idk how to vote but yeah TOWN READ THAT CAPe
idk how to vote but yeah TOWN READ THAT CAPe
hey making sure, we can talk about champs games that have ended right
Going to go to sleep soon so just making a summary of what my instincts are before bed.
I had a second where I thought maybe there can be a difference in alignment between RC and hockey, maybe if hockey is townie RC's town equity drops and if he is scummy RC's town equity rises. Was just a gut feeling not much reasoning behind it. Just a little thought.
I'm just going to drop Cow into scummy because he made a few posts implying he was kind of here to look at things for a bit but never really said anything substantial.
Gonna drop Koba into scummy for basically no reason. Just not gotten a town vibe from them yet.
I also realize I'm not actually voting Dino but RVS is dumb anyway so I'll just hold the vote for now.
Part of me wanted to TR pretender for telling someone on page 1 last time hockey omgus'd them d1 hockey was scum. I'll just put them up there for now. Who cares.
I'm probably town reading at least one mafia right now.
Cyclone plays super confident as a mafia so will leave him as null for a while probably. I liked his enthusiasm though, just TRing Cyclone gets you burned.
I don't have a good way to read Nate really so leaving him Null.
I'm convinced bruhmoments is just my personal hypeman because ever since my first game with this man he has raised my ego to the moon
Last thought before sleep: my initial Dino sus feels really weak and I get the feeling I was wrong about it.
ew that sodns stupid can i please delete that
Scotland is someone that you can mostly toneread because a lot of their posts are filler that are still involved within the game but don't hold any actual reads they have, its just responses. It's a weird playstyle but it's something that they change up as mafia imo, they sound incredibly forced but as town they don't seem to care how it sounds and roll with whatever their mind is thinking.
So yeah, at the moment I'm marking Scotland town off of meta and tone.
I have seen Scotland play scum.
I have seen Scotland play town.
At the moment, they are a townlean for me.
I explained that through meta and tone, which are relatively weak reasons for other players to be read, are stronger reasons for Scotland because of the way they play and how its somewhat random at times.
At the moment, I like their tone. I believe I can identify their meta and its only page 3 so it only gets more obvious from here.
Might I ask what team you're a fan of, then, since you seem spirited on the issue?
including both of your alignments..........
i'm not going to include myself in there since it should be easy enough to sheep cyclone on this but after making several wallposts about the european country and consuming their content i've not felt the Same Vibe quite yet
(By developed, I mean like that he's spoken enough for you to make a read on him this game)
Likely d1 votes are people that just based off this playerlist and the way everyone has played in the past have the highest chance of dying regardless of role/behavior:
Scotland, Pretender, Thought, Grandpa.
Statistics say one of these is likely mafia, and if there isn't, I just removed 4 easy MLs and can now fight against scum that much better.
If 1+ is mafia, then bingo.
I know Scotland is good with getting townreads based on tone.
I just don't know if I have seen anything that I would consider really towny from him yet like I did with the game where they were town.
Seems like a lot of aggression/joking around so far but I think the alignment will become obvious as the game goes on.
The game is going to end up centering around these people d1, especially in a vote pool.
When the time comes around, I need to have good enough reads on these people to where I can either push the wagon along and support it or fight it.
If I scumread said person than I can roll with the wagon but I like to take out potential deepwolves ASAP rather than people who get heavy attention.
If I townread them than I can defend and pivot and probably get some massive interaction bonus from the whole thing.
This is concerning for 2 reasons:
1. You have prevented yourself, or at least mitigated the purity of, later reading Scotland based on that meta. Now, since you have put out very clearly what your meta expectations are for Scotland, he is able to simply read your posts and attempt to adhere to your beliefs as to his meta. If you're a blue sorting Scotland, this is an important info advantage to maintain, so why throw it out there in detail so easily?
2. Stating this meta read so early is more subject to building cred (scum) than sorting players. If Scotland falls into one of your previously stated categories (particularly the town category), you can later point to his consistency with your meta read of him in order to build others' confidence in you if your read is at least mostly accurate (Town Scotland has no motive to evade your meta read of him, so if it is at least mostly accurate, you can point to any consistencies to build cred. No meta read has to 100% fit the bill to be credited for relative accuracy.)
which may or may not be a good thing
GtH, scot is town
i see stuff like
the game can center around voting whoever we want
I disagree that I can take back my meta read on Scotland and flip it. Tone reads are incredibly subjective and I believe that they are not good cases to be making to OTHERS for why someone is aligned the way they are, but it is rather a personal thought/belief.
I also disagree that Scotland can just.... change. You cannot stop yourself from sounding forced if you are indeed forced. If Scotland is sounding towny d1 off of tone I will not vote them or want them to be voted, because that is a bad d1 vote IMO. It could easily be a vote later on when more alignments/partnerships have been revealed but I disagree.
Your second point is actually quite good. I will give you props for this, and its a valid point. I could certainly do that as mafia. That is a fair concern and I cannot fault you for that because it is indeed logically sound.
However Nate, what you just did by scumreading me in a post about Scotland, you not only disassociated yourself from Scotland, with this case you cannot actually mark them scum. Which sort of ties into my read being correct, which is a weird roundabout.
Scotland and I are unlikely to be paired based off of this interaction, considering that the main credit from it would be for later pocketing usage or convincing others that my read is good and so I can lead main votes.
You are almost never paired with Scotland for calling this out and creating an ordeal about it.
In this world, Scotland is very unlikely to be paired with me and never paired with yourself.
You now read Scotland town based off of a post on why Scotland should not already be townread.
Welcome to mafia.
Nate's post was interesting. I liked it, quite a bit actually. He plays a very articulate game and I don't want to fall into the trap of townreading him for that because he does it as both alignments, but the second point I was a fan of. It's definitely something to keep an eye on, but the good news is that we already have early interactions that will definitely come into play later.
Not sure what the reference is wrt Auryxx, but similarly not sure that it becomes more AI if it was.
I am going to sleep since I work at 6am in the morning tomorrow
Initial reads list:
six ponmegranate seeds
six pom seeds (bruhmoments I am guessing) - come on, they put out 4 posts where 3 of them were readslists that changed slightly every post, lock town. Easiest game of mafia I have ever played.
MeteorNate - P#72 P#88 P#121. All 3 of these look pretty towny to me. I know Nate is a decent player so I have an eye out, seems maybe a little loosey goosey but he seems fairly towny this game right now.
xrCyclone - P#115 P#90. These posts look like town are saying them. Also tonally Cyclone seems to be town.
Dino - Sits in an odd place for me. Aggressive and I guess doesn't seem to have an agenda. There will probably be one thing or another that I will see that will easily lean me further one way or the other for them.
DkKoba - Don't have too much to say here right now.
Grandpa - Dunno. P#15 seems a little bit like a posture that could be LAMIST.
The_Pretender - Spends a lot of time figuring out how to vote. on P#40 "HUH I WONDER WHAT GPA IS DOING???" Is kinda a strange thing to say.
Radiant Cowbells - P#42 I disagree with the hockeyfan post assessment. Obviously cannot read them off of 2 posts so they are here.
cows - Had some filler posts during the beginning, which obviously is not exactly AI I know that. P#108 is a tad bit pinging me because it just feels like it is being defensive over not really anything.
Sidenote: These were just quick thoughts, if you see drastic changes from this list, expect that to happen, I literally only made this list because I am hopping off bye.
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Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase) 3 DkKoba Grandpa (13), The_Pretender (8), xrCyclone (16) 2 hockeyfan DkKoba (5), RadiantCowbells (3) 1 T3RMINATOR MeteorNate (19) 1 Grandpa cowsloveSushirolls (8) 1 MeteorNate hockeyfan (17) 1 Cape90 dino (17) 4 Not voting Thought (0), T3RMINATOR (0), six pomegranate seeds (4), Cape90 (15)
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I might have said something about AtE in that last game idk. Bah I need to sleep I am going to be the grouch in the morning.
also when did hockey say something about me have a good scum game?
in the scum PT?
Either way I don't believe in fearreads, so none of that really means anything to me.
I actually agree with your conclusion/thought similarly that if you flipped red, Scotland is more likely to be town. There's a particularly wild world where you're both scum, but it's more likely to create awkward situations such as Scotland being forced to avoid following your stated meta read on them to avoid being pinned based on it. (Since you could then be compelled to vote on Scotland, and others who are town may be similarly influenced, but all without as much cred to your name for it as a natural push would receive.)
The amusing, albeit confusing, alternative world is that, if you are blue, Scotland returns to null for me. (Though, in that world, you have your faith in Scotland, whatever level that may be, in which I, in turn, should have faith.)
It's weird how a post about why Scotland shouldn't be townread had the effect it did.
Ultimately, I trust my tonereads. They have served me well in the past especially on early d1 reads.
It's how I get a lot of my mafia.gg reads, which doesn't really carry over here, but at the same time I can't really see Scotland sitting there going "how do i make this sound more genuine" behind their keyboard. Just doesn't seem realistic.
I've also read a Scotland mafia game. Couple different tendencies IMO. It's an early baseline read but I think that I can cross one potential pairing off the list.
Might have some quiet mafia this game. I like a lot of the posts put out there so far.
GtH reads are almost all town except for RC and at that point just $%#!ing shoot me because I can't put him on either side
#143 as to why I think Scotland leans blue to varying degrees either way from it.)
what's GtH mean? am the big dumb
gun to head
personally i have 3 people i'm strongly interested in voting so i can't grok someone saying they think everyone's towny