I could be wrong just going off of feels
I think 2019 was the last time I played with any regularity and believe I batted 1.000 at randing villager that whole calendar year
also, i’ve heard amrock talk up riki’s game a ton and based on that + riki wolf reading him consistently i don’t know who else looks at riki’s D1 and says “we need him out of the game” even if they PR read him
no knock on riki because i’m sure he’s a great player and he made a great shot but based on his impact D1 i don’t think i would ever consider killing him even if i PR read him
what is ladd's endgame as a wolf with the way he's gone on apogee this game? light v read --> start to turn on him a bit when vanity/lissa wagons were pretty easy --> gets back to apogee lock v today, which probably makes life harder for him
it makes more sense to me as a genuine progression, it has all seemed pretty reasonable and on the level too.
i still would've been the second top wagon, which is a decently likely vig
if you still think that i was an unlikely vig if i was the only notable counterwagon on the eod vc, then sure i guess
i guess it could be w/w but like ... why?
I just fail to find any real issue I have with ladd's play other than "maybe his d1 wolfread was incorrect" which is a ridiculous metric even for someone like ladd.
i dunno, he's an excellent wolf and all, but I've tried to steer away from going down the rabbit hole of paranoia on strong players who are making completely fine posts that don't trouble me. This isn't ironclad or anything but I don't find any compelling reason to think he isn't town.
After the 18er sk game (lol), I'm not sure he would take the tactic of calling me an obvious villager and saying he has zero paranoia about me if he was a wolf either
Might be done for the night
I thought I’d be seeing more psycho posts but not yet I guess
Waiting for some lime content too
@ me if you got anything next 4 hours
i can’t tell if amrock is a wolf who is scared to push panther (seems unlikely given how much he pushed ladd) or they’re wolves together, but i feel like their treatment of each other is strange and i don’t really get what panther has done to warrant amrock being so hesitant to push him
i mean, amrock has been willing to go after ladd, spf and zack, all of whom i think have been a lot more villagery than panther
but he won’t even put panther in his PoE?
am i missing something?
the rest of his posts dont really move me that much one way or another
also god i love limestone's avatar lol
when hally makes a post
me and ladd in wolfchat
but i want him to talk more about his read on panther too
i dont trust that panda
^^that's me when i see the panda
i'm probably voting psycho or amrock at this rate. i'll probably do an amrock iso before i go to bed to make sure i'm not really bad at mafia
i am bad at mafia but that's besides the point
i think that my current "one wolf maximum" pool is hally, zack, vanity, and ......probably amrock? i keep going back and forth on whether or not i'm clearing amrock too easily and i'm finding it difficult to balance the issues that i have with the content of some of his posts with his general fluidity/energy being town-indicative and virtually identical to the way i saw him play in the vig 10er game at points. i would put his name there but it's possible i might replace him with apogee
apogee, panther, ladd, psycho, limestone
it's an alright place to start, but getting more clarity/confidence on apogee and amrock in particular would be really helpful for my solve right now
i think the names that i actually feel confident about being town atm are just hally/zack/vanity and the rest are weaving in and out
i also think how amrock has treated lime is a bit weird
he’s voiced a fair amount of suspicion on lime pretty consistently and even dropped a case on lime D1 but it doesn’t feel like anything has ever really come of that or like he’s been seriously interested in pursuing that suspicion
and his reasons for backing off feel pretty flimsy especially given iirc amrock said lime always fools him as a wolf and last time lime wolfed against amrock in flavorless vig 10er amrock was so shook by how brutally lime pocketed him that he nominated lime for an award after the game lol
afaict amrock voiced a fair amount of suspicion on lime at SoD, so why would ladd merely suggesting the possibility lime is a wolf elicit this response from amrock? idgi
i really should read some amrock town games though
also sorry amrock, i imagine it’s incredibly frustrating for me to constantly nitpick your posts without actually hard pushing you
I don't even think they called it wolfy? I know it would probably make you feel better about your read if your townread said it was wolfy but afaict they just asked a question
I don't understand SPF and their read on vanity. If they were so incredibly strong on vanity, why didn't they push more to save them EOD1? That feels like something v!spf would do. I just feel like you are repping this incredibly strong read on vanity but not actually trying to save them from like
Idk who else
Who thinks they are a wolf. Like you aren't refuting any points, any anything, didn't try and save them EoD1 (unless I missed this, then can you point it out)
Why are you so strongly townreading vanity anyway?
I'm not incredibly impressed with psycho's posting thus far
I don't like panther's posting on the last few pages and his engagement level from what I remember of his V game
From the stuff I've talked to people about zack in the last few pages, I'm inclined to at least lean V on him
So I'm kinda just at like
Amrock, Hally, apogee as villagers, zack as a probable villager.
The rest of the people are a blob of people that I like for various reasons and dislike for various reasons. What a mess
also i'm not sure if their read now and their read on eod1 are the same or really comparable. idk i'd need spf to clarify
^see there spf. would like to know if your read on me has evolved from eod1 to now
But at least you have the balls to vote me now like youve clearly been aluding to, instead of leading a CFD on me like you did on day 1
This post is not alignment indicative
I really do feel like everyone who is townreading SPF and Ladd really shouldn't be doing it right now tbh
Even if they are a villager I really think they could be in both metas so far (with maaybe the exception of SPF's posting last night which felt kinda different)
Which means if you are townreading them imo it is mostly luck if you are correct
- Signed, a recipient of someone who was brutalized by both of these players in the past
Spf seems town to me outside of a select few weird reads which I'll take to be more relevant for them if wolf but their behavior is generally villagery.
if it got down to the final 20 minutes of the day and i thought that vanity had a serious chance of going over, i probably would have defended her harder, but it honestly never felt that way to me. maybe we just have different definitions of what "saving" someone looks like
also, i've explained my townread on vanity multiple times at this point....have you just not seen it? (p#1089) i will grant that my read on her has developed quite a bit since then and i haven't really found the right way to put it into words yet. i can try to explain my reasoning more in-depth once i get off work if it's something you care about
I don't understand what the second line is even supposed to mean, I was solidly on katze all day until they claimed vig and the wagon was no longer a thing
in a case where one of my townreads is in danger of dying and i'm not thrilled with any of the existing wagons, i usually go out of my way to create new wagons or navigate people to different options (which is more or less what i did with lissa toward the EOD1)
amrock's understanding of my meta and how i play as town in the last 2 posts is ....not great, regardless of his alignment
also sorry, what other thing are you talking about?
i dont even think this reasoning is an alignment indicative thing for you, but it's a pet peeve of mine and i think it leads to people losing games more often than not
your answer basically confirms to me that it's a bizarre point from amrock to say "spf should've fought against the vanity wagon harder" when to me you seem very much like a calm and collected player that doesn't usually do that, so i'm not sure why amrock is substantiating his argument with "i would've hard defended a strong village read if i was a villager!"
it just doesn't really fit right. i get amrock doesn't have a ton of experience with you, but i feel like i haven't played with you a lot either, and "playstyle differences" seems like a really obvious answer here
honestly it'd probably be stranger if spf did actually hard defend me when i was only periodically a top wagon during that eod
at least, that's the most generous interpretation of amrock's point that i can think of right now lol
and my read on you has developed since d1, in the sense that i feel slightly more confident that youre probably just town, but it's not really something i'd be able to explain without putting a lot of careful thought into it (which i cant do rn cause i'm multi-tasking). that said, i think that a lot of the core reasoning i had to townread you for on d1 is still applicable to my read on you today as well