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    Euro-friendly September Ultra-light Game

    Euro-friendly September Ultra-light Game

    Note: this is an extremely low volume game, for people who don't want to spend a lot of time on a mafia game for whatever reason. If a limit of 30 posts a day or a per-post character limit sounds like a nightmare to you, you are not the intended audience for this game! Please only sign up for this game if you are sure that a postcap of 30 over 72 hours is not going to make you miserable. For recent examples of what you can expect, look in the light games subforum.

    About character limits: There will be a hard limit of 30 posts per day, with a character limit of 2000 characters per post, in order to keep the volume a bit more predictable.
    • There will be an icon that shows up in the post editor (you will need to use either Standard Editor or WYSIWYG) that you can click to enable the character counter. When enabled, a character counter will show up in the bottom right corner of the editor. This counter will not update automatically; you'll need to click the Character Count button or the character counter itself to update the count.
    • The character counter will only show up once you've actually clicked into the post editor, and this only happens in game threads. If you want to try it out, you can try clicking in the editor in this test game, for example.
    • BBCode tags and the contents of img, video, url, and quote tags will not count towards the character limit.
    • If you have a lot of content you want to post at once, you're still absolutely welcome to do so; you'll just have to split it into multiple posts and it'll take up more of your post quota.


    Setup: Vig + Bg vs Poisoner

    1x 1-shot Town Vigilante
    1x Town Bodyguard
    8x Vanilla Town


    1x 1-shot Mafia Poisoner
    1x Mafia Poisoner Backup
    1x Mafia Goon

    Hosted by: @Dawoodle
    Start Date: Monday, September 20th
    SOD/EOD: 7 pm UTC (3 pm EDT, 12 pm PDT)
    Phase Lengths: 72h/24h
    Out of Thread Communication: Mafia only
    Posting Requirement: Minimum of 5 posts per day phase, hard maximum of 30 posts per day phase which will not be lifted at any point in the phase. Hard limit of 2000 characters per post.

    • Majority will be disabled for this game (unless a lot of people want it on), except when votes are locked.
    • Votes are automatically locked in when the Town must eliminate correctly.
    • Sleep is enabled. Vote for Sleep to forgo an elimination that Day.
    • Tied votes will result in a player being lynched at random from among the tied players.
    • Starting night 2, I will give you the option to shorten the subsequent day phase by 24 hours. The vote must be unanimous for a change to be implemented. In order to keep this as an option, no complaints about the length of the day or lack of a hammer will be allowed.



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    Euro-Friendly September Ultra-light Game: Game Information!

    This is an automated game of Mafia.


    Setup - 13 Players

    x1 Mafia Goon
    x1 Mafia Poisoner | 1-Shot
    x1 Backup Mafia Poisoner
    x1 Town Bodyguard
    x8 Vanilla Town
    x1 Town Vigilante | 1-Shot

    Example Role PMs
    • POST RESTRICTION: You may only post 30 times per Day phase. This restriction will be lifted 0 hours before phase end.
    • POST RESTRICTION: Each player is limited to 2000 characters per post.
    • Majority is not in effect.
    • Town wins when there are no threats to Town remaining.
    • Mafia factions win when they achieve Parity and there are no other evil factions remaining at any time.
    • Votes can be made by proxy using the form below the thread. Normal voting is still allowed. The modbot will announce the vote and who submitted it in their stead. This feature can be used to facilitate voting while Muted, such as during Duels or other mechanics that do not allow posting.
    • Votes are automatically locked in when the Town must eliminate correctly.
    • Sleep is enabled. Vote for Sleep to forgo an elimination that Day.
    • Mafia factional kills are mandatory. Mafia must submit a factional kill each night, or a player outside their faction will be chosen at random.
    • Mafia factional kills are assigned. They can be tracked, watched, or roleblocked.
    • Mafia share a factional Night Kill, which is a single standard shot for their faction.
    • Mafia may communicate at any time.
    • Tied votes will result in a player being eliminated at random from among the tied players.

    Phase Lengths

    Days are 72 hours in length. Nights are 24 hours in length.

    Players

    @c4e5g3d5
    @Ciderhead
    @DoctorZeus
    @GGhana
    @junefox
    @Lag
    @Phraze
    @Schweppes
    @Scipio1
    @Sherlock Holmes
    @The Penguin
    @Twice Shrunk
    @Variance

    FAQ

    Are you unsure about how actions are processed or how roles interact with each other? Then read more here:

    ORDER OF OPERATIONS

    Night actions are processed in this order:

    Strongman kills
    Roleblocks
    Jails
    Doctors
    Bodyguards
    Kills
    Investigations
    Backups

    When an action was submitted during the night will never matter when the actions are processed.

    ACTION FEEDBACK

    These are the results you will get when you submit certain actions.

    Non-investigative roles when they submit an action (they also receive this if they are roleblocked):

    Your action on Player A was received.
    Investigative actions return results even if the target dies on the same night.

    Actions that count as visits are counted as visits even if the actor dies on the same night.

    Investigative roles (Tracker, Cop, etc.) when roleblocked:

    Your action on Player B failed.
    Trackers when tracking a person that didn't visit anyone (or if they targeted a Ninja):

    Player C did not visit anyone.
    Watchers when watching a person that wasn't visited by anyone (or only visited by a Ninja):

    Player D was not visited by anyone.
    Alignment Cop when investigating a town-aligned player (or a Godfather):

    Player E is Town
    Watcher when watching a person that was visited by multiple people:

    Player F was visited by Player G, Player H, Player I
    FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

    How do I submit my action?
    Use the form below the game thread. If your role has a night action, the form will only be visible during night phases. It's not possible to submit actions in advance of the night phase.

    What does it mean if the Mafia Host says that night kills are assigned?
    In games with this setting turned on, the member of the mafia team that made the most recent night kill submission will be the one assigned to the kill, which means that the kill can be blocked if a Town Roleblocker or Town Jailkeeper target the mafia player in question. Similarly, the kill can be tracked and watched by Town Trackers and Town Watchers. If this setting isn't turned on, then it doesn't matter who the last person to submit the mafia kill is, as the kill is unblockable and untrackable in this case.

    Where do I find example role PM's?
    This thread contains example role PM's for all roles currently supported by the Modbot as well as information on the various modifiers. Here you will find the answers to a lot of questions not covered in this FAQ section.

    Which roles can self-target?
    Only Watchers are able to use their ability on themselves at night. This means that Doctors or Jailkeepers aren't able to protect themselves, for example.

    Which roles are not able to target the same players on consecutive nights?
    Doctors, Jailkeepers, and Roleblockers are not allowed to target the same player twice in a row. Everyone else is, including Bodyguards. Note that this non-consecutive restriction still holds true even if one of these three roles were blocked the night before when targeting the person that they're attempting to target again.

    What happens if Jailkeeper A and Jailkeeper B or Roleblocker A and Roleblocker B target each other (and are not targetted by other blockers)?
    In the case of Jailkeepers, they will block and protect each other. In the case of Roleblockers, they also block each other. This means that the two players are trackable to each other that night by Trackers and Watchers. It also means that if one of them is mafia and happens to simultaneously be the one submitting the factional kill that night in a game with assigned kills, then this kill is blocked. This same principle applies to longer loops. I.e. in a A > B > C > D > A loop, everyone is blocked.

    What happens if Jailkeeper A targets Roleblocker B who targets Jailkeeper A?
    Jailkeeper A will be blocked in this scenario. Refer to the order of operations: Roleblocks process before jails.

    What happens if Jailkeeper A targets Roleblocker B who targets Player C?
    As stated above, roleblocks process before jails, so Roleblocker B will successfully block Player C. I.e. Jailkeeper A will fail to block Roleblocker B, but will still protect Roleblocker B.

    What happens if Jailkeeper A targets Jailkeeper B and Jailkeeper B targets Jailkeeper C (who isn't targeting any of the former two)?
    In this case, Jailkeeper A would prevent Jailkeeper B's block from occuring, meaning that Jailkeeper C's action is not blocked.

    If an X-Shot role is blocked while using a shot, do they lose that shot forever?
    Yes. A 1-shot Vigilante being blocked while attempting to kill someone will not have their shot refunded.

    If someone with a Strongman modifier kills Player A who is protected by Bodyguard B, who dies?
    Player A will die, and Bodyguard B will survive.

    Can a mafia team choose not to kill anyone during a night?
    The host can determine this using the Mafia Factional Kill setting. Kills can be mandatory, optional, or disabled altogether.

    The default is No. The mafia factional kill is compulsory. This is done in order to avoid deadlocked games where the town keeps no eliminating and the mafia refuses to submit a kill. If the game has assigned kills, it will be randomized which member of the team is carrying out the kill.

    If there is only one mafia member left in a game without assigned kills, can the mafia factional kill then be blocked and/or tracked?
    No.

    Can the mafia submit a kill for one of their own members?
    No.

    If I kill someone, does their night action, if they have one, still succeed?
    Yes, killing someone doesn't prevent them from performing their night action (unless they investigated someone, in which case they will not receive a report). Refer to the order of operations: All kills happen at the end of the night, and everyone pulls the trigger simultaneously.

    Can individual night actions be proxied on mafia teams?
    No. If the mafia team has a Mafia Roleblocker, for example, and they want to use this role's action, then the player occupying that slot must submit the action themselves.

    If a Lover is shot during the night, while the other Lover is protected that night, does the other Lover still die?
    Yes. It's not possible to prevent a Lover from dying of love sickness.

    If a Bodyguard protects Lover A, while Lover B is shot during that same night, what happens?
    A dies of love sickness and Bodyguard lives.

    If there are any Innocent Childs in the game, are these confirmed in the thread right when the game begins?
    No. Innocent Childs are able to decide themselves when or if they wish to have the Modbot confirm their role and alignment in the thread. Note that this is exclusively a day action and that it can take up to one minute for the Modbot to process the action.

    What results are Alignment Cops, Full Cops and Role Cops given if they investigate a Godfather or a Miller?
    Alignment Cops are told "Town" for Godfathers and "Mafia" for Millers. Full Cops are told "Vanilla Town" for Godfathers and "Mafia Goon" for Millers. Role Cops are told "Godfather" for Godfathers and "Miller" for Millers.

    Can Role Cops tell the difference between a Vanilla Town and Mafia Goon?
    No. They are told "Vanilla" when investigating either of these two roles.

    If I roleblock someone with a Bulletproof Vest, will that nullify the effect of the vest?
    No. Bulletproof Vests are passive modifiers that cannot be blocked from working.

    If I roleblock Masons, Neighbors or Lovers with out of thread communication privileges, can I prevent them from talking at night?
    No.

    If I roleblock a Godfather, will they still be revealed as being town-aligned to Alignment Cops and Full Cops that night?
    Yes.

    Are you wondering about how to vote, submit night actions or multi-isolate players? Read about this and more here:

    HOW TO VOTE

    Our forum votes for someone by using the vote tags: [V]Thingyman[/V]. Preview:

    ##Vote Thingyman

    Make sure that you spell out the full, correct name. Abbreviations or misspelled names will not be registered by the Modbot.

    To unvote, use the tags: [UNV][/UNV] . When unvoting you do not need to enter the name of the person that you are unvoting. Preview:

    ##Unvote

    HOW TO VOTE BY PROXY / ANONYMOUSLY


    Select your vote choice and click submit using the form at the bottom of the thread.

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    VOTING BUTTONS


    You can also quickly vote for someone by clicking on the box with a checkmark icon, which will bring up an alphabetized dropdown containing the names of living players:



    This will insert [V][/V] tags with the name of the player you selected in the dropdown, perfect every time.

    Click the empty checkbox button to insert [UNV][/UNV].
    HOW TO SUBMIT NIGHT ACTIONS

    If you have a night action, simply submit this at night by scrolling to the bottom of the game thread. Here you will find a night action form like this:



    Click the dropdown and select the player whom you wish to use your night action on. You can change it as many times as you wish before the deadline expires.
    HOW TO REQUEST A VOTECOUNT

    Votecounts will appear automatically at various intervals, but you can also call up votecounts yourself by following these steps:

    First, you need to apply to join "Mafia Game Hosts" under Permission Groups.

    Second, once your request has been approved, you will be able to call up votecounts by simply pushing the "Post Votecount" button in the top right corner of any game thread that you'd like an updated votecount for.

    OTHER SPECIAL FEATURES

    VIEWING VOTE HISTORY

    There are three ways to access the vote history for any game.

    1. Click on the "Vote History" button in the top right corner of the game thread:

    2. Click on the "View Vote History" link, which accompanies all votecounts:

    3. Click on Modbot in the top forum menu. This will give you a list of ongoing and completed games:



      Next, simply click on "Vote History" to view all votes for that game.

    Following any of the above three steps will bring you to an overview like this one:



    Click on a Voter's username to view all of the votes by their slot.

    Click on a Target's username to view all of the votes for their slot.

    ISOLATING A PLAYER'S POSTS

    If you wish to read a player's posts in isolation, simply click on "ISO" in the top right corner of one of that player's posts in the relevant thread as illustrated here:



    Alternatively, you can access a player's posts in isolation by clicking on the number next to "Replies:" in the forum lobby.



    Doing so will pull up a window listing the post counts for everyone who has posted in that thread. You access someone's posts in isolation by simply clicking on the number next to "Posts:" for that person.



    The ISO view itself has Quote and Multi-Quote buttons inside it, which will make it very easy to quickly quote a lot of a player's posts for analysis or commentary:


    MULTI-ISOLATING

    If you wish to read not just one player's posts, but you want to ISO multiple players, then click the "Multi ISO" button to the left of "Game Tools" and select the players in question as shown here:


    MULTI-QUOTING WHILE THREAD IS LOCKED

    Note that you can multi-quote posts from even locked game threads. This is useful for when you wish to reread the game and do work during night phases.

    After quoting the relevant posts, you simply open a different, opened thread and press "Go Advanced". Then add the quotes to your post by clicking the prompt below the post area as shown here:



    Now, of course you can't post your work in the game thread while the thread is locked, but you can copy paste and save your work to a local file or the cloud and have it ready to post the very next day phase (if you're still alive, that is).

    BOOKMARKS

    Whenever you open a game thread, you are able to bookmark posts. This is for many players an important tool for keeping track of and remembering vital pieces of information, reads, claims etc.

    Also, note that these bookmarks are saved to your user account, meaning that it eliminates the trouble associated with keeping notes between different computers/devices.

    If you want to bookmark a post, you simply scroll to the post that you want to bookmark and press "Set Bookmark" as shown here:



    This will call up 5 different colored icons (Blue, Red, Yellow, Green, and Black) on the right side of the post in question. You can click any of these icons, which will then prompt you to include a note for the post.

    If you don't want to include a note, you don't have to - just leave it blank. The color coding in itself can be a valuable tool. Maybe you want to use Red bookmarks for posts that you find suspicious, Green bookmarks for posts that you find townie, Black bookmarks for posts containing claims, or whatever system you can think of that will be helpful to you.



    Once this is done, you have now successfully bookmarked a post with a certain color and maybe even a note. If you wish to remove the bookmark again, click on "Unset Bookmark".

    How do I access bookmarks?

    There are two ways to access your bookmarks.
    1. Inside a game thread, you can access the bookmarks for that specific game by simply right clicking on the "Bookmark" button and opening the link.

      This will bring you to a separate page that is automatically filtered to only show bookmarks from the game thread that you accessed the page from.
    2. You can also access your bookmarks by going to Features in the site's top menu:



      This will bring you to a page where no bookmarks are shown by default. However, you have several filtering options.

      You can filter by Game, by Player and by Color - and all of them at once if you so wish.

      Here's an example of filtering by only red bookmarks in one specific game:



    If you want to be taken directly to one of your bookmarked posts, you just click the post number.

    How do I quote bookmarks?

    You can also multi-quote bookmarked posts by clicking the little "+" button seen above on the far right side of each bookmark.

    Once you have multi-quoted all the bookmarked posts that you want to quote, you will then have to go to the game thread in which you wish to quote the bookmarked posts.

    Here you have two ways of quoting the posts.

    1. Click on "Reply With Quote" on another post as shown here:



      You will then probably want to delete the last post quoted in the reply box, but otherwise you should be good to go.
    2. Or you can do the more smooth option and click the "Reply To Thread" button at the top and bottom of the game thread - as shown here:



      By doing this you will open up a reply box containing only your multi-quoted bookmarked posts.

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    ...fa la la la la

    la la la la

    ~end~

    that is all

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    Hopefully my last waste of a post.

    ##Vote c4e5g3d5

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    i randed town

    again



    also hi

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    Good morning everyone,

    Let's see, who can we hang today and get some info from?

    Let's go with ##Vote GGhana for the hell of it.

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    Hello again to everyone I've played with before (variance, twice Shrunk and c4 I think?)

    Good to meet everyone else. I've not played this set up before but looking forward to it. I imagine it will be quite slow. I'm a villager for those interested

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    Greetings, one and all! It's been a good while since I've last towned in a long game, so I'll be in your care.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#13)
    Hello again to everyone I've played with before (variance, twice Shrunk and c4 I think?)

    Good to meet everyone else. I've not played this set up before but looking forward to it. I imagine it will be quite slow. I'm a villager for those interested
    How good are you in reading those particular players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes (#14)
    Greetings, one and all! It's been a good while since I've last towned in a long game, so I'll be in your care.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#13)
    Hello again to everyone I've played with before (variance, twice Shrunk and c4 I think?)

    Good to meet everyone else. I've not played this set up before but looking forward to it. I imagine it will be quite slow. I'm a villager for those interested
    How good are you in reading those particular players?
    I reckon no better than average. I think they've always been town when I've played with them, and, I think play style will be very very different in this set up.

    Do you know many people?

    Does anyone, and, are there any alts about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#15)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes (#14)
    Greetings, one and all! It's been a good while since I've last towned in a long game, so I'll be in your care.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#13)
    Hello again to everyone I've played with before (variance, twice Shrunk and c4 I think?)

    Good to meet everyone else. I've not played this set up before but looking forward to it. I imagine it will be quite slow. I'm a villager for those interested
    How good are you in reading those particular players?
    I reckon no better than average. I think they've always been town when I've played with them, and, I think play style will be very very different in this set up.

    Do you know many people?

    Does anyone, and, are there any alts about?
    I might be familiar with some, but not enough to trust any read based on familiarity, as the last time we've played dates far back.
    However, I did play with Ciderhead and Scipio1 in recent games. I'd say I have a slight understanding of Cider's town game, but recall next to nothing about Scipio.

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    How do you feel meta will impact your reads on players, and how do you think you'll be applying meta this game given the unfamiliarity with the playerlists?

    (This is directed a certain people, but everyone answering if they want is nice too).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#17)
    How do you feel meta will impact your reads on players, and how do you think you'll be applying meta this game given the unfamiliarity with the playerlists?

    (This is directed a certain people, but everyone answering if they want is nice too).
    Most likely not too much.

    How serious was your vote on Penguin?

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    Their post pinged me, so not really but kinda.

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    To be a bit more specific, their post pinged me for sounding a bit forced, like, the casualness, but I'm not really feeling it anymore.

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    Scipio's question + vote towny, leaving an easy door for Twice to talk himself out open, wolf version of the same question probably looks a little shadier
    Unless theater but that's some weird $%#! theater

    Everyone else snore

    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#17)
    How do you feel meta will impact your reads on players, and how do you think you'll be applying meta this game given the unfamiliarity with the playerlists?

    (This is directed a certain people, but everyone answering if they want is nice too).
    I assume I'm one such certain person

    I don't have a clue what you're asking

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    And why does it have to be a theater if we're w/w?

    Why couldn't it just be me and Scipio being buddies and interacting like normal people?

    Unless I got my understanding of theater totally screwed up (I think it's when scum plan some sort of interaction), in which case why is it a weird theater?

    If you don't understand the other question you don't have to answer it, I'm not really interested that much in people's answers besides Sherlock.

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    Twice stop using definitions
    (Unironically would drastically improve your play but that's true of most AoPSers)

    If you're partners then I think it's a weird distancing angle, and if you're not I think it's a weird execution of wolfy shade
    I don't know how you want me to help you here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#17)
    How do you feel meta will impact your reads on players, and how do you think you'll be applying meta this game given the unfamiliarity with the playerlists?

    (This is directed a certain people, but everyone answering if they want is nice too).
    May impact my read on Cider, whom I'm reasonably familiar with. Other than for that slot, I won't apply meta at all.

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    ##Vote Sleep
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    Obligatory POE Post
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    10-3

    Vig/Poisoner is essentially another cycle of kills, so they don't impact POE size.

    4 MLs till loss, POE of 6 wins.

    Expected.

    Bodyguard is nothing but a named townie, which does come in handy whilst claiming.

    Thinking we just don't have any of them claim at all until day before (M/L)YLO.
    ---
    A few more things:

    @Schweppes, multitabling is no excuse for flaking, you signed up to play, not flake.
    @Sherlock Holmes, what was the point of the question in P#14?

    And a PSA that I won't explain my reads unless I feel like it so save your breath.

    That seems to be all.

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    And why is this?

    I think I have an idea but I'd like to hear you say it.

    I'm burning through posts a bit too quick tbh so I'll ration them a bit more.

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    Posting style + criticism of you

    Also think twice is mildly wolfy rn but I feel like I always think that at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#27)
    And a PSA that I won't explain my reads unless I feel like it so save your breath.
    Alright cutting you off here real quick

    @Twice Shrunk, you don't exactly display results worthy of this behavior, but even if you did, it's unacceptable in this format in particular and I'm ready to policy you for it if you do it. There's already very little to go off of. We need to read you.

    I'd much prefer voting you for dropping your question towards me completely despite receiving barely any useful information from my answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#31)
    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#27)
    And a PSA that I won't explain my reads unless I feel like it so save your breath.
    Alright cutting you off here real quick

    @Twice Shrunk, you don't exactly display results worthy of this behavior, but even if you did, it's unacceptable in this format in particular and I'm ready to policy you for it if you do it. There's already very little to go off of. We need to read you.

    I'd much prefer voting you for dropping your question towards me completely despite receiving barely any useful information from my answer.
    this post sucks $%#!

    ##Vote c4e5g3d5

    twice is v

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    Ι δον'τ φλακε.
    Ι ξθστ φοργοτ γαμε σταρτεδ ανδ ιτσ α λιγητ γαμε ανδ νο ονε ηονεστλυ ψαρεσ.

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    LOL

    I meant to say:

    I don't flake.
    I just forgot game started ad its a light game and no one honestly cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGhana (#32)
    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#31)
    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#27)
    And a PSA that I won't explain my reads unless I feel like it so save your breath.
    Alright cutting you off here real quick

    @Twice Shrunk, you don't exactly display results worthy of this behavior, but even if you did, it's unacceptable in this format in particular and I'm ready to policy you for it if you do it. There's already very little to go off of. We need to read you.

    I'd much prefer voting you for dropping your question towards me completely despite receiving barely any useful information from my answer.
    this post sucks $%#!

    ##Vote c4e5g3d5

    twice is v
    I think the probability that c4 actually thinks twice is wolfy rn is 0.02.

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    Twice is wolfsiding for trying to derail the game by taking control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag
    ##Vote Schweppes
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    Using up one sixth of your posts on such little game advancing content seems like a play by someone that wants to hit the post cap ASAP in order to avoid having to play during the difficult part of day 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#31)
    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#27)
    And a PSA that I won't explain my reads unless I feel like it so save your breath.
    Alright cutting you off here real quick

    @Twice Shrunk, you don't exactly display results worthy of this behavior, but even if you did, it's unacceptable in this format in particular and I'm ready to policy you for it if you do it. There's already very little to go off of. We need to read you.

    I'd much prefer voting you for dropping your question towards me completely despite receiving barely any useful information from my answer.
    Too bad for you.

    fwiw it's an ultra light so you'll probably see this a lot less since I'll have more time to look at each post and really develop my reads, but if I don't feel like it, too bad.

    @GGhana, why do you think c4's post was wolfy? It seems to be that it has something to do with the fact you think I'm town and stuff, but I still don't exactly get the rationale behind your vote. fwiw I think c4's post was perfectly normal.

    On using my postcap, I'm a high poster and ultra-lights will be a nice exercise in exercising restraint, but I still find it hard not to post everything I want to say in one post, especially because I'm very spontaneous.

    I'm also not scared of posting as wolf, so trying to use up my post cap doesn't really work as an argument, neither does the fact if I was wolf I'd prefer to be able to have some sort of control over the thread (this happens regardless of alignment) so using all my posts before the hour before EoD is a big nono and something I'd really hate if it happened.

    I'm not really a fan of P#36, the take is kinda just... bad. I'm posting much less than I usually do (obviously) and most of my posts here have been trying to facilitate discussion, and while I am posting the most, I don't really see how Schweppes arrived at the conclusion I was trying to control the thread through my posting this game. It feels like a very low-effort shade, which while I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see it coming from v!Schweppes, doesn't really feel like a thought which was meant to do something besides... exist.

    @Schweppes, I'd like to know how my posts today led to you thinking I'm trying to take control of the game. While I do like taking control of the game, I'd like to know how my posts this game led you there, and why exactly you thought it was something that should be shared.

    On that note, ##Vote Schweppes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#39)
    @Schweppes, I'd like to know how my posts today led to you thinking I'm trying to take control of the game. While I do like taking control of the game, I'd like to know how my posts this game led you there, and why exactly you thought it was something that should be shared.
    I think you answered your own question. You know what the post means; I'm not necessarily happy with it and nor will I uncritically follow along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk
    ##Vote Schweppes
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    Schweppes prob town

    Twice is capable of towny nitpicking as wolf but don't think this looks like it, more getting snagged on something than trying to find one detail to use as a token
    Plus it was caused by an insult to his play and not an actual game-relevant action or anything so that's always a plus

    Welcome to the AoPS trust tell circlejerk

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    ...maybe I'm missing something but... P#36 is clearly a reference to my play this game.

    Like, he's talking in the present tense in this thread.

    Obviously, he's talking about my play this game.

    Ok, so apparently I misunderstood, but ok, my problem is not that Schweppes thinks I wolfside by not explaining my reads bc that's been said multiple times in the past few months and I don't really care.

    I'm not sure what's wrong with what I said, while it's not really that concerning, I still struggle to understand what led Schweppes to think that, and his response was very... uninformative.

    He says I answered my question, but the only "answer" I see doesn't explain anything about this game in particular.

    @c4e5g3d5 am curious why you townread Schweppes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#44)
    @c4e5g3d5 am curious why you townread Schweppes
    p#35 is Schweppes trying to show whose is bigger again by predicting my thoughts

    There are enough signs pointing to me actually faking that read on you for pressure that make me think it wasn't a random guess
    Most notably the fact that me threatening to policy you when I'm sick of your $%#! isn't a new thing and it looked a lot like this last time

    Putting actual effort into pointless $%#! like this for the sake of invented competition is one of his biggest towntells, shows he thinks he's good and not just right

    I mean he guessed wrong, I did think you were wolfy, but it's the thought that counts

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    Yo yo yo

    Been a while

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#13)
    Hello again to everyone I've played with before (variance, twice Shrunk and c4 I think?)

    Good to meet everyone else. I've not played this set up before but looking forward to it. I imagine it will be quite slow. I'm a villager for those interested
    ##Vote DoctorZeus

    My role PM says it's my job to eliminate all villagers

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes (#16)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#15)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes (#14)
    Greetings, one and all! It's been a good while since I've last towned in a long game, so I'll be in your care.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#13)
    Hello again to everyone I've played with before (variance, twice Shrunk and c4 I think?)

    Good to meet everyone else. I've not played this set up before but looking forward to it. I imagine it will be quite slow. I'm a villager for those interested
    How good are you in reading those particular players?
    I reckon no better than average. I think they've always been town when I've played with them, and, I think play style will be very very different in this set up.

    Do you know many people?

    Does anyone, and, are there any alts about?
    I might be familiar with some, but not enough to trust any read based on familiarity, as the last time we've played dates far back.
    However, I did play with Ciderhead and Scipio1 in recent games. I'd say I have a slight understanding of Cider's town game, but recall next to nothing about Scipio.
    Do you have a link to the game we've played? I vaguely recall the name but can't remember the specific game

    GTH snapshot reads that are probably best ignored:

    Zeus/Sherlock not w/w

    Lag I don't agree with the read but think it might come from a villagery place

    Twice v. Schweppes maybe as well. C4 too actually, though with a descending degree of confidence

    Scipio not quite seeing what C4 is there, but nothing wrong

    Variance gut town read their entrance but nothing strong

    That's about it so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGhana (#32)
    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#31)
    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#27)
    And a PSA that I won't explain my reads unless I feel like it so save your breath.
    Alright cutting you off here real quick

    @Twice Shrunk, you don't exactly display results worthy of this behavior, but even if you did, it's unacceptable in this format in particular and I'm ready to policy you for it if you do it. There's already very little to go off of. We need to read you.

    I'd much prefer voting you for dropping your question towards me completely despite receiving barely any useful information from my answer.
    this post sucks $%#!

    ##Vote c4e5g3d5

    twice is v


    Why does it suck, is it due to you having a different read on twice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#46)
    Yo yo yo

    Been a while

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#13)
    Hello again to everyone I've played with before (variance, twice Shrunk and c4 I think?)

    Good to meet everyone else. I've not played this set up before but looking forward to it. I imagine it will be quite slow. I'm a villager for those interested
    ##Vote DoctorZeus

    My role PM says it's my job to eliminate all villagers

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes (#16)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#15)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes (#14)
    Greetings, one and all! It's been a good while since I've last towned in a long game, so I'll be in your care.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#13)
    Hello again to everyone I've played with before (variance, twice Shrunk and c4 I think?)

    Good to meet everyone else. I've not played this set up before but looking forward to it. I imagine it will be quite slow. I'm a villager for those interested
    How good are you in reading those particular players?
    I reckon no better than average. I think they've always been town when I've played with them, and, I think play style will be very very different in this set up.

    Do you know many people?

    Does anyone, and, are there any alts about?
    I might be familiar with some, but not enough to trust any read based on familiarity, as the last time we've played dates far back.
    However, I did play with Ciderhead and Scipio1 in recent games. I'd say I have a slight understanding of Cider's town game, but recall next to nothing about Scipio.
    Do you have a link to the game we've played? I vaguely recall the name but can't remember the specific game

    GTH snapshot reads that are probably best ignored:

    Zeus/Sherlock not w/w

    Lag I don't agree with the read but think it might come from a villagery place

    Twice v. Schweppes maybe as well. C4 too actually, though with a descending degree of confidence

    Scipio not quite seeing what C4 is there, but nothing wrong

    Variance gut town read their entrance but nothing strong

    That's about it so far


    You claim here that Zeus/Sherlock are not both scum, but what do you think of one of them being scum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Penguin (#47)
    Quote Originally Posted by GGhana (#32)
    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#31)
    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#27)
    And a PSA that I won't explain my reads unless I feel like it so save your breath.
    Alright cutting you off here real quick

    @Twice Shrunk, you don't exactly display results worthy of this behavior, but even if you did, it's unacceptable in this format in particular and I'm ready to policy you for it if you do it. There's already very little to go off of. We need to read you.

    I'd much prefer voting you for dropping your question towards me completely despite receiving barely any useful information from my answer.
    this post sucks $%#!

    ##Vote c4e5g3d5

    twice is v


    Why does it suck, is it due to you having a different read on twice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#46)
    Yo yo yo

    Been a while

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#13)
    Hello again to everyone I've played with before (variance, twice Shrunk and c4 I think?)

    Good to meet everyone else. I've not played this set up before but looking forward to it. I imagine it will be quite slow. I'm a villager for those interested
    ##Vote DoctorZeus

    My role PM says it's my job to eliminate all villagers

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes (#16)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#15)
    I reckon no better than average. I think they've always been town when I've played with them, and, I think play style will be very very different in this set up.

    Do you know many people?

    Does anyone, and, are there any alts about?
    I might be familiar with some, but not enough to trust any read based on familiarity, as the last time we've played dates far back.
    However, I did play with Ciderhead and Scipio1 in recent games. I'd say I have a slight understanding of Cider's town game, but recall next to nothing about Scipio.
    Do you have a link to the game we've played? I vaguely recall the name but can't remember the specific game

    GTH snapshot reads that are probably best ignored:

    Zeus/Sherlock not w/w

    Lag I don't agree with the read but think it might come from a villagery place

    Twice v. Schweppes maybe as well. C4 too actually, though with a descending degree of confidence

    Scipio not quite seeing what C4 is there, but nothing wrong

    Variance gut town read their entrance but nothing strong

    That's about it so far


    You claim here that Zeus/Sherlock are not both scum, but what do you think of one of them being scum?
    Either of them could be individually, but I find it unlikely two partners come into the thread and only interact with one another. Wolves tend to wanna ingratiate themselves with the village

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#27)
    @Sherlock Holmes, what was the point of the question in P#14?
    To satisfy my curiosity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Schweppes (#40)
    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#39)
    @Schweppes, I'd like to know how my posts today led to you thinking I'm trying to take control of the game. While I do like taking control of the game, I'd like to know how my posts this game led you there, and why exactly you thought it was something that should be shared.
    I think you answered your own question. You know what the post means; I'm not necessarily happy with it and nor will I uncritically follow along.
    Would I be correct in saying your conclusion comes from P#27? It doesn't seem as much as taking control as opposed to stating their stances, given nothing within the post states how one should go about playing the game. Or is it perhaps from a different post?

    I'm of the same opinion as c4e5g3d5 in regards to the last statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#43)
    Schweppes prob town

    Twice is capable of towny nitpicking as wolf but don't think this looks like it, more getting snagged on something than trying to find one detail to use as a token
    Plus it was caused by an insult to his play and not an actual game-relevant action or anything so that's always a plus

    Welcome to the AoPS trust tell circlejerk
    I'd not consider the last point a plus, given how easy it would be to argue about content unrelated to the game for a wolf as well. It doesn't directly attack them, so one might find such content easy to be genuine about, and easy to generate content for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#46)
    Yo yo yo

    Been a while

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#13)
    Hello again to everyone I've played with before (variance, twice Shrunk and c4 I think?)

    Good to meet everyone else. I've not played this set up before but looking forward to it. I imagine it will be quite slow. I'm a villager for those interested
    ##Vote DoctorZeus

    My role PM says it's my job to eliminate all villagers

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes (#16)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#15)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes (#14)
    Greetings, one and all! It's been a good while since I've last towned in a long game, so I'll be in your care.



    How good are you in reading those particular players?
    I reckon no better than average. I think they've always been town when I've played with them, and, I think play style will be very very different in this set up.

    Do you know many people?

    Does anyone, and, are there any alts about?
    I might be familiar with some, but not enough to trust any read based on familiarity, as the last time we've played dates far back.
    However, I did play with Ciderhead and Scipio1 in recent games. I'd say I have a slight understanding of Cider's town game, but recall next to nothing about Scipio.
    Do you have a link to the game we've played? I vaguely recall the name but can't remember the specific game

    GTH snapshot reads that are probably best ignored:

    Zeus/Sherlock not w/w

    Lag I don't agree with the read but think it might come from a villagery place

    Twice v. Schweppes maybe as well. C4 too actually, though with a descending degree of confidence

    Scipio not quite seeing what C4 is there, but nothing wrong

    Variance gut town read their entrance but nothing strong

    That's about it so far
    I'm afraid I don't remember the exact game as well, but what you mention to be GTH snapshot reads were most of your reads in that game. Perhaps it was a turbo, but I digress.

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#43)
    Schweppes prob town

    Twice is capable of towny nitpicking as wolf but don't think this looks like it, more getting snagged on something than trying to find one detail to use as a token
    Plus it was caused by an insult to his play and not an actual game-relevant action or anything so that's always a plus

    Welcome to the AoPS trust tell circlejerk
    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#44)
    ...maybe I'm missing something but... P#36 is clearly a reference to my play this game.

    Like, he's talking in the present tense in this thread.

    Obviously, he's talking about my play this game.

    Ok, so apparently I misunderstood, but ok, my problem is not that Schweppes thinks I wolfside by not explaining my reads bc that's been said multiple times in the past few months and I don't really care.

    I'm not sure what's wrong with what I said, while it's not really that concerning, I still struggle to understand what led Schweppes to think that, and his response was very... uninformative.

    He says I answered my question, but the only "answer" I see doesn't explain anything about this game in particular.

    @c4e5g3d5 am curious why you townread Schweppes
    @c4e5g3d5
    This response from Twice Shrunk has me a bit confused, as I notice I'm missing what is the reason outside of the game from Twice that you say warranted a plus?

    P#48 While there's ample time for such theatrics to happen generally, I find this reasoning towny.

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