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    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#233)
    Hot take: The recent posts by Honey and Gira were both extremely bad
    only my recent posts? i've been slacking

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    Esooa - #25 is probably just a joke and there's a decent chance it was created pre-rand so NAI. Overall seems like a pretty normal start for her, haven't seen enough of her to get a read on yet personally. Anger at neopest feels genuine, leaning away from w/w for the two. Overall null.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#241)
    Also Gira’s assessment of Esooa’s post about Transcend is like the direct opposite of mine and he also talks about it without ever referencing BlueKang (who did the same thing and was arguably more scummy about it)
    if you mean the reaction to the claim, bluekang felt reactive rather than demonstrative, i'd say. the reaction of taking a stand to look "protown" can be a scum thing. not guaranteed, but enough for early game. bluekang's posts since then are meh, not great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#245)
    ##Unvote Wiml I don't remember why I voted him to begin with, seems obviously town right now anyway
    does he?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#247)
    Gira - #48 feels like it comes from a wolf trying to overcompensate by attempting to look solvy. What townsperson cares about being productive on D1? #190 I am having very mixed opinions on and I might look back at later. Overall, weak scum lean.
    i can tell you for a fact i would say exactly nothing about the claim as scum

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#247)
    Gira - #48 feels like it comes from a wolf trying to overcompensate by attempting to look solvy. What townsperson cares about being productive on D1? #190 I am having very mixed opinions on and I might look back at later. Overall, weak scum lean.
    you are very obviously trying to act productive, though? don't get this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gira (#253)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#247)
    Gira - #48 feels like it comes from a wolf trying to overcompensate by attempting to look solvy. What townsperson cares about being productive on D1? #190 I am having very mixed opinions on and I might look back at later. Overall, weak scum lean.
    you are very obviously trying to act productive, though? don't get this
    I think we both know that's not what I meant. Trying to do things that end up genuinely being productive is fine and that's how I prefer to play ly D1s honestly (or at least get my reads sorted out in my head or else I feel lost).
    Saying not to talk about a certain topic on the first page of a thread on D1 looks more like something scum does to appear to be productive for the fake of looking productive to others without actually contributing anything. Like, fair enough if you had a better topic of discussion to move onto... but you absolutely didn't. That's why I think you did it more to look good than any genuine reason.

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    fwogcarf - #42 is a ??? reaction and I don't understand why a townsperson would have no concern / input here. Probably not w/w with grimdog, I don't actually disagree with their logic here. Disagree with #100. I don't think #124 is alignment indicative. Overall, scummy side of null.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#191)
    Hmm yes, very good points you're all making.
    ##Vote Master Radishes

    lmao

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    nah it's because i didn't want the discussion to be about his claim because i felt that was a bad approach, and the game moved away from that and things have been fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#228)
    Initial impressions on <=10 posters (as most haven't been talked about yet it's not that I'm lazy or anything)

    Radish - Agree with Wisdom that this is what I would expect from Radish as town at this stage but nothing hugely alignment indicative as of yet. Town lean.

    Eliphas - I like both of their posts (#150 and #155 so far. Contributing early. A slight town lean.

    EllieD - Posts reads that are very much consensus and refuses to explain, makes me believe that she's just sheeping things already said in thread. Don't like it so far. Scum lean.

    Honey - Spewed town by #161? Otherwise, still probably town based on how she is approaching the game so far.

    Wisdom - I agree with their read on Radish but I don't buy how strong their read on him is. Dislike the read on Transcend, feels a bit too flip-floppy (possibly not w/w with Transcend from this?). Not sure how I feel about their early claiming posts. Null.
    That is most definitely not a spewed town situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#234)
    But like Gira’s posts were by far worse
    Why

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#255)
    fwogcarf - #42 is a ??? reaction and I don't understand why a townsperson would have no concern / input here. Probably not w/w with grimdog, I don't actually disagree with their logic here. Disagree with #100. I don't think #124 is alignment indicative. Overall, scummy side of null.
    Um

    Because I don't think it's that important? I know it's a claim and all but I'd rather focus on other things.

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    1 EllieD Wiml (17)
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    6 Not voting Honey (8), EllieD (3), BlueKang (15), Master Radishes (7), Eliphas (2), Wisdom (13)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#228)
    Eliphas - I like both of their posts (#150 and #155 so far. Contributing early. A slight town lean.

    EllieD - Posts reads that are very much consensus and refuses to explain, makes me believe that she's just sheeping things already said in thread. Don't like it so far. Scum lean.
    so here's a Q: why is ellie suspect for being consensus-y when eliphas's opinions were similarly repeating things other people had said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transcend (#130)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#129)
    Quote Originally Posted by fwogcarf (#126)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#125)
    what's the point of this question?
    to get thoughts out of him
    okay. I don't really like how it's worded to sort of implicitly feed a conflict between neo/myself btw yeh
    Echo. Feels like subtle setting up not just towards you guys but other players on the board.
    idk if I've ever legitimately melded with Transcend and this was as close to how much I ever have so probably >>>>rand town imo

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    rn I'm thinking neopest is maybee town. Probably gonna be wary of them though all game

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwogcarf (#170)
    early readlists

    i'm my top scumread

    not joking
    not just this post specifically but I like fwog's tone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transcend (#182)
    naw honey wolf i mason'd w her recently this ain't it

    ##Vote Honey
    I think she's reasonably towny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gira (#262)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#228)
    Eliphas - I like both of their posts (#150 and #155 so far. Contributing early. A slight town lean.

    EllieD - Posts reads that are very much consensus and refuses to explain, makes me believe that she's just sheeping things already said in thread. Don't like it so far. Scum lean.
    so here's a Q: why is ellie suspect for being consensus-y when eliphas's opinions were similarly repeating things other people had said?
    If those reads were consensus-y before Eliphas made them then that was a mistake on my part and I would agree that they look worse for it. For Ellie, I was comparing her reads directly to Eliphas' and I remembered the Transcend read from memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#206)
    Also MR seems to be in his trolling meta and so far I've only seen that when he plays as town.

    Actually might be my strongest town read lol.
    have you seen him wolf? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#217)
    Quote Originally Posted by Transcend (#213)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#206)
    Also MR seems to be in his trolling meta and so far I've only seen that when he plays as town.

    Actually might be my strongest town read lol.
    wot

    that's tough to believe given that his posts all feel nai to me

    but uh idk if you'd blatantly tmi like this
    The one time I saw him wolf he was this silk smooth people pleasing solving little sneak. I then saw him town and he was hurrdurring like this quite a lot.

    It's not a locked read but for what it is I believe it's quite towny.
    meh I disagree with this meta assessment but it's not a big deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#233)
    Hot take: The recent posts by Honey and Gira were both extremely bad
    why doe

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    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#239)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#237)
    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#233)
    Hot take: The recent posts by Honey and Gira were both extremely bad
    What do you find of Honey's post to be bad?
    I was kind of put off by their immediate attempt at derp clearing and it seemed like they tried to avoid reading a lot of the more controversial slots, but I do think some of their reads just come from rand > town so it’s actually not as bad as I stated at first
    neopest is jus here to beat up all derp clearers/lamist town (joke)

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    ##Vote BlueKang

    vote was stale, like this better right now, play seems "safe" overall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#247)
    Gira - #48 feels like it comes from a wolf trying to overcompensate by attempting to look solvy. What townsperson cares about being productive on D1? #190 I am having very mixed opinions on and I might look back at later. Overall, weak scum lean.
    don't agree with your read on p#48 mostly for meta reasons. Gira is an EM player and that site is a slog of meta reads lmaoo which is what he was talking about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#273)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#247)
    Gira - #48 feels like it comes from a wolf trying to overcompensate by attempting to look solvy. What townsperson cares about being productive on D1? #190 I am having very mixed opinions on and I might look back at later. Overall, weak scum lean.
    don't agree with your read on p#48 mostly for meta reasons. Gira is an EM player and that site is a slog of meta reads lmaoo which is what he was talking about
    That's fair. From this and Gira's response to it, I probably won't factor it into my reads any more. It was mostly just a play I knew I would make as scum.

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    Doing my ISO of Transcend, I wonder if he would be a good cop target? While he is generally town read, clearing him would cause scum to have to kill a weaker role and give the stronger roles an extra night. Not sure if this is worth the opportunity cost of somebody harder to clear in general which is why I brought it up.

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    don't direct cop targets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gira (#276)
    don't direct cop targets
    I'm not telling people to check him, I'm genuinely asking if that is the right sort of philosophy for a cop check.

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    philosophy for a cop check is check someone in your nullreads

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    the thing is even openly suggesting him as a potential investigation makes him a worse investigation b/c then if he's town mafia have good reason to shoot him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gira (#278)
    philosophy for a cop check is check someone in your nullreads
    Thanks.

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    Transcend - Agree that the early claim is pretty towny. Don't have anything in particular here that stands out to me but I think their overall tone and thought process seems towny to me and I mindmeld with a lot of it. Dog friend is a town lean for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#245)
    ##Unvote Wiml I don't remember why I voted him to begin with, seems obviously town right now anyway
    I think the bolded comes from town tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#178)
    Quote Originally Posted by Gira (#168)
    Quote Originally Posted by Honey (#162)
    why do you sr esooa for this? i believe she's right that it's not optimal to just hand this information over to the mafia
    nothing to do with being "right" and everything to do with it being a generic sort of statement that can be made to appear town

    don't really scumread her other posts, though, but do not have a better place for my vote at this moment in time
    I don't expect people to know how to handle pr's to I told them

    how u handle them is not by claiming start of game
    If this is a serious opinion I'd like to discuss this post game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gira (#253)
    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#241)
    Also Gira’s assessment of Esooa’s post about Transcend is like the direct opposite of mine and he also talks about it without ever referencing BlueKang (who did the same thing and was arguably more scummy about it)
    if you mean the reaction to the claim, bluekang felt reactive rather than demonstrative, i'd say. the reaction of taking a stand to look "protown" can be a scum thing. not guaranteed, but enough for early game. bluekang's posts since then are meh, not great.
    I felt that Esooa had a tangible reason for why she thought it was unnecessary and she went as far as to explain it so that others wouldn’t keep outing themselves.

    Whereas BlueKang kind of just piled on with it and said it just to say it. I’ll also say that for a reactive post, it didn’t ping me as having any real emotion behind it. I think that’s NAI, but it also certainly doesn’t sound like BlueKang truly cared that he claimed or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#269)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#217)
    Quote Originally Posted by Transcend (#213)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#206)
    Also MR seems to be in his trolling meta and so far I've only seen that when he plays as town.

    Actually might be my strongest town read lol.
    wot

    that's tough to believe given that his posts all feel nai to me

    but uh idk if you'd blatantly tmi like this
    The one time I saw him wolf he was this silk smooth people pleasing solving little sneak. I then saw him town and he was hurrdurring like this quite a lot.

    It's not a locked read but for what it is I believe it's quite towny.
    meh I disagree with this meta assessment but it's not a big deal
    I mean it's based on two or three ordinary games and Champs so it's not waterproof, but I'd still say it's good enough to base a read him on?

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    Do you guys want my opinion on Radishes' meta..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#264)
    rn I'm thinking neopest is maybee town. Probably gonna be wary of them though all game
    I think I finally found something to read Esooa based on.

    I don't think she'd push Neopest and be all in his face, only to end up with a town read on him, as wolf. I expect wolf!Esooa to push that into a wolf read.

    Also Esooa/Neopest never w/w but meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#287)
    Do you guys want my opinion on Radishes' meta..?
    yes, at least 2000 words please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#289)
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#287)
    Do you guys want my opinion on Radishes' meta..?
    yes, at least 2000 words please
    Oh.

    Uh.

    Never mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#290)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#289)
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#287)
    Do you guys want my opinion on Radishes' meta..?
    yes, at least 2000 words please
    Oh.

    Uh.

    Never mind.
    lockwolf

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    No but actually I do love talking about myself so I could. But I'm in my phone rn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#285)
    Quote Originally Posted by Gira (#253)
    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#241)
    Also Gira’s assessment of Esooa’s post about Transcend is like the direct opposite of mine and he also talks about it without ever referencing BlueKang (who did the same thing and was arguably more scummy about it)
    if you mean the reaction to the claim, bluekang felt reactive rather than demonstrative, i'd say. the reaction of taking a stand to look "protown" can be a scum thing. not guaranteed, but enough for early game. bluekang's posts since then are meh, not great.
    I felt that Esooa had a tangible reason for why she thought it was unnecessary and she went as far as to explain it so that others wouldn’t keep outing themselves.

    Whereas BlueKang kind of just piled on with it and said it just to say it. I’ll also say that for a reactive post, it didn’t ping me as having any real emotion behind it. I think that’s NAI, but it also certainly doesn’t sound like BlueKang truly cared that he claimed or not.
    the thing is someone can have tangible reasons that are mechanically sound and still be scum but this is too far into the theoretical realm, i don't fos esooa anymore

    second point is ~fair enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#292)
    No but actually I do love talking about myself so I could. But I'm in my phone rn.
    I exclusively use mobile for mafia.

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    I don't have a read on this person, off with his head!

    ##Vote Eliphas

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#207)
    Quote Originally Posted by Transcend (#197)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#194)
    Gira's observation of Transcend feels very towny as well, probably the strongest I can feel so far this game.
    I also thought the same, but what do you think about my alignment? This statement kinda bugs me because it's possible you're saying this to encourage him to keep thinking this way (which would be wrong).
    I'm currently null on you. Like I can tell your pushes aren't TOO serious and I understand why you're doing it to certain people like Honey upon her entrance into the game to try to get some sort of friction or to wake someone up and not be just a bulletin board of reads.

    I get the point Gira's making where you've gone for almost everyone that's been in the early going of the game. Could be a maf move to see which town chain breaks first.

    Again, null read, I'm giving time for my reads to fully form.

    the meta i have on transcend is the last game i was pr with him he found someone completely ingenuine early, pushed on them w complete confidence and then pulled everyone else on board he was way more focused than he's shown this game to me and he's not being up front about his motivations for playing this way. he tries to frame everyone's actions and thoughts as w malicious intent (see above) except for ellie?? which i found really strange too

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    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#233)
    Hot take: The recent posts by Honey and Gira were both extremely bad
    when i hadnt even started posting yet o__o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transcend (#216)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#215)
    Quote Originally Posted by Transcend (#212)
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    Anyway, I think Transcend is town. His claiming opening could have been planned since before the rand but I believe he's been paying attention. It doesn't really allign with my town meta on him though, but I have found him as town before and I think this is it again.

    Neo and Honey both seem towny as well.
    yooo it's been a minute. What would you expect from a town game vs. a scum game of mine? I'm curious given that this isn't my main mafia site.
    Hi! o/

    I don't remember seeing you wolf outside mashes, but I expect you to be more sneaky that blatantly claim to end rvs. Iirc you did something similar in the game where I tunneled you real bad but you flipped v.
    ah valid. yeah i like to get the game started quickly, but i wouldn't say this is an alignment tell for me (:

    what is an alignment tell for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey (#298)
    Quote Originally Posted by neopest (#233)
    Hot take: The recent posts by Honey and Gira were both extremely bad
    when i hadnt even started posting yet o__o
    uh... what??? you posted a ton while i was sleeping...???

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