, regardless of whether we get a town or mafia flip!!!)
But for now anyways, I basically just need some way to narrow this down, and this seems a better way than relying on memory/anything else!!!
@Cuthalion Pinging you with this again as you still have not responded - would appreciate it if you could get back to me on this!!!!@Cuthalion I'm curious as to what if any reads you feel best and/or strongest about? I feel like a lot of your reads have been really uncertain, and while I get that that's a thing, not sure how much is really behind most of those!!!
Would also be appreciated if yuo could elaborate/dig deeper on the thoughts you expressed here, given the flip:
Also if you have time to maybe carve out some time here, even if it's only 2-3 times before EoD, that would be appreciated; would love to try and coordinate something if possible!!!yes there is
sheep kinda comes into eod and not fence-sits but something along those lines
like accepts them as focus and centralizes them?
Thank you past me for ISOing Cuth!!!!So I was just going to ISO Cuth's EoD posts but there's less than 100 overall, so a few overall thoughts:
Cuth did do an earlier full ISO of ignoramus at P#2074, makes a bit more sense as to why he wouldn't have still been there at EoD I think? I do feel like the thoughts expressed here feel somewhat natural though/don't seem that TMI-y, I guess? Still, would have to see how that went given how EoD was... Would be very curious as to if anyone else has thoughts on this post in particular, given that we should be able to better discern if it has TMI or not since we now have TMI!!!
I also only just realized ignoramus didn't post at all yesterday, which... hmm, not sure if it's still worht ISOing them!!
Okay so in P#2259, I'm guessing Cuth probably just forgot about his earlier read on ignoramus?Sort of want to call that towny because you'd be more self-conscious as mafia about making sure your reads align with what you'd said previously, but also with the nature of this game Cuth could have anticipated that better than in a normal game... still, feels like the former probably makes more sense, for it to be towny? Especially when at that point in the game, ignoramus was clearly dying and practically nothing would have resulted in a different death, which means that it would have been easy for Cuth to just grab free town points by going in and lightly defending ignoramus there!!
In P#2266, his read on me makes me feel better about my previous point, because his read is that I'm towny for defending someone that flippedtown at EoD; him not taking the opportunity to do exactly that as mafia at this EoD feels towny!!! Granted, I could be overthinking this a little!
P#2295 was what I referred to in an earlier post, where Cuth mentions he was ISOing alphabetically but then changed his mind to do it randomly based on other things!! Reminds me vaguely of some recent-ish game where one of the mafia started ISOing alphabetically and then gave up - I feel like while this is similar, the logic for reading it is the opposite? Basically, just going down alphabetically is a "trying to get into the game without really solving" type of thing, but the shift into basically just going with what he wanted indicates more of a solving mindset?
After all that, I feel like I'ved typed out more of a townread than I actually feel, where I'd put him down as a vague townread that I'm concerned about misreading at the moment!!
Hence, would really love it if anyone has further thoughts here to share and discuss here, would be really helpful!!!! Especially if you suspect him, looking at you Wesmaster!!!!
I do also have a few further concerns, will get to it after this...
That being said, having lightly gone through his ISO again... I'm not really sure if I agree with the conclusion there!!
Namely, P#2281 stands out there a lot - @Cuthalion how's the hard look at Sheep going?
Noting there's a few other things I disagree with my previous assessment on, one of them being Sheep + not attributing points either way with regards to their consideration of ignoramus, given how long it'd been since his last read of ignoramus!!!
@Wesmaster160 Checking in on what you were planning to put in your large post?
Would also very much appreciate some of your thoughts on where you're at on Cuthalion, when you have time; I say that, but also emphasizing we have less than 2 weeks until Eod!!!!
Having skimmed through a bunch of stuff from yesterday, I'll leave it at that for tonight!!! I do want to make sure I get into the following over the next few days:
- ISO TrustworthyLiberal
- ISO MIchelle
- ISO Wesmaster/Shad (yes they're probably my top town currently, noting this is only if I have time)
- Wagon discussion
- Planning out next year - I have a few strategies I want to propose, will think on and get back to people on those
Would be hype if people wanted to pop in and chat, as for the rest of the day I'm aiming to be on either every day or every other day around this time!!!!
From today I noted that the only solvy posts are
GG P#2334
Ara P#2338 the convo with Koba is very townie fmpov and there's a chain of posts following and a vote in March who is the last until now (that was at the moment of my note)
After that I don't find any solving attempt until you came again recently.
My intention was to read more than this day but I subbed in a game offsite and I was distracted
Reminder ping amazing
Will try to look when am off work tonight or tomorrow
Retrospective Day 1 Votecount as of Post #1734
Post #1734 was originally posted at 10:01 PM EST on Thursday, December 2nd, 2021.
Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase) 7 Marshal Michelle (29), Frog (269), GeneralHankerchief (212), Shad (118), Wesmaster160 (115), Visorslash (114), WerewolfHunter (44) 6 ignoramus Ampharos (28), sheepsaysmeep (50), Arapocalypse (157), ignoramus (44), Garden Gnome (95), Marshal (87) 1 Ampharos Trustworthy Liberal (65) 1 WerewolfHunter DkKoba (185) 2 Not voting lendunistus (32), Cuthalion (24)
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I do wanna bring up with these now like confirmed t/t I think wolfs are 100% more wanting Marshal out over Ignoramus (despite my more scum reads being on the ignoramus wagon)
Like only Marshal poses a threat there and had any semblence of self preservation, Also worth noting a drop in Frog here (We are not going there today I am just still waiting for his response since over a year ago now to my last question and kinda effs but whatever.)
Basically looking an non-voters/off wagoners I remember liking Lendun day 1 alot more than Cuth. (More jsut stating mental thoughts atm)
I also suspect ara still i forget if i posted earlyer was more how they were reading me felt like they were going in for the get me voted from the start there as a pre determinded choice rather than a geniune read. Could i be a little biased here yes but it jsut rubs the wrong way and has been a thought i keep having while not playing here.
I guess another small thing I've avidly said i want Ampharos voted people know this has had them at basically 3 votes all day no contestment no one doing anything I a can't tell if this is a dead air dead town or a everyone just isn't playing mafia and it has me in this paranoid area. I was right on marshal and Ignor so realistically i should jsut trust my read and kill it. but that voice hurts alittle to ignor if i am wrong. AAAAAAAAAA
Amy Wagoners
Shad
Visor
Frog
Marshal
TrustworthyLiberal
This is before today i am gonan clarify
Am a go play lethal company for a bit than try and do some more hard to get motivation here honestly
Okay small post before bed was busy and honestly never saw replies so wasn't rushed.
Do people wanna plan a time wednesday to like live talk before EoD gives us time afterwards and is a day i am like able to just sit and talk live think that will be better help then me jsut looking back and everything blurring together.
Please ping me if you can and a time i'll do best to alot time to talk if we do a few sessions that works for me or atleast will try to best i can.
Amma a reread today actualyl tonight let's get that much done
Cuth themselves i feel is in this middle zone i don't town read them currently in my thoughts at all!!!@Trustworthy Liberal Curious as to if you'll have any time to read back a little, over hte next few months!!! Even if it's just 1 ISO and notthe entire game!!!
Would be interested in stuff like your current read on Cuth, and also what was your read on DkKoba at EoD?
Alot of this is nothing they have said stuck (same boat with WWH/lendunistus)
It's mostly that really I am not really feeling AI from them where they have been able to sit. (Again rereading other two days wednesday as made sure not to book game session than for this unlike today)
DkKoba I was town reading part way the day but realized there was a very small world if i kept my not full trust there verbally that if they lived the day could help. (Did i not do this if so is funny but that was the last though on my notes left and am not rereading my ISO xD)
But ya Cuth is in this null guess leaning down but feels auto mode which isn't great.
Bascially Cuth could die but am 1000% rereading that wednesday if that becomes the idea cause i am not comfortable afking into that one nearly as much as Ampharos. (Really it feels afking but I've wanted this for going over 2 years.)
Legit wanna say in this phase don't bother Wes/Shad that can be a overnight and next day phase BUT SHOULD BE THAN!!!
ISO me well ya am a contested slot i guess Michelle is okay would rather a GG/Sheep look currently as they have had and say on a 2 vote wagon together all day and feel that's more what am hum! on you know?
Okay ya am going to pass out now PLEASE PING ME WITH POSTS TOWARDS ME THIS EOD SO I SEE THEM IF I FORGET TO LOOK HERE!!!
Cool, thanks for getting back to me!!!From today I noted that the only solvy posts are
GG P#2334
Ara P#2338 the convo with Koba is very townie fmpov and there's a chain of posts following and a vote in March who is the last until now (that was at the moment of my note)
After that I don't find any solving attempt until you came again recently.
My intention was to read more than this day but I subbed in a game offsite and I was distracted
Agreed on the Garden Gnome post, that does (re?)affirm my townread comfortably there!!
For what it's worth, I don't think wagons currently mean much in relation to the inactivity!!
Good point on bringing up day 1 wagons though, those definitely did exist and I do recall there being a fair amount of discussion around there, even if I can't remember what it was for!!!
Honestly a bit difficult to discern the alignments of people here when many aren't playing, but hey, gotta start somewhere!!!!!
@Trustworthy Liberal I could do Wednesday, would rather do Thursday if possible though!!!!
Any time between 10pm-6am EST works!!!
(Also noting that there's a very real chance I won't be around on Saturday EoD, still figuring out plans for then though so we'll see!!)
Appreciate the thoughts, sorry that I can't remember why I asked this though!!Cuth themselves i feel is in this middle zone i don't town read them currently in my thoughts at all!!!@Trustworthy Liberal Curious as to if you'll have any time to read back a little, over hte next few months!!! Even if it's just 1 ISO and notthe entire game!!!
Would be interested in stuff like your current read on Cuth, and also what was your read on DkKoba at EoD?
Alot of this is nothing they have said stuck (same boat with WWH/lendunistus)
It's mostly that really I am not really feeling AI from them where they have been able to sit. (Again rereading other two days wednesday as made sure not to book game session than for this unlike today)
DkKoba I was town reading part way the day but realized there was a very small world if i kept my not full trust there verbally that if they lived the day could help. (Did i not do this if so is funny but that was the last though on my notes left and am not rereading my ISO xD)
But ya Cuth is in this null guess leaning down but feels auto mode which isn't great.
Bascially Cuth could die but am 1000% rereading that wednesday if that becomes the idea cause i am not comfortable afking into that one nearly as much as Ampharos. (Really it feels afking but I've wanted this for going over 2 years.)
Cuth... basically sure, from what I've seen thus far!!!!
That being said, do you think wagon composition really matters at the moment, with how the game currently has been going?
@Visorslash Any chance you want to get in here and talk about this vote? Trustworthy Liberal has been around, by the way!!!!
@Wesmaster160 if you could please show up more than 30 minutes from EoD this year, that would be appreciated!!!!Sorry your right, see you 30 minutes from EOD next year.if you think i'm going to spend time on this game over the night phase i'm sorryYeah but like they've got the whole night to catch up and then majority of a year to talk about those thoughts. What does getting them out now serve to the game as a whole or them making a vote choice?God me replying to a post not at me again.
Better now then never seeing how this day phase went tbh
i'm paying attention to the game now for better or for worse
Meh, I was going to ping everyone individually, but... it's a bit tiring/unfulfilling to corral people when they're not here, you know?
Maybe later; going to dig into the Trustworthy Liberal ISO now first though!!!!
Okay not going to pull quotes, but I think I'm at least decently comfortable with Trustworthy Liberal, for the moment!!!!!
There's a few solid throughlines that exist even throughout the years that makes sense, like the focusing on votes in a fairly consistent manner - as consistent as you can get, I think!!! P#2050 in particular was one which stood out to me, for example!! Also various moments of prodding people, felt like tinges of genuineness there; I'm not entirely sure what my previous issue there was, but I'm ignoring my past self's read for now because she's not here!!
Quite possible that part of this is due to recency bias with them being the main other person showing up here, but hey, we work with what we got here so I'm rolling with it!!!!
(Note: this is more from Trustworthy Liberal's latter end of their ISO, as I'd rather focus on it a little but do some other stuff too while I'm here!)
Got distracted, opened an ignoramus ISO and was about to write up a case on it!!!!!
Ya partly the hard part for me to focus ngl.
@Arapocalypse Thrusday i work 13 hours so can but resonses would be between working and breaks so which ever you end up having the time to really (was hopeing more people would have responded to that but not really surprised sadly.
Always matters to a degree no matter game state todays should always be mentioned within to the two peopls alignments at the very least
i aint providin reasons for anything
been busy all week, at this point I'm probably just going to pop in an hour from EoD and ???
wait I thought EoD was like 24 hours from now but it's next week some time
ok so I'm probably just going to forget it's EoD and miss everything glgl
It's in a few days.
Yeah it's on a Saturday so the odds of me actually being here are near zero and I already ruled out finding time to actually read back vs just rolling with what feels right in the moment lol
I should be able to be here on Saturday.
What do you think of the nonvoting low voters or the fact that there are more people not voting than voting?
@WerewolfHunter (3), @Frog (0), @Ampharos (0), @Trustworthy Liberal (10), @Wesmaster160 (3), @Shad (20), @Michelle (2), @lendunistus (1)
care to vote?
That's a lot of wolves, lol.
They must all be afraid that we will hear their magnificent.... um... scary... howls!!!!
@Garden Gnome
If you could kill three people right now who and why.
Also for voting lol expecting me to vote before I am set to leave it there (also having actively checked in I know it was general but lol)
Have had alot happen last few days that cut time to be here alot sadly though so just have had mental thinking while waiting.
Thinking Ampharos is still my preferred for the soul reason of knowing if my EoD 1 was just Goated with the sauce and cause they aren't clearing themselves anytime soon.
Lowkey cuth has become a bigger consideration for they replys in this day phase. (Will mention Visorslash's atleast I give it the first one so excuse fine for now.)
Shad hope weekends good if you even check in curious who your most wanted yeet is if you have the chance just to see current headspace as that's what you said your focusing on.
good chat everyone
glad we figured out who the wolves are
##Vote Visorslash
Not going to lie, I opened the thread yesterday (or the day before? some time ago), got to Visorslash's post and sort of just thought huh, don't I have better things to do than play with people who don't care about the game?
I seem to be afflicted with "must care about stuff even (or especially) if other people don't" syndrome, so here we are!!!!!
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