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    also you're scum and I must destroy you

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    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#3750)
    sell neo town because if youre town and you're right we have a locked poe in rask/tess/me

    my only issues with what youve said is "looking townier" feels like an understatement for the primary pusher of tp all game long (and first on tp d1) and "TP was never on your radar" is kind of off: he's been on my radar but i've just been on the wrong side of history
    Fair, my croggers thesis was him as a powerwolf / carrywolf though, so a bus wouldn't be surprising in that universe. I don't think he's maf anymore, I doubt I'd lim him over anyone but neo.

    Neo as wolf has been putting in a lot of effort to fake looking at the game from a lot of different angles that are somewhat creative, like the table of happy's post frequency, and a few others. I have a hard time seeing this as coming from someone who already has all the answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1850)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#1847)
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1844)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#1843)
    getting villagers sussed
    Who are the villagers I wasn't helping to get sussed?
    all of them
    interesting..... (doodles pictures of evil bunnies on notepad)
    only a wolf would doodle evil bunnies on a notepad (wolves and bunnies are natural enemies)

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    You just put the image in my mind of a huge swarm of bunnies overwhelming and taking down a wolf like ants vs. a praying mantis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#3752)
    like the table of happy's post frequency, and a few others. I have a hard time seeing this as coming from someone who already has all the answers.
    what others

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    this was difficult on mobile


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    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#3756)
    this was difficult on mobile

    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by tessepia (#3755)
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#3752)
    like the table of happy's post frequency, and a few others. I have a hard time seeing this as coming from someone who already has all the answers.
    what others
    I'll try to look for the posts if I have time. I'm basing this off a memory of a memory

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    I'm tempted to clear Tess for not majjing object tbh

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    that said, let's maj object

    ##Vote object

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    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#480)
    Town lean on Gordeau

    "I didn't know you were that black/white. Sure, I can take your word for it. There seems to be some people here who can back up/disagree with this post if you're overselling it."

    wolves would usually be reluctant to be the first person to grant a townie their self-meta
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1031)
    illario's "if I were scum I wouldn't let you catch me on volume" argument is pinging me
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1414)
    What does everyone think about a spicy zintle blitz?

    ##Vote Zintle

    Failing this I'll probably hop onto the pretender wagon
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1858)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1856)
    i actually didnt find pretenders posts on the last few pages wolfy at all tbh, but the way gordeau treated the slot is raising my eyebrows
    I wish pretender would post more
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#2067)
    Radishes asking for homework then declining homework is scummy
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#2068)
    Croggers is giving me deepwolf vibes, but it might just be the hungry crocodile avi.
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#2240)
    The more croggers posts I skim the more I become convinced they are mafia
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#2254)
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#2340)
    ThePretender is the easy lim. You know what that means. I need to defend them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#2381)
    I tried to push on Rask and zintle d1. Not my fault no one wanted to get my picks


    idk it's not overtly scummy but the townreads form off single bits of logic and never update

    there was a happy ping that never got followed up on in the slightest

    and it seems like the radishes/croggers scumreads were just kinda default scumreads that had to show up due to existing townreads

    i saw no effort to evaluate my alignment through any visible reasoning up until pizza cat decided my trolly case was lockscum too

    and the rask and zintle pushes were never substantiated at all ever

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    also softly pushing off gord (calling newcombs observation nai) and softly pushing off of pret (calling pret path of least resistance)

    that's supposed to be wolfy right idk

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    q: why wouldnt w!object vote radishes at eod2 despite calling radishes scummy midday and seemingly not wanting pret
    a: well he'd kinda locked himself into me being lockscum, and also might be more self conscious to be the saving vote on his partner [in opposition to neo who did the blatant save because lack of tmi]

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    calling croggers a powerwolf without directly referencing the push on pret for the interval in which object seemed to think croggers was a powerwolf seems like a chainsaw that's a bit self conscious too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy (#3686)
    Iirc raski was defending mr towards eod on d2 which indirectly would direct the elim towards tp which is kinda bad for raski as wolf, but the main problem with him is that he himself coulda just saved mr if he wanted to be swapping to tp himself so yeah maybe the vote for him doesn’t look as good as I thought.
    well I was reading TP town too, and I haven't had ironclad reads this game either

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    Sup, I am reading an will post thoughts afterward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3688)
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2145)
    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#2053)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2050)
    just as an actual counterpoint the actual work in that spoiler of pretenders reads towny and genuine to me on first glance
    i don’t really see it

    half the stuff is “i don’t have an opinion on this”
    which is townie in itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2774)
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePretender (#2771)
    I don't like zintle, in comparison to other wagons I'm against it.
    villager ^^
    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3689)
    maybe i should just ignore people defending pret for ??? reasons

    obviously some of you have to be villagers doing it


    I tryed to interact with him to get past the surface level reads but he just dodge it. Guess I should have read into that instead of clearing him. good gif though

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    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3717)
    Quote Originally Posted by Happy (#3715)
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePretender (#2627)
    Rask how do you read my slot
    he asks this out of the blue and its like the first time they ever interact
    rask has some weird interactions with both wolves yeah
    Nice shade lol. He saw I was popping in and prolly went for an ez fakable solving. As for Gordeau I can't remember. I think he was online when I first checked in D1 and asked him for reads. What are you calling weird?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy (#3718)
    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3713)
    my instinct is that the last wolf would try to take pret as far as they could while not defending too hard as the game goes on knowing he’s not going to last then switch to busing either D2 or D3 to try to cash in some cred to carry to F3

    from that PoV neo or tess makes sense i guess?

    i don’t really know if rask makes sense because i’m not sure what he would think his endgame path is in hard v reading pret and never trying to get any cred

    like, does wolf rask think he can win now? i dunno
    Well unless the wolf is u or bunny (which I doubt) it doesn’t really feel like they’re trying too hard rn
    lmao. yeah you got the correct read here. I am just coasting as town because the game is going well and I have no time IRL and most of it is above my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3723)
    Quote Originally Posted by Happy (#3721)
    Mannnnn if the team really is gordeua tp raski it’s gonna be such egg on my face that the game I wanted to protect the low posters super hard is the game where they all end up mafia
    yea i think you came into the game not wanting to lunch lhf town and ended up confbiasing all the lhf as villagers and thinking there had to be a deep wolf before the game actually developed enough to the point where it would be appropriate to start deep wolf hunting

    until games are shown to be hard it’s best to assume they’re not (within reason obviously)
    (because obviously if there is a deep wolf, you fit nicely)

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    so you’re wolf reading me?

  22. ISO #3772
    maybe it’s just object and he’s been level one open wolfing the entire game

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    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3746)
    i’m not sure reading him off meta will be super helpful because he’s clearly not had much time to play regardless of alignment
    I just finished a game on the giraffe boards yesterday where I've been wolfing since 6 weeks lol. My only wolf rand this year if u wanna look. Volfoni there)

    https://www.giraffeboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33

    But yeah, this is valid. And I am still moving house on tuesday.

  24. ISO #3774
    what i said about object’s EoD1 and how he didn’t really do anything to advance his wincon if he’s a wolf with gord is sorta invalidated by pret also being a wolf because with w/w wagons you can’t save both of them

    but does wolf object really not bus either of them? i feel like if both your teammates are getting run up D1 you pretty much have to bus one? but he never did that

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    Retrospective Day 1 Votecount as of Post #1439

    Post #1439 was originally posted at 7:57 PM EDT on Saturday, October 16th, 2021.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    3 Gordeau zintle (89), BlueKang (103), Newcomb (79)
    2 ThePretender staypositivefriend (173), croggers (161)
    2 Raskolnikov Happy (108), Object (41)
    2 Newcomb Master Radishes (35), iaafr (192)
    1 staypositivefriend Gordeau (80)
    1 Happy neopest (128)
    1 Object tessepia (169)
    2 Not voting Raskolnikov (7), ThePretender (55)

    View Vote History

    Requested by croggers.

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    well he tried to get a cfd onto rask which was… sort of viable? i think spf was floating a rask cfd as an option

  27. ISO #3777
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1414)
    What does everyone think about a spicy zintle blitz?

    ##Vote Zintle

    Failing this I'll probably hop onto the pretender wagon
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1430)
    Hm. Yea alright I'm not opposed to Rask either
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1439)
    ##Vote Raskolnikov
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1435)
    Quote Originally Posted by Newcomb (#1428)
    yeah alright swap

    @staypositivefriend
    @croggers

    ##Vote Gordeau

    leggo
    nogo
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1417)
    Happy is a protagonist and we shouldn't vote him
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1423)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1416)
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1414)
    What does everyone think about a spicy zintle blitz?

    ##Vote Zintle

    Failing this I'll probably hop onto the pretender wagon
    nah if we're gonna blitz anyone then it should be rask
    I can rr him if more people vote but honestly I don't see why zintle is tr'd
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1443)
    Trying to steer this away from Happy/gord

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    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3771)
    so you’re wolf reading me?
    I don't know. I still haven't narrowed my iaafr/tess/object/you POE. tess look like the obvious solve from pushes and votes but I haven't read you enough to clear u (with TP flip, I kinda wanna stop lol clear smh). Prolly the least probable from how D1/D3 played though yeah.

    I just know I am a must ML today for the wolf re my postion in the thread (so obviously I am paying attention to people pushing me)

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    correct order

    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1414)
    What does everyone think about a spicy zintle blitz?

    ##Vote Zintle

    Failing this I'll probably hop onto the pretender wagon
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1417)
    Happy is a protagonist and we shouldn't vote him
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1423)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1416)
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1414)
    What does everyone think about a spicy zintle blitz?

    ##Vote Zintle

    Failing this I'll probably hop onto the pretender wagon
    nah if we're gonna blitz anyone then it should be rask
    I can rr him if more people vote but honestly I don't see why zintle is tr'd
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1430)
    Hm. Yea alright I'm not opposed to Rask either
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1435)
    Quote Originally Posted by Newcomb (#1428)
    yeah alright swap

    @staypositivefriend
    @croggers

    ##Vote Gordeau

    leggo
    nogo
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1439)
    ##Vote Raskolnikov
    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1443)
    Trying to steer this away from Happy/gord

  30. ISO #3780
    maybe that’s like level 1 wolf object fishing for any wagon that’s viable besides his teammates and simultaneously trying to hard pocket illario who was hard wolf siding D1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3778)
    I just know I am a must ML today for the wolf re my postion in the thread (so obviously I am paying attention to people pushing me)
    ive seen this line from wolves tho

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    but its a fine line as villa

    rask what do you think of the object casing on this page

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    Quote Originally Posted by Object (#1414)
    What does everyone think about a spicy zintle blitz?

    ##Vote Zintle

    Failing this I'll probably hop onto the pretender wagon
    i could confbias this as wolf object trying to start a cfd on a villager while leaving the door open to bus

    it would be better to bus pret D1 i think because pret wasn’t there to self pres to gord but gord was able to self pres to pret so atp pret probably dies and the bussing wolf wants to be on that wagon?

    but then he never ended up voting pret or gord and switched to rask which probably was never happening

    i don’t know

  34. ISO #3784
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3778)
    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3771)
    so you’re wolf reading me?
    I don't know. I still haven't narrowed my iaafr/tess/object/you POE. tess look like the obvious solve from pushes and votes but I haven't read you enough to clear u (with TP flip, I kinda wanna stop lol clear smh). Prolly the least probable from how D1/D3 played though yeah.

    I just know I am a must ML today for the wolf re my postion in the thread (so obviously I am paying attention to people pushing me)
    iaafr and croggers are pretty certainly town imo. Less on iaafr but still

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    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#3782)
    but its a fine line as villa

    rask what do you think of the object casing on this page
    maybe. I agree with Croggers that it would be lvl1 but I was absent and 2 wolves were being domed so dunno.
    Object's posting is giving me pause tbh. He has been mostly openwolfing (and fake claiming). Not sure how bold he is as wolf but lol. It's hard to believe still.

  36. ISO #3786
    Quote Originally Posted by tessepia (#1382)
    pretender is fine to go over cause then people will listen to me more tomorrow
    kinda think esooa just doesn’t say this as a wolf

    and just in general i think she would position better as a wolf and not take some of the lines she’s taken this game

    but i’d really hate to lose to wolf her again so i’m scared to clear her

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    Quote Originally Posted by tessepia (#3784)
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3778)
    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3771)
    so you’re wolf reading me?
    I don't know. I still haven't narrowed my iaafr/tess/object/you POE. tess look like the obvious solve from pushes and votes but I haven't read you enough to clear u (with TP flip, I kinda wanna stop lol clear smh). Prolly the least probable from how D1/D3 played though yeah.

    I just know I am a must ML today for the wolf re my postion in the thread (so obviously I am paying attention to people pushing me)
    iaafr and croggers are pretty certainly town imo. Less on iaafr but still
    ##Vote tessepia

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    I kinda think it's one of tess/iaafr.

  39. ISO #3789
    rask is just v right?

  40. ISO #3790
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3788)
    I kinda think it's one of tess/iaafr.
    why?

  41. ISO #3791
    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3786)
    Quote Originally Posted by tessepia (#1382)
    pretender is fine to go over cause then people will listen to me more tomorrow
    kinda think esooa just doesn’t say this as a wolf

    and just in general i think she would position better as a wolf and not take some of the lines she’s taken this game

    but i’d really hate to lose to wolf her again so i’m scared to clear her
    well you will but not this game. I'm town

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    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3790)
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3788)
    I kinda think it's one of tess/iaafr.
    why?
    Because I am talking myself out of object again. And you are least probable.

  43. ISO #3793
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3792)
    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3790)
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3788)
    I kinda think it's one of tess/iaafr.
    why?
    Because I am talking myself out of object again. And you are least probable.
    what does this even mean

  44. ISO #3794
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3792)
    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3790)
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3788)
    I kinda think it's one of tess/iaafr.
    why?
    Because I am talking myself out of object again. And you are least probable.
    walk me through your thought process re: object in as much detail as you can please

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    I think I just did? I don't think his play makes much sense as a wolf

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    Quote Originally Posted by tessepia (#3793)
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3792)
    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3790)
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3788)
    I kinda think it's one of tess/iaafr.
    why?
    Because I am talking myself out of object again. And you are least probable.
    what does this even mean
    I am about to hope off but what do you need me to clarify?

  47. ISO #3797
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3795)
    I think I just did? I don't think his play makes much sense as a wolf
    but why? i’m not following

    is it just the claim thing?

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    and his general tone, fluff, content. Do you have meta about him? Does he like to openwolf? Am I clearing him for bad reasons a second time lol

  49. ISO #3799
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3798)
    and his general tone, fluff, content. Do you have meta about him? Does he like to openwolf? Am I clearing him for bad reasons a second time lol
    i don’t know, i’ve never seen him wolf

  50. ISO #3800
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3796)
    Quote Originally Posted by tessepia (#3793)
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3792)
    Quote Originally Posted by croggers (#3790)
    why?
    Because I am talking myself out of object again. And you are least probable.
    what does this even mean
    I am about to hope off but what do you need me to clarify?
    how are you possibly saying object is more towny than croggers

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