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    January Ultra-Low Postcount Game

    January Ultra-Low Postcount Game

    Note: players should expect a lot of dense posts in this game. If you don't like the idea of reading through a lot of long posts, you are not the intended audience for this game! Please only sign up if you're sure you're able to handle a game with a lot of content in each post. For an example of what to expect, you can look at the posts from the last time bbt ran a game like this.

    Setup: Odd-night Vigilante + Doctor vs. Rolecop

    Doctor
    Odd-night Vigilante
    Vanilla Town
    Vanilla Town
    Vanilla Town
    Vanilla Town
    Vanilla Town
    Vanilla Town
    Vanilla Town
    Vanilla Town


    Mafia Rolecop
    Mafia Goon
    Mafia Goon

    Flavor: TBD (Requests accepted)
    Hosted by: @Dawoodle with cohost @bbt
    Start Date: Monday, January 18th 7 pm EST
    SOD/EOD: 7 pm EST (4 pm PST, 12 am UTC)
    Phase Lengths: 48h/24h
    Out of Thread Communication: Mafia only
    Posting Requirement: Minimum of 5 posts per day phase, hard maximum of 20 posts per day phase which will not be lifted at any point in the phase. Zero-posters may be subbed out mid-day if I cannot contact them.

    • Majority will be disabled for this game, except when votes are locked.
    • Votes are automatically locked in when the Town must eliminate correctly.
    • Sleep is enabled. Vote for Sleep to forgo an elimination that Day.
    • Tied votes will result in a player being lynched at random from among the tied players.



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    January Ultra-Low Postcount Game: Game Information!

    This is an automated game of Mafia.


    Setup - 13 Players

    x2 Mafia Goon
    x1 Mafia Role Cop
    x1 Town Doctor
    x8 Vanilla Town
    x1 Town Vigilante | Odd Cycle

    Example Role PMs
    • POST RESTRICTION: You may only post 20 times per Day phase. This restriction will be lifted 0 hours before phase end.
    • Majority is not in effect.
    • Town wins when there are no threats to Town remaining.
    • Mafia factions win when they achieve Parity and there are no other evil factions remaining at any time.
    • Votes can be made by proxy using the form below the thread. Normal voting is still allowed. The modbot will announce the vote and who submitted it in their stead. This feature can be used to facilitate voting while Muted, such as during Duels or other mechanics that do not allow posting.
    • Votes are automatically locked in when the Town must eliminate correctly.
    • Sleep is enabled. Vote for Sleep to forgo an elimination that Day.
    • Mafia factional kills are mandatory. Mafia must submit a factional kill each night, or a player outside their faction will be chosen at random.
    • Mafia factional kills are assigned. They can be tracked, watched, or roleblocked.
    • Mafia share a factional Night Kill, which is a single standard shot for their faction.
    • Cops do not get Night 0 peeks.
    • Mafia may communicate at any time.
    • Tied votes will result in a player being eliminated at random from among the tied players.

    Phase Lengths

    Days are 48 hours in length. Nights are 24 hours in length.

    Players

    @4maskwolf
    @AbashT
    @c4e5g3d5
    @DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    @Egix96
    @Esooa
    @Hydreigon25
    @ikka
    @LiLi041
    @NK15
    @NotMafia
    @silmarils
    @Wisdom

    FAQ

    Are you unsure about how actions are processed or how roles interact with each other? Then read more here:

    ORDER OF OPERATIONS

    Night actions are processed in this order:

    Strongman kills
    Roleblocks
    Jails
    Doctors
    Bodyguards
    Kills
    Investigations
    Backups

    When an action was submitted during the night will never matter when the actions are processed.

    ACTION FEEDBACK

    These are the results you will get when you submit certain actions.

    Non-investigative roles when they submit an action (they also receive this if they are roleblocked):

    Your action on Player A was received.
    Investigative actions return results even if the target dies on the same night.

    Actions that count as visits are counted as visits even if the actor dies on the same night.

    Investigative roles (Tracker, Cop, etc.) when roleblocked:

    Your action on Player B did not return any results.
    Trackers when tracking a person that didn't visit anyone (or if they targeted a Ninja):

    Player C did not visit anyone.
    Watchers when watching a person that wasn't visited by anyone (or only visited by a Ninja):

    Player D was not visited by anyone.
    Alignment Cop when investigating a town-aligned player (or a Godfather):

    Player E is Town
    Watcher when watching a person that was visited by multiple people:

    Player F was visited by Player G, Player H, Player I
    FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

    How do I submit my action?
    Use the form below the game thread. If your role has a night action, the form will only be visible during night phases. It's not possible to submit actions in advance of the night phase.

    What does it mean if the Mafia Host says that night kills are assigned?
    In games with this setting turned on, the member of the mafia team that made the most recent night kill submission will be the one assigned to the kill, which means that the kill can be blocked if a Town Roleblocker or Town Jailkeeper target the mafia player in question. Similarly, the kill can be tracked and watched by Town Trackers and Town Watchers. If this setting isn't turned on, then it doesn't matter who the last person to submit the mafia kill is, as the kill is unblockable and untrackable in this case.

    Where do I find example role PM's?
    This thread contains example role PM's for all roles currently supported by the Modbot as well as information on the various modifiers. Here you will find the answers to a lot of questions not covered in this FAQ section.

    Which roles can self-target?
    Only Watchers are able to use their ability on themselves at night. This means that Doctors or Jailkeepers aren't able to protect themselves, for example.

    Which roles are not able to target the same players on consecutive nights?
    Doctors, Jailkeepers, and Roleblockers are not allowed to target the same player twice in a row. Everyone else is, including Bodyguards. Note that this non-consecutive restriction still holds true even if one of these three roles were blocked the night before when targeting the person that they're attempting to target again.

    What happens if Jailkeeper A and Jailkeeper B or Roleblocker A and Roleblocker B target each other (and are not targetted by other blockers)?
    In the case of Jailkeepers, they will block and protect each other. In the case of Roleblockers, they also block each other. This means that the two players are trackable to each other that night by Trackers and Watchers. It also means that if one of them is mafia and happens to simultaneously be the one submitting the factional kill that night in a game with assigned kills, then this kill is blocked. This same principle applies to longer loops. I.e. in a A > B > C > D > A loop, everyone is blocked.

    What happens if Jailkeeper A targets Roleblocker B who targets Jailkeeper A?
    Jailkeeper A will be blocked in this scenario. Refer to the order of operations: Roleblocks process before jails.

    What happens if Jailkeeper A targets Roleblocker B who targets Player C?
    As stated above, roleblocks process before jails, so Roleblocker B will successfully block Player C. I.e. Jailkeeper A will fail to block Roleblocker B, but will still protect Roleblocker B.

    What happens if Jailkeeper A targets Jailkeeper B and Jailkeeper B targets Jailkeeper C (who isn't targeting any of the former two)?
    In this case, Jailkeeper A would prevent Jailkeeper B's block from occuring, meaning that Jailkeeper C's action is not blocked.

    If an X-Shot role is blocked while using a shot, do they lose that shot forever?
    Yes. A 1-shot Vigilante being blocked while attempting to kill someone will not have their shot refunded.

    If someone with a Strongman modifier kills Player A who is protected by Bodyguard B, who dies?
    Player A will die, and Bodyguard B will survive.

    Can a mafia team choose not to kill anyone during a night?
    The host can determine this using the Mafia Factional Kill setting. Kills can be mandatory, optional, or disabled altogether.

    The default is No. The mafia factional kill is compulsory. This is done in order to avoid deadlocked games where the town keeps no eliminating and the mafia refuses to submit a kill. If the game has assigned kills, it will be randomized which member of the team is carrying out the kill.

    If there is only one mafia member left in a game without assigned kills, can the mafia factional kill then be blocked and/or tracked?
    No.

    Can the mafia submit a kill for one of their own members?
    No.

    If I kill someone, does their night action, if they have one, still succeed?
    Yes, killing someone doesn't prevent them from performing their night action (unless they investigated someone, in which case they will not receive a report). Refer to the order of operations: All kills happen at the end of the night, and everyone pulls the trigger simultaneously.

    Can individual night actions be proxied on mafia teams?
    No. If the mafia team has a Mafia Roleblocker, for example, and they want to use this role's action, then the player occupying that slot must submit the action themselves.

    If a Lover is shot during the night, while the other Lover is protected that night, does the other Lover still die?
    Yes. It's not possible to prevent a Lover from dying of love sickness.

    If a Bodyguard protects Lover A, while Lover B is shot during that same night, what happens?
    A dies of love sickness and Bodyguard lives.

    If there are any Innocent Childs in the game, are these confirmed in the thread right when the game begins?
    No. Innocent Childs are able to decide themselves when or if they wish to have the Modbot confirm their role and alignment in the thread. Note that this is exclusively a day action and that it can take up to one minute for the Modbot to process the action.

    What results are Alignment Cops, Full Cops and Role Cops given if they investigate a Godfather or a Miller?
    Alignment Cops are told "Town" for Godfathers and "Mafia" for Millers. Full Cops are told "Vanilla Town" for Godfathers and "Mafia Goon" for Millers. Role Cops are told "Godfather" for Godfathers and "Miller" for Millers.

    Can Role Cops tell the difference between a Vanilla Town and Mafia Goon?
    No. They are told "Vanilla" when investigating either of these two roles.

    If I roleblock someone with a Bulletproof Vest, will that nullify the effect of the vest?
    No. Bulletproof Vests are passive modifiers that cannot be blocked from working.

    If I roleblock Masons, Neighbors or Lovers with out of thread communication privileges, can I prevent them from talking at night?
    No.

    If I roleblock a Godfather, will they still be revealed as being town-aligned to Alignment Cops and Full Cops that night?
    Yes.

    Are you wondering about how to vote, submit night actions or multi-isolate players? Read about this and more here:

    HOW TO VOTE

    Our forum votes for someone by using the vote tags: [V]Thingyman[/V]. Preview:

    ##Vote Thingyman

    Make sure that you spell out the full, correct name. Abbreviations or misspelled names will not be registered by the Modbot.

    To unvote, use the tags: [UNV][/UNV] . When unvoting you do not need to enter the name of the person that you are unvoting. Preview:

    ##Unvote

    VOTING BUTTONS


    You can also quickly vote for someone by clicking on the box with a checkmark icon, which will bring up an alphabetized dropdown containing the names of living players:



    This will insert [V][/V] tags with the name of the player you selected in the dropdown, perfect every time.

    Click the empty checkbox button to insert [UNV][/UNV].
    HOW TO SUBMIT NIGHT ACTIONS

    If you have a night action, simply submit this at night by scrolling to the bottom of the game thread. Here you will find a night action form like this:



    Click the dropdown and select the player whom you wish to use your night action on. You can change it as many times as you wish before the deadline expires.
    HOW TO REQUEST A VOTECOUNT

    Votecounts will appear automatically at various intervals, but you can also call up votecounts yourself by following these steps:

    First, you need to apply to join "Mafia Game Hosts" under Permission Groups.

    Second, once your request has been approved, you will be able to call up votecounts by simply pushing the "Post Votecount" button in the top right corner of any game thread that you'd like an updated votecount for.

    OTHER SPECIAL FEATURES

    VIEWING VOTE HISTORY

    There are three ways to access the vote history for any game.

    1. Click on the "Vote History" button in the top right corner of the game thread:

    2. Click on the "View Vote History" link, which accompanies all votecounts:

    3. Click on Modbot in the top forum menu. This will give you a list of ongoing and completed games:



      Next, simply click on "Vote History" to view all votes for that game.

    Following any of the above three steps will bring you to an overview like this one:



    Click on a Voter's username to view all of the votes by their slot.

    Click on a Target's username to view all of the votes for their slot.

    ISOLATING A PLAYER'S POSTS

    If you wish to read a player's posts in isolation, simply click on "ISO" in the top right corner of one of that player's posts in the relevant thread as illustrated here:



    Alternatively, you can access a player's posts in isolation by clicking on the number next to "Replies:" in the forum lobby.



    Doing so will pull up a window listing the post counts for everyone who has posted in that thread. You access someone's posts in isolation by simply clicking on the number next to "Posts:" for that person.



    The ISO view itself has Quote and Multi-Quote buttons inside it, which will make it very easy to quickly quote a lot of a player's posts for analysis or commentary:


    MULTI-ISOLATING

    If you wish to read not just one player's posts, but you want to ISO multiple players, then click the "Multi ISO" button to the left of "Game Tools" and select the players in question as shown here:


    MULTI-QUOTING WHILE THREAD IS LOCKED

    Note that you can multi-quote posts from even locked game threads. This is useful for when you wish to reread the game and do work during night phases.

    After quoting the relevant posts, you simply open a different, opened thread and press "Go Advanced". Then add the quotes to your post by clicking the prompt below the post area as shown here:



    Now, of course you can't post your work in the game thread while the thread is locked, but you can copy paste and save your work to a local file or the cloud and have it ready to post the very next day phase (if you're still alive, that is).

    BOOKMARKS

    Whenever you open a game thread, you are able to bookmark posts. This is for many players an important tool for keeping track of and remembering vital pieces of information, reads, claims etc.

    Also, note that these bookmarks are saved to your user account, meaning that it eliminates the trouble associated with keeping notes between different computers/devices.

    If you want to bookmark a post, you simply scroll to the post that you want to bookmark and press "Set Bookmark" as shown here:



    This will call up 5 different colored icons (Blue, Red, Yellow, Green, and Black) on the right side of the post in question. You can click any of these icons, which will then prompt you to include a note for the post.

    If you don't want to include a note, you don't have to - just leave it blank. The color coding in itself can be a valuable tool. Maybe you want to use Red bookmarks for posts that you find suspicious, Green bookmarks for posts that you find townie, Black bookmarks for posts containing claims, or whatever system you can think of that will be helpful to you.



    Once this is done, you have now successfully bookmarked a post with a certain color and maybe even a note. If you wish to remove the bookmark again, click on "Unset Bookmark".

    How do I access bookmarks?

    There are two ways to access your bookmarks.
    1. Inside a game thread, you can access the bookmarks for that specific game by simply right clicking on the "Bookmark" button and opening the link.

      This will bring you to a separate page that is automatically filtered to only show bookmarks from the game thread that you accessed the page from.
    2. You can also access your bookmarks by going to Features in the site's top menu:



      This will bring you to a page where no bookmarks are shown by default. However, you have several filtering options.

      You can filter by Game, by Player and by Color - and all of them at once if you so wish.

      Here's an example of filtering by only red bookmarks in one specific game:



    If you want to be taken directly to one of your bookmarked posts, you just click the post number.

    How do I quote bookmarks?

    You can also multi-quote bookmarked posts by clicking the little "+" button seen above on the far right side of each bookmark.

    Once you have multi-quoted all the bookmarked posts that you want to quote, you will then have to go to the game thread in which you wish to quote the bookmarked posts.

    Here you have two ways of quoting the posts.

    1. Click on "Reply With Quote" on another post as shown here:



      You will then probably want to delete the last post quoted in the reply box, but otherwise you should be good to go.
    2. Or you can do the more smooth option and click the "Reply To Thread" button at the top and bottom of the game thread - as shown here:



      By doing this you will open up a reply box containing only your multi-quoted bookmarked posts.

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    Host Notes*
    * shamelessly stolen from bbt

    (you probably want to read these, or at least note the bold)

    • Reminder that you are limited to 20 posts per day phase and this limit will not be removed before EoD. Proxy voting is enabled (you should be able to find this in a dropdown below the quick reply box) which allows you to make a vote without making a post. This means you can still change your vote if you've used up all 20 of your posts. Please don't abuse this to communicate non-vote information without having to use up a post.
    • I'd like to request that you try to refrain from complaining about the post limit in the thread if it does prove stifling for you: you signed up for this, and seeing that isn't so fun for players who wouldn't be able to play the game without this post cap.
    • Let's all be excellent to one another!

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    Excessive pre-written opening wall time.

    Hi, I'm c4e5g3d5, or c4e5g3d5 for short. Most people prefer nicknames, and as long as I can tell you're referring to me, it flies. Nicknames I've received have ranged from Chessboy to C3peo to Numbers Guy, but most people just say c4.

    I'm familiar with a handful of players here. I played with Esooa, ikka and Wisdom last November in what was easily one of the most fun games of Mafia I've ever played, in no small part thanks to them. I played with Egix briefly on MS in a game that I unfortunately flaked out of due to over-signing up, but that hopefully won't be a problem with a post cap this low. I've also played with Hydreigon once.

    In my most recent MU game, a big problem I ran into a lot was much of the content I posted going largely unnoticed. Might be a result of my play, or circumstantial things, or both. Expect me to abuse pings due to this fact, and tell me when I do so.

    Let the pings begin.
    @Esooa @ikka @Wisdom
    Having played with me in the game mentioned above, do you have advice for how I can address this problem? Should I keep the pings rolling? Should I write more dramatically, like I did BOD3 when everyone started sheeping me? Should I get a PFP with a face in it? No, seriously, should I get a PFP with a face in it? Does that actually make a difference? I remember hk saying PFPs play a big part in post noticeability, and a small black zigzag might not cut it. Combine that with the fact that you all have faces, and I'm feeling peer-pressured to have a face.

    I would like everyone to briefly describe their playstyle and gameplan, because metadiving is tedious.

    My gameplan in short is to make bad reads until I can make good reads. Given that I voted for the lower postcount without the character limit, I will wallpost as shamelessly as humanly possible, and I will also try to overexplain as much as I can; a long dialogue is near impossible with this cap, so I’ll need to nip any arguments I engage in in the bud. That last part will be a bit of a new experience for me, and might be something I should adopt in my normal play.

    YKM ##Vote c4e5g3d5

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    Alright intro time. I'm 4maskwolf, typically shortened to 4mask or mask, and I'm the only Bay12 player you're likely to see outside of championship games. I've either played with none of you before (except Phi, but he's on the sub list atm) or with DEAF as scum in Old Cats (I don't know whether DEAF is a cheeky Frog alt, I think so but I don't know for sure).

    This is definitely my type of game. Historically speaking I don't tend to post a lot in general, and 48/24 is a tad tight on time by Bay12 standards, so the low post cap isn't going to change a whole lot of how I play. Probably will make ISOing people tedious as I have to chop up their posts into little bits to talk about, but that's life for you. That's really it for meta, I haven't played a standard-style game in over a year and this is the first standard game in... probably five years that I've actually been motivated in, so my meta is probably going to be more YMMV than usual.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    Nicknames I've received have ranged from Chessboy to C3peo to Numbers Guy, but most people just say c4.
    I'm going to go with c4. Or Unpronounceable McSelfVoter, I haven't decided yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    I remember hk saying PFPs play a big part in post noticeability, and a small black zigzag might not cut it.
    An eye-catching avatar can definitely draw attention to a post, but I'm not sure that'll be as big of a deal this game. Low post cap and wallposts being encouraged makes it hard to just skim over someone's post and forget about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    My gameplan in short is to make bad reads until I can make good reads.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#6)
    i'm familiar with the following

    @DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    @Egix96
    @Esooa
    @ikka
    @silmarils
    @Wisdom
    Thaaaaaaaat's gotta be the laziest intro post I've ever seen (from anyone not named lol). You used one of your 20 posts on this?

    ##Vote Hydreigon25

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    Hi, I'm LiLi041. You can call me LiLi if you want. Just not Lily.

    I've only played with Esooa before.

    My playstyle... I tend to be pretty aggressive when questioning my suspects (since I won't let them off until I get a satisfactory answer). I really dislike when people play really scummily btw, especially when they turn out to be town.

    Do know that I'll be going after the scummy players if I end up having time to spare for MU.

    I also blockpost quite a bit? Since I quote things and all.

    I try to share all my thoughts, especially on other people. I don't have anything to hide, and plus, that way other people can comment and help fix errors in judgement if need be.

    I tend to get tunnel-vision sometimes~ So it's good to have other people pull me back onto the right path if I go too far.

    If you guys want meta, I only have one game on MU and you guys can check it out if you want. I was Vanilla Town in that game, btw.

    I also have some games elsewhere but I've never been mafia before so if you guys want wolf-meta it's impossible.

    My gameplan is to just go after my suspects and press them for answers on their sus points? Not sure how easy that's going to be with a post limit but eh, I'll try~

    To c4:
    Please do ping me lots~

    Also, your profile pic is fine.

  9. ISO #9
    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)



    Excessive pre-written opening wall time.

    Hi, I'm c4e5g3d5, or c4e5g3d5 for short. Most people prefer nicknames, and as long as I can tell you're referring to me, it flies. Nicknames I've received have ranged from Chessboy to C3peo to Numbers Guy, but most people just say c4.

    I'm familiar with a handful of players here. I played with Esooa, ikka and Wisdom last November in what was easily one of the most fun games of Mafia I've ever played, in no small part thanks to them. I played with Egix briefly on MS in a game that I unfortunately flaked out of due to over-signing up, but that hopefully won't be a problem with a post cap this low. I've also played with Hydreigon once.

    In my most recent MU game, a big problem I ran into a lot was much of the content I posted going largely unnoticed. Might be a result of my play, or circumstantial things, or both. Expect me to abuse pings due to this fact, and tell me when I do so.

    Let the pings begin.
    @Esooa @ikka @Wisdom
    Having played with me in the game mentioned above, do you have advice for how I can address this problem? Should I keep the pings rolling? Should I write more dramatically, like I did BOD3 when everyone started sheeping me? Should I get a PFP with a face in it? No, seriously, should I get a PFP with a face in it? Does that actually make a difference? I remember hk saying PFPs play a big part in post noticeability, and a small black zigzag might not cut it. Combine that with the fact that you all have faces, and I'm feeling peer-pressured to have a face.

    I would like everyone to briefly describe their playstyle and gameplan, because metadiving is tedious.

    My gameplan in short is to make bad reads until I can make good reads. Given that I voted for the lower postcount without the character limit, I will wallpost as shamelessly as humanly possible, and I will also try to overexplain as much as I can; a long dialogue is near impossible with this cap, so I’ll need to nip any arguments I engage in in the bud. That last part will be a bit of a new experience for me, and might be something I should adopt in my normal play.

    YKM ##Vote c4e5g3d5
    Rook to c4e5g3d5,

    1. Introduction
    I'm Deaf. Please type loudly for me. I'm traveling in 12 hours for about 13 hours straight, and then in 36 hours I'll be traveling for another 8 hours or so. Looks like I'll make end of day today, but no promises. I'm available Central Time, only evenings for Day 1, and feel free to mention me endlessly.

    2. Player Associations
    I played with people here but I never remember names, games, nor aeroplanes so it means nothing to me. The only takeaway I can remember is I like Esooa, and I think Egix is a solid player.

    3. Obstacles and Solutions
    Yeah bro, if you want people to listen to you, formatting goes a long way, also mention specific people you want to listen to you. Probably my biggest issue is that I choose to post in weird fonts; I cannot change this.

    4. Reaching Out To Random People
    @NK15
    Hi, do you like memes? We should be meme friends. Also, let's invent a secret language to confuse everyone in the game.

    Z0rg sp4tul4 NK15 f1$h DEAF.

    @LiLi041

    Your name is alliterative
    I think that makes you a poet
    will our relationship be cooperative?
    No, because you're a wolf and I know it

    ##Vote LiLi041

    5. Game Plan
    Yeah that's a good enough game plan. If you're wolf I think I can get you so I'm not too worried, but you seem alright so far dude.


  10. ISO #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#6)
    i'm familiar with the following

    @DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    @Egix96
    @Esooa
    @ikka
    @silmarils
    @Wisdom
    Too Short Didn't Read

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#7)
    Alright intro time. I'm 4maskwolf, typically shortened to 4mask or mask, and I'm the only Bay12 player you're likely to see outside of championship games. I've either played with none of you before (except Phi, but he's on the sub list atm) or with DEAF as scum in Old Cats (I don't know whether DEAF is a cheeky Frog alt, I think so but I don't know for sure).

    This is definitely my type of game. Historically speaking I don't tend to post a lot in general, and 48/24 is a tad tight on time by Bay12 standards, so the low post cap isn't going to change a whole lot of how I play. Probably will make ISOing people tedious as I have to chop up their posts into little bits to talk about, but that's life for you. That's really it for meta, I haven't played a standard-style game in over a year and this is the first standard game in... probably five years that I've actually been motivated in, so my meta is probably going to be more YMMV than usual.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    Nicknames I've received have ranged from Chessboy to C3peo to Numbers Guy, but most people just say c4.
    I'm going to go with c4. Or Unpronounceable McSelfVoter, I haven't decided yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    I remember hk saying PFPs play a big part in post noticeability, and a small black zigzag might not cut it.
    An eye-catching avatar can definitely draw attention to a post, but I'm not sure that'll be as big of a deal this game. Low post cap and wallposts being encouraged makes it hard to just skim over someone's post and forget about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    My gameplan in short is to make bad reads until I can make good reads.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#6)
    i'm familiar with the following

    @DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    @Egix96
    @Esooa
    @ikka
    @silmarils
    @Wisdom
    Thaaaaaaaat's gotta be the laziest intro post I've ever seen (from anyone not named lol). You used one of your 20 posts on this?

    ##Vote Hydreigon25

    Too Long Didn't Read

    100% a wolf, with a mask, and the number 4.

    ##Vote 4maskwolf

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    Hi

    I've been thread sitting since the game started and I wanna just post a bunch but I'm gonna have to try really hard to limit myself considering the amount of things I usually like talking about and the scarcity of posts here. I'd say I'm confirmed town for not giving into my desire to post "first" when I was certainly able to get it but I doubt I'd want to play by limiting my post count (thus content) like that as wolf anyway.

    C4's post is whatever. It was pre-written so entirely NAI. I'm not entirely sure how to get more attention to your posts. Normally I'm really loud and aggressive but it's not an option to post 60 times in 60 minutes here so I'll have to see how to adapt myself.

    I'm unsure as to how to describe my playstyle. I just do what ever I feel like really. Which usually involves tunneling someone because they made a read I think is bad. But again, I'm not going to be able to question people or post as much as I normally do here so I'm probably going to try not to do that. In fact in the first low post count I played with @DEAFinitelyNotFrog I tunneled Enkidu for a bad post and used up basically my entire post count over a single night. It was fun regardless though and I don't regret it, but that was a 9er with 30 posts so yeah.

    My gameplan is to lynch scum

    I've played with c4 once, as was mentioned. I don't really recall much from them because I was more focused on how the $%#! do I not get lynched seeing as it was my first wolf game. Ikka falls into the same category

    I've played twice with DEAF. He's very fun to play with but also an intimidating player. Because of that I'll probably never be able to solidly town read him this game, lol

    I've played Hydregon a few times. Unfortunately, Mask, the post Hydregon made is about as expected from him he doesn't even hit 20 posts per day in non-light games, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

    I've played with NotMafia once. He was mafia and I was town. Not much to say here. He $%#!posted all game pretty much. I'd probably suggesting policy lynching him if he doesn't give actual content but that's just me

    I've played with Silmarils twice. Not much meta on it because both experiences were short lived, but I can say I'm excited to play with it again cause it's cool

    I've played with Wisdom a few times. I think I should be able to read them decently well considering my experience with them and admittedly bloated ego but we'll see.

    Not much to say on Mask's post. I'd say voting Hydregon is >rand scum because Hydregon is exactly rand!town and scum usually see him as an easy mislynch which is true, but yeah it's not that big of a read. Funny I say it though cause I had an idea earlier which involves

    ##Vote Hydreigon25

    but yeah.

    Lili's post feels awkward to me tbh. I simply do not like it. I'd leave it at that but I want to get EVERYTHING I CAN out of this post so let me try to explain

    honestly I think it has to do with the sentence structure. I don't like how everything said involves about a singular sentence and doesn't go into more detail. It could obviously be town and more likely is than not, but I get the vibe that her explanation was sort of quickly running through ideas until the post is large enough to feel good. Anyways, I think I put in about everything I need to so send post

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    HEYO!

    When I was getting ready to open my alignment, I was getting nervous because I was dreading rolling town, getting protected from jailkeep, and then getting chopped as the presumed mafia who got blocked. THE FLASHBACKS!!!! (This is why I don't remember games)

    But I remembered there's no jailkeeper here, so happy to roll Town! You excited for the 3-Peat Essoa?

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#11)
    Hi

    I've been thread sitting since the game started and I wanna just post a bunch but I'm gonna have to try really hard to limit myself considering the amount of things I usually like talking about and the scarcity of posts here. I'd say I'm confirmed town for not giving into my desire to post "first" when I was certainly able to get it but I doubt I'd want to play by limiting my post count (thus content) like that as wolf anyway.

    C4's post is whatever. It was pre-written so entirely NAI. I'm not entirely sure how to get more attention to your posts. Normally I'm really loud and aggressive but it's not an option to post 60 times in 60 minutes here so I'll have to see how to adapt myself.

    I'm unsure as to how to describe my playstyle. I just do what ever I feel like really. Which usually involves tunneling someone because they made a read I think is bad. But again, I'm not going to be able to question people or post as much as I normally do here so I'm probably going to try not to do that. In fact in the first low post count I played with @DEAFinitelyNotFrog I tunneled Enkidu for a bad post and used up basically my entire post count over a single night. It was fun regardless though and I don't regret it, but that was a 9er with 30 posts so yeah.

    My gameplan is to lynch scum

    I've played with c4 once, as was mentioned. I don't really recall much from them because I was more focused on how the $%#! do I not get lynched seeing as it was my first wolf game. Ikka falls into the same category

    I've played twice with DEAF. He's very fun to play with but also an intimidating player. Because of that I'll probably never be able to solidly town read him this game, lol

    I've played Hydregon a few times. Unfortunately, Mask, the post Hydregon made is about as expected from him he doesn't even hit 20 posts per day in non-light games, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

    I've played with NotMafia once. He was mafia and I was town. Not much to say here. He $%#!posted all game pretty much. I'd probably suggesting policy lynching him if he doesn't give actual content but that's just me

    I've played with Silmarils twice. Not much meta on it because both experiences were short lived, but I can say I'm excited to play with it again cause it's cool

    I've played with Wisdom a few times. I think I should be able to read them decently well considering my experience with them and admittedly bloated ego but we'll see.

    Not much to say on Mask's post. I'd say voting Hydregon is >rand scum because Hydregon is exactly rand!town and scum usually see him as an easy mislynch which is true, but yeah it's not that big of a read. Funny I say it though cause I had an idea earlier which involves

    ##Vote Hydreigon25

    but yeah.


    Lili's post feels awkward to me tbh.
    I simply do not like it. I'd leave it at that but I want to get EVERYTHING I CAN out of this post so let me try to explain

    honestly I think it has to do with the sentence structure. I don't like how everything said involves about a singular sentence and doesn't go into more detail. It could obviously be town and more likely is than not, but I get the vibe that her explanation was sort of quickly running through ideas until the post is large enough to feel good. Anyways, I think I put in about everything I need to so send post
    Same tbh, and I think it's because of the truncated way she forms her sentences; It makes them seem abrupt and awkward.

    4mask's post just felt like a big nothing burger. I can't tell if the vote thingy he did was alignment indicative or not. I have a theory there but I'll withhold it for later on in the day after everyone has at least checked in.

    If there's a wolf in people who posted so far... actually I don't really think a wolf has posted so far.

    ##Unvote


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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    ##Vote NK15
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    Writing this post cumulatively. Trying to respond to, well, everything, to get as much out of each post as possible, so bear with me. Planning on spacing my posts out to have around 12 posts from other people between two posts from me so that my posting rate stays average. Right now, though, this thread looks like it really needs something AI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#7)
    I'm going to go with c4. Or Unpronounceable McSelfVoter, I haven't decided yet.
    Well, I would recommend c4 for convenience, but given the cap, you might have time to spell out your other suggestion in each post.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#7)
    An eye-catching avatar can definitely draw attention to a post, but I'm not sure that'll be as big of a deal this game. Low post cap and wallposts being encouraged makes it hard to just skim over someone's post and forget about it.
    Idk, sometimes I find I need to remind myself whose post I'm reading when I'm in the middle or at the end of a particularly long wall, and it might be easier to remember whose wall it is with a PFP that has a little more personality.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#7)
    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    My gameplan in short is to make bad reads until I can make good reads.
    Locktown

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#7)
    Thaaaaaaaat's gotta be the laziest intro post I've ever seen (from anyone not named lol). You used one of your 20 posts on this?

    ##Vote Hydreigon25
    Unfortunately my experience with Hydreigon is that he'll always be a bit TWTBAW. I would prefer not to PL him.

    @LiLi041

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiLi041 (#8)
    To c4:
    Please do ping me lots~

    Also, your profile pic is fine.
    Aww why is MU so nice?

    @DEAFinitelyNotFrog

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#9)
    Yeah bro, if you want people to listen to you, formatting goes a long way
    Kek

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#9)
    4. Reaching Out To Random People
    @NK15
    Hi, do you like memes? We should be meme friends. Also, let's invent a secret language to confuse everyone in the game.

    Z0rg sp4tul4 NK15 f1$h DEAF.
    For some reason I want to call this the first AI thing in the thread, but I’m getting a headache figuring out what it actually indicates. Generally posts that do this to me are town so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#9)
    [FONT=Arial Black][I] @LiLi041

    Your name is alliterative
    I think that makes you a poet
    will our relationship be cooperative?
    No, because you're a wolf and I know it

    ##Vote LiLi041
    This is even worse because I have an opinion now and actually think this is towny but I have no idea why.

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#9)
    5. Game Plan
    Yeah that's a good enough game plan. If you're wolf I think I can get you so I'm not too worried, but you seem alright so far dude.
    I'll take that as both an insult and a compliment.

    (p#10)

    You should probably get used to merging your posts with this cap.

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#12)
    Same tbh, and I think it's because of the truncated way she forms her sentences; It makes them seem abrupt and awkward.
    This has an air of early game opportunism that probably won't lead to anything, but it's the wolfiest thing said so far by default so ##Vote DEAFinitelyNotFrog

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#12)
    If there's a wolf in people who posted so far... actually I don't really think a wolf has posted so far.
    Wait now that opportunism argument doesn’t apply anymore. ##Unvote

    @Esooa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#11)
    I've played with c4 once, as was mentioned. I don't really recall much from them because I was more focused on how the $%#! do I not get lynched seeing as it was my first wolf game. Ikka falls into the same category
    You paid enough attention to me to try to murder me D1 and then actually murder me N3.

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#11)
    I've played with Wisdom a few times. I think I should be able to read them decently well considering my experience with them and admittedly bloated ego but we'll see.
    Ego = town
    Self-awareness = scum
    You’re not making this easy for me. Probably towny though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#11)
    Lili's post feels awkward to me tbh. I simply do not like it. I'd leave it at that but I want to get EVERYTHING I CAN out of this post so let me try to explain

    honestly I think it has to do with the sentence structure. I don't like how everything said involves about a singular sentence and doesn't go into more detail. It could obviously be town and more likely is than not, but I get the vibe that her explanation was sort of quickly running through ideas until the post is large enough to feel good.
    The fact that you think it’s a writing style thing and nothing more probably means it’s exactly that. Still a good look that you said it.

    Town: Everyone
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    hi

    oh god i didnt realize deaf was in this one i see fancy font

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#6)
    i'm familiar with the following

    @DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    @Egix96
    @Esooa
    @ikka
    @silmarils
    @Wisdom
    this me - ikka i think

    deafs changed fonts so hes wolf

    c4e intro i felt was a bit stilted which means theyre probably being legit about it being prewritten lmao
    + also regarding c4es later post seconding the hydre read

    disagree with 4mask about hydros intro post needing a vote, as wolf in one of these i felt way more pressured to make an intro post than i do as town and i think hydre post is nai-slight town on principal

    like lils openness about their one game but dont think the meta is that worthwhile without a mafia game to compare it to, not that im going to bc im lazy but i like having the option given to me

    bbl when more stuff happens

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    P#5 "I would like everyone to briefly describe their playstyle and gameplan, because metadiving is tedious."

    I'm probably not going to be particularly proactive until later Days. I don't really go into games with a specific plan; I intend to mostly take things as they come in the meantime.

    P#9 "I think Egix is a solid player."

    I'm flattered tbh.

    P#11 "Lili's post feels awkward to me tbh. I simply do not like it. I'd leave it at that but I want to get EVERYTHING I CAN out of this post so let me try to explain"

    Eh, the only issue I saw with it was her saying that she's never been scum "before" but I feel like I'm being overly nitpicky.

    P#12 "When I was getting ready to open my alignment, I was getting nervous because I was dreading rolling town, getting protected from jailkeep, and then getting chopped as the presumed mafia who got blocked. THE FLASHBACKS!!!! (This is why I don't remember games)

    But I remembered there's no jailkeeper here, so happy to roll Town!"

    Faaaaake.

    ##Vote DEAFinitelyNotFrog

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    2 Hydreigon25 4maskwolf (1), Esooa (1)
    1 NK15 DEAFinitelyNotFrog (3)
    1 DEAFinitelyNotFrog Egix96 (1)
    9 Not voting AbashT (0), Hydreigon25 (1), ikka (0), LiLi041 (1), NK15 (0), NotMafia (0), silmarils (2), Wisdom (0), c4e5g3d5 (2)

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    I'm here and hype and stuff!

    Just because it's a low post count doesn't mean everyone needs to wallpost all the time, just a tip.

    Hydre has done nothing AI. And tbh I don't think he's done anything wrong either. He likely won't post cap anyway.

    I won't conserve my posts intentionally. I think it's better to have this game in somewhat a decent flow with a lot of interactions, than everyone playing by themselves making huge wall posts. We need to find each other and cooperate, don't let the post count scare you!

    I've played with half the player list, looking forward to get to know the rest of you as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#11)
    Not much to say on Mask's post. I'd say voting Hydregon is >rand scum because Hydregon is exactly rand!town and scum usually see him as an easy mislynch which is true, but yeah it's not that big of a read. Funny I say it though cause I had an idea earlier which involves

    ##Vote Hydreigon25

    but yeah.
    Someone has certainly put some thought into who they could get an ML on.

    I don't think it was me, though.

    ##Vote Esooa

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#12)
    4mask's post just felt like a big nothing burger.
    Correct

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#14)
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#7)
    Thaaaaaaaat's gotta be the laziest intro post I've ever seen (from anyone not named lol). You used one of your 20 posts on this?

    ##Vote Hydreigon25
    Unfortunately my experience with Hydreigon is that he'll always be a bit TWTBAW. I would prefer not to PL him.
    This does seem to be the general attitude everyone's taking towards him. I mostly voted him to try and pressure him to engage; disengaged players are deadweight.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#14)
    Town: Everyone
    Null: Hydreigon
    I assume this refers to "everyone who posted up till this point"?

    Quote Originally Posted by silmarils (#15)
    You have no idea how many times I replayed this video after you posted it.

    Quote Originally Posted by silmarils (#16)
    disagree with 4mask about hydros intro post needing a vote, as wolf in one of these i felt way more pressured to make an intro post than i do as town and i think hydre post is nai-slight town on principal
    This is a bad take, but it feels like a townie bad take more (especially when compared to Esooa's). Nowhere in my post do I say, imply, or intend anything about needing a vote in your opening post. Hydre's OP is NAI but lazy, so I placed a vote on him to encourage him to engage. Simple as rounded pi and a lot more accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#19)
    I think it's better to have this game in somewhat a decent flow with a lot of interactions, than everyone playing by themselves making huge wall posts. We need to find each other and cooperate, don't let the post count scare you!
    You can go in the town pile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#14)
    Writing this post cumulatively. Trying to respond to, well, everything, to get as much out of each post as possible, so bear with me. Planning on spacing my posts out to have around 12 posts from other people between two posts from me so that my posting rate stays average. Right now, though, this thread looks like it really needs something AI.

    @4maskwolf

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#7)
    I'm going to go with c4. Or Unpronounceable McSelfVoter, I haven't decided yet.
    Well, I would recommend c4 for convenience, but given the cap, you might have time to spell out your other suggestion in each post.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#7)
    An eye-catching avatar can definitely draw attention to a post, but I'm not sure that'll be as big of a deal this game. Low post cap and wallposts being encouraged makes it hard to just skim over someone's post and forget about it.
    Idk, sometimes I find I need to remind myself whose post I'm reading when I'm in the middle or at the end of a particularly long wall, and it might be easier to remember whose wall it is with a PFP that has a little more personality.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#7)
    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    My gameplan in short is to make bad reads until I can make good reads.
    Locktown

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#7)
    Thaaaaaaaat's gotta be the laziest intro post I've ever seen (from anyone not named lol). You used one of your 20 posts on this?

    ##Vote Hydreigon25
    Unfortunately my experience with Hydreigon is that he'll always be a bit TWTBAW. I would prefer not to PL him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiLi041 (#8)
    To c4:
    Please do ping me lots~

    Also, your profile pic is fine.
    Aww why is MU so nice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#9)
    Yeah bro, if you want people to listen to you, formatting goes a long way
    Kek

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#9)
    4. Reaching Out To Random People
    @NK15
    Hi, do you like memes? We should be meme friends. Also, let's invent a secret language to confuse everyone in the game.

    Z0rg sp4tul4 NK15 f1$h DEAF.
    For some reason I want to call this the first AI thing in the thread, but I’m getting a headache figuring out what it actually indicates. Generally posts that do this to me are town so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#9)
    [FONT=Arial Black][I] @LiLi041

    Your name is alliterative
    I think that makes you a poet
    will our relationship be cooperative?
    No, because you're a wolf and I know it

    ##Vote LiLi041
    This is even worse because I have an opinion now and actually think this is towny but I have no idea why.

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#9)
    5. Game Plan
    Yeah that's a good enough game plan. If you're wolf I think I can get you so I'm not too worried, but you seem alright so far dude.

    I'll take that as both an insult and a compliment.

    (p#10)

    You should probably get used to merging your posts with this cap.

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#12)
    Same tbh, and I think it's because of the truncated way she forms her sentences; It makes them seem abrupt and awkward.
    This has an air of early game opportunism that probably won't lead to anything, but it's the wolfiest thing said so far by default so ##Vote DEAFinitelyNotFrog

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#12)
    If there's a wolf in people who posted so far... actually I don't really think a wolf has posted so far.
    Wait now that opportunism argument doesn’t apply anymore. ##Unvote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#11)
    I've played with c4 once, as was mentioned. I don't really recall much from them because I was more focused on how the $%#! do I not get lynched seeing as it was my first wolf game. Ikka falls into the same category
    You paid enough attention to me to try to murder me D1 and then actually murder me N3.

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#11)
    I've played with Wisdom a few times. I think I should be able to read them decently well considering my experience with them and admittedly bloated ego but we'll see.
    Ego = town
    Self-awareness = scum
    You’re not making this easy for me. Probably towny though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#11)
    Lili's post feels awkward to me tbh. I simply do not like it. I'd leave it at that but I want to get EVERYTHING I CAN out of this post so let me try to explain

    honestly I think it has to do with the sentence structure. I don't like how everything said involves about a singular sentence and doesn't go into more detail. It could obviously be town and more likely is than not, but I get the vibe that her explanation was sort of quickly running through ideas until the post is large enough to feel good.
    The fact that you think it’s a writing style thing and nothing more probably means it’s exactly that. Still a good look that you said it.

    Town: Everyone
    Null: Hydreigon
    DON'T TAKE IT AS AN INSULT. YOUR STYLE APPEARS TO BE EMOTIONALLY VULNERABLE, SO WITH THAT TYPE OF APPROACH GENUINENESS EASILY LEAKS THROUGH OR IT DOESN'T. THERE ARE WAYS TO TEST THIS IF IT BECOMES NECESSARY BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WON'T BE NECESSARY.

    I'M PROBABLY GOING TO STAND BY THIS READ UNTIL DAY 3 OR DAY 4, AND THEN REASSESS:

    TOWN:
    DEAF
    C4
    HYDREIGON25
    4MASKWOLF
    LILI041
    ESOOA

    SUSPECT POOL:
    SILMARILS
    EGIX
    WISDOM
    AbashT
    ikka
    NK15
    NotMafia

    I'M FEELING CONFIDENT THAT MAFIA WASNT IN THE FIRST 6 POSTERS AT ALL, AND PRETTY CONFIDENT BOTH MAFIA ARE IN THE FINAL 7 POSTERS. THERE'S ALSO A PRETTY SUS MATHEMATICAL EXPLANATION FOR THIS, BUT THE BACKGROUND THEIRY IS JUST THAT WOLVES ARE AFRAID TO POST EARLY IN THIS TYPE OF SETUP BECAUSE ITS AWKWARD AND MORE EXPOSING THAN NORMAL.


    Quote Originally Posted by silmarils (#15)


    hi

    oh god i didnt realize deaf was in this one i see fancy font
    MUAHAHAHAHA

    Quote Originally Posted by silmarils (#16)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#6)
    i'm familiar with the following

    @DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    @Egix96
    @Esooa
    @ikka
    @silmarils
    @Wisdom
    this me - ikka i think

    deafs changed fonts so hes wolf

    c4e intro i felt was a bit stilted which means theyre probably being legit about it being prewritten lmao
    + also regarding c4es later post seconding the hydre read

    disagree with 4mask about hydros intro post needing a vote, as wolf in one of these i felt way more pressured to make an intro post than i do as town and i think hydre post is nai-slight town on principal

    like lils openness about their one game but dont think the meta is that worthwhile without a mafia game to compare it to, not that im going to bc im lazy but i like having the option given to me

    bbl when more stuff happens
    LOW KEY WANT TO LOCK SILMARILS IN AS TOWN FOR REMEMBERING ME AND JOKINGLY (OR REAL) SUSSING ME. BUT I WON'T. BECAUSE ITS JUST A NEWSCASTER TYPE POST. DOES ANYONE GET WHAT I MEAN BY THAT? 'NEWSCASTER'.


    Quote Originally Posted by Egix96 (#17)
    P#5 "I would like everyone to briefly describe their playstyle and gameplan, because metadiving is tedious."

    I'm probably not going to be particularly proactive until later Days. I don't really go into games with a specific plan; I intend to mostly take things as they come in the meantime.

    P#9 "I think Egix is a solid player."

    I'm flattered tbh.

    P#11 "Lili's post feels awkward to me tbh. I simply do not like it. I'd leave it at that but I want to get EVERYTHING I CAN out of this post so let me try to explain"

    Eh, the only issue I saw with it was her saying that she's never been scum "before" but I feel like I'm being overly nitpicky.

    P#12 "When I was getting ready to open my alignment, I was getting nervous because I was dreading rolling town, getting protected from jailkeep, and then getting chopped as the presumed mafia who got blocked. THE FLASHBACKS!!!! (This is why I don't remember games)

    But I remembered there's no jailkeeper here, so happy to roll Town!"

    Faaaaake.

    ##Vote DEAFinitelyNotFrog

    1. HELLO
    2. YOU ARE THE REAL DEAL, EXPECTING GREATNESS ETC.
    3. I REALLY WAS SUPER NERVOUS TO ROLL TOWN BECAUSE OF MY LAST GAME AND AM NOW ACTUALLY REALLY EXCITED TO SPLASH BRO/SIS THIS GAME WITH ESOOA.

    Legendaaaaaaaaaary

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    I'm just waiting for all of you to make shorter, easy to read posts tbh :P

    I don't like your list Frog, but that might be a style thing that I have to adjust to, we seem to be quite different overall.

    I agree with Frog's take on Esooa's vote on Hydre. I was thinking about the same. It's as close of a wolf read that I currently have. I'm not really good at reading Esooa though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#12)
    If there's a wolf in people who posted so far... actually I don't really think a wolf has posted so far.
    What happened before:
    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    Excessive pre-written opening wall time.
    (Only post before that post above)
    DIRECTLY above:
    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#12)
    4mask's post just felt like a big nothing burger. I can't tell if the vote thingy he did was alignment indicative or not. I have a theory there but I'll withhold it for later on in the day after everyone has at least checked in.
    It is obvious that there's something wrong. The first could be town forgetting that, even if it isn't that likely. But the two contradicting sentences right next to each other? That just does not make sense unless these sentences were constructed to look towny independently. No town would do this. It can only be a wolf error.

    ##Vote DEAFinitelyNotFrog

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    I'm not following the case you're making, NK. It feels like there's a sentence or two missing that would make the whole thing make sense that you have in your head but never made it to the paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egix96 (#17)

    P#12 "When I was getting ready to open my alignment, I was getting nervous because I was dreading rolling town, getting protected from jailkeep, and then getting chopped as the presumed mafia who got blocked. THE FLASHBACKS!!!! (This is why I don't remember games)

    But I remembered there's no jailkeeper here, so happy to roll Town!"

    Faaaaake.

    ##Vote DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    It's a joke based on how the previous game I played with him went. Maybe you know this and think it's a fake joke but yeah.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#20)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#11)
    Not much to say on Mask's post. I'd say voting Hydregon is >rand scum because Hydregon is exactly rand!town and scum usually see him as an easy mislynch which is true, but yeah it's not that big of a read. Funny I say it though cause I had an idea earlier which involves

    ##Vote Hydreigon25

    but yeah.
    Someone has certainly put some thought into who they could get an ML on.

    I don't think it was me, though.

    ##Vote Esooa

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#14)
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#7)
    Thaaaaaaaat's gotta be the laziest intro post I've ever seen (from anyone not named lol). You used one of your 20 posts on this?

    ##Vote Hydreigon25
    Unfortunately my experience with Hydreigon is that he'll always be a bit TWTBAW. I would prefer not to PL him.
    This does seem to be the general attitude everyone's taking towards him. I mostly voted him to try and pressure him to engage; disengaged players are deadweight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#19)
    I think it's better to have this game in somewhat a decent flow with a lot of interactions, than everyone playing by themselves making huge wall posts. We need to find each other and cooperate, don't let the post count scare you!
    You can go in the town pile.
    You read on my vote is extremely awful. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it and my only conclusion is that you're scum. The fact you think I'm going to point out it's wolfy to push on Hydregon and say you're >than rand wolf for it then literally do it myself while saying I was "thinking about mislynching hydre is just... I can't. The fact you feel the need to walk back your vote with a poor justification later, saying it was a pressure vote when it clearly was not worded as such, leads me to believe again that you're just being oddly defenseive. Which is scummy as $%#!. ##Vote 4maskwolf

    Also is wisdom your partner? I think she is.

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#21)

    1. HELLO
    2. YOU ARE THE REAL DEAL, EXPECTING GREATNESS ETC.
    3. I REALLY WAS SUPER NERVOUS TO ROLL TOWN BECAUSE OF MY LAST GAME AND AM NOW ACTUALLY REALLY EXCITED TO SPLASH BRO/SIS THIS GAME WITH ESOOA.

    Legendaaaaaaaaaary
    That's sweet, I'm excited to play with you too. Hopefully you are town. Anyways you're also wrong about your mask read

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#24)
    I'm not following the case you're making, NK. It feels like there's a sentence or two missing that would make the whole thing make sense that you have in your head but never made it to the paper.
    He says that he doesn't think that a wolf posted until that post, despite just having declared someone's only post "not alignment indicative" and having quoted the (then) sole post of someone that disclaims that it was pre-written...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#25)
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#20)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#11)
    Not much to say on Mask's post. I'd say voting Hydregon is >rand scum because Hydregon is exactly rand!town and scum usually see him as an easy mislynch which is true, but yeah it's not that big of a read. Funny I say it though cause I had an idea earlier which involves

    ##Vote Hydreigon25

    but yeah.
    Someone has certainly put some thought into who they could get an ML on.

    I don't think it was me, though.

    ##Vote Esooa
    You read on my vote is extremely awful. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it and my only conclusion is that you're scum. The fact you think I'm going to point out it's wolfy to push on Hydregon and say you're >than rand wolf for it then literally do it myself while saying I was "thinking about mislynching hydre is just... I can't. The fact you feel the need to walk back your vote with a poor justification later, saying it was a pressure vote when it clearly was not worded as such, leads me to believe again that you're just being oddly defenseive. Which is scummy as $%#!. ##Vote 4maskwolf
    I don't think you're voting hydre to get a mislynch, I'm accusing you of putting far too much thought into who you'd mislynch. Which you clearly did.
    "Clearly was not worded as such" all I said was that it was the laziest intro I'd ever seen. Which it was. Therefore, I voted him to pressure him into talking more. Again, people who don't talk are deadweight.

    Your OMGUS case is noted but it's honestly just bad, you're just lashing out at the person who sus'd you and grasping at straws to put together a "reasonable" case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#27)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#25)
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#20)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#11)
    Not much to say on Mask's post. I'd say voting Hydregon is >rand scum because Hydregon is exactly rand!town and scum usually see him as an easy mislynch which is true, but yeah it's not that big of a read. Funny I say it though cause I had an idea earlier which involves

    ##Vote Hydreigon25

    but yeah.
    Someone has certainly put some thought into who they could get an ML on.

    I don't think it was me, though.

    ##Vote Esooa
    You read on my vote is extremely awful. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it and my only conclusion is that you're scum. The fact you think I'm going to point out it's wolfy to push on Hydregon and say you're >than rand wolf for it then literally do it myself while saying I was "thinking about mislynching hydre is just... I can't. The fact you feel the need to walk back your vote with a poor justification later, saying it was a pressure vote when it clearly was not worded as such, leads me to believe again that you're just being oddly defenseive. Which is scummy as $%#!. ##Vote 4maskwolf
    I don't think you're voting hydre to get a mislynch, I'm accusing you of putting far too much thought into who you'd mislynch. Which you clearly did.
    "Clearly was not worded as such" all I said was that it was the laziest intro I'd ever seen. Which it was. Therefore, I voted him to pressure him into talking more. Again, people who don't talk are deadweight.

    Your OMGUS case is noted but it's honestly just bad, you're just lashing out at the person who sus'd you and grasping at straws to put together a "reasonable" case.
    yeah, I'm really just out here posting in mafia chat who we should try to mislynch today then bringing those exact thoughts into the thread cause raisons. It definitely has nothing to do with it being factually true Hydre is an easy mislynch, and that I know this because I've played with him before, as stated. I'm a caught wolf.

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    The amount that you’re freaking out under the slightest pressure is honestly watching more telling than my initial, and fully admittedly weak, case on you. For all that you accuse me of being defensive for clarifying my vote, your response to pressure was to launch into an immediate OMGUS and then double down on the defensiveness.

    It’s honestly like looking into a mirror, you’re following all the same beats I used to when I was scum. Someone voting me day one? Go on the attack, OMGUS the $%#! out of them and try and attack the intentions behind their case. Then go into snarky dismissiveness: you’re “town” and know it, so their case isn obviously bad and deserves to be mocked. It usually works, too, because people read confidence as townie.

    Won’t work on me, though, I’ve done it enough not to fall for it.

    Everyone else: take a good look at Esooa’s posts. Notice how she claims that “who would be an easy mislynch” isn’t a scummy thought because she knew the answer from past experience, yet claims that i am >rand scum for supposedly having the same thought (despite not having played with anyone here before and thus, by definition, NOT being able to know that). Look at how she immediately went into an OMGUS with blatant case misrepresentation when called out. And take note of her tone: smug dismissiveness is a frequent tool of scum because it’s easy to fake, looks confident, and is hard to tear down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#29)
    The amount that you’re freaking out under the slightest pressure is honestly watching more telling than my initial, and fully admittedly weak, case on you. For all that you accuse me of being defensive for clarifying my vote, your response to pressure was to launch into an immediate OMGUS and then double down on the defensiveness.

    It’s honestly like looking into a mirror, you’re following all the same beats I used to when I was scum. Someone voting me day one? Go on the attack, OMGUS the $%#! out of them and try and attack the intentions behind their case. Then go into snarky dismissiveness: you’re “town” and know it, so their case isn obviously bad and deserves to be mocked. It usually works, too, because people read confidence as townie.

    Won’t work on me, though, I’ve done it enough not to fall for it.

    Everyone else: take a good look at Esooa’s posts. Notice how she claims that “who would be an easy mislynch” isn’t a scummy thought because she knew the answer from past experience, yet claims that i am >rand scum for supposedly having the same thought (despite not having played with anyone here before and thus, by definition, NOT being able to know that). Look at how she immediately went into an OMGUS with blatant case misrepresentation when called out. And take note of her tone: smug dismissiveness is a frequent tool of scum because it’s easy to fake, looks confident, and is hard to tear down.
    omgus is good, actually.

    "The amount that you’re freaking out under the slightest pressure is honestly watching more telling than my initial, and fully admittedly weak, case on you."

    again you never said anything about it being a weak case. You're walking back reasons because you know they're bad. You're trying to dismiss my case by acting as if I'm "freaking out" which is blatantly untrue and trying to say it's nothing but OMGUS.

    "Everyone else: take a good look at Esooa’s posts. Notice how she claims that “who would be an easy mislynch” isn’t a scummy thought because she knew the answer from past experience, yet claims that i am >rand scum for supposedly having the same thought"

    nope. You're misrepping the point cause it's accurate. I never said thinking who would be an easy mislynch is a scummy thought. I said you acting on it by voting Hydregon is. Your vote was not a pressure vote. It's clearly not worded as such and the impulse for it wasn't such. My vote was. The specific reasoning is that Hydregon is extremely polarized as a player and the easiest way to figure out what his alignment is is vote him, because of his reactions to being voted. Even this, however, was not something I cared about much and was an "admittedly weak case"

    want to know the difference here, btw

    I said as much in my own post

    I explained my thoughts

    Like townies do

    I didn't try to magically prescribe meaning that wasn't there originally to my posts, like you're trying to do.

    "smug dismissiveness is a frequent tool of scum because it’s easy to fake, looks confident, and is hard to tear down"

    it's also a town frequently used by me as town (actually more often than as scum) cause I like getting wolves lynched and pushing you like this is a good way to do that. So good luck with this point

    Notice, by the way, how your case also is nothing but "OMGUS" and yet I managed to give accurate reasons for why your posts are scummy without needing to mention that

    I'm not going to post about this more until I feel the need to actually talk to townies about it (this is more to hold myself to it than a necessary statement in thread)

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    NK15 def town
    There's probably a wolf or two in Esooa/4mask/DEAF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#31)
    NK15 def town
    There's probably a wolf or two in Esooa/4mask/DEAF
    I’d go even further and say “probably exactly one wolf”. Esooa and DEAF’s interactions are either t/t (highly unlikely) or w/t, never w/w.

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    Yay, I just started of with getting my first post deleted due to getting logged out while writing it... Being super tired from work, I can't guarantee that I remember everything that I wanted to write, but some of the things I wanted to say were:

    I think it's interesting that most players seem to think LiLi's opening was awkward but nai. I got the feeling that LiLi tries hard to appear towny and that she could in fact be a wolf. Idk how to explain it well, but it's something with her being very "agreeable", when she said that she's aggressive and might tunnel scum but also wants to be told to stop and she doesn't know if she'll have time to be very aggressive in this game or not. It's not very strong, but I got a bad vibe.

    C4's opening seemed good enough for me. Sure, he talked a lot about previous games and his profile pic (I think that pic is fine - it's not a very spice pic but it stands out enough and I've gotten used to it), but nothing really pinged me about it and I think his approach to the game seems towny enough if he follows up on it.

    Hydre's post is NAI, but I can see how someone who doesn't know him (4maks) would vote him for it. I think it's a bit opportunistic for Esooa to vote him when she, imo, had more negative things to say about LiLi.

    NK15 found a detail that he thought was wolfy and pointed it out. I'm gonna have to re-read that to see if I fully get what he said. I've only played with him once before and he was misyeeted D1, but from what I can remember, his approach here seems similar.

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    Right, I wanted to answer C4's question about my approach to this game:

    I'm not very good at analyzing my own play style etc, but I want to interact with a lot of people, and also to read others from interactions. I'm gonna try not to get stuck on small details that don't matter, but I probably shouldn't promise that it won't happen. I believe that founding townies to trust is as important as finding and yeeting the wolves. My posts will probably be a mix between shorter posts and longer walls. I find it harder to get into the game if I try to start off with to massive posts, so at the moment I'm writing posts that are a bit shorter to just say something.

    I've played a lot with Wisdom (mostly IRL though) and a few games with Hydre. Other that that, I think I've played one game each with Esooa, NK15 (who got misyeeteed D1) and Egix.

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    Playstyle notes: Not super proactive; read as soft-spoken.

    Quote Originally Posted by Egix96 (#17)
    P#12 "When I was getting ready to open my alignment, I was getting nervous because I was dreading rolling town, getting protected from jailkeep, and then getting chopped as the presumed mafia who got blocked. THE FLASHBACKS!!!! (This is why I don't remember games)

    But I remembered there's no jailkeeper here, so happy to roll Town!"

    Faaaaake.

    ##Vote DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    Cool, you’re town until I notice you again.

    Thoughts on @4maskwolf vs. @Esooa are:

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#25)
    The fact you feel the need to walk back your vote with a poor justification later, saying it was a pressure vote when it clearly was not worded as such,
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#29)
    The amount that you’re freaking out under the slightest pressure is honestly watching more telling than my initial, and fully admittedly weak, case on you. For all that you accuse me of being defensive for clarifying my vote, your response to pressure was to launch into an immediate OMGUS and then double down on the defensiveness.
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#29)
    And take note of her tone: smug dismissiveness is a frequent tool of scum because it’s easy to fake, looks confident, and is hard to tear down.
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#30)
    again you never said anything about it being a weak case. You're walking back reasons because you know they're bad. You're trying to dismiss my case by acting as if I'm "freaking out" which is blatantly untrue and trying to say it's nothing but OMGUS.
    It’s a petty slapfight. That’s literally all it is.

    My townreads on both of you are getting stronger off of this, so hey, it wasn’t all wasted breath.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#31)
    There's probably a wolf or two in Esooa/4mask/DEAF
    Now this is opportunistic as $%#!. ##Vote Wisdom

    NK15 hasn’t given me much of note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)


    Excessive pre-written opening wall time.

    Hi, I'm c4e5g3d5, or c4e5g3d5 for short. Most people prefer nicknames, and as long as I can tell you're referring to me, it flies. Nicknames I've received have ranged from Chessboy to C3peo to Numbers Guy, but most people just say c4.

    I'm familiar with a handful of players here. I played with Esooa, ikka and Wisdom last November in what was easily one of the most fun games of Mafia I've ever played, in no small part thanks to them. I played with Egix briefly on MS in a game that I unfortunately flaked out of due to over-signing up, but that hopefully won't be a problem with a post cap this low. I've also played with Hydreigon once.

    In my most recent MU game, a big problem I ran into a lot was much of the content I posted going largely unnoticed. Might be a result of my play, or circumstantial things, or both. Expect me to abuse pings due to this fact, and tell me when I do so.

    Let the pings begin.
    @Esooa @ikka @Wisdom
    Having played with me in the game mentioned above, do you have advice for how I can address this problem? Should I keep the pings rolling? Should I write more dramatically, like I did BOD3 when everyone started sheeping me? Should I get a PFP with a face in it? No, seriously, should I get a PFP with a face in it? Does that actually make a difference? I remember hk saying PFPs play a big part in post noticeability, and a small black zigzag might not cut it. Combine that with the fact that you all have faces, and I'm feeling peer-pressured to have a face.

    I would like everyone to briefly describe their playstyle and gameplan, because metadiving is tedious.

    My gameplan in short is to make bad reads until I can make good reads. Given that I voted for the lower postcount without the character limit, I will wallpost as shamelessly as humanly possible, and I will also try to overexplain as much as I can; a long dialogue is near impossible with this cap, so I’ll need to nip any arguments I engage in in the bud. That last part will be a bit of a new experience for me, and might be something I should adopt in my normal play.

    YKM ##Vote c4e5g3d5
    tl;dr

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    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#35)
    Now this is opportunistic as $%#!.
    No, I think people voting Hydre based on his first post was opportunistic, hence I think there could very well be a wolf in 4mask and Esooa, although they're obviously not w/w.

    DEAF is a seperate wolf read, based on agreeing with NK15 in P#23

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    It is now 10:47:49 AM EST on Tuesday, January 19th, 2021. There are 1611187260000 remaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#35)
    @Egix96

    Playstyle notes: Not super proactive; read as soft-spoken.

    Quote Originally Posted by Egix96 (#17)
    P#12 "When I was getting ready to open my alignment, I was getting nervous because I was dreading rolling town, getting protected from jailkeep, and then getting chopped as the presumed mafia who got blocked. THE FLASHBACKS!!!! (This is why I don't remember games)

    But I remembered there's no jailkeeper here, so happy to roll Town!"

    Faaaaake.

    ##Vote DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    Cool, you’re town until I notice you again.

    Thoughts on @4maskwolf vs. @Esooa are:

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#25)
    The fact you feel the need to walk back your vote with a poor justification later, saying it was a pressure vote when it clearly was not worded as such,
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#29)
    The amount that you’re freaking out under the slightest pressure is honestly watching more telling than my initial, and fully admittedly weak, case on you. For all that you accuse me of being defensive for clarifying my vote, your response to pressure was to launch into an immediate OMGUS and then double down on the defensiveness.
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#29)
    And take note of her tone: smug dismissiveness is a frequent tool of scum because it’s easy to fake, looks confident, and is hard to tear down.
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#30)
    again you never said anything about it being a weak case. You're walking back reasons because you know they're bad. You're trying to dismiss my case by acting as if I'm "freaking out" which is blatantly untrue and trying to say it's nothing but OMGUS.
    It’s a petty slapfight. That’s literally all it is.

    My townreads on both of you are getting stronger off of this, so hey, it wasn’t all wasted breath.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#31)
    There's probably a wolf or two in Esooa/4mask/DEAF
    Now this is opportunistic as $%#!. ##Vote Wisdom

    NK15 hasn’t given me much of note.
    dr;bp

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotMafia (#36)
    tl;dr
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#37)
    No, I think people voting Hydre based on his first post was opportunistic, hence I think there could very well be a wolf in 4mask and Esooa, although they're obviously not w/w.

    DEAF is a seperate wolf read, based on agreeing with NK15 in P#23
    Okay, that's an improvement over no reasons given, but it still looks way too much like "let's stab people in this small group until something good happens" for comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#35)

    Thoughts on @4maskwolf vs. @Esooa are:

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#25)
    The fact you feel the need to walk back your vote with a poor justification later, saying it was a pressure vote when it clearly was not worded as such,
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#29)
    The amount that you’re freaking out under the slightest pressure is honestly watching more telling than my initial, and fully admittedly weak, case on you. For all that you accuse me of being defensive for clarifying my vote, your response to pressure was to launch into an immediate OMGUS and then double down on the defensiveness.
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#29)
    And take note of her tone: smug dismissiveness is a frequent tool of scum because it’s easy to fake, looks confident, and is hard to tear down.
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#30)
    again you never said anything about it being a weak case. You're walking back reasons because you know they're bad. You're trying to dismiss my case by acting as if I'm "freaking out" which is blatantly untrue and trying to say it's nothing but OMGUS.

    It’s a petty slapfight. That’s literally all it is.

    My townreads on both of you are getting stronger off of this, so hey, it wasn’t all wasted breath.
    I tried re-reading their interaction and think about if it felt real or not. Like, did it seem like one of them knew the alignment of the other? And I don't think so. It feels like both of them have actual arguments that they believe in and they both misremember and/or misinterpret each other. If both or one of them were a wolf, I'd expect them to read posts more carefully and write more clearly to not risk misunderstandings.

    So I think both are slightly towny for me at the moment.

    Regarding Wisdom, I don't know. I need more posts to read her.

    NotMafia needs to post actual contents and dare to read longer posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#21)
    I'M PROBABLY GOING TO STAND BY THIS READ UNTIL DAY 3 OR DAY 4, AND THEN REASSESS:
    Let's say if someone in your town list flipped red before that point; would you re-assess sooner then? It seems a bit extreme to keep the same reads for that length of time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#25)
    It's a joke based on how the previous game I played with him went. Maybe you know this and think it's a fake joke but yeah.
    I didn't think it was a joke, just a "hey, I'm glad I totally didn't rand scum am I rite?" sort of thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#27)
    Your OMGUS case is noted but it's honestly just bad, you're just lashing out at the person who sus'd you and grasping at straws to put together a "reasonable" case.
    I was going to say something similar myself until I saw that you already had.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#32)
    Esooa and DEAF’s interactions are either t/t (highly unlikely) or w/t, never w/w.
    How are they never w/w?

    Quote Originally Posted by ikka (#41)
    NotMafia needs to post actual contents and dare to read longer posts.
    I'm not holding my breath there.

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    Okay, I'm on for a bit, good morning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#6)
    i'm familiar with the following

    @DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    @Egix96
    @Esooa
    @ikka
    @silmarils
    @Wisdom
    That's really short, no? Isn't it a waste of a post?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#7)
    Alright intro time. I'm 4maskwolf, typically shortened to 4mask or mask, and I'm the only Bay12 player you're likely to see outside of championship games. I've either played with none of you before (except Phi, but he's on the sub list atm) or with DEAF as scum in Old Cats (I don't know whether DEAF is a cheeky Frog alt, I think so but I don't know for sure).

    This is definitely my type of game. Historically speaking I don't tend to post a lot in general, and 48/24 is a tad tight on time by Bay12 standards, so the low post cap isn't going to change a whole lot of how I play. Probably will make ISOing people tedious as I have to chop up their posts into little bits to talk about, but that's life for you. That's really it for meta, I haven't played a standard-style game in over a year and this is the first standard game in... probably five years that I've actually been motivated in, so my meta is probably going to be more YMMV than usual.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    Nicknames I've received have ranged from Chessboy to C3peo to Numbers Guy, but most people just say c4.
    I'm going to go with c4. Or Unpronounceable McSelfVoter, I haven't decided yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    I remember hk saying PFPs play a big part in post noticeability, and a small black zigzag might not cut it.
    An eye-catching avatar can definitely draw attention to a post, but I'm not sure that'll be as big of a deal this game. Low post cap and wallposts being encouraged makes it hard to just skim over someone's post and forget about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    My gameplan in short is to make bad reads until I can make good reads.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#6)
    i'm familiar with the following

    @DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    @Egix96
    @Esooa
    @ikka
    @silmarils
    @Wisdom
    Thaaaaaaaat's gotta be the laziest intro post I've ever seen (from anyone not named lol). You used one of your 20 posts on this?

    ##Vote Hydreigon25
    What's Bay12?

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#9)
    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)



    Excessive pre-written opening wall time.

    Hi, I'm c4e5g3d5, or c4e5g3d5 for short. Most people prefer nicknames, and as long as I can tell you're referring to me, it flies. Nicknames I've received have ranged from Chessboy to C3peo to Numbers Guy, but most people just say c4.

    I'm familiar with a handful of players here. I played with Esooa, ikka and Wisdom last November in what was easily one of the most fun games of Mafia I've ever played, in no small part thanks to them. I played with Egix briefly on MS in a game that I unfortunately flaked out of due to over-signing up, but that hopefully won't be a problem with a post cap this low. I've also played with Hydreigon once.

    In my most recent MU game, a big problem I ran into a lot was much of the content I posted going largely unnoticed. Might be a result of my play, or circumstantial things, or both. Expect me to abuse pings due to this fact, and tell me when I do so.

    Let the pings begin.
    @Esooa @ikka @Wisdom
    Having played with me in the game mentioned above, do you have advice for how I can address this problem? Should I keep the pings rolling? Should I write more dramatically, like I did BOD3 when everyone started sheeping me? Should I get a PFP with a face in it? No, seriously, should I get a PFP with a face in it? Does that actually make a difference? I remember hk saying PFPs play a big part in post noticeability, and a small black zigzag might not cut it. Combine that with the fact that you all have faces, and I'm feeling peer-pressured to have a face.

    I would like everyone to briefly describe their playstyle and gameplan, because metadiving is tedious.

    My gameplan in short is to make bad reads until I can make good reads. Given that I voted for the lower postcount without the character limit, I will wallpost as shamelessly as humanly possible, and I will also try to overexplain as much as I can; a long dialogue is near impossible with this cap, so I’ll need to nip any arguments I engage in in the bud. That last part will be a bit of a new experience for me, and might be something I should adopt in my normal play.

    YKM ##Vote c4e5g3d5
    Rook to c4e5g3d5,

    1. Introduction
    I'm Deaf. Please type loudly for me. I'm traveling in 12 hours for about 13 hours straight, and then in 36 hours I'll be traveling for another 8 hours or so. Looks like I'll make end of day today, but no promises. I'm available Central Time, only evenings for Day 1, and feel free to mention me endlessly.

    2. Player Associations
    I played with people here but I never remember names, games, nor aeroplanes so it means nothing to me. The only takeaway I can remember is I like Esooa, and I think Egix is a solid player.

    3. Obstacles and Solutions
    Yeah bro, if you want people to listen to you, formatting goes a long way, also mention specific people you want to listen to you. Probably my biggest issue is that I choose to post in weird fonts; I cannot change this.

    4. Reaching Out To Random People
    @NK15
    Hi, do you like memes? We should be meme friends. Also, let's invent a secret language to confuse everyone in the game.

    Z0rg sp4tul4 NK15 f1$h DEAF.

    @LiLi041

    Your name is alliterative
    I think that makes you a poet
    will our relationship be cooperative?
    No, because you're a wolf and I know it

    ##Vote LiLi041

    5. Game Plan
    Yeah that's a good enough game plan. If you're wolf I think I can get you so I'm not too worried, but you seem alright so far dude.

    M'kay... Don't know what you mean here, I'm not a poet, hopefully we can cooperate, I'm not a wolf.

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#10)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#6)
    i'm familiar with the following

    @DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    @Egix96
    @Esooa
    @ikka
    @silmarils
    @Wisdom
    Too Short Didn't Read

    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#7)
    Alright intro time. I'm 4maskwolf, typically shortened to 4mask or mask, and I'm the only Bay12 player you're likely to see outside of championship games. I've either played with none of you before (except Phi, but he's on the sub list atm) or with DEAF as scum in Old Cats (I don't know whether DEAF is a cheeky Frog alt, I think so but I don't know for sure).

    This is definitely my type of game. Historically speaking I don't tend to post a lot in general, and 48/24 is a tad tight on time by Bay12 standards, so the low post cap isn't going to change a whole lot of how I play. Probably will make ISOing people tedious as I have to chop up their posts into little bits to talk about, but that's life for you. That's really it for meta, I haven't played a standard-style game in over a year and this is the first standard game in... probably five years that I've actually been motivated in, so my meta is probably going to be more YMMV than usual.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    Nicknames I've received have ranged from Chessboy to C3peo to Numbers Guy, but most people just say c4.
    I'm going to go with c4. Or Unpronounceable McSelfVoter, I haven't decided yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    I remember hk saying PFPs play a big part in post noticeability, and a small black zigzag might not cut it.
    An eye-catching avatar can definitely draw attention to a post, but I'm not sure that'll be as big of a deal this game. Low post cap and wallposts being encouraged makes it hard to just skim over someone's post and forget about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#5)
    My gameplan in short is to make bad reads until I can make good reads.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#6)
    i'm familiar with the following

    @DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    @Egix96
    @Esooa
    @ikka
    @silmarils
    @Wisdom
    Thaaaaaaaat's gotta be the laziest intro post I've ever seen (from anyone not named lol). You used one of your 20 posts on this?

    ##Vote Hydreigon25

    Too Long Didn't Read

    100% a wolf, with a mask, and the number 4.

    ##Vote 4maskwolf
    ...That's a fast vote change. >.>

    I was going to OMGUS you but now I won't, I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#11)
    Hi

    I've been thread sitting since the game started and I wanna just post a bunch but I'm gonna have to try really hard to limit myself considering the amount of things I usually like talking about and the scarcity of posts here. I'd say I'm confirmed town for not giving into my desire to post "first" when I was certainly able to get it but I doubt I'd want to play by limiting my post count (thus content) like that as wolf anyway.

    C4's post is whatever. It was pre-written so entirely NAI. I'm not entirely sure how to get more attention to your posts. Normally I'm really loud and aggressive but it's not an option to post 60 times in 60 minutes here so I'll have to see how to adapt myself.

    I'm unsure as to how to describe my playstyle. I just do what ever I feel like really. Which usually involves tunneling someone because they made a read I think is bad. But again, I'm not going to be able to question people or post as much as I normally do here so I'm probably going to try not to do that. In fact in the first low post count I played with @DEAFinitelyNotFrog I tunneled Enkidu for a bad post and used up basically my entire post count over a single night. It was fun regardless though and I don't regret it, but that was a 9er with 30 posts so yeah.

    My gameplan is to lynch scum

    I've played with c4 once, as was mentioned. I don't really recall much from them because I was more focused on how the $%#! do I not get lynched seeing as it was my first wolf game. Ikka falls into the same category

    I've played twice with DEAF. He's very fun to play with but also an intimidating player. Because of that I'll probably never be able to solidly town read him this game, lol

    I've played Hydregon a few times. Unfortunately, Mask, the post Hydregon made is about as expected from him he doesn't even hit 20 posts per day in non-light games, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

    I've played with NotMafia once. He was mafia and I was town. Not much to say here. He $%#!posted all game pretty much. I'd probably suggesting policy lynching him if he doesn't give actual content but that's just me

    I've played with Silmarils twice. Not much meta on it because both experiences were short lived, but I can say I'm excited to play with it again cause it's cool

    I've played with Wisdom a few times. I think I should be able to read them decently well considering my experience with them and admittedly bloated ego but we'll see.

    Not much to say on Mask's post. I'd say voting Hydregon is >rand scum because Hydregon is exactly rand!town and scum usually see him as an easy mislynch which is true, but yeah it's not that big of a read. Funny I say it though cause I had an idea earlier which involves

    ##Vote Hydreigon25

    but yeah.

    Lili's post feels awkward to me tbh. I simply do not like it. I'd leave it at that but I want to get EVERYTHING I CAN out of this post so let me try to explain

    honestly I think it has to do with the sentence structure. I don't like how everything said involves about a singular sentence and doesn't go into more detail. It could obviously be town and more likely is than not, but I get the vibe that her explanation was sort of quickly running through ideas until the post is large enough to feel good. Anyways, I think I put in about everything I need to so send post
    Wasn't your gameplan just to openwolf the whole time last game though?

    Also, I'm not sure how to respond to this line about my sentence structure so I'm going to ignore it >.>

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#12)
    HEYO!

    When I was getting ready to open my alignment, I was getting nervous because I was dreading rolling town, getting protected from jailkeep, and then getting chopped as the presumed mafia who got blocked. THE FLASHBACKS!!!! (This is why I don't remember games)

    But I remembered there's no jailkeeper here, so happy to roll Town! You excited for the 3-Peat Essoa?

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#11)
    Hi

    I've been thread sitting since the game started and I wanna just post a bunch but I'm gonna have to try really hard to limit myself considering the amount of things I usually like talking about and the scarcity of posts here. I'd say I'm confirmed town for not giving into my desire to post "first" when I was certainly able to get it but I doubt I'd want to play by limiting my post count (thus content) like that as wolf anyway.

    C4's post is whatever. It was pre-written so entirely NAI. I'm not entirely sure how to get more attention to your posts. Normally I'm really loud and aggressive but it's not an option to post 60 times in 60 minutes here so I'll have to see how to adapt myself.

    I'm unsure as to how to describe my playstyle. I just do what ever I feel like really. Which usually involves tunneling someone because they made a read I think is bad. But again, I'm not going to be able to question people or post as much as I normally do here so I'm probably going to try not to do that. In fact in the first low post count I played with @DEAFinitelyNotFrog I tunneled Enkidu for a bad post and used up basically my entire post count over a single night. It was fun regardless though and I don't regret it, but that was a 9er with 30 posts so yeah.

    My gameplan is to lynch scum

    I've played with c4 once, as was mentioned. I don't really recall much from them because I was more focused on how the $%#! do I not get lynched seeing as it was my first wolf game. Ikka falls into the same category

    I've played twice with DEAF. He's very fun to play with but also an intimidating player. Because of that I'll probably never be able to solidly town read him this game, lol

    I've played Hydregon a few times. Unfortunately, Mask, the post Hydregon made is about as expected from him he doesn't even hit 20 posts per day in non-light games, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

    I've played with NotMafia once. He was mafia and I was town. Not much to say here. He $%#!posted all game pretty much. I'd probably suggesting policy lynching him if he doesn't give actual content but that's just me

    I've played with Silmarils twice. Not much meta on it because both experiences were short lived, but I can say I'm excited to play with it again cause it's cool

    I've played with Wisdom a few times. I think I should be able to read them decently well considering my experience with them and admittedly bloated ego but we'll see.

    Not much to say on Mask's post. I'd say voting Hydregon is >rand scum because Hydregon is exactly rand!town and scum usually see him as an easy mislynch which is true, but yeah it's not that big of a read. Funny I say it though cause I had an idea earlier which involves

    ##Vote Hydreigon25

    but yeah.


    Lili's post feels awkward to me tbh.
    I simply do not like it. I'd leave it at that but I want to get EVERYTHING I CAN out of this post so let me try to explain

    honestly I think it has to do with the sentence structure. I don't like how everything said involves about a singular sentence and doesn't go into more detail. It could obviously be town and more likely is than not, but I get the vibe that her explanation was sort of quickly running through ideas until the post is large enough to feel good. Anyways, I think I put in about everything I need to so send post
    Same tbh, and I think it's because of the truncated way she forms her sentences; It makes them seem abrupt and awkward.

    4mask's post just felt like a big nothing burger. I can't tell if the vote thingy he did was alignment indicative or not. I have a theory there but I'll withhold it for later on in the day after everyone has at least checked in.

    If there's a wolf in people who posted so far... actually I don't really think a wolf has posted so far.

    ##Unvote

    Ugh, why so many things on my sentence structure??? Hmph, I still think my sentences are great~

    And I disagree, I feel like it's likely that at least one wolf would have posted early... I mean, it shows that they are an active participant (?) and that gives them some towncred at least? Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ikka (#33)
    Yay, I just started of with getting my first post deleted due to getting logged out while writing it... Being super tired from work, I can't guarantee that I remember everything that I wanted to write, but some of the things I wanted to say were:

    I think it's interesting that most players seem to think LiLi's opening was awkward but nai. I got the feeling that LiLi tries hard to appear towny and that she could in fact be a wolf. Idk how to explain it well, but it's something with her being very "agreeable", when she said that she's aggressive and might tunnel scum but also wants to be told to stop and she doesn't know if she'll have time to be very aggressive in this game or not. It's not very strong, but I got a bad vibe.

    C4's opening seemed good enough for me. Sure, he talked a lot about previous games and his profile pic (I think that pic is fine - it's not a very spice pic but it stands out enough and I've gotten used to it), but nothing really pinged me about it and I think his approach to the game seems towny enough if he follows up on it.

    Hydre's post is NAI, but I can see how someone who doesn't know him (4maks) would vote him for it. I think it's a bit opportunistic for Esooa to vote him when she, imo, had more negative things to say about LiLi.

    NK15 found a detail that he thought was wolfy and pointed it out. I'm gonna have to re-read that to see if I fully get what he said. I've only played with him once before and he was misyeeted D1, but from what I can remember, his approach here seems similar.
    I think it's interesting people think my opening was awkward too.

    I'd disagree on the 'I'm trying hard to appear towny' part though, since I wholeheartedly believe I just exude 'towniness' naturally

    Also, it's not being agreeable. It's a precaution based on my experience in past games, where I chase after the wrong person for a large portion of the game for reasons that don't seem completely reasonable in hindsight, and they turn out to be town.

    If it turns out there's a huge flaw in my arguments that I didn't notice, and it turns out that I've just been wasting my time going after someone for something strange, I'd appreciate if you guys would point it out. My statement was just an FYI to that effect.

    I also didn't say tunnel scum. I said tunneling scummy players. People who purposely act scummy, don't contribute and lurk, people who refuse to answer questions, etc. In that situation, they may not necessarily be scum, so that's why I asked for second opinions if and when that situation comes in the future.

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    it might be too early for a read-list, however i will try to answer any questions you have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egix96 (#42)
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#32)
    Esooa and DEAF’s interactions are either t/t (highly unlikely) or w/t, never w/w.
    How are they never w/w?
    Gut read, mostly. They felt very buddy-buddy in a way that most wolf teams are nervous to do this early in the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiLi041 (#43)
    What's Bay12?
    The Dwarf Fortress forums.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#45)
    it might be too early for a read-list, however i will try to answer any questions you have
    ...
    Okay, I have a question: why don't we just PL both you and NotMafia so we don't have to put up with this non-playing in LYLO?

    Side note on something I missed this morning:
    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#21)
    I'M FEELING CONFIDENT THAT MAFIA WASNT IN THE FIRST 6 POSTERS AT ALL, AND PRETTY CONFIDENT BOTH MAFIA ARE IN THE FINAL 7 POSTERS. THERE'S ALSO A PRETTY SUS MATHEMATICAL EXPLANATION FOR THIS, BUT THE BACKGROUND THEIRY IS JUST THAT WOLVES ARE AFRAID TO POST EARLY IN THIS TYPE OF SETUP BECAUSE ITS AWKWARD AND MORE EXPOSING THAN NORMAL.
    I can't tell whether this is a town derp, a veteran trying to pretend to do a town derp, or the dumbest TMI of all time.

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    Policy lynch doesn't seem town-like

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#47)
    Policy lynch doesn't seem town-like
    Neither does spending D1 on one line posts, useless pings, and making zero cases.

    Put like that, it doesn't seem like much of a policy lynch, does it?

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    Okay nevermind that's consistent with LiLi's self-described playstyle so back to ##Vote Wisdom

    @4maskwolf

    What you're describing is a literal PL.

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