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    [Suggestion/Bug Report] Non-permanent Treestumps

    suggestion kinda self explanatory, i think having treestumps be able to only last a certain amount of phases or be more conditional would be healthier for the role as permanent stump is kinda suboptimal for any lengthier setup

    as treestump currently works, it looks like the only way to do this is to mute them whenever you want the stump to run out/not talk

    marking the player dead in modbot doesn't prevent a previously stumped from posting (this is the bug report part)

    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...=1#post5259398 this was posted while joy_nerd was both muted and marked dead

    marking them as dead and muting them also doesn't prevent them from editing posts either but i think that's a test forum problem

    in the above link, the post above the linked one was edited multiple times while muted/dead

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    christ I posted that less than a minute after the thread got made

    i have to go

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    we can just pretend i linked this to you as we've conversed at long lengths about this exact issue

    they'll never know

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    i cant tell if this is a legitimate question as to what i want from the suggestion or a "how could you do this to me"

    so uhm

    why i suggested non-permanent treestumps:
    i believe a treestump is overpowered in any setup that, in dying D1/N1 as one, it is expected to live for like... 4+ more phases

    a role like this randing on a strong villager is just kinda insane

    where the same concept of a stumped strong player is scary even if they can only speak for one phase it's not completely unfun to play against

    i've always kinda been interested in setups with stumps but i cant really see myself ever hosting an automated one with a stump in its current form, i did this before in the subforum sonic game i ran because i kinda only added it because i wanted to show the functionality of modbot and it was only a 13p (and then it endgamed so we can pretend it didnt happen)

    why i am doing this to you: i am evil and enjoy causing people pain

    either way i figure i report the bug i found while testing it earlier

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    I'm going to apologize for this one in advance but I hope you'll all humor me for a little while. This is a champs level game after all and I can't help but try and post in a way to properly honor the occasion. Who knows when I'll be back in this situation again.

    I don't think it's a secret for most of you that my track record in reading Hally has been rather … well … awful thus far in our games. I did have one specific game where I recognized Hally was a villager and confidently (and happily!) let the world know. They flipped wolf. After our Syndicate game together and then Anni (both of which saw me find Hally's eod wolfy and press there) I wanted to make a concentrated effort to finally read that slot correctly.

    I spent some time today combing through recent-ish games this year of Hally's. The wolf game on the Org website, the Vig game over on the Syndicate one, and all sorts of mashes/smaller games through MU as well. Rocks fall, Anni, Homestuck, CoV, etc. You get the picture. All in all there were 16 different games I pulled isos from. I then went and ran through the isos extracting all the day one posts from the first half of the day, labeled them as W or V, and ran them through a bit of a homemade database that would do a few different things for me. One of the things was to make a word cloud which would count the number of times each word was used in these isos and make the word larger the more frequently it was used. For example:





    Anyways, I separated the wolf isos from the villa isos and then removed things like articles (a, the, in, an, etc) as well as player names as those aren't really super relevant to our investigation and cross referenced them to see if anything word usage stood out as alignment indicative in the top 10 most common words. While there were small word choices favored it didn't seem super significant. What WAS significant were two other things:

    One: While specific word choices weren't very telling I did notice a definitely trend of elegance in the wolf isos. The words may change but the idea remained the same. In wolf ISOs Hally had a habit of using larger, more elegant words whereas in the villa ISOs Hally just talked more casually. I'll call these Posts Exceedingly Elegant as we continue.

    Two: Villager isos were much more full of observational posts rather than inquisitive ones. The wolf iso was full of open ended questions requesting elaboration. Not just directly to a specific player but also towards the thread at large asking if it saw what Hally was seeing. Meanwhile the villager iso was full of more pointed statement. It was telling the thread what Hally was seeing and making sure everyone understood. The village iso had a higher frequency – by a significant margin – of Posts Of Observation.


    Again, I really want to get this right so I didn't stop there. Science isn't science until you write it down after all. I went ahead and charted the percentage of posts as a villager and as a wolf for both posts containing an elegant word and posts making observations. It's a bit crude but here's the quick jot down I made to visualize it:





    So I wanted to see how this one was shaping up. Remember, these were all taken from the first half of day one isos which we've made it past here. I went ahead and ran through Hally's iso from this game, plotted the elegance and observational percentages on the chart, and ran the following equation to try and determine the exact percentage chance Hally has at being a wolf:

    (Posts Exceedingly Elegant as a wolf)(Posts Exceedingly Elegant here) + (Posts of Observation as a villager)(Posts of Observation here) = the mathematical chance of Hally being a villager here (do 1-this for wolf obv).

    Which looks something like this:


    (Posts Exceedingly Elegant as a wolf)(Posts Exceedingly Elegant here) + (Posts of Observation as a villager)(Posts of Observation here)

    Or written differently

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    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#6)
    i cant tell if this is a legitimate question as to what i want from the suggestion or a "how could you do this to me"

    so uhm

    why i suggested non-permanent treestumps:
    i believe a treestump is overpowered in any setup that, in dying D1/N1 as one, it is expected to live for like... 4+ more phases

    a role like this randing on a strong villager is just kinda insane

    where the same concept of a stumped strong player is scary even if they can only speak for one phase it's not completely unfun to play against

    i've always kinda been interested in setups with stumps but i cant really see myself ever hosting an automated one with a stump in its current form, i did this before in the subforum sonic game i ran because i kinda only added it because i wanted to show the functionality of modbot and it was only a 13p (and then it endgamed so we can pretend it didnt happen)

    why i am doing this to you: i am evil and enjoy causing people pain

    either way i figure i report the bug i found while testing it earlier
    Do you want them to die and then stay dead after a certain time, or are they getting stumped and then coming back to life?

    I'm not clear on the full mechanic you are going for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#4807)
    i'm about to make makaze's pronouns was/were

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#8)
    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#6)
    i cant tell if this is a legitimate question as to what i want from the suggestion or a "how could you do this to me"

    so uhm

    why i suggested non-permanent treestumps:
    i believe a treestump is overpowered in any setup that, in dying D1/N1 as one, it is expected to live for like... 4+ more phases

    a role like this randing on a strong villager is just kinda insane

    where the same concept of a stumped strong player is scary even if they can only speak for one phase it's not completely unfun to play against

    i've always kinda been interested in setups with stumps but i cant really see myself ever hosting an automated one with a stump in its current form, i did this before in the subforum sonic game i ran because i kinda only added it because i wanted to show the functionality of modbot and it was only a 13p (and then it endgamed so we can pretend it didnt happen)

    why i am doing this to you: i am evil and enjoy causing people pain

    either way i figure i report the bug i found while testing it earlier
    Do you want them to die and then stay dead after a certain time, or are they getting stumped and then coming back to life?

    I'm not clear on the full mechanic you are going for.
    oh

    i didnt account for "not being clear enough" lmao, sorry

    the former answer

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    What kind of conditions?
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    [12:09 pm] Cory Curren: remember that we are marking down all of your reads to hold for our personal amusement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#4807)
    i'm about to make makaze's pronouns was/were

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    the immediate one that comes to mind is just "stumped for X cycles, and then dies for real"

    there might be other applications for them but i can't really think of any unless a host wanted like an even/odd cycle stump but that sounds weird lol

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    kazte is clearly a paid shill under the employ of the evil Disney Corporation


    $%#! Disney and their anti-stumping propoganda
    Last edited by Apoc; September 12th, 2021 at 07:44 AM.

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    Done.
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    [12:09 pm] Cory Curren: remember that we are marking down all of your reads to hold for our personal amusement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#4807)
    i'm about to make makaze's pronouns was/were

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    This probably still needs tested extensively to make sure GY access is granted at the correct time/not immediately for all types of death.
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    [12:09 pm] Cory Curren: remember that we are marking down all of your reads to hold for our personal amusement
    [12:09 pm] Cory Curren: anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#4807)
    i'm about to make makaze's pronouns was/were

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    Oh man, now I load my game in the modbot index and all the roles have treestump on them lol.

    Am I gonna have to re-do them all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#15)
    Oh man, now I load my game in the modbot index and all the roles have treestump on them lol.

    Am I gonna have to re-do them all?
    Should be fixed now.
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    [12:09 pm] Cory Curren: remember that we are marking down all of your reads to hold for our personal amusement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#4807)
    i'm about to make makaze's pronouns was/were

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