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  1. ISO #1051
    does amy have an alignment?

  2. ISO #1052
    i kinda v-read lend's last post but dislike that read enough that it goes all the way back to zero

    but the thought of killing that slot makes me want to do something horrible like sign up for another game with year long phases or something

  3. ISO #1053
    i'm exhausted

    we love graded group projects in higher education

    what's not to like

  4. ISO #1054
    i basically did half of the work redoing the stuff the three other people did which didn't work out and we had to redesign in the last 48 hours

    my part of the project was the only bit that was actually functional and could be used

    granted we had some good laughs towards the end because we were all at the slap-happy stage of burnt out

    when we were leaving today and walking down the stairs one of the project people asked me what i was doing (meaning over break) and i was eating a piece of chocolate so i said eating chocolate and i think all three of us had to grab onto something from laughing

  5. ISO #1055
    i really like sheep's posts and i'd feel slightly more comfortable about them alignment-wise if they didn't sound a lot like posts i'd write

    but

    lean v i don't think the bits that look performative are actually like. make sense as that in this context

  6. ISO #1056
    this is maybe a bit of a goofy read but i wanna say michelle wouldn't say "i'm going to engage haha wait oops it's been a while i haven't been able to" like five times in a row as wolf without any content in between

    have a hard time seeing a wolf just like

    showing up remembering game exists and then being like you know what i'd rather not

    feels more like villager being like oh game and complete lack of pressure in any sense and then ok bye

  7. ISO #1057
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#85)
    opens thread

    "wow, this is slow, someone should really do something"

    does nothing

    closes thread
    ok by that same measure i don't love this post at all

  8. ISO #1058
    especially given how early it is

    and then how she dives straight into actually putting out content

    it's like the exact opposite of what i liked from michelle

  9. ISO #1059
    mm but the dkkoba reaction is kinda villagery though

  10. ISO #1060
    cool well i have i hate the x new posts thing when you click reload no strong reads from those isos i don't know what i expected

    aight

  11. ISO #1061
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    Igno reiterated a strong lend!v read recently

    Lend is in danger

    Igno lightly read cuth V, but Cuth had done nothing.

    Even GH said Cuth us basically null.

    So at that point, Igno would have no reason to hold back from voting Cuth.

    Until Cuth shows up just not to add extra posts.


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    Phone auto corrects weird, but you get my point

    The timing of this stuff at this point is hilariously suss to me, almost outingly suss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1044)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1042)
    Cuth is true null lol
    Is lendunistus less of a true null?
    @ignoramus time to play bro, I think you have relevant thoughts here
    Hello, sir
    I am at the no thoughts, head empty stage
    I can too you about business concepts, though! this is the only thing that has been in my head for months and it has taken a hold of my brain by force
    I hate business school


    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthalion (#1053)
    i'm exhausted

    we love graded group projects in higher education

    what's not to like
    God if that ain't a mood

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1061)


    Igno reiterated a strong lend!v read recently

    Lend is in danger

    Igno lightly read cuth V, but Cuth had done nothing.

    Even GH said Cuth us basically null.

    So at that point, Igno would have no reason to hold back from voting Cuth.

    Until Cuth shows up just not to add extra posts.

    But I recall wolf-reading WWH more D:
    And we still got a few more months
    Let me panic about my business classes in peace

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    Tell, not tooAlso I forgot to spoiler oh well
    Back to being a ghost

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1064)
    Tell, not tooAlso I forgot to spoiler oh well
    Back to being a ghost
    @ignoramus

    There are 8 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes remaining.

  16. ISO #1066
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    Frog lettuce alliance and put the pain train on igno

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1066)
    Frog lettuce alliance and put the pain train on igno
    My paranoia on Igno was peaking because I revisited #915 and thought Igno was TMI with Lend being Town.

    This is the post

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#915)
    1. Sheep: town, reason being (from p#22-p#112) relaxed vibe while still making reads and stuff (albeit pretty minimal)
    P#271 I only read a teeny bit but majority weren't doing much (or doing anything At All) so his effort to make this raises his town equity
    Like
    He's one of the first ones to do it, if not The first to do it
    So I feel like it's more town-indicative, especially given his still fairly relaxed tone
    Gonna be assuming for this part but I think a mafia/non-town who was this relaxed wouldn't make much reads/progress until everyone else did so


    2. Lendunistus: so obvious in his "I don't give a damn. I do Not want to play" attitude I think he might just be town?? Not as townie as Sheep but still town


    3. Visor: is him and Hankerchief talking to each other so much non w/w indicative? Because to me it is and I doubt y'all will be able to change that for a while mnitwerk:
    Also saw a bit of GH and his conversations (p#311) and if anything, probably GH/Visor w/t?? Feels too much like "I Shall Take Advantage Of Him Not Doing Much And Pocket Him Through Reads :evil:" out of all three, least townie


    Just my luck the RNG picker I used went for majority lower posters

    Anyway : peace_out : for like. Another year
    Or until I die first
    Whichever goes first
    Then I went about my day, came back to it, and reread it.

    I see a few signs of what looks like Igno is actually making these reads, not fabricating them.

    The various inclusions of 'like' demonstrate pausing to think about what they're saying. They're thinking about the actual reads, not thinking about how to fabricate it imo.

    The various inclusions of question marks in the read. It's very much an uncertainty that is towny, not TMI scummy.

    If there is TMI, it's that Sheep is Town. (but I've noticed from several players that if there if TMI, it's that Sheep is Town. So hilariously, I think Sheep is actually already spewed Town, when I was ready to like thunderdome them forever.)

    There are more reads I have from this post, but I think that's enough for you to get my drift.

    I think Igno is Town and my paranoia on them has subsided.

    However, my paranoia on Cuth has not subsided.

    His entrance felt suspiciously convenient given that igno would be in a position to likely vote him.

    I have similar feelings about WWH and his suspicious thread entrances.

    Then there's Trustworthy Liberal #690 to #691, where it takes him less than 17 minutes to come up with a full read list that feels completely whack, type it up, and post it. But then I'm looking through his ISO and it's really not terrible.

    Anyway, I think I'm fine on Cuth for the moment.

  18. ISO #1068
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    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    3 WerewolfHunter ignoramus (27), DkKoba (186), Garden Gnome (53)
    3 lendunistus Ampharos (19), GeneralHankerchief (104), Visorslash (67)
    3 Cuthalion Wesmaster160 (81), Frog (143), Shad (75)
    2 DkKoba Trustworthy Liberal (56), Marshal (54)
    1 Frog sheepsaysmeep (25)
    1 Marshal Michelle (19)
    1 ignoramus Arapocalypse (73)
    1 Shad WerewolfHunter (22)
    2 Not voting lendunistus (7), Cuthalion (7)

    This is more or less how I see the current state of the game

    Frog

    DkKoba
    ignormaus
    Visorslash
    Marshal

    Garden Gnome
    sheepsaysmeep


    Shad
    Wesmaster160
    Trustworthy Liberal
    Michelle


    lendunistus

    GeneralHankerchief
    Arapocalypse


    WerewolfHunter
    Ampharos
    Cuthalion


    If Cuthalion flips wolf, this game gets solved fast bumping Wes & Shad way up.

  19. ISO #1069
    oh i'm glad you have a read on me

    that's very assuring

  20. ISO #1070
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1065)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1064)
    Tell, not tooAlso I forgot to spoiler oh well
    Back to being a ghost
    @ignoramus

    There are 8 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes remaining.
    O h
    Okay cool
    this is actually not cool but I really want WWH to get got
    If she flips town, which I'm 99.99% sure isn't gonna happen, y'all can speed-yeet me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1067)
    I see a few signs of what looks like Igno is actually making these reads, not fabricating them.

    The various inclusions of 'like' demonstrate pausing to think about what they're saying. They're thinking about the actual reads, not thinking about how to fabricate it imo.

    The various inclusions of question marks in the read. It's very much an uncertainty that is towny, not TMI scummy.

    [snip]

    However, my paranoia on Cuth has not subsided.

    His entrance felt suspiciously convenient given that igno would be in a position to likely vote him.

    I have similar feelings about WWH and his suspicious thread entrances.
    These are the kinds of reads (in both directions) that you look back on down the line and wonder what the hell you were thinking when you made them.

    (I'm sure that I've made my own in this game and will deal with them if necessary, but this set is especially glaring)

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1070)
    ]this is actually not cool but I really want WWH to get got
    If she flips town, which I'm 99.99% sure isn't gonna happen, y'all can speed-yeet me
    This, OTOH, is just straight-up wolfy.

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    ##Vote ignoramus

    I'm landing here for the year.

    @Visorslash

    follow me into the void, my brother

  23. ISO #1073
    ##Vote ignoramus

    yeehaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1072)
    ##Vote ignoramus

    I'm landing here for the year.

    @Visorslash

    follow me into the void, my brother
    tell me why, at this very moment, you are scum reading ignoramus?

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    The Longest Mafia Game Redux Day 1 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    3 WerewolfHunter ignoramus (30), DkKoba (186), Garden Gnome (54)
    3 Cuthalion Wesmaster160 (81), Frog (148), Shad (75)
    3 ignoramus Arapocalypse (73), GeneralHankerchief (107), Visorslash (68)
    2 DkKoba Trustworthy Liberal (56), Marshal (54)
    1 Frog sheepsaysmeep (25)
    1 lendunistus Ampharos (19)
    1 Marshal Michelle (19)
    1 Shad WerewolfHunter (22)
    2 Not voting lendunistus (7), Cuthalion (18)

    View Vote History

    Day 1 ends at 10:00 PM EST on Thursday, December 2nd, 2021. There are 1638500460000 remaining.

  26. ISO #1076
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    Understanding what GH is doing here.
    1. GH more or less shields WWH
    2. GH looks for alternative wagons, first onto lendunistus
    3. WWH is not interested in voting Lendunistus
    4. Ignoramus is not interested in voting Lendunistus
    5. Lendunistus wagon stalls out, but GH is not interested in voting Cuthalion himself
    6. GH makes a new wagon on Ignoramus
    7. Ignoramus is now in a situation where he is incentivized to vote for Cuthalion out of self preservation, because WWH wagon has stalled out and he is still on top of wagons
    8. WWH is now in a situation where he is incentivized to vote for Cuthalion out of self-pres since WWH previous had Cuth towards the bottom of his scum list
    9. Cuthalion is in a situation where they will self pres onto Ignoramus
    10. WWH voters will be less inclined to vote with WWH onto Cuth, and more inclined to vote Igno
    11. The remaining players more or less split it up between igno and Cuth
    12. I anticipate Cuth to show up and post random nothing posts again
    13. I expect ignoarmus gets pushed over if this continues without intervention

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1070)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1065)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1064)
    Tell, not tooAlso I forgot to spoiler oh well
    Back to being a ghost
    @ignoramus

    There are 8 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes remaining.
    O h
    Okay cool
    this is actually not cool but I really want WWH to get got
    If she flips town, which I'm 99.99% sure isn't gonna happen, y'all can speed-yeet me
    That's a little selfish, especially considering you've barely played, don't you think?

    @ignoramus

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    Happy Thanksgiving everyone

    Frog you're reading into it way too much

    Gnome I'll answer you when I get back on a PC tomorrow (at relatives atm(

    It'll be short but I do want to pull quotes and I'm not doing that $%#! on mobile

    Don't want to end this on a confrontational note so happy Thanksgiving again folks

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1078)
    Happy Thanksgiving everyone

    Frog you're reading into it way too much

    Gnome I'll answer you when I get back on a PC tomorrow (at relatives atm(

    It'll be short but I do want to pull quotes and I'm not doing that $%#! on mobile

    Don't want to end this on a confrontational note so happy Thanksgiving again folks
    Happy Thanksgiving!!

    Nah you're right, I'm overthinking it, cheers bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1077)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1070)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1065)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1064)
    Tell, not tooAlso I forgot to spoiler oh well
    Back to being a ghost
    @ignoramus

    There are 8 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes remaining.
    O h
    Okay cool
    this is actually not cool but I really want WWH to get got
    If she flips town, which I'm 99.99% sure isn't gonna happen, y'all can speed-yeet me
    That's a little selfish, especially considering you've barely played, don't you think?

    @ignoramus
    I didn't think of that oop
    What I mean to say is that I am Very Confident that WWH flips mafia here
    If not, then I'm okay with getting speed-yeeted for her green flip which I think is very very unlikely @Frog

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    I shall now proceed to create a streak of getting yeeted D1 as town in each game I play
    Which will probably be a long time after this but still
    If I come back to mafia I'm expecting y'all to help me keep up that streak :joy:

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1078)
    Happy Thanksgiving everyone

    Frog you're reading into it way too much

    Gnome I'll answer you when I get back on a PC tomorrow (at relatives atm(

    It'll be short but I do want to pull quotes and I'm not doing that $%#! on mobile

    Don't want to end this on a confrontational note so happy Thanksgiving again folks
    Sure. Happy Thanksgiving!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#1016)
    lend- Is likely also be unfairly run up and has a similar playstyle toe me
    I have 7 posts how do I have a similar playstyle to you

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    No, you’re NOT a real gamer.

    I’m so sick of all these people that think they’re gamers. No, you’re not. Most of you are not even close to being gamers. I see these people saying “I put well over 100 posts in this game, it’s great!” that’s nothing, most of us can easily put 2000+ posts in all our games. I see people who only have Town of Salem and claim to be gamers. Come talk to me when you pick up a forum then we be friends.

    Also DEAR ALL CHILDREN: Among Us is not a real game. Town of Salem is not a real game. Untrusted is not a real game. Mindnight is not a real game. Throne Of Lies is not a real game. Chat mafia games are NOT.REAL.GAMES. put down the baby games and play something that requires challenge and skill for once.

    Sincerely, all of the ACTUAL gamers.

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    anyways I exist and will go over stuff soon

    I probably won't exist on the weekend since I can't access my computer then and playing mafia on a phone is torture

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    Alright, this is pretty simple from my POV.

    First, the confirmation bias disclaimer: I've suspected ignoramus for a decent while now and prior to the past couple of days, as I think is demonstrated by the back half of my posting this year. But this last bit pushed it over the line for me.

    ---

    Many of ignoramus's posts have fluff and/or surface level takes. Not the best look, but not damning in themselves. This sort of stuff pops up repeatedly:

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#915)
    1. Sheep: town, reason being (from p#22-p#112) relaxed vibe while still making reads and stuff (albeit pretty minimal)
    P#271 I only read a teeny bit but majority weren't doing much (or doing anything At All) so his effort to make this raises his town equity
    Like
    He's one of the first ones to do it, if not The first to do it
    So I feel like it's more town-indicative, especially given his still fairly relaxed tone
    Gonna be assuming for this part but I think a mafia/non-town who was this relaxed wouldn't make much reads/progress until everyone else did so


    2. Lendunistus: so obvious in his "I don't give a damn. I do Not want to play" attitude I think he might just be town?? Not as townie as Sheep but still town


    3. Visor: is him and Hankerchief talking to each other so much non w/w indicative? Because to me it is and I doubt y'all will be able to change that for a while mnitwerk:
    Also saw a bit of GH and his conversations (p#311) and if anything, probably GH/Visor w/t?? Feels too much like "I Shall Take Advantage Of Him Not Doing Much And Pocket Him Through Reads :evil:" out of all three, least townie


    Just my luck the RNG picker I used went for majority lower posters

    Anyway : peace_out : for like. Another year
    Or until I die first
    Whichever goes first
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1063)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1044)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1042)
    Cuth is true null lol
    Is lendunistus less of a true null?
    @ignoramus time to play bro, I think you have relevant thoughts here
    Hello, sir
    I am at the no thoughts, head empty stage
    I can too you about business concepts, though! this is the only thing that has been in my head for months and it has taken a hold of my brain by force
    I hate business school


    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthalion (#1053)
    i'm exhausted

    we love graded group projects in higher education

    what's not to like
    God if that ain't a mood

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1061)


    Igno reiterated a strong lend!v read recently

    Lend is in danger

    Igno lightly read cuth V, but Cuth had done nothing.

    Even GH said Cuth us basically null.

    So at that point, Igno would have no reason to hold back from voting Cuth.

    Until Cuth shows up just not to add extra posts.

    But I recall wolf-reading WWH more D:
    And we still got a few more months
    Let me panic about my business classes in peace


    So basically ignoramus is giving off the impression of just kind of trundling along, right? Not really super playing, very busy with school, dropping in every once in a while to give noncommittal thoughts, that sort of thing. And then, below the spoiler, he suddenly comes in with a PIPING HOT take:

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1070)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1065)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1064)
    Tell, not tooAlso I forgot to spoiler oh well
    Back to being a ghost
    @ignoramus

    There are 8 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes remaining.
    O h
    Okay cool
    this is actually not cool but I really want WWH to get got
    If she flips town, which I'm 99.99% sure isn't gonna happen, y'all can speed-yeet me
    This take is notable for two reasons. First of all, it is very much out of balance with the rest of his thread persona in terms of the read's strength. Second of all, there's pretty much zero buildup to it at all.

    Here are all the mentions of WWH in ignoramus's iso prior to the above post I quoted:

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#368)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#326)
    @Ampharos Wouldn't playing mafia be faster?
    @Cuthalion Happy birthday, come play!!!!
    @Frog Got an updated take on Wesmaster?
    @Garden Gnome Who do you most suspect/want to vote, at the moment?
    @ignoramus Come play!! What's your current read on DkKoba?
    @lendunistus What's your strongest read, outside of sort by postcount?
    @Michelle Any hot takes from reading back yet?
    @Shad It's been over a month, please give catchup takes!!
    @Trustworthy Liberal Are you planning to continue the particular manner of posting you introduced at SoD? Speaking of which, I've now completed all the DR games, has been a blast!!!!
    @WerewolfHunter It's definitely gotten quite a bit more serious by now, got any takes to match?

    Typing out these pings, it's occurred to me that it would be entertaining to make a bingo card!!!!! Or to delegate it to someone else: I'll give a free townpoint to anyone who makes one!!!
    Hello!!!
    Last time I read (which was about 3? months ago but my concept of time is as reliable as my WiFi [it isn't]) I had Koba as town
    Then again, I have a hard time reading their tone, just like I have a hard time reading yours
    IIRC all of WWH's posts involved some excuses, and I remember reading a few of her wolf-games back then and she does the excuses thing too
    But I'm better at reading spew so I'm not confident at all
    Might come back in June or July then disappear for the entirety of senior high glgl
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#369)
    ##Vote WerewolfHunter
    Bye!
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1063)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1044)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1042)
    Cuth is true null lol
    Is lendunistus less of a true null?
    @ignoramus time to play bro, I think you have relevant thoughts here
    Hello, sir
    I am at the no thoughts, head empty stage
    I can too you about business concepts, though! this is the only thing that has been in my head for months and it has taken a hold of my brain by force
    I hate business school


    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthalion (#1053)
    i'm exhausted

    we love graded group projects in higher education

    what's not to like
    God if that ain't a mood

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1061)


    Igno reiterated a strong lend!v read recently

    Lend is in danger

    Igno lightly read cuth V, but Cuth had done nothing.

    Even GH said Cuth us basically null.

    So at that point, Igno would have no reason to hold back from voting Cuth.

    Until Cuth shows up just not to add extra posts.

    But I recall wolf-reading WWH more D:
    And we still got a few more months
    Let me panic about my business classes in peace


    That's it. That's all there is. There is the barest hint of a progression in the early vote, but it's never elaborated on, and it's never backed up, nor is the strength of the read alluded to in ignoramus's isos/takes/etc between that vote and the final "99.99% sure" comment. Hell, at the time of the vote back in May, the only justification was "well she makes excuses for activity as a wolf".

    But it was never expanded on beyond that.

    So somehow that vote for decent-ish reasons if you squint hard enough has mutated into something with "99.99% sure" belief, despite the fact that ignoramus had multiple opportunities to talk about it even in his catchups, despite the fact that WWH's best posting (imo) came last week and igno didn't mention it at all in his calculations, despite the fact that for a read of such strength where, you know, decisiveness and intensity of feeling would probably earn you some villa points especially in a game like this where we're naturally gravitating towards the inactives on D1, igno didn't even want to take the read of such strength out of a damn spoiler tag.

    tl;dr I think he's intentionally misrepping the strength of his read/faking it entirely.

    ---

    Like if I squint hard enough I can see a scenario where a villa does this, I just think the world where he's a wolf trying to cut corners and hoping it's enough for D1 is more likely.

    I get that people are probably going to play around with wagons and hold the inactive people who are catching up's feet to the fire (Cuth, lend, etc) in the week we have remaining, and I may or may not partake in it myself, but at the end of the day my vote is staying on ignoramus barring something coming out of nowhere, and I think that should be the chop as well.

    lol @ me saying this post would be short

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    I went back and looked at 552 and 553

    Seems like my main concerns were:
    1. Igno's strength of reads, despite lack of progression, felt TMI or agenda-y
    2. Igno's lack of solving fire. Has taken a total of zero iniative to ask players questions in order to further develop his own reads / solves.
    3. There was a SHROOP in 547 by Cuth.

    I find myself agreeing with GHs post, it's a very strong convincing argument tbh. There is a way igno is just playing with very strong confirmation bias despite barely playing, but that kind of play would be more detrimental than not anyway.

    @ignoramus
    I'd like you to please develop your reads on WerewolfHunter, Cuthalion, and Lemdunistus.
    1. Explain your reads for each.
    2. Explain the strength in your reads for each.
    3. Ask them questions that would help you solve them.

    Currently if Igno is Mafia, Shad is Town.

    I dont know what Igno's reluctance to move off WWH means.
    Does that mean lendunistus was a hit?
    Does that mean Cuthalion is a hit?
    Does that mean WWH is town, or getting busses for cred?
    Does that mean igno just plays with strong confirmation bias as Town?

    Checking on igno history tbh

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#630)
    Awesome 5000: 147 sounds like scum who's glad to not have to pretend to catch up too much. All their other posts are NAI. I find 397 weird though, since it feels like voting because it's safe to vote on that wagon. Null-scum.


    In Mushroom Fiesta Mafia, where they were scum:
    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...archid=7360770 (might help you @zwerdjib)


    Bee Boy: 68, as noticed by someone else, feels townie. Then 72 comes along and the townie-ness has kind of flown out the window. 94 feels like a joke vote, but if it isn't, then maybe it's because of the fact that I somehow got it right. 334: "I should probably build some scum leans though". Either scum having a hard time to form reads, or naive town that thinks everyone is town until they see something too scummy (quite similar to me, if they're town). 390 possible pocket attempt...? Light town.


    Creature: they were town in Mafia, Masons, and the Plague:
    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...archid=7361044
    Seems like they're in their town meta, but I'm not sure as of yet. If they are, then they're going to become very similar to the way they played (in the linked game) later on. Light town.


    Doop: others have said before that Doop hasn't contributed much but made it seem like they contributed a lot. Upon reading their ISO, that observation is true. Possible scum trying to not be too influential. Could also be like Creature, but I don't think so. Also "fair enough" scum tell on 264. Closer to scum than null-scum.


    Flowey: Null.


    Rabbit: 30 seems like a strategy to never vote for their scum buddy. I don't like it. Can you tell me why you voted Kary in 593? Also 573: "If I was a wolf". Sounds like something a wolf would say. The paranoia that they had in 543 feels townie though. Null-town.


    Let me answer 543: nobody can coach me to become flip-floppy because I'm pretty sure that others will see through my attempt.


    As for my vote on 32, I was kind of in a quiet tunnel thing. I was really thinking you were scum, but I wasn't being too noisy about it and clogging up the thread.


    GCK: you know that feeling where you don't want a certain player to die because you like them? I feel that way for this guy because of their cat gifs. But otherwise, they didn't really do anything townie or scummy. Null.


    ignoramus: Top Town.


    Kary: the way they immediately started solving upon entering the thread gives them town points. Also I think they're one of the people that I can't read at all, so I'm going to base it off my gut and say they're town. Probably even one of the town leaders. But if they don't die in the next one to two days I'm going to be really suspicious of them. Could be scum just fooling us and playing with the endgame (F3/ELO/MELO) in mind. One of my Top Towns currently.


    Oats: nothing really pinged me either way, except for the "I'd like to vote for Awesome now" in 202. I'm really sorry that I can't really explain more about them. Null-town.


    Quick: thanks for the song link @Quick! Never thought I'd listen to songs like that and like them. Anyway, back to the read. I've compared the way they played in Independence Day Mafia:
    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...archid=7361541


    to the way they're playing now. I don't know why, but I feel that there's a big difference. Maybe because they haven't posted too much in the thread? Null-scum.


    Vibrava: their first post seemed fine, then they voted Creature, who appears to be a null read. 187 doesn't sit well with me, but I don't know why. Also defending their early wall post did not sit well with me either. Is 243 AtE? I think so. But their posts later on have become more townie. Then 259 comes around and makes them look scummy again. Feels like they know that zwerd is town. 261 feels weird. All of their other posts are NAI from then on. Null.


    VigGOAT: the audacity this man has. Getting drunk, in the middle of a (mafia) game??? Wow.


    Anyway, as I said before, I checked Anniversary 2020. They were town there, and they seemed to play the same way as they are doing now. If confidence is a scum tell, then this man is confirmed scum. But I don't think so. I'd be willing to bet that they'll be a town leader just like Kary. If they don't die in the next one to two days I'm going to be worried. Also one of my Top Towns currently.


    Hunter: their first few posts give me "scum-trying-to-explain-why-they-were-gone-so-long" vibes (116, 352, 355, 358). 360: scum can also ask questions and seem like they're solving. Plus scum points, since it feels like they're struggling to find a reason to town read someone without showing that they have TMI. Their posts afterwards feel like fluff. 615 feels like they don't know how to read Swag as scummy. If Hunter flips red, then I'd say Swag is cleared (spew cleared? I don't know man). Closest to scum.


    Swag: the way they seem to not care when others scum read them seems townie to me. I'm so sorry, but I'm kind of relying on how Kary flips (if they ever flip, that is). If Kary flips red, then I think Swag would be green, because tunneling is a thing. Not very sure what I 'd think if Kary flipped green though.


    zwerdjib: entrance of the thread was not very good. Feels kinda placeholder-y. 123 was nasty. Just because it's illegible (in a different language) doesn't mean it's scum motivated. 125 feels townie though. 297 sounds like AtE. I have to be honest: I can't read them as anything else other than Light town.


    265: "because hes the only one doing it like this lol. this is a silly q tbh" 看!我也在做!


    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...1#post_4371501

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#717)
    Alexa: top town. Probably don't even need to reread.


    Apogee: light town. His catch up was townie, but his conversations with Alexa rubbed me the wrong way. P#606 too.


    Barley: P#668 shows signs of being willing to sheep others' ideas, which would normally raise some red flags if he weren't new, but given that he is new, I feel like it's >rand town, because of his trust. Very, very light town.


    c4e5g3d5: town. Their solving I can see coming from a townie standpoint. The only thing that makes me go ??? is p#465 and p#495. @c4e5g3d5 what made you not want to eliminate Frog anymore, aside from Spooky being your biggest scum read?


    Cider head: light town. Wes off to a good start; solving very often, but it's gone down quite a bit since then.


    Fox falls: even just reading her first few posts made me go "yep, she's town". Her saying she scum read Frog, Cider, and Man (now Apogee) without explaining feels too un-mafia-like to be mafia. That's almost completely impossible to do as scum, unless she's a really good actor/actress. Probably gonna reconsider a few days from now, but today? Nope.


    Frog: scum. He pretty much focused on the whole "Fox having him and two others as her scum reads and her not explaining them" bit. Wouldn't be surprised if he isn't the only one who's scum in there. @fwogcarf I still don't understand p#472. I haven't been born with a brain. Gonna need you to be more obvious.


    Hacker: essentially null. Only thing that's actually readable is p#215, which is light town enough for me to have an inkling of his alignment, but nothing more.


    Hydreigon: feels like his regular self (and when I say regular, I mean weird). His posts seem to be in like with all the games I've seen him participate in, so light town.


    Ignoramus: that's me!



    Let me talk: the amount of "I don't care" vibes I get from him makes me feel like he's just town. I don't understand how he's "thread-spewed town" though.


    Object: was gonna be light town, but then! P#413 stuck, and lots of town credit went out the window. Town credit started to go up little by little, until p#330's "we just need to pick who we want to mis-yeet" which rang alarms. Lots of them. P#658 is just the cherry on the top. Scum.


    Phoenix: very light town, almost null. The only thing stopping me from calling her null is the fact that she's shown solving, even if it was just a little bit. @Phoenix13 care to give your reads now?


    Spooky: hedge 100. If I got my facts right, she only started to scum read Alexa when Alexa voted Spooky. Could either just be a special OMGUS, or just plain old scum. Her arguments about the game-link sharing feels like something suicidal for mafia to do, tbh. Bringing too much attention to herself is mafia's worst nightmare. Light town, but might go down into scum territory sooner or later.


    Race: same category as WerewolfHunter, tbh. @Race Bannon: got reads?


    WerewolfHunter: there's a thin line between light town and null, and she's barely hanging. @WerewolfHunter come back


    WaywardSon: null.


    Anaxagore: null. Reminds me of the game where we were lovers (him serial killer, me town JOAT) and he was aggressive there too. Town read scum. If I'm to reevaluate, I need more.


    Alice Lidell: null.

    Class took longer than expected, and I still got homework to do, so I'll be checking in every now and then. If you want me to respond to anything, please @ me. Thank you.


    Igno cannot be read on whether or not they are being proactive

    Igno is at least aware that sounding floppy floppy / uncertain can be towny

    Igno seems to make the 'doesn't care, probably town' read more as Mafia

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    Igno is hard to read, and it's even more difficult when they're actively not playing, so I'm not against chopping them on policy tbh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1089)
    Igno is hard to read, and it's even more difficult when they're actively not playing, so I'm not against chopping them on policy tbh
    ^ same could be said about other players as well tbh

    Cuth literally not playing

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    Does introducing doubt on Igno save WWH here?

    I don't know what the heck I'm doing tbh

    Going to just go player by player this weekend and figure it out once and for all

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    Quote Originally Posted by lendunistus (#1083)
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#1016)
    lend- Is likely also be unfairly run up and has a similar playstyle toe me
    I have 7 posts how do I have a similar playstyle to you
    When I responded to this, we both had very few posts and didn't check in very often. Iy also looked like we were both being unfairly run up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#118)
    ##Vote DkKoba

    vibing w/ nl/marshal's takes and dislike anyone who goes after ara of all people for looking "overexcited"

    undecided whether i completely hate frog's posts just because i kinda feel like w!frog would know that this push is meaningless? i guess that's a twtbaw read. but i do agree that it's some ??? $%#! and i wouldn't be surprised if it's a wolf trying to look towny early for nebulous ~doing things~ reasons, which is... probably what i woulda done if i had rolled wolf, tbh. maybe. laziness might have won out anyways LMAO

    dumb read but gh might be town for owning up to reading the thread and not posting anything, cause i kinda suspect the wolf tendency would be to lie about it because something something lurking. helps that i was halfway reading for like... most of january, i think? time is hard.

    marshal's p#86 is a stinker but if koba flips wolf i never wrote this sentence. the pocketing thing is an astute point either way tbh so maybe i'm the idiot not seeing why ara's wolfy or some $%#!

    igno can be v for "yeah sure whatever you sound like a villager" reasons. willing to reevaluate this a few years from now
    @Ampharos

    Updates on your reads for igno / lendunistus / cuthalion / lendunistus please

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    Lol, lend twice, meant to say WWH on the last one

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    RIGHT I AM IN A MAFIA GAME HELLO

    i actually have some free time today so i can probably look at a few isos

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    Lendun blatantly not caring about the game strikes me as something he'd be more likely to do in this sort of game as a wolf than as a villager. More of a personality read than anything else.

    i'm guessing that's why my vote's already on him, i'm not isoing myself to check LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#1096)
    Lendun blatantly not caring about the game strikes me as something he'd be more likely to do in this sort of game as a wolf than as a villager. More of a personality read than anything else.

    i'm guessing that's why my vote's already on him, i'm not isoing myself to check LOL
    That's more or less what you said last time I think, cool beans :-D

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    Cuthalion (18), huh

    actually i think i like cuth's most recent burst of posts for vague cuth-y reasons that are hard to articulate

    something about the level of idiosyncracy matching what i tend to expect out of his towngame

    the michelle read in particular is p dece

    we'll take it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#1096)
    Lendun blatantly not caring about the game strikes me as something he'd be more likely to do in this sort of game as a wolf than as a villager. More of a personality read than anything else.

    i'm guessing that's why my vote's already on him, i'm not isoing myself to check LOL
    what do you think of General Handkerchief's case on Ignoramus?

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    Igno... huh. Where did the strength of this WWH wolfread come from?

    p#368 is the first mention I can find, where he wolfreads WWH but says he's "not confident at all".

    The next mention (aside from a vote immediately after the abovementioned post) is in p#1063, where he defends not voting Cuth to save Lendun by saying "but I think I scumread WWH more?" There's no elaboration as to why, and no real exploration of the idea. (granted, that could be partially explained by the fact that he apparently thought there was a lot more time left in the day than there actually is)

    And then suddenly in p#1070 we're at 99% confidence WWH flips mafia? I don't understand how we got here, and I don't like it.

    If there's a hedge here, it's that there's a dgaf-ness to some of his recent posting that I tend to want to townread, and I think p#547 is a weird post to actually hit Post Reply on as a wolf (feel like I personally would feel pressured to finish it), but the WWH discrepancy weirds me out too much.

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