How I’d expect wolves to treat Vandy: Kinda depends if Vandy is RBer or not, assuming now I would expect them to kind of go with thread temperature - which would mean switching/shifting into a bus when the thread temperature after vanity/Wisdom cleared themselves but townreading him early. If he’s RB i would expect more protection, but going to assume the former is the scenario.
Hornet:
P
#1308 is really side-eyeing Vandy. P
#1315 votes him. P
#1316 emotional about it, feels like Vandy is ignoring his solving to nitpick and misrepresent him. P
#1322 getting generally very frustrated over that, probes me P
#1326 on what I think about Vandy misrepping him. P
#1352 Vandy is his main confident scumspect. P
#2278 expresses some concerns on stagnant wagon. P
#2487 thinks Vandy is a wolf but EOD is making him nervous.
Conclusion: Hornet pushed on Vandy from early after I pretty intense emotional exchange and still tried to engage with him and expressed doubt EOD in a way that showed a clear lack of TMI. Hornet is extremely unlikely to be partnered/to have bussed Vandy.
HF:
P
#390 first vote on Vandy. P
#496 explains Vandy read and how he finds Vandy different from quals. I give HF points for really shifting the momentum against Vandy. P
#1151 wants Thunal to rethink her Vandy townread. P
#1209 presents him with some really probing questions that look like he’s trying to engage/solve him. P
#1229 moved Vandy above TSF and Wiml. P
#1348 still dislikes Vandy’s this is outing comment however. P
#1362 starts to go into some Vandy meta. P
#1641 still trying to engage with Vandy. P
#1820 still probing Vandy. P
#2231 still finding Vandy’s reads wolfy.
Conclusion: HF started the push against Vandy and still represented a very consistent desire to engage with Vandy, read was not stagnant at all, HF is very unlikely to have bussed Vandy.
TSF:
P
#63 is almost positive Vandy is town. P
#79 reiterates it, says he’s unlikely to change his Vandy read today. Continues to defend Vandy as the momentum shifts against him slightly, P
#561. P
#1058 is going to dive into Vandy’s SF game, and wants people to sheep his read on Vandy based on what he comes out with. P
#1116 ends up saying he still thinks Vandy is town but is not as certain as he thought after reading Vandy’s semis game. (I think this in general is a very villagery approach to Vandy and looks like he’s actually trying to solve Vandy’s alignment). P
#1139 still thinks Vandy’s town, isn’t going to change his mind. But P
#1436 does call something about the way Vandy talks as slightly wolfy. P
#1457 still has Vandy high in his reads however. P
#1733 still strongly townreading Vandy. P
#2587 “Vandy please be a villager.”
Conclusion: TSF’s treatment of Vandy is decent. He pretty consistently has him as town, but seems to at least minorly re-val Vandy at some point. I think as a wolf he doesn’t really have a need to defend Vandy the way he did, but I wouldn’t completely outrule that he takes the approach to show internal consistently. Slightly unlikely to be paired with Vandy.
Soneji:
P
#696 outs a slight townlean on tone on Vandy, says certain posts are a good look for Vandy. P
#859 hedges slightly on the Vandy read, but still calls it towny. P
#1649 finds Thunal’s treatment of Vandy partnered in general, would move Thunal to a strong wolf read if Vandy flips wolf. P
#1695 says the Vandy wagon is fine but votes elsewhere.
Conclusion: There’s nothing distinctly unpairing Vandy/Soneji, and even could argue if Thunal’s V, Soneji kind of sets up after realizing Vandy is dying that day.
Katze:
P
#323 kind of aggressive with Vandy in immediate interaction. P
#327 ends up outing a V read on Vandy. P
#584, continues to say Vandy looks better than SF2. P
#1061 has Vandy in list of village-leans. P
#1084 hedges slightly on Vandy read but explains why she still likes him. P
#1263 Katze expresses confusion on Vandy agreeing with Hornet’s take with JC. P
#1378 Katze’s read on Vandy shifts pretty dramatically (there is some slight buildup i suppose but i would tinfoil this as being a potential ‘w/w where katze changed her read on Vandy once thread temperature shifted against him’). I do kinda stand by the sort of aggressive way katze’s treating Vandy as unpartnered outside of that and it’s why I’d marked it that way on my chart. P
#1720 sticks up for Vandy wagon when it’s tied with TSF which I’d give slight town points to.
P
#2469 feels like Thunal could be a wolf TMIing Vandy/Hornet V/V - this is pretty good from katze as it distinctly lacks agenda.
Conclusion: I would slightly tinfoil here as my original theory about how wolves would treat Vandy could apply to katze in the way she shifts her Vandy read when momentum turns against Vandy, but I think as a whole her treatment of Vandy is slightly unpartnered.
Gorf:
P
#410 Gorf is null on Vandy right away and thinks the bucket stance is NAI. Consistently has Vandy low on reads’ list. P
#545 similar take to me on Vandy not being villagery for bucket stance. P
#1160 questions Vandy on why people townreading him over something NAI didn’t bother him earlier. P
#1562 calls out some wolf saltyness from Vandy. P
#1788 repeats a comment is a bad look for Vandy. P
#2496 really thinks Vandy is a hit.
Conclusion - I think Gorf is probably on the higher likelihood of being a buss candidate. He seems to not really waver on his Vandy read and doesn’t have many direct interactions with Vandy, but pushes it without expressing doubt even as others’ wavered EOD. I give him some points for having a similar early view to me on the bucket thing from Vandy not being towny, but there’s nothing really stopping this from being a buss.
Wiml:
P
#40 “Vandy you’ve pocketed me again.” Awkward could be W/W. P
#69 reiterates village read. P
#260 compares Vandy to SF2 (as a townread). Continuing to want to look for something clearing for Vandy to towncase him. P
#371 calls a post hard town for Vandy. P
#388 repeats how towny Vandy has been. P
#617 says Vandy doesn’t have a wolf motivation for pushing bucket but also mentions that he’s overwhelmed by Vandy’s other posting indicating the point in which his read trends down a bit. P
#618 still townreads Vandy though due to his entrance - slight tinfoil of this being planned? P
#622 still towncasing Vandy. P
#876 takes Vandy out of top villagers but says he tentatively may be there. P
#1644 trying to engage with Vandy, ‘doesn’t quite want to give up on finding him if he’s a villager.’ P
#1724 wanting to flip this over TSF despite Wiml’s earlier read on Vandy is slight town points if TSF is V. P
#1745 dislikes Vandy’s lack of response to his attempt to engage, follows up on the question. P
#2116 still trying to engage with Vandy. P
#2118 really wants Vandy to give him something to work with.
Conclusion - Initial thought is that Wiml towncasing Vandy (especially after SF2) is very partnery behavior, however, I think the way Wiml’s read on Vandy progressed throughout the day in addition to the way Wiml was trying to engage with Vandy at EOD is less partnered. I think in all he’s unlikely to be with Vandy.
Boq:
If P
#40 isn’t w/w, P
#50 could potentially be Boq setting up on Wiml (don’t think this is ever W/W/W with Vandy/Boq/Wiml though)
P
#573 Boq townreads Vandy for shading him. P
#703 reiterates it. P
#1534 doesn’t think Vandy’s questioning of hornet is bad. P
#1672 nothing strikingly scummy in Vandy ISO. P
#1804 votes Vandy as he’s more likely to be able to solve TSF the next day.
Conclusion - Nothing really stopping Boq from being W/W with Vandy. His treatment of Vandy is fine but nothing particularly clearing.
Thunal:
P
#223 has Vandy slightly below null, considering it a “wait and see” read. In P
#250 ends up feeling better about Vandy and TRing him. P
#340 discussing how she approaches her Vandy notes with me and how he is as town/mafia early. P
#817, still has Vandy at top of reads’ list. P
#1107 still has Vandy as strongly town. P
#1150 is still fairly confident Vandy is town. P
#1184 mentions that she’s reading Vandy’s SF2 and agrees with TSF that it’s not the slamdunk she thought it was. P
#1370 waffles on the Vandy V read, isn’t as comfortable with him but also feels like he’s an easy answer. P
#1572 ends up shifting and voting Vandy. P
#1394 wants Vandy over Pilica, P
#1986 thinks it’s possible Vandy is a wolf for not posting.
P
#2053 is uhhh, kind of weird. Want to see how it manifests but I kinda feel like Thunal could be setting up to shade me when I was living in an exact world of Vandy W so feel like I’m obviously not partnered with him, plus in general it just looks like she’s setting up to say a lot of people look worse if Vandy is a wolf which feels like a potentially wolfy POE opening.
Conclusion - In general I find Thunal’s treatment of Vandy iffy. She shifts momentum against Vandy right when thread state is moving against Vandy, and seems to set up a world where a lot of people look worse if Vandy flips wolf at EOD in a way that can be read as expanding the POE.
Pilica:
P
#2132 feels like Vandy is just the designated elimination, continues to state threadstate feels like SF3 where they chopped a villager EOD.
P
#2355 ISOs Vandy, comes out with a wolfread and ends up supporting the wagon.
Conclusion - Very very very minor not W/W points for Pilica’s treatment of Vandy EOD. I think the progression of “threadstate feels like SF3” to joining the Vandy wolf read feels natural/lacking agenda, but not enough to call it particularly clearing.
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